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I'm sorry, I don't see anything inherently unsafe with the design. Why should the design prove problematic for people like myself who crossover? It seems to me (from my very limited experience) that control of the weapon is a matter of training. Not the type of martial sport/art a person practices.
Jean-Michel d' Aix en Provence

David Whitford wrote:

Rapier pole-arms? Careful with this design-crossover fighters tend to have the bottom out real easy

Robert

(trust me on that one)

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#19240

From: sarah Cutten <kylasjoy@...>
Date: Fri May 30, 2008 11:43 pm
Subject: Fun Rapier Event coming soon!

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Hi All;

I just wanted to let you know that some very important information just came from the "TOP of the TREE"   (I think it was a little BIRDIE who told me).   I hear that this event is going to be a "hoot".

The event is called "Beggar's Muddy Graes" put on by the shire of An Dun Theine and as it looks right now, it will be up in Columbia, Tn at the Cumberland center.    This is a site that has showers so, after a day of fighting, you can do a couple of things......... Play in the water games, and/or shower before the wonderful feast.

As it looks right now, there's going to be a 3 legged 2 team tourney, a "flying fish" tourney, possibly a "version of Red Rover" (if there's enough fighters), and a type of soccer rapier fighting?????     (ok, I'm having trouble figuring this one out...... how do you play soccer while being dressed in armor with a sword/board or a sword and dagger or ?????? Do you have to kill the goalie to get the point????    I know that soccer can be dangerous, but is it requiring armor now???     Are you fighters getting that bored that you want to combine 2-3 different sports?????   What will you come up with next????    How about a Nascar rapier fighting????)
I hear there will be all kinds of "goodies & drinks" for the partaking between bouts.   It will be lots of fun to watch (along with things to do ..........helping the "flying fish" fly) and I know that you fighters will have a Great Time!

I just wanted you to mark it on your calendars and start saving your pennies.

(This is all done in fun, and I hope that I convayed that, but some times my word-smithing needs sharpening.   Please forgive me.

Yours in Service to the Dream,

Sarah Elizabeth
(Commited list mistress to the Rapier community)

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#19239

From: David Whitford <dbw6969@...>
Date: Fri May 30, 2008 9:59 pm
Subject: Re: Sir Morgan

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Rapier pole-arms? Careful with this design-crossover fighters tend to have the bottom out real easy

Robert

(trust me on that one)

--- On Fri, 5/30/08, ecneary37820 <cdjoslin@...> wrote:

From: ecneary37820 <cdjoslin@...>
Subject: [serapier] Sir Morgan
To: serapier@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, May 30, 2008, 3:35 PM

I found the website I mentioned to you at Lusty Month of May.
http://www.caidrapi er.org/html/ polearms. html Hopefully this can help.

Charles

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#19238

From: "ecneary37820" <cdjoslin@...>
Date: Fri May 30, 2008 8:35 pm
Subject: Sir Morgan

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I found the website I mentioned to you at Lusty Month of May.
http://www.caidrapier.org/html/polearms.html Hopefully this can help.

Charles

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#19237

From: cathal@...
Date: Thu May 29, 2008 4:33 pm
Subject: RE: Re: [meridies-heralds] Re: Meridian Order of the Brazen Blade

evilbaron2000

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We ended up with the Sea Dragon. Of course, many of these are nautically themed for Atlantia and you’ll want something that is more Meridian.

Aedan

Hmmm...how about something Meridian with an Atlantian twist...hmmmm...AHA!:

'Order of the Active Marshalate'...;-} That should please Duke Logan...<VEG>

Cathal.


You will be assimilated; obedience is feudal.

#19236

From: "Aedan Aylwyn" <aedan@...>
Date: Thu May 29, 2008 3:45 pm
Subject: RE: Re: [meridies-heralds] Re: Meridian Order of the Brazen Blade

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In the “for what it’s worth” category, we did something similar a few years ago when the Crowns wanted to create an AoA level award for skill at rapier (sound familiar??) What we did was:

- Get a volunteer to coordinate the effort

- Send out a request for names suggestions with a cut off

- Gather the suggestions and weed out any obvious “won’t fly” entries

- Send out an informal polling asking people to rate their top 5 in order and up to 2 “can’t stand it”

- Gather the findings and present a list to a herald and TRM

- Herald then does a quick check to see if any of the names won’t fly heraldically or if they need to be tweaked

- TRM make a choice from the results

Not sure if you’re already heading down this road or something similar. Just throwing out some comments. And if you want some other name suggestions, here’s the list we started with.

