Some of those e-mail addresses are invalid.  I'd have no problems with
moving up the deadline of bringing everybody on board.  We might want to
leave the old list up longer than next week but follow up regularly
with messages that the old list is going away.

Brian

Cal White wrote:
>
> From: "Cal White" <diplomat@...>
>
> Okay, now that we've had a bit of time to play with the interface, does
> anyone want to comment on using onelist for scoresheet-talk? As things stand
> now, the plan is to announce the shift to onelist on Friday and keep the old
> list server running until the middle of next week to give everyone a chance
> to sign on.  Wonder how many of the 331 current members we'll lose in the
> crossover?
>
> Anyone have any problems with anything?  Comments?
>
> Cal
>

> From: Graham Hudson <grum@...>
>
> Unfortunately, we can't trade protection slots in this league.  I'm
worried
> about having Catalanotto for the 3rd year running (drafted him in 1998)
and
> not getting enough AB to make it worth it.  Thankfully I had Velarde to
> take over when it became obvious he wasn't going to work out.

At the risk of makig this mini-list TOO AL-WORRALL oriented, I'll have to
ask: someone mentioned making a proposal regarding the trading of slots at
this year's draft?  Mike K?  Or who was it?

Cal

> From: Graham Hudson <grum@...>
>
> I think you should give them a bit more time to get used to the switch.
> I'd make it a full week at least.  My only real complaint is the
> advertisement.  I do like the signup, and the chance to use the web to
> check back messages I've accidentally deleted is great.  As well, having a
> file archive on the homepage makes it perfect for the FAQ, Ranking lists,
> utilities, and you could even set it up to hold league results (updated by
> each league individually) that people can explore.  How much space is
there
> available on the server for each mailing list?  You could easily set up a
> mailing list for your own league.

I think the files section could be used for the Excel docs we always seem to
have to make available on someone's web page. I'd also thought of putting
people's pictures there if they wish. I'll have to check into the size
limits. Never heard of any, but there must be SOME point they draw the line
at...

> I guess another complaint would be the Subject line always having
> [scoresheet-talk] at the front.  I already have my email filtered to the
> proper boxes, so I don't need the identifier.  It's something that should
> be optional, but I bet it isn't.

I used to find it annoying some time ago, but I learned to ignore it.  Also,
filters aren't hard to change...

> The calendar feature should be used to list draft dates for leagues, IF
the
> leagues want to use the feature (hint hint Cal!).  And birthdays, if
people
> want to rat out other list members.

Great.  Now we can become a social club... d;-})

> The links feature would be the best place to list all the web pages that
> the scoresheet-list keeps talking about (like Jay-Dell Mah's,  the
leagues,
> Rotonews, etc.)

Exactly.

> I think you'll lose some people because it's web based registration, I
> think some of the non-participants to the list just won't bother to re-up,
> and then there are the dead emails that haven't been cleared in a while.
>
> We should set up an over/under wagering line on how many people will be
> signed up by Feb 29 2000 at 11:59pm...

You've thought of pretty much all the stuff I thought of, including the
pool.  I suspect we'll end up under 300 for at least a month or two.  I'll
get my brother to leave the other list active for a bit and then see if he
can set it to send back a message with re-sub instructions for another month
or so.

Have to remember to change the links on my baseball page and remind Brian
and the bartons to do the same.

Thanks for the comments,

Cal

>> My list (so far, barring any trades):
>> SP- Brown (NL), Ponson, Colon, Carpenter
>> RP- Lowe
>> C- Posada, LeCroy*
>> 1B- Olerud, Johnson*
>> 2B- (none)
>> SS- C.Guillen*
>> 3B- Cirillo (NL)
>> OF- Stewart, Edmonds, Wells*, Restovich*
>>
>> I'm still contemplating switching Guillen with either
>> Bobby Higginson
>> Joe Crede
>> Jeremy Giambi
>> Wilton Veras
>> Frank Catalanotto
>> and even Randy Velarde
>>
>> I've got the 1st pick overall, and I've narrowed it down to two choices,
>> which will remain secret until the draft.
>
>Any chance of trading a regular slot for a rookie and an upgrade?
>I'd probably go with Catalanotto.

Unfortunately, we can't trade protection slots in this league.  I'm worried
about having Catalanotto for the 3rd year running (drafted him in 1998) and
not getting enough AB to make it worth it.  Thankfully I had Velarde to
take over when it became obvious he wasn't going to work out.

