Trot a bog or two?

Seriously, though, since we cover a wide time range, I realize many personnas
will not have rapier available "in period". However, my recommendation was
really meant more for those folks whose personnas fall within the time when
rapier was in use. I meant more that if you see yourself, in personna, as being
in 1580, do just a bit of research (A.V.B. Norman is always nice) and consider a
hilt that you might have actually had at that time, not one that dates to 1620.
Just consider it another part of your authentication process, just as you would
with your garb.

Edmund
   ----- Original Message -----
   From: cathal@...
   To: serapier@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2007 5:33 PM
   Subject: Re: [serapier] New rapier fighter here; equipment




   >
   >Oh, another bit of advice. When you order your rig try to find something that
fits your personna. If your personna is mid-1500s, do some research and try to
buy a rig that would be fairly consistent with this.
   >
   >And do please try to avoid the cup hilts and other "hand armor".
   >
   >Edmund

   Jaysus-murphy, Edmund, and wha-t's a puir eighth century bog-trotter ta' do,
to be sure, to be sure?

   Cathal.





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I sent this e-mail over a week ago.... hmm yahoo is odd.

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I played with one at KWAR a coupls of years back.  Interesting toy but I
don't like the feel as a thrust only blade.  Curved blades are for cutting.
If we go to C&T then I may change my mind.  The curved blades are more in
line with my Polish Persona.

Shalom,
Shoiel


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>From: "adamgoodwine" <adamgoodwine@...>
>Reply-To: serapier@yahoogroups.com
>To: serapier@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [serapier] curved blades
>Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2007 15:58:31 -0000
>
>Greetings,
>
>I know Hawk and a few others out there have some curved blades to play
>with.  I am interested in getting one myself and wanted to know what
>people thought of them, which manufacturers currently have legal ones,
>how much of a curve is recommended, that sort of thing.
>
>Any advice would be appreciated,
>
>Adam G.
>
>
>
>
>Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

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Sorry about the need to post this but I rerplied to Adam's curved blade bost
and it never showed up or bounced back.

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>From: "adamgoodwine" <adamgoodwine@...>
>Reply-To: serapier@yahoogroups.com
>To: serapier@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [serapier] curved blades
>Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2007 15:58:31 -0000
>
>Greetings,
>
>I know Hawk and a few others out there have some curved blades to play
>with.  I am interested in getting one myself and wanted to know what
>people thought of them, which manufacturers currently have legal ones,
>how much of a curve is recommended, that sort of thing.
>
>Any advice would be appreciated,
>
>Adam G.
>
>
>
>
>Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

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>
>Oh, another bit of advice. When you order your rig try to find something that
fits your personna. If your personna is mid-1500s, do some research and try to
buy a rig that would be fairly consistent with this.
>
>And do please try to avoid the cup hilts and other "hand armor".
>
>Edmund

Jaysus-murphy, Edmund, and wha-t's a puir eighth century bog-trotter ta' do, to
be sure, to be sure?

Cathal.

Jonas, as a fellow Meridian fencer,I can assure you that Hanwei and
Darkwood practical rapiers are legal in our kingdom.  Hanweis will give
you a lot of value for not a lot of money, and I use 2 of them.  I will
also add my agreement with Lord Cillian about linenarmor.com, and not
just because these are my friends.  Linen is going to be far more
comfortable fighting in Meridian summers than armor made with trigger.
I just received a linen fillip and the difference between that and my
trigger doublet is like night and day.

What part of Meridies are you in?

Raymond the Scot

All I can say is let's make the tourney as early as possible, what with the
heat and everything.

Charles
still melting from Pennsic

On 8/6/07, Lindy <llywelyn@...> wrote:
>
>
> For those coming to Foxes this year, I was wondering when you preferred to
> fight. Last year I ended up being MIC for both the armored and rapier, so we
> had the tourney in the afternoon. Normally it is in the morning off to the
> side. Would everyone prefer the morning or wait until after the heavy
> tourney?
> I am also doing breakfast, so I will not be able to start the tourney
> until 10 or 11, which doesn't matter because no one shows up on time anyway.
> ;)
>
> It will be 3 a person team, round robin format. Unless we have a large
> turn out and can make enough 4 or 5 person teams.
>
> Llywelyn
>
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>
>
>


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Oh, another bit of advice. When you order your rig try to find something that
fits your personna. If your personna is mid-1500s, do some research and try to
buy a rig that would be fairly consistent with this.