- Order of the Azure Rapier

- Order of the Narwhale

- Order of the Harpoon

- Order of the Swordfish

- Order of the Barracuda

- Order of the Sea Dragon (biologically similar to sea horse, imagery could be different)

- Order of the Al La Macchia (italian for "less formal rough-and-tumble duel")

- Order of the Ala Mazza (italian, same as above)

- Order of the Alto y Bajo (spanish - literally "high and low", refers both to lines of

attack and a levels of skill that gets into complex concepts)

- Order of the Delikado (spanish - dangerour or situation that requires great care)

- Order of the Botta Segreta (italian "secret attack")

We ended up with the Sea Dragon. Of course, many of these are nautically themed for Atlantia and you’ll want something that is more Meridian.

Aedan

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From: serapier@yahoogroups.com [mailto:serapier@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of cathal@...
Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2008 11:29 AM
To: serapier@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [serapier] Re: [meridies-heralds] Re: Meridian Order of the Brazen Blade

Nope, crazy you're not. However the Crown has the final say on the proposed naming of the Order and the Laurel Sovereign has the ultimate veto. Certes the membership should be consulted both in the vetting process and final submission; but past action by the Crown in Meridies has been unilateral in matters such as this.

Cathal.

#19235

From: cathal@...
Date: Thu May 29, 2008 3:29 pm
Subject: RE: Re: [meridies-heralds] Re: Meridian Order of the Brazen Blade

evilbaron2000

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Cathal.

-----Original Message-----
From: Ellen Wolf
Sent: May 29, 2008 11:19 AM
To: serapier@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [serapier] Re: [meridies-heralds] Re: Meridian Order of the Brazen Blade

Call me crazy, but isn't this an issue for the Order itself to decide?

Gia

To: serapier@yahoogroups.com
From: scajonassca@...
Date: Tue, 27 May 2008 22:37:49 -0700
Subject: Re: [serapier] Re: [meridies-heralds] Re: Meridian Order of the Brazen Blade

All the online resources agree on "silber".

Jonas

Ted Collins <ted.collins@charter.net> wrote:

Having a somewhat Germanic persona, might I suggest a name reminiscent
of the fencing schools of 16th century Germany, such as the Marxbruder
(Brotherhood of St. Mark) or Federfechter (Free Fencers of the Quill)?
Naming an order after a saint might conflict with Society policy in some
way for all I know, but I'm sure that those of us with an understanding
of German could come up with something. What's "silver" in German?

Runolfr

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#19234

From: Ellen Wolf <RapierDiva@...>
Date: Thu May 29, 2008 3:19 pm
Subject: RE: Re: [meridies-heralds] Re: Meridian Order of the Brazen Blade

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Call me crazy, but isn't this an issue for the Order itself to decide?

Gia

To: serapier@yahoogroups.com
From: scajonassca@...
Date: Tue, 27 May 2008 22:37:49 -0700
Subject: Re: [serapier] Re: [meridies-heralds] Re: Meridian Order of the Brazen Blade

All the online resources agree on "silber".

Jonas

Ted Collins <ted.collins@charter.net> wrote:

Having a somewhat Germanic persona, might I suggest a name reminiscent
of the fencing schools of 16th century Germany, such as the Marxbruder
(Brotherhood of St. Mark) or Federfechter (Free Fencers of the Quill)?
Naming an order after a saint might conflict with Society policy in some
way for all I know, but I'm sure that those of us with an understanding
of German could come up with something. What's "silver" in German?

Runolfr

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#19233

From: "Steve Heydel" <sheydel@...>
Date: Thu May 29, 2008 12:14 pm
Subject: Re: Re: Digest Number 2501

edmundcavendish

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Oops.

Hoisted on my own petard.............

