I live in Knoxville, Tennessee.   I would like to know if anyone knows
of any instructors in or near this area.

Thank you.

--- In salledesavate@yahoogroups.com, "lone_wolf_92001"
<lone_wolf_9@h...> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I'm new to this group, doing research for an article.  Can anyone
> here help me with the following:
>
> I'm familiar with Les Apaches (Parisian street fighters at the turn
> of the last century,) and with the Apache dance style which
mimicked
> their combat style.  I've also seen several 1890s self-defence
> manuals that refer to "dirty tricks" such as the use of the
> knife, "hooding" an opponent with a jacket or cape, etc. as "Apache
> techniques."
>
> "Panache" seems to refer to the same type or class of techniques;
was
> this style created recently as an evolution/adaptation of the
Apache
> tricks, or is it a different thing altogether?
>
> I'm also trying to source 1890s graphics or descriptions of the use
> of the cape/cloak/coat in self-defence, and will be grateful if
> someone can point me in the right direction.
>
> Can anyone confirm that this type of technique was employed by
French
> police around 1900, and that this is the origin of the slang term
for
> police, "le flic" (as in "flicking" a coat over a suspect's head to
> subdue them?)
>
> Many thanks,
>
> Tony Wolf


Hello Tony,

The Manueal de Baratero really shows these techniques, even when not
attributing them to any specific style.  The cloak use, knife use
(navaja), etc. were all pretty common French street-fighting lexicon.

Phillipe Roudillion, whom I trained La Canne with at Cercle
Charlemont in Paris, had some early photos (ambrotypes, ferrotypes?)
of street folks (not the usual dapper guys) doing Savate it looked
more like this (tight chambering of kicks, using the knife, etc).

Panache really refers to a system codified quite recently by
Legendary Savate Prof. LaFond, though I've heard it
incorporates "methodologies" from Les Apaches and Lutte Parisienne
(as "techniques" are sort of hearsay) it really is most interesting
as very early Boxe Francaise, when simple throws and other blows were
still allowed in the ring.

I'd never heard about "Le Flic" origion...never asked, but I will now!

If I can get any of those photos, I will post them.

Armando

Congratulations for such dedication and hard work.

--- In salledesavate@y..., bjjsavate <no_reply@y...> wrote:
> CONGRATULATIONS to our two savateurs who represented the New
Jersey
> Savate federation ("TEAM BAD" out of BASULTO ACADEMY OF DEFENSE)
this
> Saturday at BATTLEGROUNDS II in Bergenfield, NJ.
>
> This was an amateur Muay Thai kickboxing event which featured 12
> exciting fights on the evening's card.
>
> - LUKE FORELLE dominated his opponent Jack Williams all three
> rounds.  Williams had a strong right hook and hefty Thai kick, but
> Luke landed a barrage of straight rights and low Savate kicks that
> rocked his opponent off his feet.  Savate high/low attacks and
> footwork prevailed in this match.
> Congratulations on a glorious win!
> We will be losing Luke to Cornell University next semester, but he
> will always be a "BAD MAN"!
>
> - ROLANDO GARCIA had a "war" with a very tough Anthony "Extreme"
> Urena, exchanging knees and body shots in the clinch.  Rolando
landed
> some snapping low crosses and even one of his trademark "chasse
> laterals" to the midsection of Urena in Round 3.
> At the end of the 3 rounds, the judging was TIGHT on the score
cards
> (two judges had the fight scored 29-28!), but the win went to
Urena.
> Nonetheless, Rolando represented the skill and heart that is the
> hallmark of all B.A.D. Savate fighters.
>
> Several other coaches commented that our fighter's "conditioning
> showed".  In true Savate fashion, they stood (rather then sit)
during
> rounds and looked like they could go another 10 rounds; no
problem.
>
> You can always recognize a Savateur because he always looks like
he's
> waiting for one more round!
>
> Special thanks to the guys who worked the corner with me, Norman
> Taylor (President of NJSF) and Chrystian Adachowski.
>
>
> Armando
>
> TEAM B.A.D. !
>
> BASULTO ACADEMY OF DEFENSE
> New Jersey Savate Federation
> 201-692-0746
> www.wayofnoway.com

CONGRATULATIONS to our two savateurs who represented the New Jersey
Savate federation ("TEAM BAD" out of BASULTO ACADEMY OF DEFENSE) this
Saturday at BATTLEGROUNDS II in Bergenfield, NJ.