And do please try to avoid the cup hilts and other "hand armor".

Edmund
   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Northern Cadet
   To: serapier@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2007 11:46 PM
   Subject: RE: [serapier] New rapier fighter here; equipment


   I'll add to what Corbin has said by making two recommendations.

   First, don't get a schlager bladed weapon. Spend the extra few bucks and
   get one of their practice rapier blades, they come in 36 and 40 inch models.
   Rapier blades tend to act more accurately for the style of play we are
   recreating.

   Second, the more open your guard is the better. You'll never learn to
   defend your hands using a bell or similar type hilt. That along can cause
   you to develop some bad habits that are very hard to break. Yes you'll get
   hand sniped allot at first, use that as a tool to learn from. This isn't
   just competition, it's also a chance of challenging yourself to improve,
   don't waist it.

   Lord Gassion de Beaumarchais
   Cadet to Don James Francis Navarre

   Control thyself, or be ruled by another...

   -----Original Message-----
   From: serapier@yahoogroups.com [mailto:serapier@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
   Of Corbin
   Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2007 11:18 PM
   To: serapier@yahoogroups.com
   Subject: Re: [serapier] New rapier fighter here; equipment

   Jonas,

   Zen Warrior is a good option if you are just starting out. You'll likely
   acquire more expensive stuff as you go. As for blade lengths, 35 and 40 inch
   blades are both acceptable under the rules. You can go longer or shorter
   than those, if you wish, but using a blade longer than 40 inches in a
   tourney means your opponent has to agree to it.

   I would recommend against "self-training" when first starting out. It's very
   easy to pick up lots of bad habits that way and it will be very hard to
   break them later. Your group marshal is probably at Pennsic War right now,
   which would explain why you can't get a reply from her. Where are you
   located? There may be more than one group to choose from, depending on where
   you are.

   Good luck and hope to see you on the field sometime.

   Corbin

   scajonassca <scajonassca@ <mailto:scajonassca%40yahoo.com> yahoo.com> wrote:
   I am a few days from sending off for my first bit of equipment to
   become a rapier fighter. I figureed that a schlager blade would be my
   best bet so there is that. I do live in Meredies so yes that is really
   the only weapon option...sort of. I am planning on ordering from zen
   warrior and they have the option of a 35 inch blade and a 40 inch
   blade. So which is it? Which of these are standard and within Meridian
   rapier rules? I read through the rules and saw nothing refering to
   such. Maybe I missed. Oh well, any help would be appreciated. Any
   other comments on where to start, self training regemines and
   equipment would be appreciated as well. I also am trying to contact my
   local rapier marshall but she seems to be busy at the moment.

   Jonas

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Using the legs from old jeans as panels to be covered
by a nicer fabric(again I would advise linen) is not a
bad idea. I would suggest taking some small samples to
your local marshal(after he unpacks and is done
telling war stories) and have them punch tested.
Depending on the age and weight of the denim you might
be able to use fewer layers. We had a new fencer many
years ago who used heavy denim and the old 4 layers of
trigger idea together(4 layers very heavy denim) it
was punched with a buck knife and passed. If you do
use the old jeans make sure you joining seams are well
covered and let us know how the experiment goes.
Robert
(now eying a rather large pile of old jeans)
--- Jonas Poore <scajonassca@...> wrote:

>
>
> I may have forgotten to mention in my initial
> inquiry that I am resident in Meridies which is
> Schlager only country as far as I know. As for the
> blade length I was thinking that a shorter blade (I
> am 5; 11" btw, but a bit heavy on my feet) would
> foster more technique while a full length blade
> might cause me to rely too heavily on that extra
> length. The ideas on actual period functionality are
> very helpful though and any pertaining to schlager
> is greatly appreciated as I will be self training a
> good bit. I do have a marshall somwhat nearby but a
> hundred plus mile round trip with my work schedule
> and kids well...heh. I have checked the linen armor
> but such is way out of my price range and as the
> cooler parts of the year are coming soon, my first
> set of armor being upholstry fabric will not hurt my
> feelings. Any information on exactly what grade of
> upholstry fabric and anything on making armor and
> such would be great as well.
>
>   Thanks for the replies so far
>   Jonas
>
>   P.S. Yes my marshal is at pennsic as I was
> informed by shire members :-)
>
>   P.P.S. What about denim. I do have several pairs
> of jeans sitting around that are ready to be thrown
> out but could be put to use as armor filler. How
> many layers of relativly good jean weight denim
> would I need to use do ya think?
>
>
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Joanus,

If you itend to make armour, do yourself a big favor and get a
marshal to punch-test the materials prior to putting anything
together.  It would be a shame to make armour and find out latter
it's not within the standards.  If you go with a more reliable source
of material you might get away with having it tested after
production.  Examples include but are not limited to three or four
layers of heavy "Judy" linen.  Linen has such a waft and weave that
it breaths very well and is still strong.  It does degrade faster
than some others though.  Talk to the marshals in Meridies to get
better clairification on standard materials they would recomend.

Gassion


I have checked the linen armor but such is way out of my price range
and as the cooler parts of the year are coming soon, my first set of
armor being upholstry fabric will not hurt my feelings. Any
information on exactly what grade of upholstry fabric and anything on
making armor and such would be great as well.
>
>   Thanks for the replies so far
>   Jonas
>
>   P.S. Yes my marshal is at pennsic as I was informed by shire
members :-)
>
>   P.P.S. What about denim. I do have several pairs of jeans sitting
around that are ready to be thrown out but could be put to use as
armor filler. How many layers of relativly good jean weight denim
would I need to use do ya think?
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Jonas,

     The term "Schlager" is a generic descriptor for heavy bladed weapons,
which include schlager, diamond schlager, and rapier blades.  It's not meant
literally in Meridies or any other Kingdom.

     A point I would like to make against some of the advice I've seen on
this subject is that blade lengths in period varied a good deal.  Some were
short and some long.  There is no reason to base you decision on what length
to get other than personal preference and the style you intend to recreate.
For example, in Destreza (Spanish Rapier) the length of a proper weapon was
measured from pommel to tip of the sword and would have equaled the distance
from the outside of you non-dominant shoulder to the tip of your middle
finger of your sword arm when held outstretched at shoulder height.  For
most people this would be closer to 35-38 inches of blade.  Of course that
is based on the teachings of Carranza.  I would advise you to try out
several different weapons and make an educated guess at what length you
wanted to get.

     The one advantage a longer blade has over shorter ones is that you can
cut it down to fit your style of play.  Otherwise they each have good and
bad points to consider in their usage.  Most of us have multiple weapons in
varying lengths and use the ones most appropriate for the given situation.


Lord Gassion de Beaumarchais
Cadet to Don James Francis Navarre

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-----Original Message-----
From: serapier@yahoogroups.com [mailto:serapier@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Jonas Poore
Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2007 6:25 AM
To: serapier@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [serapier] New rapier fighter here; equipment





I may have forgotten to mention in my initial inquiry that I am resident in
Meridies which is Schlager only country as far as I know. As for the blade
length I was thinking that a shorter blade (I am 5; 11" btw, but a bit heavy
on my feet) would foster more technique while a full length blade might
cause me to rely too heavily on that extra length. The ideas on actual
period functionality are very helpful though and any pertaining to schlager
is greatly appreciated as I will be self training a good bit. I do have a
marshall somwhat nearby but a hundred plus mile round trip with my work
schedule and kids well...heh. I have checked the linen armor but such is way
out of my price range and as the cooler parts of the year are coming soon,
my first set of armor being upholstry fabric will not hurt my feelings. Any
information on exactly what grade of upholstry fabric and anything on making
armor and such would be great as well.