Edmund

----- Original Message -----

From: Corwin Giollapadhreag

To: serapier@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2008 12:26 AM

Subject: [serapier] Re: Digest Number 2501

--- In serapier@yahoogroups.com, "Steve Heydel" <sheydel@...> wrote:
>
> Which would explain the roars of indignation we all hear every time
there is a "Master Chef" meal at an event, huh?
>
> The use of "master" in this case is not a designation of the person,
but of the order.
>
> Edmund

Edmund, don't you mean "Grand Chef"?

Corwin

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#19232

From: "Corwin Giollapadhreag" <ben1neal@...>
Date: Thu May 29, 2008 5:26 am
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2501

thlcorwin

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--- In serapier@yahoogroups.com, "Steve Heydel" <sheydel@...> wrote:
>
> Which would explain the roars of indignation we all hear every time
there is a "Master Chef" meal at an event, huh?
>
> The use of "master" in this case is not a designation of the person,
but of the order.
>
> Edmund

Edmund, don't you mean "Grand Chef"?

Corwin

#19231

From: sarah Cutten <kylasjoy@...>
Date: Thu May 29, 2008 1:12 am
Subject: RE: Digest Number 2501

kylasmama2

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Is it not wonderful when great minds think alike!

SE

To: serapier@yahoogroups.com
From: frenchieprof87@...
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 15:22:44 -0700
Subject: Re: [serapier] Digest Number 2501
It's been with great interest that I've been following this thread. I found it ironic and amusing that the discussion more or less followed along the lines of the Order's discussion over the past several months. Yes, we discussed the possibility of naming it after a language specific school. It didn't seem fair to a Welsh persona to belong to a German named order. We went further. We discussed something along the lines of Master of Defense but none of us wanted to be the MOD squad. When the Brazen Blade came up, there was much discussion about the negative possibility. It was even checked with heralds to be sure it would pass before it was discussed. When all was said and done, however, it was what was decided on by the Order. It maintains the identity that has been established for 3 years now. It matches the MOB badge (the blade is a bronze color). Finally, and probably most importantly, it was the choice that Her Majesty at the time liked the most. Paperwork is being submitted and it will be judged accordingly. If it passes, then so be it. If it doesn't, then we start all over and the Crown and the Order will begin the process all over again.

YIS,

Ysabel

chawkswrth@aol.com wrote:
It is a pity that e-mail must be so devoid of emotion and tone.

My response;

::right eyebrow up:: reality? in the SCA? When? What happened and why didn't I get the memo?

We do agree on something, though. That should shock some folks awake....<G>

Helen

-----Original Message-----
From: cathal@mindspring.com
To: serapier@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, 28 May 2008 3:02 pm
Subject: Re: [serapier] Digest Number 2501
*I* would say stick to our Heraldic Guns. Not all orders or awards are registered with the College of Heralds for the very reason that they are too blamed nit-picky.

And +Corpora+ would reply...yes they do. Viii 2 and 4 cover awards with and without AoAs and GoAs being given with them and in both entries it says they have to be 'ratified' by Laurel.

'Ratified' in this case would entail the name and the insignia being acceptable to the Laurel Sovereign of Arms and, in the furtherance of that, the registerablity of the name of the Order is a part.

No, I don't agree with it; however that's the reality of the situation.

Cathal.
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#19230

From: sarah Cutten <kylasjoy@...>
Date: Wed May 28, 2008 9:41 pm
Subject: RE: Digest Number 2501

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If you had asked me last year if the MOB was the best, I would say Yes in the SOUTH
and East and Midrelm, but I would have to think really long & hard about it being the best againist the
West.

NOW, to present day............. OK, the MOB and the West would be a really hard team to beat,
and I will always have a fondness for the West........ but I'll STICK WITH THE MOB now, and even go a
step farther by saying that the MOB with "La Gran Companiya" as leading the team would be the BEST!
Of course, I do also, appreciate the "sick" sense of humor!

Just my 2 cents,

Sarah Elizabeth
(Rapier list mistress, ex-heavy/light fighter and dedicated member of the GREATEST RAPIER
FIGHTING HOUSEHOLD IN THE KNOWN WORLD....... La Gran Companiya!)