This was an amateur Muay Thai kickboxing event which featured 12
exciting fights on the evening's card.

- LUKE FORELLE dominated his opponent Jack Williams all three
rounds.  Williams had a strong right hook and hefty Thai kick, but
Luke landed a barrage of straight rights and low Savate kicks that
rocked his opponent off his feet.  Savate high/low attacks and
footwork prevailed in this match.
Congratulations on a glorious win!
We will be losing Luke to Cornell University next semester, but he
will always be a "BAD MAN"!

- ROLANDO GARCIA had a "war" with a very tough Anthony "Extreme"
Urena, exchanging knees and body shots in the clinch.  Rolando landed
some snapping low crosses and even one of his trademark "chasse
laterals" to the midsection of Urena in Round 3.
At the end of the 3 rounds, the judging was TIGHT on the score cards
(two judges had the fight scored 29-28!), but the win went to Urena.
Nonetheless, Rolando represented the skill and heart that is the
hallmark of all B.A.D. Savate fighters.

Several other coaches commented that our fighter's "conditioning
showed".  In true Savate fashion, they stood (rather then sit) during
rounds and looked like they could go another 10 rounds; no problem.

You can always recognize a Savateur because he always looks like he's
waiting for one more round!

Special thanks to the guys who worked the corner with me, Norman
Taylor (President of NJSF) and Chrystian Adachowski.


Armando

TEAM B.A.D. !

BASULTO ACADEMY OF DEFENSE
New Jersey Savate Federation
201-692-0746
www.wayofnoway.com

Hi all,

I'm new to this group, doing research for an article.  Can anyone
here help me with the following:

I'm familiar with Les Apaches (Parisian street fighters at the turn
of the last century,) and with the Apache dance style which mimicked
their combat style.  I've also seen several 1890s self-defence
manuals that refer to "dirty tricks" such as the use of the
knife, "hooding" an opponent with a jacket or cape, etc. as "Apache
techniques."

"Panache" seems to refer to the same type or class of techniques; was
this style created recently as an evolution/adaptation of the Apache
tricks, or is it a different thing altogether?

I'm also trying to source 1890s graphics or descriptions of the use
of the cape/cloak/coat in self-defence, and will be grateful if
someone can point me in the right direction.

Can anyone confirm that this type of technique was employed by French
police around 1900, and that this is the origin of the slang term for
police, "le flic" (as in "flicking" a coat over a suspect's head to
subdue them?)

Many thanks,

Tony Wolf

--- In salledesavate@y..., "hsu_yin" <hsu_yin@y...> wrote:
> I am looking for a club or school to practice Canne de Combat.  I
am
> located in Santa Barbara California.  Its about 100 miles north of
> LA and about 300 miles south of San Francisco.  Any help in finding
> a club would be greatly appreciated.


There are no certified schools of La Canne in the U.S.  Some Savate
clubs (like ours) teach La Canne as an associated discipline of
Savate, but most of the Savate clubs on the West Coast do NO la canne
(to the best of my knowledge).

Prof. Salem Assli, who is in LA, does teach some La Canne at his
seminars, so you can get some exposure this way.

We are working hard here in New Jersey to establish the first USA LA
CANNE TEAM to hopefully compete in France.

If you can find someone to practice the attacks and defenses with a
buddy, and learn the rules of play, you can spar and get pretty good
at it.

We'll be posting information here at "Salle de Savate" on upcoming
workshops with French La Canne coaches here in the US.

Stay tunned!

Armando

NEW JERSEY SAVATE FEDERATION

www.wayofnoway.com

I am looking for a club or school to practice Canne de Combat.  I am
located in Santa Barbara California.  Its about 100 miles north of
LA and about 300 miles south of San Francisco.  Any help in finding
a club would be greatly appreciated.