Graham

At 12:33 AM 01/02/2000 -0500, you wrote:
>From: "Cal White" <diplomat@...>
>
>Okay, now that we've had a bit of time to play with the interface, does
>anyone want to comment on using onelist for scoresheet-talk? As things stand
>now, the plan is to announce the shift to onelist on Friday and keep the old
>list server running until the middle of next week to give everyone a chance
>to sign on.  Wonder how many of the 331 current members we'll lose in the
>crossover?
>
>Anyone have any problems with anything?  Comments?
>
>Cal

I think you should give them a bit more time to get used to the switch.
I'd make it a full week at least.  My only real complaint is the
advertisement.  I do like the signup, and the chance to use the web to
check back messages I've accidentally deleted is great.  As well, having a
file archive on the homepage makes it perfect for the FAQ, Ranking lists,
utilities, and you could even set it up to hold league results (updated by
each league individually) that people can explore.  How much space is there
available on the server for each mailing list?  You could easily set up a
mailing list for your own league.

I guess another complaint would be the Subject line always having
[scoresheet-talk] at the front.  I already have my email filtered to the
proper boxes, so I don't need the identifier.  It's something that should
be optional, but I bet it isn't.

The calendar feature should be used to list draft dates for leagues, IF the
leagues want to use the feature (hint hint Cal!).  And birthdays, if people
want to rat out other list members.

The links feature would be the best place to list all the web pages that
the scoresheet-list keeps talking about (like Jay-Dell Mah's,  the leagues,
Rotonews, etc.)

I think you'll lose some people because it's web based registration, I
think some of the non-participants to the list just won't bother to re-up,
and then there are the dead emails that haven't been cleared in a while.

We should set up an over/under wagering line on how many people will be
signed up by Feb 29 2000 at 11:59pm...

Graham

>
> >Team 2 - AL Worrall Team 2? (Since 97?) - Finished 9th last year, good
> >offense, non-existant pitching
> >12/3 League, 4 picks in first 2 rounds
> >
> >SP - Helling, Meche, *Riley, *Mulder
> >C - Varitek, Hernandez
> >1b - Thome, Konerko
> >2b - Morris (NL)
> >ss - Garciaparra
> >3b - Glaus, *Piatt
> >OF - Greer, Kapler, Burnitz (NL)
>
> You've left some tempting morsels on the plate for the rest of the league:
> Daubach, D. Ortiz, M.Valdez, Branyan, Burba, Nagy, Fussell, Werth.
> But I think you got it right.  You might want to dangle the excess 1B in
> front of a team that has none, like Kevin's team (Cordero and Fielder).
>

The only guy who I think is more than borderline protectable in a 12/3
is Burba.  I probably would have kept him in front of Meche.  Are you
planning to deal one of your young catchers?


> My list (so far, barring any trades):
> SP- Brown (NL), Ponson, Colon, Carpenter
> RP- Lowe
> C- Posada, LeCroy*
> 1B- Olerud, Johnson*
> 2B- (none)
> SS- C.Guillen*
> 3B- Cirillo (NL)
> OF- Stewart, Edmonds, Wells*, Restovich*
>
> I'm still contemplating switching Guillen with either
> Bobby Higginson
> Joe Crede
> Jeremy Giambi
> Wilton Veras
> Frank Catalanotto
> and even Randy Velarde
>
> I've got the 1st pick overall, and I've narrowed it down to two choices,
> which will remain secret until the draft.

Any chance of trading a regular slot for a rookie and an upgrade?
I'd probably go with Catalanotto.

Brian

>Since this is a predominantly Worrall List, I figured I'd post my 3
>protection lists for you to consider.  Wouldn't mind seeing advance
>posting on the other Worrall lists.

No problem here.

>Team 2 - AL Worrall Team 2? (Since 97?) - Finished 9th last year, good
>offense, non-existant pitching
>12/3 League, 4 picks in first 2 rounds
>
>SP - Helling, Meche, *Riley, *Mulder
>C - Varitek, Hernandez
>1b - Thome, Konerko
>2b - Morris (NL)
>ss - Garciaparra
>3b - Glaus, *Piatt
>OF - Greer, Kapler, Burnitz (NL)

You've left some tempting morsels on the plate for the rest of the league:
Daubach, D. Ortiz, M.Valdez, Branyan, Burba, Nagy, Fussell, Werth.
But I think you got it right.  You might want to dangle the excess 1B in
front of a team that has none, like Kevin's team (Cordero and Fielder).

My list (so far, barring any trades):
SP- Brown (NL), Ponson, Colon, Carpenter
RP- Lowe
C- Posada, LeCroy*
1B- Olerud, Johnson*
2B- (none)
SS- C.Guillen*
3B- Cirillo (NL)
OF- Stewart, Edmonds, Wells*, Restovich*

I'm still contemplating switching Guillen with either
Bobby Higginson
Joe Crede
Jeremy Giambi
Wilton Veras
Frank Catalanotto
and even Randy Velarde

I've got the 1st pick overall, and I've narrowed it down to two choices,
which will remain secret until the draft.