To: serapier@yahoogroups.com
From: chawkswrth@...
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 15:42:06 -0400
Subject: Re: [serapier] Digest Number 2501

"Master" or "Mistress" anything is going to get you shot down so fast, your landing gear won't have time to get off the tarmack....

I _like_ MOB. It is original, telling, and the shtick possibilities are endless. <G> (Part of the reason I like hanging around is your wonderful sick sense of humor! We have FUN!)
The Meridian Order of the Blade says it all. We are Meridian and you guys are the best of the best. I would put our MOBsters up against the East's OGRES or Midrealm's Brass Rings any day, and know our few can outdance and outplay them all.
MOB is Meridian. Period.

*I* would say stick to our Heraldic Guns. Not all orders or awards are registered with the College of Heralds for the very reason that they are too blamed nit-picky.

But, toward the end of making everyone happy, what Kingdom does this Gentle reside in, whose approval you need?

Helen

-----Original Message-----
From: Elizabeth Anderson <anderliz@yahoo.com>
To: serapier@yahoogroups.co <serapier@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wed, 28 May 2008 1:26 pm
Subject: Re: [serapier] Digest Number 2501

Meridian Masters of Defense -

Or does it have to have MOB with additions to make it passable? Like Meridian Order of Bladed Defense? Just throwing out ideas. - Liz

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#19229

From: Jonas Poore <scajonassca@...>
Date: Wed May 28, 2008 5:37 am
Subject: Re: Re: [meridies-heralds] Re: Meridian Order of the Brazen Blade

scajonassca

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All the online resources agree on "silber".

Jonas

Ted Collins <ted.collins@...> wrote:

Having a somewhat Germanic persona, might I suggest a name reminiscent
of the fencing schools of 16th century Germany, such as the Marxbruder
(Brotherhood of St. Mark) or Federfechter (Free Fencers of the Quill)?
Naming an order after a saint might conflict with Society policy in some
way for all I know, but I'm sure that those of us with an understanding
of German could come up with something. What's "silver" in German?

Runolfr

#19228

From: Kristy Jones <frenchieprof87@...>
Date: Wed May 28, 2008 10:22 pm
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2501

frenchieprof87

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It's been with great interest that I've been following this thread. I found it ironic and amusing that the discussion more or less followed along the lines of the Order's discussion over the past several months. Yes, we discussed the possibility of naming it after a language specific school. It didn't seem fair to a Welsh persona to belong to a German named order. We went further. We discussed something along the lines of Master of Defense but none of us wanted to be the MOD squad. When the Brazen Blade came up, there was much discussion about the negative possibility. It was even checked with heralds to be sure it would pass before it was discussed. When all was said and done, however, it was what was decided on by the Order. It maintains the identity that has been established for 3 years now. It matches the MOB badge (the blade is a bronze color). Finally, and probably most importantly, it was the choice that Her Majesty at the time liked the most. Paperwork is being submitted and it will be judged accordingly. If it passes, then so be it. If it doesn't, then we start all over and the Crown and the Order will begin the process all over again.

YIS,

Ysabel

chawkswrth@... wrote:

It is a pity that e-mail must be so devoid of emotion and tone.

My response;

::right eyebrow up:: reality? in the SCA? When? What happened and why didn't I get the memo?

We do agree on something, though. That should shock some folks awake....<G>

Helen

-----Original Message-----
From: cathal@mindspring.com
To: serapier@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, 28 May 2008 3:02 pm
Subject: Re: [serapier] Digest Number 2501
*I* would say stick to our Heraldic Guns. Not all orders or awards are registered with the College of Heralds for the very reason that they are too blamed nit-picky.

And +Corpora+ would reply...yes they do. Viii 2 and 4 cover awards with and without AoAs and GoAs being given with them and in both entries it says they have to be 'ratified' by Laurel.

'Ratified' in this case would entail the name and the insignia being acceptable to the Laurel Sovereign of Arms and, in the furtherance of that, the registerablity of the name of the Order is a part.

No, I don't agree with it; however that's the reality of the situation.