--- In salledesavate@y..., "pyromalice333" <MaliceParvenu@a...> wrote:
>      Hello, I joined this group not to long ago.  I was wondering
if
> anyone knows about savate schools in DC?

You have several choices....

Steve Savoie in Maryland Savate Federation
Email: rsavoie@...

joseph scholz Captiol Savate Club
Email: joseph_scholz@...

Best of luck in your training!

Hello, I joined this group not to long ago.  I was wondering if
anyone knows about savate schools in DC?

IMPORTANT! To all NJ Savate Federation:

We are placing another order for NJSF Savate Tenues.  These are the
red one-piece tenue with the white/blue stripe down the sides.  We
are working with a new vendor in Paris who will get us our order in
30 days.

Everyone doing Savate please NOTE:
If you have any thoughts of testing and/or competing, it is mandatory
that you wear the tenue!

There is a minimum order of 10 tenues that we must order and we are
already up to 8 orders.  We plan to place the order at the end of the
week.  If you have not been to Savate class this week, please contact
us.

Please come in so we can measure you (as each Tenue is custom made to
your measurements) and bring in at least a $40 deposit for your tenue
(we estimate the cost of each tenue at about $80).

We only place this order about once or twice a year, so don't miss
this chance to get your authentic Savate uniform.  .

Any questions, please feel free to call or email us.

BASULTO ACADEMY OF DEFENSE
New Jersey Savate Federation
201-692-0746
www.wayofnoway.com

SPECIAL Stick Fighting Workshop!
Next Friday, September 13th: 7:15pm to 9:00pm

French Cane, or La Canne (and Batôn), were taught side-by-side with
boxing, kicking and wrestling skills in almost every Salle de Savate
(training hall) in 1800's France and in the "Schools of Defense" in
England (Single Stick).

Practice with La Canne helps develop flexibility, suppleness of body,
complete coordination and over-all confidence.  Your distancing and
footwork for both weapons fighting and kickboxing will become TURBO-
CHARGED from "playing" La Canne!

Basic La Canne de Combat Attack and Defense will be covered as well
as the modern competitive sport of La Canne de Combat.

A informational Study Guide especially prepared for the workshop will
be distributed to all attendees!

Then, everyone will get a chance to try some friendly LA CANNE ASSAUT
(Sparring)!

Please try and come to this special training session.

Walk Softly, and Carry a Big Stick!

Armando Basulto

BASULTO ACADEMY OF DEFENSE
New Jersey Savate Federation
201-692-0746
www.wayofnoway.com

Check out my report at www.savate.org

HELP!!!!! I need some Savate emblems! Can anyone email me what you
have? savateman@... or savateman@...

Thanks!!!

By the way, HELLO everyone out there from the Savatuers in Illinois!

Hi
I am no savateur or anything but as a JKD guy came into contaqct with
some of the savate techniques which i only sparingly trained in.
One day however when doing the (sorry i don't know the french term)
savate sidekick, imanaged to pull the muscle or nerve or something
that runs down the outside of my left leg.
This is easily the worst injury i have ever had in martial arts.
It took about 4 months for me to walk without a limp and to this day
any time i train hard i get a nasty ache in my leg, almost like
arthritis. kicking for me has become practilly  impossible above the
knee, i can barely stretch my legs anymore and any sort of pressure
like prolonged stretching or too many side kicks in a row will make
me pay for days.

is there some sort of a stretch i can do that might help to releive
the obvious problem i have developed in my  leg?

A TKD buddy of mine suggested that I have damaged the nerves where
the long muscle runs down the leg.

Mike Cartier
South Florida ARMA

The New Jersey Savate Federation Glove Testing will be conducted at
KINGSWAY BOXING CLUB in NYC on SAT. AUG 3rd at 10am.

The test includes a comprehensive written test of Savate Boxe
Francaise Knowledge (terminology, rules, history, etc) and RED GLOVE
and above must demonstrate fundamentals of La Canne de Combat.