Thanks for the replies so far
Jonas

P.S. Yes my marshal is at pennsic as I was informed by shire members :-)

P.P.S. What about denim. I do have several pairs of jeans sitting around
that are ready to be thrown out but could be put to use as armor filler. How
many layers of relativly good jean weight denim would I need to use do ya
think?

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Also be aware that the longer schlagers will tend to be more "whippy" than the
same or longer length practice rapier (Del-Tin type), whereas the 35" schlagers
will have more backbone, which is fine if you are using a more English, whack
'em style with your blade (against your opponent's blade, not the opponent per
se).

I am assuming in all this that you have practiced with several loaner blades
before ordering; if not, I would STRONGLY recommend your doing this first before
ordering anything, be it blades, armor, whatever. If you have only practiced
with, say, 35" loaner schlager blades, try to borrow 40" Del-Tins or equvalent
for a few practice sessions. Not only to get a better feel for the types of
blades themselves, but to get a feel of the various manufacturer's weight,
construction, etc. Too many of the "economy" models have hilts that are far too
heavy. By doing this you may decide, if you are serious about rapier, to hold
off buying (most of us are more than happy to loan equipment at events and
practices) until you can afford a better outfit, such as Darkwood (which I
always will highly, highly recommend). You'll probably find that, in the long
run, you'll be much happier with your equipment, enjoy rapier more, and
basically get more of your money's worth out of good equipment and, in the long
run, come off better than buying something cheaper that you find you're
dissatisfied with and need to replace in 6 months.

Edmund
   ----- Original Message -----
   From: jefshar1@...
   To: serapier@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2007 8:34 AM
   Subject: Re: [serapier] New rapier fighter here; equipment


   Greetings, Jonas, and welcome!

   I'm not of Meridies, so pay close attention to your own Marshals, but you can
find the current list of approved blades for all Kingdoms at:
   http://sca.org/officers/marshal/combat/rapier/bladetypes.pdf

   My opinion is, longer blades are more authentic and tend to favor period
technique. On the other hand, schlager blades do not taper towards the tip, so
there's extra mass 'way out there. You can adjust the balance with the pommel,
but the extra inertia is still there and the blade can be slower than one of
similar mass and length but which tapers.

   My advice is, if you can afford a practice rapier blade at 40", go that route.
If a schlager blade, I would probably advise the shorter blade and try to be
conscientious about period technique. If you have a strong wrist, the 40"
schlager will work fine.

   Hoping I haven't made things worse... :-)

   --Aethan Dunmire, OQB
   Gleann Abhann

   --------------
   From : "scajonassca" <scajonassca@...>

   I am a few days from sending off for my first bit of equipment to
   become a rapier fighter. I figureed that a schlager blade would be my
   best bet so there is that. I do live in Meredies so yes that is really
   the only weapon option...sort of. I am planning on ordering from zen
   warrior and they have the option of a 35 inch blade and a 40 inch
   blade. So which is it? Which of these are standard and within Meridian
   rapier rules? I read through the rules and saw nothing refering to
   such. Maybe I missed. Oh well, any help would be appreciated. Any
   other comments on where to start, self training regemines and
   equipment would be appreciated as well. I also am trying to contact my
   local rapier marshall but she seems to be busy at the moment.

   Jonas

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I may have forgotten to mention in my initial inquiry that I am resident in
Meridies which is Schlager only country as far as I know. As for the blade
length I was thinking that a shorter blade (I am 5; 11" btw, but a bit heavy on
my feet) would foster more technique while a full length blade might cause me to
rely too heavily on that extra length. The ideas on actual period functionality
are very helpful though and any pertaining to schlager is greatly appreciated as
I will be self training a good bit. I do have a marshall somwhat nearby but a
hundred plus mile round trip with my work schedule and kids well...heh. I have
checked the linen armor but such is way out of my price range and as the cooler
parts of the year are coming soon, my first set of armor being upholstry fabric
will not hurt my feelings. Any information on exactly what grade of upholstry
fabric and anything on making armor and such would be great as well.