Graham

Okay, now that we've had a bit of time to play with the interface, does
anyone want to comment on using onelist for scoresheet-talk? As things stand
now, the plan is to announce the shift to onelist on Friday and keep the old
list server running until the middle of next week to give everyone a chance
to sign on.  Wonder how many of the 331 current members we'll lose in the
crossover?

Anyone have any problems with anything?  Comments?

Cal

> From: "Garth Werner" <garth@...>
>
> Since this is a predominantly Worrall List, I figured I'd post my 3
> protection lists for you to consider.  Wouldn't mind seeing advance
> posting on the other Worrall lists.
>
> Team 2 - AL Worrall Team 2? (Since 97?) - Finished 9th last year, good
> offense, non-existant pitching
> 12/3 League, 4 picks in first 2 rounds
>
> SP - Helling, Meche, *Riley, *Mulder
> C - Varitek, Hernandez
> 1b - Thome, Konerko
> 2b - Morris (NL)
> ss - Garciaparra
> 3b - Glaus, *Piatt
> OF - Greer, Kapler, Burnitz (NL)

NL stuff deleted as I don't follow minor leagues...

Not sure what you want us to comment on.  It's a promising team, but man,
you need to get some pitching.  Wish I had enough to offer you for
Garciaparra, but I probably don't.  Somewhere down the line, you're going to
have to cash in some of that offence for some pitching.

I don't think I better reveal anyone else's draft lists in case they want to
change them before the cutoff date next Saturday.

Cal White
Co-moderator scoresheet-talk

Since this is a predominantly Worrall List, I figured I'd post my 3
protection lists for you to consider.  Wouldn't mind seeing advance
posting on the other Worrall lists.


Team 1 - NL Morgan Team 8 (Since 92) - Won division last year, lost
wild card series in 7.
13/2 League - No Off-season moves.

SP - Maddux, Hermanson, Cone(AL), Cordova, Hitchcock
C - Lieberthal
1b - Olerud (AL)
2b - Belliard
ss - Perez
3b - Rolen, *Burroughs
OF - Sosa, Abreu, Bonds, *Cust

Team 2 - AL Worrall Team 2? (Since 97?) - Finished 9th last year, good
offense, non-existant pitching
12/3 League, 4 picks in first 2 rounds

SP - Helling, Meche, *Riley, *Mulder
C - Varitek, Hernandez
1b - Thome, Konerko
2b - Morris (NL)
ss - Garciaparra
3b - Glaus, *Piatt
OF - Greer, Kapler, Burnitz (NL)

Team 3 - NL JABO Team 3 (Inaugural draft 99) - Finished 7th, 2
position higher than I was expecting
13/2 League, I have 12/3 slots, and extra R16 pick.

SP - Millwood, Reynolds, Woodard, Elarton, Dotel
C - Barrett, *Petrick
1b - Casey
2b - Morris
ss - Perez
3b - Beltre, Ramirez
OF - A.Jones, *C.Hermansen, *Cust


Garth

I agree pretty much with Cal's analysis except I think you might be able to
get more than a midround pick (which I define as mid 20's) if your trading
partner really wants that #1 pick.  Another person who asked me for
trading advice (not in Worrall, or even Canadian!) was talking about
a 16th and the 3rd pick overall to move up to the 1st.

Brian


> Thanks Cal.
>
> By the way, you are the only one running at this moment, as I haven't talked
to anybody else, yet. What you wrote were the options I was playing with (first
rounder and mid-rounder or more picks lower in the draft).
>
> Mike Kirkey
>

> > On to Scoresheet matters: I have second overall pick in a protect 12 AL
> draft (as a matter of fact currently 66.7 per cent of this list are made up
> of its members) and I was wondering what in terms of draft picks is it
> worth. I would like to get at least two draft picks back.
>
> Perhaps I shouldn't comment as I'm in the running for this pick, but I will
> anyway.
>
> Although there's a good crossover crop this year, there's no real standout
> and the difference between 1st and 5th picks isn't that great.  Actually,
> they first five could go in nearly any order depending on the needs of the
> team.  I'd say that, if you were looking to deal, you try to swap first
> round picks and pick up a prospect (or mid round draft choice perhaps?) of
> some sort in the deal.  That's assuming you don't really care which of the
> first few available players you get.
>
> If you don't care about the first roud at all and simply want to deal the
> pick, then it gets more expensive.  Figure out who the second player taken
> COULD be and ask for an equivalency.  For example, someone who really wants
> Raul Mondesi (not my first choice, BTW) wouldn't be able to give you a
> similar OF, but you could probably get someone nearly as good at a position
> you want to fill plus that mid round draft choice.
>
> Cal White
> Co-Moderator scoresheet-talk (TNG)
>

Thanks Cal.