Please contact the NEW JERSEY SAVATE FEDERATION for more info at:

bjjsavate@...

or visit the BASULTO ACADEMY OF DEFENSE website at:

www.wayofnoway.com


Thank you!

So, Whatever happened in Belgium?

Hi,

Just a quick note to all Mine and Keri's friends 'over the pond' we
are expecting our first baby next March. We'll get it training early
to be ready for the Savate World championships in 2020.

Rob and Keri
(Guildford savate club, UK)

"Push kicks" is not really an accurate description of course. The
action is more of a thrust, in the same manner that you might
thrust your heel into a jammed door to open it.

The heel, or sole, of the foot is used in preference to the outside
edge of the foot, as in Karate for example. This keeps the ankle
in a much safer alignment when the kick hits the target.

Pugil

Hello all. I see the site is back up! Great. I can now be back in the
loop on what's going on.
What's up Norman and Armando!

Hi everyone,
How you all doing ?
My site is now open, take a look and give me feed back, criticism,
praise or features you'd like to see !
Check out: www.savate-uk.com

wldcat

Eurpean Savate players all wear cups!!! In fact cups are manadtory
for competition in Europe.

Savate allows kicks to any part of the body except the groin and
throat.

Round kicks in savate are snap kicks but savate also has more pushy
style kicks called 'chasse' which are basically front push kick and
side kicks.

I hope that makes things a little clearer

Liam


--- In salledesavate@y..., Eugenio Traballano <eutrab@y...> wrote:
>
>
>   wldct_1998 <no_reply@y...> wrote: I've been a member of this
group for a while, but never posted until
> now.  I train in Muay Thai in Arizona, but am interested in
learning
> a bit more about Savate.  Are there any places out west, or are
there
> ever any seminars out here, where one could learn more about savate?
>
> Also, I was reading the post from several months back
> entitled "injuries" about fighting with shoes.  It's a totally
> different dynamic for those of us in Muay Thai.  Also, my
> understanding is that Savate kicks are pretty much all snap kicks.
I
> can see how that would hurt, especially with the shoe!
>
> So what are the legal target areas in savate competitions?  Does it
> allow leg kicks like in Muay Thai/international rules kickboxing?
>
> Also, a friend of mine who is involved with Savate said it is not
> Savate tradition for fighters to wear cups.  That sounded really
> suspicious to me.  Are they crazy in Europe?  Or is that just how
> they keep population growth rates down. ;-)
>
>
>
>
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>
>
> I don't know about your friend but it is risky not to wear a cup.
Of course we use them in Europe, we do want to contribute to our
population growth rates.
>
>
>
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wldct_1998 <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: I've been a member of this group
for a while, but never posted until
now.  I train in Muay Thai in Arizona, but am interested in learning
a bit more about Savate.  Are there any places out west, or are there
ever any seminars out here, where one could learn more about savate?

Also, I was reading the post from several months back
entitled "injuries" about fighting with shoes.  It's a totally
different dynamic for those of us in Muay Thai.  Also, my
understanding is that Savate kicks are pretty much all snap kicks.  I
can see how that would hurt, especially with the shoe!

So what are the legal target areas in savate competitions?  Does it
allow leg kicks like in Muay Thai/international rules kickboxing?

Also, a friend of mine who is involved with Savate said it is not
Savate tradition for fighters to wear cups.  That sounded really
suspicious to me.  Are they crazy in Europe?  Or is that just how
they keep population growth rates down. ;-)




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I've been a member of this group for a while, but never posted until
now.  I train in Muay Thai in Arizona, but am interested in learning
a bit more about Savate.  Are there any places out west, or are there
ever any seminars out here, where one could learn more about savate?

Also, I was reading the post from several months back
entitled "injuries" about fighting with shoes.  It's a totally
different dynamic for those of us in Muay Thai.  Also, my
understanding is that Savate kicks are pretty much all snap kicks.  I
can see how that would hurt, especially with the shoe!

So what are the legal target areas in savate competitions?  Does it
allow leg kicks like in Muay Thai/international rules kickboxing?