Cathal.
You will be assimilated; obedience is feudal.
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#19227

From: "Steve Heydel" <sheydel@...>
Date: Wed May 28, 2008 8:58 pm
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2501

edmundcavendish

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Which would explain the roars of indignation we all hear every time there is a "Master Chef" meal at an event, huh?

The use of "master" in this case is not a designation of the person, but of the order.

Edmund

----- Original Message -----

From: cathal@...

To: serapier@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2008 2:01 PM

Subject: Re: [serapier] Digest Number 2501
Use of the term 'Master/Mistress' as a part of an award designation is not likely to be accepted by Laurel. 'Master/Mistress' is a reserved title in the SCA precedence system for holders of certain of the Bestowed Peerages.

Cathal.

-----Original Message-----
From: Elizabeth Anderson
Sent: May 28, 2008 2:26 PM
To: "serapier@yahoogroups.co"
Subject: Re: [serapier] Digest Number 2501

Meridian Masters of Defense -

Or does it have to have MOB with additions to make it passable? Like Meridian Order of Bladed Defense? Just throwing out ideas. - Liz

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#19226

From: chawkswrth@...
Date: Wed May 28, 2008 8:15 pm
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2501

cladyroz

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It is a pity that e-mail must be so devoid of emotion and tone.

My response;

::right eyebrow up:: reality? in the SCA? When? What happened and why didn't I get the memo?

We do agree on something, though. That should shock some folks awake....<G>

Helen

-----Original Message-----
From: cathal@...
To: serapier@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, 28 May 2008 3:02 pm
Subject: Re: [serapier] Digest Number 2501

*I* would say stick to our Heraldic Guns. Not all orders or awards are registered with the College of Heralds for the very reason that they are too blamed nit-picky.

And +Corpora+ would reply...yes they do. Viii 2 and 4 cover awards with and without AoAs and GoAs being given with them and in both entries it says they have to be 'ratified' by Laurel.

'Ratified' in this case would entail the name and the insignia being acceptable to the Laurel Sovereign of Arms and, in the furtherance of that, the registerablity of the name of the Order is a part.

No, I don't agree with it; however that's the reality of the situation.

Cathal.

You will be assimilated; obedience is feudal.

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#19225

From: cathal@...
Date: Wed May 28, 2008 8:02 pm
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2501

evilbaron2000

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*I* would say stick to our Heraldic Guns. Not all orders or awards are registered with the College of Heralds for the very reason that they are too blamed nit-picky.

And +Corpora+ would reply...yes they do. Viii 2 and 4 cover awards with and without AoAs and GoAs being given with them and in both entries it says they have to be 'ratified' by Laurel.

'Ratified' in this case would entail the name and the insignia being acceptable to the Laurel Sovereign of Arms and, in the furtherance of that, the registerablity of the name of the Order is a part.

No, I don't agree with it; however that's the reality of the situation.

Cathal.


You will be assimilated; obedience is feudal.

#19224

From: chawkswrth@...
Date: Wed May 28, 2008 7:42 pm
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2501

cladyroz

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"Master" or "Mistress" anything is going to get you shot down so fast, your landing gear won't have time to get off the tarmack....

I _like_ MOB. It is original, telling, and the shtick possibilities are endless. <G> (Part of the reason I like hanging around is your wonderful sick sense of humor! We have FUN!)
The Meridian Order of the Blade says it all. We are Meridian and you guys are the best of the best. I would put our MOBsters up against the East's OGRES or Midrealm's Brass Rings any day, and know our few can outdance and outplay them all.
MOB is Meridian. Period.

*I* would say stick to our Heraldic Guns. Not all orders or awards are registered with the College of Heralds for the very reason that they are too blamed nit-picky.

But, toward the end of making everyone happy, what Kingdom does this Gentle reside in, whose approval you need?

Helen

-----Original Message-----
From: Elizabeth Anderson <anderliz@...>
To: serapier@... <serapier@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wed, 28 May 2008 1:26 pm
Subject: Re: [serapier] Digest Number 2501

Meridian Masters of Defense -

Or does it have to have MOB with additions to make it passable? Like Meridian Order of Bladed Defense? Just throwing out ideas. - Liz

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#19223

From: cathal@...
Date: Wed May 28, 2008 7:01 pm
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2501

evilbaron2000

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Use of the term 'Master/Mistress' as a part of an award designation is not likely to be accepted by Laurel. 'Master/Mistress' is a reserved title in the SCA precedence system for holders of certain of the Bestowed Peerages.

