Hello All,

I, too, think the idea of this student league is great. I have one question
though. Why is this league costing anything? Are there any ground hire fees?
Do cones and scoreboards need to be bought? Surely they can be borrowed? I
understand that Malcom has reduced his profits from this tournament by
offering us a generous discount, and he is putting a lot of time into this,
but J Hunter is offering to do the whole thing for free. I am not the most
astute of businessmen, but when given the option to pay for something, or
get the same thing for free, I naturally go for the free option. Why is this
tournie/league any different? Is Malcolm offering anything in particular
that I don't know about which J couldn't provide?

I know it's only a tenner, and I'm not a destitute student, but I have had
to fight for every penny my club is getting this year (we've been given a
marginally improved, but still piffling, budget), and I have a
responsibility to reduce costs for my team in every way I reasonably can.
I'm sure we don't mind paying a tenner, together, as long as we feel we've
got no choice about, but why pay and play, when you can play for free?

Thanks for reading,

Manny
dD #31


>From: malcolm@...
>To: "Phil Carter" <phil@...>
>CC: seuniultimate@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [seuniultimate] Re: University Winter League
>Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2004 09:18:54 GMT
>
>
>ok
>
>the tournie isnt going to cost £20 anymore.
>
>but i still think the tournement itself is very useful. and should be done
>alongside the clinics and entering winter league. We need to get our open
>teams out playing against each other. it is another way to learn...and test
>things out.
>
>its a shame this has kicked off but i guess it only has done because money
>is an issue.
>
>i spend all my money on ulti and saw £20 per team as not a lot to pay. this
>was what it was last year and a lot cheaper than your average shmindoor
>tournie.
>
>i want to run this tournement and would like to suggest the fee is reduced
>to £10 and that is made free for teams entering for the first time. ie
>Reading, Essex, Kingston.
>
>Cheers Malcolm
>
>
>
>
>Phil Carter writes:
>
> >
> > Having read all the replies to this subject:
> >
> > The £20: it costs us £75 + £50 to send a team to London for the day in a
> > mini bus and the petrol, adding £20 which 'J' should do for free equals
> > £145 out of the club accounts for 1 day of ultimate. It is ultimate that
> > we would want to compete in so would send our best squad so not get the
> > full benefit of our full squad.
> >
> > The SE Team: again £40 on petrol over a weekend to play open winter
> > league, and that is just petrol; the accommodation fees would be
> > greater. I understand that 'Clapham' is the epicentre of Ultimate, but
> > the expense for teams outside the capital is great, however anything is
> > better than Limited Talent for those who are committed enough.
> >
> > I personally would want to send teams to as many events as possible, but
> > we have to look at cost, the detriment to the club practices for the
> > loss of those players and the overall impact on the club growth and
> > maturity to see if these initiatives for those out of London really
> > benefit SE Ultimate.
> >
> > I would prefer to see weekends where we got together and did the drills
> > etc and then played each other in mixed games as the more beneficial.
> >
> > These all need discussion within the community and our committees but
> > they are starting points.
> >
> > Phil C
> > Communications Officer
> > Sublime Ultimate
> > The University of Portsmouth
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: 'J' Hunter [mailto:ickist@...]
> > Sent: 08 September 2004 00:13
> > To: malcolm@...
> > Cc: uniultimate@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [uniultimate] RE: [seuniultimate] University Winter League
> >
> >
> > Hey man,
> >
> > Cheers for getting that sorted [the winter league] - one thing - why the
> >
> > £20? Those pitches are free and if your charging for your effort in
> > organising it, then thats why I'm here and I do it for free! UCL for eg
> > have
> > withdrawn from thier uni, they may be rich still, but I dont see any
> > reason
> > why anyone should have to pay anything. Sorry if I've missed something
> > obvious, please get back to me asap so we can get this sorted out. (I
> > have
> > copied this to Rich Hims for accountability's sake and so you know I'm
> > just
> > not going off on one!) Cheers man! Hope to hear from you soon!
> >
> > 'J'
> >
> >
> > >From: malcolm@...
> > >To: uniultimate@yahoogroups.com
> > >CC: seuniultimate@yahoogroups.com, londonleague@yahoogroups.com
> > >Subject: [seuniultimate] University Winter League
> > >Date: Tue, 07 Sep 2004 12:54:03 GMT
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >the first university winter league of the year will happen on the 13th
> > of
> > >november
> > >
> > >as last year this will be an event for the development of outdoor
> > >university teams and for outdoor university ultimate in general
> > >
> > >it is hosted in the SE, on Clapham Common the venue of the Open London
> > >Winter league but all university teams are welcome. last year OW!
> > joined
> > >some of the south east teams to battle it out on the common.
> > >
> > >the date is set for the 13th, a saturday and will only change if indoor
> > >qualifiers falls on the same weekend. there will be one more University
> > >Winter league before christmas after this one.
> > >
> > >So with the UCL outdoor beginners tournement, then the following two
> > >University Winter leagues we can see that outdoors ultimate is moving
> > on
> > >leaps and bounds as was hoped at the University AGM
> > >
> > >Last year was a development stage for the tournement but this year as
> > >subscription increases and the regular dates are set, points and finals
> > >will be organised. so that we will have a clear winner.
> > >
> > >
> > >if you would like to enter a team please post a cheque for £20 to:
> > >
> > >Malcolm Cannon
> > >130 Latchmere Road
> > >Kingston Upon Thames
> > >Surrey
> > >KT2 5TU
> > >
> > >you are welcome to enter two or three teams from one university.
> > However a
> > >limit of 16 teams will probably be set for the first event. If heavily
> > >subscribed I will work out more pitch space and a useable schedule.
> > >
> > >Expect to play 4 hard games against teams of similar standard to
> > yourself.
> > >
> > >if you have any questions please email me. also email me to let me know
> > >your cheque is in the post
> > >
> > >Malcolm
> > >Brunel Ultimate
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