By the way, you are the only one running at this moment, as I haven't talked to
anybody else, yet. What you wrote were the options I was playing with (first
rounder and mid-rounder or more picks lower in the draft).

Mike Kirkey

-----Original Message-----
From: Cal White [SMTP:diplomat@...]
Sent: Monday, January 31, 2000 9:25 AM
To: scoresheet-talk@onelist.com
Subject: Re: [scoresheet-talk] Testing

From: "Cal White" <diplomat@...>

> From: Michael Kirkey <mkirkey@...>
>
> On to Scoresheet matters: I have second overall pick in a protect 12 AL
draft (as a matter of fact currently 66.7 per cent of this list are made up
of its members) and I was wondering what in terms of draft picks is it
worth. I would like to get at least two draft picks back.

Perhaps I shouldn't comment as I'm in the running for this pick, but I will
anyway.

Although there's a good crossover crop this year, there's no real standout
and the difference between 1st and 5th picks isn't that great.  Actually,
they first five could go in nearly any order depending on the needs of the
team.  I'd say that, if you were looking to deal, you try to swap first
round picks and pick up a prospect (or mid round draft choice perhaps?) of
some sort in the deal.  That's assuming you don't really care which of the
first few available players you get.

If you don't care about the first roud at all and simply want to deal the
pick, then it gets more expensive.  Figure out who the second player taken
COULD be and ask for an equivalency.  For example, someone who really wants
Raul Mondesi (not my first choice, BTW) wouldn't be able to give you a
similar OF, but you could probably get someone nearly as good at a position
you want to fill plus that mid round draft choice.

Cal White
Co-Moderator scoresheet-talk (TNG)


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> From: Michael Kirkey <mkirkey@...>
>
> On to Scoresheet matters: I have second overall pick in a protect 12 AL
draft (as a matter of fact currently 66.7 per cent of this list are made up
of its members) and I was wondering what in terms of draft picks is it
worth. I would like to get at least two draft picks back.

Perhaps I shouldn't comment as I'm in the running for this pick, but I will
anyway.

Although there's a good crossover crop this year, there's no real standout
and the difference between 1st and 5th picks isn't that great.  Actually,
they first five could go in nearly any order depending on the needs of the
team.  I'd say that, if you were looking to deal, you try to swap first
round picks and pick up a prospect (or mid round draft choice perhaps?) of
some sort in the deal.  That's assuming you don't really care which of the
first few available players you get.

If you don't care about the first roud at all and simply want to deal the
pick, then it gets more expensive.  Figure out who the second player taken
COULD be and ask for an equivalency.  For example, someone who really wants
Raul Mondesi (not my first choice, BTW) wouldn't be able to give you a
similar OF, but you could probably get someone nearly as good at a position
you want to fill plus that mid round draft choice.

Cal White
Co-Moderator scoresheet-talk (TNG)

Brian, you may think you're the Christopher Columbus of the Scoresheet list, but
up here -- North of the Frozen Tundra -- we've been on this list for years we
just didn't want any Americans to know. :)

Quick all you Canadians hide your livestock . . . oh, yeah . . . and your women,
too. THE AMERICANS ARE COMING! THE AMERICANS ARE COMING! ;)

(I think it would have sounded better in a thick French accent.)

Seriously, I like this list, too. Like you said we can find out about other
people on this list. I, for one, have been curious about a lot of people (where
they are from).

On to Scoresheet matters: I have second overall pick in a protect 12 AL draft
(as a matter of fact currently 66.7 per cent of this list are made up of its
members) and I was wondering what in terms of draft picks is it worth. I would
like to get at least two draft picks back.

Thanks,

Mike Kirkey

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Sent: Monday, January 31, 2000 2:41 AM
To: scoresheet-talk@onelist.com
Subject: [scoresheet-talk] Testing

From: Graham Hudson <grum@...>

Just seeing if this works yet.
Respond if it does...

Graham


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Nah, Garth Werner had that honour... d;-})  There will be a lot more we can
do with this format.  I've been exploring some of the Moderator options and
had a few ideas.  We'll discuss them of-line as everything said here goes
into the Archives.

Later,

Cal

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Sent: Monday, January 31, 2000 12:57 AM
Subject: [scoresheet-talk] First message!