Cathal.

-----Original Message-----
From: Elizabeth Anderson
Sent: May 28, 2008 2:26 PM
To: "serapier@..."
Subject: Re: [serapier] Digest Number 2501

Meridian Masters of Defense -

Or does it have to have MOB with additions to make it passable? Like Meridian Order of Bladed Defense? Just throwing out ideas. - Liz

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#19222

From: "Edward Neary" <cdjoslin@...>
Date: Wed May 28, 2008 6:59 pm
Subject: Re: Order of the Brazen Blade/ MOB discussion

ecneary37820

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I dunno, looking at the current roster of members of the Order, "Brazen" pretty much describes all of them. As far as the name "MOB" not being a "nice" name, the highest order for fence in the East is the OGRE (Order of the Golden Rapier, East). And boy does that one hit it on the head nicely.

Charles

On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 8:17 AM, Celeste Will <sironaboann@...> wrote:

I understand you guys like the whole MOB connection theme. And I understand that I am an opinionated loud mouth-
Brazen may have proper applied definitions, however the first things that "brazen" brings to my mind is shamelessly bold and not in a good way- ie brazen hussy.
IMHO I'm not sure the descriptor calls to mind the status of the "ideal fencer" the award is intended to invoke. No, I don't have an alternative suggestion.
Just a first impression thrown out there.
SB

A side note from Cillian here:
have to go with Sirona, et.al. on this one. Even the Old English definition of brazen does not really sit well with the message that we should be trying to convey, and even if it did, most people aren't going to understand that. They are going to read it by the commonly held definition of the word.
Please see below for more precise definitions of the word "Brazen".

Dictionary.com Unabridged defines "Brazen" as:
�adjective

1. shameless or impudent: brazen presumption.

2. made of brass.

3. like brass, as in sound, color, or strength.
�verb (used with object)

4. to make brazen or bold.
�Verb phrase

5. brazen out or through, to face boldly or shamelessly: He prefers to brazen it out rather than admit defeat.

[Origin: bef. 1000; ME brasen (adj.), OE br�sen of brass]
�Related forms
bra�zen�ly, adverb

bra�zen�ness, noun
�Synonyms 1, 3. brassy. 1. insolent, defiant.

The Online Etymology Dictionary shows Brazen as:
brazen

O.E. br�sen "made of brass," from br�s "brass." The figurative sense of "hardened in effrontery" is c.1573 (in brazen-face), perhaps suggesting a face unable to show shame. To brazen it out "face impudently" is from 1555.

Just my 2p. worth.
~Cillian

hawk@... wrote:

We will get a submission together, but most names have been examined and eliminated.

Order of Espada de Oro
Brotherhood of the blade
Gyllene Bandets Orden -Order of the Golden Band (Ribbon, but...)
Order of the Sable Sword

I have been informed that basically sword, blade, espada, brigade, and Bande are out.

Hawk

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#19221

From: Elizabeth Anderson <anderliz@...>
Date: Wed May 28, 2008 6:26 pm
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2501

anderliz

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Meridian Masters of Defense -

Or does it have to have MOB with additions to make it passable? Like Meridian Order of Bladed Defense? Just throwing out ideas. - Liz

serapier@yahoogroups.com wrote:

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#19220

From: Celeste Will <sironaboann@...>
Date: Wed May 28, 2008 12:17 pm
Subject: Re: Order of the Brazen Blade/ MOB discussion

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I understand you guys like the whole MOB connection theme. And I understand that I am an opinionated loud mouth-
Brazen may have proper applied definitions, however the first things that "brazen" brings to my mind is shamelessly bold and not in a good way- ie brazen hussy.
IMHO I'm not sure the descriptor calls to mind the status of the "ideal fencer" the award is intended to invoke. No, I don't have an alternative suggestion.
Just a first impression thrown out there.
SB

A side note from Cillian here:
have to go with Sirona, et.al. on this one. Even the Old English definition of brazen does not really sit well with the message that we should be trying to convey, and even if it did, most people aren't going to understand that. They are going to read it by the commonly held definition of the word.
Please see below for more precise definitions of the word "Brazen".