   Thanks for the replies so far
   Jonas

   P.S. Yes my marshal is at pennsic as I was informed by shire members :-)

   P.P.S. What about denim. I do have several pairs of jeans sitting around that
are ready to be thrown out but could be put to use as armor filler. How many
layers of relativly good jean weight denim would I need to use do ya think?


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I'll add to what Corbin has said by making two recommendations.

First, don't get a schlager bladed weapon.  Spend the extra few bucks and
get one of their practice rapier blades, they come in 36 and 40 inch models.
Rapier blades tend to act more accurately for the style of play we are
recreating.

Second, the more open your guard is the better.  You'll never learn to
defend your hands using a bell or similar type hilt.  That along can cause
you to develop some bad habits that are very hard to break.  Yes you'll get
hand sniped allot at first, use that as a tool to learn from.  This isn't
just competition, it's also a chance of challenging yourself to improve,
don't waist it.

Lord Gassion de Beaumarchais
Cadet to Don James Francis Navarre

Control thyself, or be ruled by another...

-----Original Message-----
From: serapier@yahoogroups.com [mailto:serapier@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Corbin
Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2007 11:18 PM
To: serapier@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [serapier] New rapier fighter here; equipment



Jonas,

Zen Warrior is a good option if you are just starting out. You'll likely
acquire more expensive stuff as you go. As for blade lengths, 35 and 40 inch
blades are both acceptable under the rules. You can go longer or shorter
than those, if you wish, but using a blade longer than 40 inches in a
tourney means your opponent has to agree to it.

I would recommend against "self-training" when first starting out. It's very
easy to pick up lots of bad habits that way and it will be very hard to
break them later. Your group marshal is probably at Pennsic War right now,
which would explain why you can't get a reply from her. Where are you
located? There may be more than one group to choose from, depending on where
you are.

Good luck and hope to see you on the field sometime.

Corbin

scajonassca <scajonassca@ <mailto:scajonassca%40yahoo.com> yahoo.com> wrote:
I am a few days from sending off for my first bit of equipment to
become a rapier fighter. I figureed that a schlager blade would be my
best bet so there is that. I do live in Meredies so yes that is really
the only weapon option...sort of. I am planning on ordering from zen
warrior and they have the option of a 35 inch blade and a 40 inch
blade. So which is it? Which of these are standard and within Meridian
rapier rules? I read through the rules and saw nothing refering to
such. Maybe I missed. Oh well, any help would be appreciated. Any
other comments on where to start, self training regemines and
equipment would be appreciated as well. I also am trying to contact my
local rapier marshall but she seems to be busy at the moment.

Jonas



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Greetings, Jonas, and welcome!

I'm not of Meridies, so pay close attention to your own Marshals, but you can
find the current list of approved blades for all Kingdoms at:
   http://sca.org/officers/marshal/combat/rapier/bladetypes.pdf

My opinion is, longer blades are more authentic and tend to favor period
technique.  On the other hand, schlager blades do not taper towards the tip, so
there's extra mass 'way out there.  You can adjust the balance with the pommel,
but the extra inertia is still there and the blade can be slower than one of
similar mass and length but which tapers.

My advice is, if you can afford a practice rapier blade at 40", go that route. 
If a schlager blade, I would probably advise the shorter blade and try to be
conscientious about period technique.  If you have a strong wrist, the 40"
schlager will work fine.

Hoping I haven't made things worse...  :-)

--Aethan Dunmire, OQB
Gleann Abhann

--------------
From : "scajonassca" <scajonassca@...>

I am a few days from sending off for my first bit of equipment to
become a rapier fighter. I figureed that a schlager blade would be my
best bet so there is that. I do live in Meredies so yes that is really
the only weapon option...sort of. I am planning on ordering from zen
warrior and they have the option of a 35 inch blade and a 40 inch
blade. So which is it? Which of these are standard and within Meridian
rapier rules? I read through the rules and saw nothing refering to
such. Maybe I missed. Oh well, any help would be appreciated. Any
other comments on where to start, self training regemines and
equipment would be appreciated as well. I also am trying to contact my
local rapier marshall but she seems to be busy at the moment.