Also, a friend of mine who is involved with Savate said it is not
Savate tradition for fighters to wear cups.  That sounded really
suspicious to me.  Are they crazy in Europe?  Or is that just how
they keep population growth rates down. ;-)

Like adverge@... I would like to know about the Savate activity  In
Northeast America and Quebec.
I am teaching in Manchester and I would like to promote the french Kickboxing
here in New Hampshire.
   bjjsavate <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: You've come to the right place! 
We are planning a small Savate
Assaut Tournament in Maryland for this summer and another event up in
Montreal before the end of August!

Email us and we'll get you involved!

bjjsavate@...

Armando Basulto
New Jersey Savate Federation
www.wayofnoway.com


-- In salledesavate@y..., "aduidarnenye" <adverge@a...> wrote:
>
> I am interested in learning about Savate competitions being held in
> North America, particularly in the northeastern United States and
> central to eastern Canada.
>
> If you know of any websites with information about a Savate
> competition, or are holding a Savate competition, or heard a rumour
> about a Savate competition, could you please email me?
>
> My email address is adverge@a...
>
> Thank you very much.


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You've come to the right place!  We are planning a small Savate
Assaut Tournament in Maryland for this summer and another event up in
Montreal before the end of August!

Email us and we'll get you involved!

bjjsavate@...

Armando Basulto
New Jersey Savate Federation
www.wayofnoway.com


-- In salledesavate@y..., "aduidarnenye" <adverge@a...> wrote:
>
> I am interested in learning about Savate competitions being held in
> North America, particularly in the northeastern United States and
> central to eastern Canada.
>
> If you know of any websites with information about a Savate
> competition, or are holding a Savate competition, or heard a rumour
> about a Savate competition, could you please email me?
>
> My email address is adverge@a...
>
> Thank you very much.

I am interested in learning about Savate competitions being held in
North America, particularly in the northeastern United States and
central to eastern Canada.

If you know of any websites with information about a Savate
competition, or are holding a Savate competition, or heard a rumour
about a Savate competition, could you please email me?

My email address is adverge@...

Thank you very much.

Good luck to all the Savate team!!

NEW JERSEY SAVATE FEDERATION TEAM sends fighters to compete at the
World Cup of Savate in Belgium!

Moniteur Armando Basulto, NJSF Team Coach/Captain will be taking a
team of our Savate fighters to Brussels, Belgium to enter the ring
with some of Europe's best at the World Championships of Savate
Kickboxing, May 2002.

The B.A.D. NJ SAVATE Team for the World Cup is:

- Christine Basulto - Women's Lightweight
- Yanira Martinez - Women's Flyweight
- Luke Forelle - Men's Middleweight
- Ozzie Rodriguez - Men's Lightweight
- Justin Wolske - Men's Heavyweight
- Lawrence Levinson - Team Official/Asst. Coach

Everyone has been training hard preparing for their matches and look
forward to meeting team members from other State Federations from
around the USA.

We will be hosted by the Belgium Federation of Savate in Brussels.

Good luck to all the fighters who will be representing our academy
and the USA!


BASULTO ACADEMY OF DEFENSE
New Jersey Savate Federation
www.wayofnoway.com

Congratulations to the new Glove promotions in NEW JERSEY.

Luke Forelle - White Glove
Yanira Martinez - Red Glove
Justin Wolske - Green Glove
Vinh Trinh - Green Glove
Ezekiel Rivera - Green Glove

The Exam was administered at KINGSWAY BOXING GYM in NYC on 4/27/02.

These folks had to pass a grueling examination which included a
technical demonstration section, rounds of assaut in the ring and
rotating rounds with different partners and stations.

Folks that were testing for Red Glove and above, have to also
demonstrate fundamental knowlege of La Canne and Savate's Associated
disciplines.

A comprehensive written exam is also a part of the New Jersey Savate
Federation Glove Ranking Test.

Special thanks to Initator Christine Basulto for her assistance.

Next test is this summer; get your Gloves and shoes on and get ready!


Moniteur Armando Basulto
New Jersey Savate Federation

BASULTO ACADEMY OF DEFENSE
www.wayofnoway.com

B.A.D. Inc.