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## Re: a week to pull hair out (what little remaining) MORE

From Carl (origianl poster)
I think my original post got lost in the various translations. Derek and otehrs
have made some very astute observations though.

What I was trying to ask, in general, does it really make any material
difference in Scoresheet game to match pitchers up or are we better off to leave
that up to the way the SIMM matches pitchers up week to week.?

On the surface, it makes sense that it would should make a difference. However,
the BA/OBA/Slugging adjustments made when leftys face LH batters seems much
greater than when Rightys face RH batters, so I tend to look for matchups when
the other team's best hitters are leftys and don't think the adjustments are
materially enough to do RH pitcher vs RH hitters matchups unless I am playing a
powerful team (even if they are loaded with predominantly RH hitters) whom I
want someone like Lincecum to start against.

If I'm playing a weaker team, I will typically use my 4th and 5th best starters.
That, in itself, may be why I seem to lose more games against teams that I think
my team should roll over.

So the question is?? If you DO NOT use any pitcher ..Prefer to Face teams..how
does the SIMM determine which specific pitcher would pitch vs Team A and which
pitcher would pitch vs Team B? Does it start each week with pitcher # 1 and
then to go # 2 and then # 3 and so forth? If so, would anything be effected
(either positively or negatively) by changing the order of your pitching
rotation each week, say moving your # 1 (say Lincecum as an example) one week,
to # 3 another week, and then back to # 1 another?

Since I suppose teams can look at other team's starting rotation orders, they
can try to match up specific pitcher vs specific pitcher matchups to their
advantage by not matching their best pitcher up as # 1 (maybe using their worst)
when Lincecum starts. Maybe their best pitcher is slotted as # 2 or # 3 so they
dont have to matchup vs Lincecum and just write that one game off by using their
worst pitcher in the # 1 slot.

But if the SIMM doesn't follow any particular order of starters when playing out
games, then that would not have any bearing. If it does, then I think it would.
Wouldn't it? Anyone have any thoughts?

And in a typical 6 game week, if three pitchers get two starts in Real Baseball,
if you DO NOT use pitching matchup preference, how does the Scoresheet SIMM
decide which of those 3 pitchers gets that 6th game in Scoresheet game?

Carl
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"kwarrenca" <kenwarren77@...> wrote:
>
> you wrote:
>
> "So Joe Pitcher pitched 8 innings IRL and only gave up one run while
> striking out 9 and walking 1. That's great. But if he was facing the
> Nationals IRL, and facing a lineup of hot hitters in Scoresheet, he's
> not necessarily going to get the same results."
>
> "if Joe Pitcher performed in Scoresheet the same as he did against a
weak-hitting real-life team, wouldn't that just mean the sim was broken in the
other direction?"
>
>
> You seem to be inferring that the quality of a pitcher's major league
opposition has something to do with how he will do in his Scoresheet game. I
think people should understand that this is not the case.
>
> Joe Pitcher will pitch against an average Scoresheet team exactly as he did
against a weak-hitting real-life team.
>
> It's totally irrelevant who Lincecum pitched his real life shutout against.
He could have pitched a shutout against a bunch of minor league call-ups in
PETCO Park or he could have pitched a shutout against the Phillies in Citizen
Bank Park. His Scoresheet performance will be the same in either circumstance.
>
> The simulator is not even aware of who Lincecum faced in real life. The
quality of his major league opposition plays no role whatsoever in what he can
be expected to do in Scoresheet.
>
> "He is equally likely to pitch a shutout against the toughest lineup in your
Scoresheet league", regardless of whom he shutout in real life.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In scoresheet-talk@yahoogroups.com, Derek Hiemforth <derek@> wrote:
> >
> > So you're telling me that if Tim Lincecum pitches a shutout against
> > the Nationals, then he's equally likely to pitch a shutout against the
> > toughest lineup in my Scoresheet BL league? And if that's not what
> > you're telling me, then you misunderstood my post.
> >
> > - Derek
> >
> >
> > On Jul 8, 2009, at 10:32 AM, kwarrenca wrote:
> >
> > > Who a pitcher faced in real life and the park they pitched in is
> > > totally irrelevant.
> > >
> > > The simulator treats a game in PETCO Park against the Nationals
> > > exactly the same as it treats a game against the Phillies in
> > > Citizens Bank Park.
> > >
> > > Your post indicates that you believe that the simulator takes into
> > > account the quality of competition a pitcher had in real life. It
> > > doesn't.
> >
>