Jonas


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Jonas,
  As has already been mentioned, I would opt for a Hanwei Practical Rapier Blade,
or a Darkwood, or other similar rapier simulator rather than a Schlager blade
proper, as they offer a better feel for how a real rapier blade handles. Also,
unless you are (... how does one put this delicately...) particularly vertically
challenged... I would go with a blade length of 38" or longer. The 35" blade
makes the execution of period techniques somewhat challenging, and in fact, by
it's very nature, fosters "dui-tempo" actions. I have had a great deal of
success with the Hanwei blades, and of course the Darkwoods are about as good as
the come. We have had some trouble with the Zen Warrior blades bending at the
forte after a very limited amount of use, so "buyer-beware."
  As for armor, if you are in the market for something other than trigger-poplin
or the ZW heavy-weight canvas, I would recommend visiting www.linenarmor.com.
On the subject of training. I agree with what has already been mentioned.
However, if you do not have a fencing instructor there to assist you with your
training, I highly recommend the books "The Arte of Defence" by Wilson, and "The
Duellists Companion" by Windsor. Both are excellent manuals for period rapier
training, though beware that both do teach some techniques that are not suitable
for SCA fencing.
  Good luck, and feel free to write back if you have any questions.
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Not to confuse you or be difficult but if your options
are a schlager( a type of heavy rapier with no taper)
and one with a taper(hanwei or darkwood as an example)
I would go with the later. This will get you a blade
that behaves more like an actual blade whereas
schlagers dont. Also if your thinking you wanna do
this for awhile I would suggest buying a better
simulator up front rather than later.
My two pence
Robert
--- scajonassca <scajonassca@...> wrote:

> I am a few days from sending off for my first bit of
> equipment to
> become a rapier fighter. I figureed that a schlager
> blade would be my
> best bet so there is that. I do live in Meredies so
> yes that is really
> the only weapon option...sort of. I am planning on
> ordering from zen
> warrior and they have the option of a 35 inch blade
> and a 40 inch
> blade. So which is it? Which of these are standard
> and within Meridian
> rapier rules? I read through the rules and saw
> nothing refering to
> such. Maybe I missed. Oh well, any help would be
> appreciated. Any
> other comments on where to start, self training
> regemines and
> equipment would be appreciated as well. I also am
> trying to contact my
> local rapier marshall but she seems to be busy at
> the moment.
>
> Jonas
>
>




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Jonas,

   Zen Warrior is a good option if you are just starting out.  You'll likely
acquire more expensive stuff as you go.  As for blade lengths, 35 and 40 inch
blades are both acceptable under the rules.  You can go longer or shorter than
those, if you wish, but using a blade longer than 40 inches in a tourney means
your opponent has to agree to it.

   I would recommend against "self-training" when first starting out.  It's very
easy to pick up lots of bad habits that way and it will be very hard to break
them later.  Your group marshal is probably at Pennsic War right now, which
would explain why you can't get a reply from her.  Where are you located?  There
may be more than one group to choose from, depending on where you are.

   Good luck and hope to see you on the field sometime.

   Corbin

scajonassca <scajonassca@...> wrote:
           I am a few days from sending off for my first bit of equipment to
become a rapier fighter. I figureed that a schlager blade would be my
best bet so there is that. I do live in Meredies so yes that is really
the only weapon option...sort of. I am planning on ordering from zen
warrior and they have the option of a 35 inch blade and a 40 inch
blade. So which is it? Which of these are standard and within Meridian
rapier rules? I read through the rules and saw nothing refering to
such. Maybe I missed. Oh well, any help would be appreciated. Any
other comments on where to start, self training regemines and
equipment would be appreciated as well. I also am trying to contact my
local rapier marshall but she seems to be busy at the moment.

Jonas


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12th Night will be January 12th 2008.

"Brad Cramer Jr." <innygo_montoya@...> wrote:
For Arenal's 12 Night, which I believe will be the first or second
  weekend in January, (yes I know its even longer off than KWAR) but I
  would like to invite the holder of the Meridien Iron Ring there and
  would even pay for their basic event fee.  But I would like them to
  attend and take all challengers.  But I'll have more on this later.