> From: Brian Jones <bjoness@...>
>
> It looks like I get to be the first one to test sending a message
> on the new list.
>
> I'm going to find it interesting to see peoples names, locations, and
> occupations.
>
> Sent at 9:58 PT.
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Yup

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> From: Graham Hudson <grum@...>
>
> Just seeing if this works yet.
> Respond if it does...
>
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I received it.

On my test of sending the same message to both lists:

bfree -   5:05
Onelist - 4:25

Graham Hudson wrote:
>
> From: Graham Hudson <grum@...>
>
> Just seeing if this works yet.
> Respond if it does...
>
> Graham
>

Just seeing if this works yet.
Respond if it does...

Graham

I'm testing by sending a message to both lists at the same time

The 3rd annual Murphy (24 team, Both leagues, live draft) draft is now history.
This is Murphy's 4th year but only 3rd live draft.  Probably all of the
other owners on the list woke up today thinking: I drafted WHO?  We took
a little more time than last year, starting about 11 AM and finishing up
about 7:20.

Here's what Reede & I ended up with.  We started with eight protectees
(Murphy has no rookie slots)

P: Brown, Lima, Park, Alvarez, Villone, J. Thompson, Ohka, W. Miller, Tejara,
Meyers
SR: Mantei, Christiansen, M. Jackson, Silva, Harville, Aguillera, Beck, Ayala
C: Fletcher, Miller
1B: Casey, Klesko
2B: Kent, R. Martinez
3B: Rolen
SS: J Hernandez, Cabrera, A. Arias, W. Delgado
OF: Vlad, Sheffield, Higginson, Trammell, Encarnacion, Winn, Kelly

We like our offense (including the 3 platoons).  As to defense, we like
our offense.  If Thompson holds back, our rotation looks solid.

Comments welcomed.  When I have the complete draft reslults, I will post
them and inform the list.

Brian

It looks like I get to be the first one to test sending a message
on the new list.

I'm going to find it interesting to see peoples names, locations, and
occupations.

Sent at 9:58 PT.

Brian

> From: "Garth Werner" <garth@...>
>
>     with 3 members, I wonder if this is a Scoresheet-talk beta list,
> or an AL Worrall List!

Well, until Brian gets here, it's an AL-WORRALL mini-list... d;-})

Cal
Moderator AL-WORRALL-TALK

> From: mkirkey@...
>
> Gee Garth, I didn't know you were so old.

Notice you're not commenting on MY age... d;-})

> Does anybody have any interest in the second pick in the AL WORRALL draft?

Sure, what do you want?

Cal

>Gee Garth, I didn't know you were so old.

     It lies!   Honestly!  It's not an accurate age.  Give it a year
though.


>
>Does anybody have any interest in the second pick in the AL WORRALL
draft?

     with 3 members, I wonder if this is a Scoresheet-talk beta list,
or an AL Worrall List!

Garth

Gee Garth, I didn't know you were so old.

Does anybody have any interest in the second pick in the AL WORRALL draft?

>From: "Garth Werner" <garth@...>
>
>     I've found historically that onelist responds quicker than freenet
>when sending out messages to the list too!
>
>Garth

Easily.  The Freenet has to queue up all the messages when they get sent out
and I've always had this sneaking suspicion my brother gives his writer's
list priority... <G>

Cal
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>So far, so good.  No crashes or delays so we've beat the Freenet
servers
>already!


     I've found historically that onelist responds quicker than freenet
when sending out messages to the list too!

Garth

So far, so good.  No crashes or delays so we've beat the Freenet servers
already!

Cal

>From: "Garth Werner" <garth@...>
>Reply-To: scoresheet-talk@onelist.com
>To: <scoresheet-talk@onelist.com>
>Subject: [scoresheet-talk] TESTING
>Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2000 16:57:03 -0500
>
>From: "Garth Werner" <garth@...>
>
>I WANT MY WORRALL INFO!
>
>
>   o   o
>
>     ^
>    \__/
>
>
>
>Garth
>
>
>
>
>
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Garth

Hello,

There is a new survey for the scoresheet-talk
community:

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How many leagues do you play in?

   o 0
   o 1
   o 2
   o 3
   o 4
   o 5
   o 6
   o 7
   o 8
   o 9
   o More (are you nuts? <g>)

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Moderator, scoresheet-talk

Hello,

There is a new survey for the scoresheet-talk
community:

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How many leagues do you play in?

   o 2

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To vote, please visit the following web page:

http://www.onelist.com/surveys/scoresheet-talk

Note: Please do not reply to this message. Survey votes are
not collected via email. To vote, you must go to the ONElist
website.

Thanks!

Moderator, scoresheet-talk