Dictionary.com Unabridged defines "Brazen" as:
�adjective

1.	shameless or impudent: brazen presumption.

2.	made of brass.

3.	like brass, as in sound, color, or strength.

�verb (used with object)

4.	to make brazen or bold.

�Verb phrase

5.	brazen out or through, to face boldly or shamelessly: He prefers to brazen it out rather than admit defeat.

[Origin: bef. 1000; ME brasen (adj.), OE br�sen of brass

]
�Related forms

bra�zen�ly, adverb

bra�zen�ness, noun

�Synonyms 1, 3. brassy. 1. insolent, defiant.

The Online Etymology Dictionary shows Brazen as:
brazen

O.E. br�sen "made of brass," from br�s "brass." The figurative sense of "hardened in effrontery" is c.1573 (in brazen-face), perhaps suggesting a face unable to show shame. To brazen it out "face impudently" is from 1555.

Just my 2p. worth.
~Cillian

hawk@... wrote:

We will get a submission together, but most names have been examined and eliminated.

Order of Espada de Oro
Brotherhood of the blade
Gyllene Bandets Orden -Order of the Golden Band (Ribbon, but...)
Order of the Sable Sword

I have been informed that basically sword, blade, espada, brigade, and Bande are out.

Hawk

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#19219

From: Ted Collins <ted.collins@...>
Date: Tue May 27, 2008 10:51 pm
Subject: Re: [meridies-heralds] Re: Meridian Order of the Brazen Blade

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Having a somewhat Germanic persona, might I suggest a name reminiscent
of the fencing schools of 16th century Germany, such as the Marxbruder
(Brotherhood of St. Mark) or Federfechter (Free Fencers of the Quill)?
Naming an order after a saint might conflict with Society policy in some
way for all I know, but I'm sure that those of us with an understanding
of German could come up with something.  What's "silver" in German?

Runolfr

#19218

From: Chris Zakes <DonTivar@...>
Date: Tue May 27, 2008 8:21 pm
Subject: Re: RE: [meridies-heralds] Re: Meridian Order of the Brazen Blade

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At 11:30 AM 5/27/2008, you wrote:

>Hmmm. Well, how about "Ordine di Meridien della spada" (attempted
>translation of "Meridien Order of the Sword" via babelfish to modern
>Italian) in either its period Italian or Latin equivalent?
>
>Yves

I'm not a herald, but I *think* the rules say that just translating a
name into another language doesn't work. Thus, something like "Order
of the Hat" is no different heraldically from Ordo del Sombrero (or
the same phrase in French or German.)

          -Tivar Moondragon
                  Ansteorra

#19217

From: hawk@...
Date: Tue May 27, 2008 7:52 pm
Subject: MOB

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We will get a submission together, but most names have been examined and eliminated.

Order of Espada de Oro
Brotherhood of the blade
Gyllene Bandets Orden -Order of the Golden Band (Ribbon, but...)
Order of the Sable Sword

I have been informed that basically sword, blade, espada, brigade, and Bande are out.

Hawk

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#19216

From: rwalla@...
Date: Tue May 27, 2008 4:30 pm
Subject: RE: [meridies-heralds] Re: Meridian Order of the Brazen Blade

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Hmmm. Well, how about "Ordine di Meridien della spada" (attempted translation of "Meridien Order of the Sword" via babelfish to modern Italian) in either its period Italian or Latin equivalent?

Yves

-------------- Original message --------------
From: "Meistres Bronwen (CCC)" <meistresbronwen@...>

The Order name for <Meridian Order of the Blade> (the rapier award) can't be registered because it conflicts with the already registered <Brotherhood of the Blade>. Designators like "Order" and "Brotherhood" are essentially transparent, and I believe that it was determined that adding "Meridian" to the mix did not avoid the conflict. This is the same award, and they are attempting to come up with a name that will avoid conflict by adding a descriptive term and making the award name <Meridian Order of the Brazen Blade>.