  Nikolaus Hildebrand






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I am a few days from sending off for my first bit of equipment to
become a rapier fighter. I figureed that a schlager blade would be my
best bet so there is that. I do live in Meredies so yes that is really
the only weapon option...sort of. I am planning on ordering from zen
warrior and they have the option of a 35 inch blade and a 40 inch
blade. So which is it? Which of these are standard and within Meridian
rapier rules? I read through the rules and saw nothing refering to
such. Maybe I missed. Oh well, any help would be appreciated. Any
other comments on where to start, self training regemines and
equipment would be appreciated as well. I also am trying to contact my
local rapier marshall but she seems to be busy at the moment.

Jonas

Tristram and Reynard from Thor's Mountain will be happy to help out
with this.

Reynard

--- In serapier@yahoogroups.com, "Gardner, Steve" <SteveG@...> wrote:
>
> You got it.
>
> Stefan
>
>
>
>
> I would like at least one person from each team to help marshal the
> field when not fighting or the next team to take the field. It doesn't
> have to be the same person.
>
> Thanks
>
> Llywelyn
>
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>
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You got it.

Stefan




I would like at least one person from each team to help marshal the
field when not fighting or the next team to take the field. It doesn't
have to be the same person.

Thanks

Llywelyn

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For those interested, inspections will start at 09:30 to 10:30.  The tourney
will start 10:30 to 11:00.  The field will be to the left of the main field,
which is left of the pool.
Ursus will be getting things running until I get there, then I'll help or take
over running it so he can fight.  I would like at least one person from each
team to help marshal the field when not fighting or the next team to take the
field.  It doesn't have to be the same person.

Thanks

Llywelyn



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We will be there early so whatever works for you.

L

On 8/6/07, Lindy <llywelyn@...> wrote:
>
>
> For those coming to Foxes this year, I was wondering when you preferred to
> fight. Last year I ended up being MIC for both the armored and rapier, so we
> had the tourney in the afternoon. Normally it is in the morning off to the
> side. Would everyone prefer the morning or wait until after the heavy
> tourney?
> I am also doing breakfast, so I will not be able to start the tourney
> until 10 or 11, which doesn't matter because no one shows up on time anyway.
> ;)
>
> It will be 3 a person team, round robin format. Unless we have a large
> turn out and can make enough 4 or 5 person teams.
>
> Llywelyn
>
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I tried posting from my e-mail and it never posted.

Shoiel

I don't get there before 10 anyway.   B'ham to ToF plus the
Time Zone lost.

Stefan




For those coming to Foxes this year, I was wondering when you preferred
to fight. Last year I ended up being MIC for both the armored and
rapier, so we had the tourney in the afternoon. Normally it is in the
morning off to the side. Would everyone prefer the morning or wait until
after the heavy tourney?
I am also doing breakfast, so I will not be able to start the tourney
until 10 or 11, which doesn't matter because no one shows up on time
anyway. ;)

It will be 3 a person team, round robin format. Unless we have a large
turn out and can make enough 4 or 5 person teams.

Llywelyn

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Well I, for one, would prefer one after the other but that's just so I can fight
in both.

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For those coming to Foxes this year, I was wondering when you preferred to
fight.  Last year I ended up being MIC for both the armored and rapier, so we
had the tourney in the afternoon.  Normally it is in the morning off to the
side.  Would everyone prefer the morning or wait until after the heavy tourney?
I am also doing breakfast, so I will not be able to start the tourney until 10
or 11, which doesn't matter because no one shows up on time anyway. ;)

It will be 3 a person team, round robin format.  Unless we have a large turn out
and can make enough 4 or 5 person teams.


Llywelyn



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For Arenal's 12 Night, which I believe will be the first or second
weekend in January, (yes I know its even longer off than KWAR) but I
would like to invite the holder of the Meridien Iron Ring there and
would even pay for their basic event fee.  But I would like them to
attend and take all challengers.  But I'll have more on this later.

Nikolaus Hildebrand