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Final stats of 2 teams I faced this week 6.50 era..... 239 BA So my teams go 3-3 and go ..what the ....? and look back on games trying to figure out whats the...
Carl
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Jul 1, 2009
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what league is this, Carl? Would like to look at your results. Tom...
Tom Hanrahan
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Jul 1, 2009
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... NL 322 Maybe I am missing something in my settings but I dont understand how a guy like Paulino can give up 3 runs in one game in which he pithed one...
Carl
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Jul 3, 2009
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well Carl, since Paulino hadn't pitched in a few weeks prior, & you prob. had him in back then or prior anyway?: I'd say it's a combined stat result. He's been...
soxknation
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Jul 4, 2009
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mislabelled (sp?), that's really season ERA (on date)... oh & as long as I'm dup. posting meant to start that by saying "well, Carl, my guess is... (etc)"....
soxknation
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Jul 4, 2009
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Yes I get he has been brutal but THIS Particular week Paulino ONLY only pitched in real baseball as a starter in one 7 inning performance in which he gave up 3...
Carl
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Jul 4, 2009
9:37 pm

Given the recent run of complaints like these, I think the Bartons might find a less testy market if they just dumped the sim and turned each week's outcomes...
bostonibis
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Jul 5, 2009
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Well, they get complaints that the outcomes and too random and complaints that the outcomes are not random enough. The more I read these complaints the more I...
garthhewitt
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Jul 6, 2009
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I agree. I also think people tend to forget that performance in the sim isn't just based on what your guy did in real life... it's also based on what the guys...
Derek Hiemforth
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Jul 6, 2009
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Who a pitcher faced in real life and the park they pitched in is totally irrelevant. The simulator treats a game in PETCO Park against the Nationals exactly...
kwarrenca
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Jul 8, 2009
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So you're telling me that if Tim Lincecum pitches a shutout against the Nationals, then he's equally likely to pitch a shutout against the toughest lineup in...
Derek Hiemforth
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Jul 8, 2009
7:45 pm

Well, the Nationals' offense isn't actually that bad, so your examle isn't the best. But the sim does NOT compensate for quality of competition or for the...
Ian Thistle
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Jul 8, 2009
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... And that's the only adjustment I was ever talking about. :-) - Derek...
Derek Hiemforth
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Jul 8, 2009
8:28 pm

Not quite, but close. The strength of the real life lineup faced by a pitcher is irrelevent for scoresheet purposes. That having been said, Timmy goes 9...
Paul Finkelstein
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Jul 8, 2009
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... But it's not irrelevant for real-life purposes. How well a pitcher fares in Scoresheet is going to be based on: 1. His pitching results that week (raw...
Derek Hiemforth
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Jul 8, 2009
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you wrote: "So Joe Pitcher pitched 8 innings IRL and only gave up one run while striking out 9 and walking 1. That's great. But if he was facing the Nationals...
kwarrenca
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Jul 9, 2009
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I think I was muddling the issue by mentioning who he faced in real life. It isn't really relevant (and I knew it didn't affect the sim)... I guess I was just...
Derek Hiemforth
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Jul 9, 2009
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From Carl (origianl poster) I think my original post got lost in the various translations. Derek and otehrs have made some very astute observations though. ...
Carl
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Jul 12, 2009
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Couple of points... The order you list your starters determines who gets any extra starts. So #1 will get the extra start if he has extra start available. If...
bluechip_10
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Jul 12, 2009
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No no. Some of this is very wrong. The sim does not match bad pitching with good opponents. It is randomish with adjustment for prefer-to-face and not...
garthhewitt
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Jul 12, 2009
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Ok, then why, unless the prefer to face option is used, would the order of appearance for starters in a given week not follow the order they are listed? Of...
bluechip_10
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Jul 12, 2009
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Thank you for addressing this .. this is one of the unknowns I have always wondered about in Scoresheet. I get that one pitcher can't start agaisnt the same...
Carl
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Jul 13, 2009
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The answer to most of these questions were just covered last week in the notes the Bartons included with your results. For example, " ... 'carry-over' starts...
Stephen Shelby
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Jul 13, 2009
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Ive had that situation come up several times but didnt make any changes. LMK if that # 5 guys get two starts this week. Even then, since this week has seven...
Carl
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Jul 13, 2009
4:28 am

Which pitcher starts which game is randomly generated, within the constraint that a pitcher can't start twice against the same team in one week, and the...
kwarrenca
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Jul 13, 2009
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I thought it meant he WILL face that team, not is MORE Likely to face" Is that not correct? If I understand it correctly, one poster mentioned something about...
Carl
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Jul 13, 2009
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Carl, you confused a couple of issues. Steve was saying he's sure about his #1 guy getting two starts. Ken was saying the SP is more likely to be assigned to...
garthhewitt
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Jul 13, 2009
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I'm not sure where, in one of the instructions, the weekly notes or here, Jeff or Dave explained that they didn't want #1 pitchers facing the other number ones...
garthhewitt
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Jul 13, 2009
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Carryover stats should NOT have affected Paulino's crappy appearance for you; it appears to be a case, as best I can tell, of the fact that some randomness...
Tom Hanrahan
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Jul 6, 2009
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Shhhhh. People only want to point at the sim when they think they're getting screwed over. Conversely, when players are overacheiving in scoresheet, it's due...
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