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Re: Doing away with projections!

Watching a player play in person doesn't hold a candle to using a
statistical analysis.

1) A statistical analysis allows you to compare the guy you watched to
all the other players that you haven't watched in a very accurate way.

2) The modern metrics (WARP, OPS+, xERA etc) are far better than the
old BA, HR, RBI, & ERA that people used to use as stats and are park
adjusted.

3) Defense can now be measured very accurately with the modern
metrics. Much better than personal observation.

4) I can see using scouting reports, and how a guy "hussles" to be the
sort of thing that you would use to break ties, but not to over rule
statistical analysis.

Ken


--- In scoresheet-talk@yahoogroups.com, "mooberrybrian"
<mooberrybrian@...> wrote:
>
> You guys depend too much on projections. Whatever happen to gut
> feelings? Doesn't anyone ever go to spring training and spend some
> time at the minor league complex and watch the minor league players.
> Doesn't anyone catch some minor league baseball games? The fun of
> Scoresheet is drafting, seting up the lineup, and running your own
> team. It seems that too many of us are making all of our decisions
> based on "predictions" to draft our team and set up our lineups.
> You've got to put some personal feeling into this. It's like Dave
> Dombrowski of Detroit. He is still trading for and getting the ball
> players that he watched, scouted, and signed when he was with the
> Florida Marlins. Spotting someone who is young and putting his faith
> in the decisions that he made. What would we do if there weren't
> computers to do all the work for us. It might still be part of the
> reason that I'm not winning in my league, but I still draft and keep
> players that I have personal contact with when they were playing in
> the minor leagues. So it would be nice to hear someone say, " I
> thinl that this player is better to keep because he hussles more, is
> a better person, or has better skills" than hearing , "well he is
> projected to do"
>
> Moobery





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I agree. One in awhile I'll stray a little and listen to "noise" and sometimes it pays off. ... From: John Carter <jcpublic@...> Subject: ## Re: Doing...
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That is why much of the predictions is based on computer figures. The best way to pick is by gut feeling as to how this player will perform. You should look at...
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Maybe I'm just not an intuitive person, but how do you form your 'gut feeling' about how a MLB player will perform? Most players you've probably never seen...
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more like a sprinkle of salt, especially when its shandler.... ... From: Sam To: scoresheet-talk@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 1:12 PM ...
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I don't think any projection system is a great thing to use for playing time - most of them expressly say they are not trying to predict playing time, just...
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I think Shandler does any outstanding job. I didn't renew the website this season (just cutting back) but I still get the Forcaster. It's the single biggest...
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The Colorado PT was a little tongue in cheek, but it does highlight a flaw in the system as Wimberly never gets the steals, hits ect without those ABs and he...
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My understanding of the way Pecota works is that it doesn't know what the Rockies' other options at 2B are, and it doesn't care. It's simply comparing...
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Iirc, BP will merge the pt data with PECOTA in a later version and the projections will be adjusted. ... what the ... what the ... comparables ... represent a ...
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Again, I don't understand how projections really help to create a rank listing when projections are only for a single season and we're picking players (in...
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Funny, i find shandlers Rar system pretty weak and not very helpful. Although i did buy his book this year cus i was bored waiting for Pecota...... those...
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I swear by Shandler's projections/advice for pitchers. I've used his guide as basis for my drafting the last few years and it's been invaluable. My teams...
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I stopped using Shandler's projections a few years ago. His RAR are simply wacky. But a lot of the free projection systems are as useful as Pecota, Chone,...
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I find the RAR for pitchers confusing. For example, Ross Detweiler has a better RAR than either Matt Cain or Carlos Zambrano --all are about -9. ...
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I dunno, i got mlb tv, I can go and watch any game past or present, i use it to scout players, important picks, trades Kinda like watching a guy, see how he...
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