#19215

From: "Rick Wallace" <rwalla@...>
Date: Tue May 27, 2008 12:42 am
Subject: FW: [meridies-heralds] Meridian Order of the Brazen Blade

seigneuryves

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This is the first I've heard of the "Brazen Blade" - did I miss something?

Yves

-----Original Message-----
From: meridies-heralds@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:meridies-heralds@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mike O'Byrne
Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2008 1:54 PM
To: meridies-heralds@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [meridies-heralds] Meridian Order of the Brazen Blade

To the Heralds of Meridies Assembled, Greetings!

THL Tormod dubh Gunn is relentlessly pursuing the registration of the
name and badge for the Order of the Blade. This topic was discussed
extensively last July, but the discussion did not result in a
recommendation with suggested documentation. It is time to get our best
thoughts together to help move this Meridian Order properly registered.

On behalf of THL Tormod, I solicit any and all suggestions for ways to
justify the <Meridian Order of the Brazen Blade> or any other version
that would allow registration.

We are aware of the conflict with the Brotherhood of the Blade and have
found it impossible to contact the member who registered that name 20
years ago.

We understand that a blade is a blade is a blade and that the
descriptive element is not significantly different if the blade is
argent, oaken, or brazen.  Yet there must be some way in which we may
reregister this order.

Please give this issue some thought and let us know your thoughts.

I am in your service and in the service of THL Tormod,

Guaire/Pennon

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#19214

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Date: Tue May 27, 2008 12:08 am
Subject: Free to a Good Home

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#19213

From: sarah Cutten <kylasjoy@...>
Date: Sun May 25, 2008 10:53 pm
Subject: RE: Re: Spring War College

kylasmama2

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OK, so how many COOKIES did you have to give him????

I really hope you guys had a great time and DRANK enough water!

Take care,

Sarah

To: serapier@yahoogroups.com
From: osipmand@...
Date: Sun, 25 May 2008 11:18:58 -0400
Subject: Re: [serapier] Re: Spring War College

well I did have to bribe him with a ride.

-----Original Message-----
From: sarah Cutten <kylasjoy@hotmail.com>
To: serapier@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, 23 May 2008 8:25 pm
Subject: RE: [serapier] Re: Spring War College

Feodor;

You're sooooooo Kind!!!!! lolololololol (toungue in cheek, ducking and running!!!!! )

I love the fact that you bring the RAM just for tumbleweed!
You're so good!!!!!

Have a GREAT TIME fighting!

Take care,

Sarah Elizabeth

To: serapier@yahoogroups.com
From: osipmand@aol.com
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 18:21:56 -0400
Subject: Re: [serapier] Re: Spring War College

War Muster was last weekend. But, at spring war college I will, for you and only you! bring the kingdom card guy, and a RAM (Hawk) who is car pooling with me.
So, hope to see you tomorrow at Spring War College.

Feodor

-----Original Message-----
From: Frances <fudge_phantom@yahoo.com>
To: serapier@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, 22 May 2008 2:39 pm
Subject: [serapier] Re: Spring War College

Will there be an authorization marshatt at War Muster? Alex and I
are in town and he was wanting to finish his authorizations.

Tumbleweed

--- In serapier@yahoogroups.com, Corbin <corvus_occultus@...> wrote:
>
> For those of you who didn't make War Muster (or even if you did),
please consider coming to Spring War College this weekend. It is
being hosted by the Shire of Crimson River and will be conveniently
located just outside of Nashville, TN at Long Hunter State Park. It
is a one day event that will be focusing on kicking butt in melee.
Yes, that was what War Muster was for, too, but you can never have
enough fighting, right? So, come out on Saturday, May 24th and we'll
spend the day stabbing the happy out of each other while honing our
skills for war.
> Here's a link:
> http://crimsonriversca.org/html/warcollege/2008.html
> Regards,
> Captain-General Corbin de la Rue of the Meridian Militia
>

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#19212

From: "Rick Wallace" <rwalla@...>
Date: Sun May 25, 2008 3:54 pm
Subject: RE: Rapier Fighter practice

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