Professor Assli's seminar was an exciting,
interesting, and all around wonderful experience! Not only did
he provide time for great drills, combinations, and
sparring, but also covered Lutte Parisienne (amazing
throws) and spent the last two hours focusing on Le
Canne. Something I definately want to spend more time
doing! I can't wait to get back into my class to
continue practicing what he taught!

Very much so! Welcome into the fold my child! We are your new family! LOL :)
!<br><br>Keri-x-

I took the seminar this weekend, and I'm
completely converted. I'm still in an embryonic stage in my
development, but I feel that this is the kicking art I've been
looking for. So many tools, the insistence on technique
and fluidity over brute strength, broken rhythm, the
way it compliments the jun fan gung fu, etc. Most of
all, the art doesn't prevent me from using my TKD
knowledge. In fact, I think it will help me functionalize it
even more.<br><br>Of course I'm not going to forsake
my previous training, but I just can't wait to sink
my teeth into this art! Was it like this for you
guys, when you first discovered boxe francaise savate?

A cheerful hello right back at you! I'm afraid I
haven't heard of clogging or purring. If you look at the
message list from a few days ago Armando gave a link to a
site that had a fair bit of info on English fighting
arts maybe it was on there. Hope you find what you're
looking for.<br><br>Keri -x-

A cheerful hello to you! Have you ever heard of
an English kicking method called purring (sometimes
also refered to as clogging)? I have heard about it
here and there and was wondering if you knew anything
about it.<br> thanks,<br> bluelantern

Hope you all had a great weekend! Especially those who went to the seminar. I
have nothing in particular to say, I'm just being cheerful!<br><br>Keri -x-

Hello everyone my nameis N.Thomas most people
call me Thomas I have long wanted to learn savate and
had my chance this year in Jessup,Md but could not
because of my unfortunate circumstance( I wrecked my car
and 2 others and could not find a ride to the gym)but
I will be there the next chance I get and in the
future I will see you all hopefully on the mat and ready
for a good long tough match Goodbye ...For now!!!
>:)

I do that all the time! I revert to the TKD
structure whenever I'm in trouble (but I guess everyone
does that at first). My goal is to truly understand
and appreciate the art. <br><br>It took me a while to
understand a thai kick to the leg. All I kept thinking was
"where's the snap?" When I found it...I loved it! Perhaps
it also has something to do with trying to spar
using the savate method without shoes? How much does a
pair cost, generally speaking?<br><br>I guess this is
one of those instances where "it's gotta be the
shoes" really applies! LOL!

As an extra note I just thought I would point out
that in the British Savate team team we have a guy who
used to be in the British Taekwondo team, he made the
transition very quickly, and says there are a great many
things he prefers about Savate, mainly the style of
training rather than sparring. But we have noticed that if
he gets into difficulty in a round he quickly slips
back into taekwondo, but he's doing it less and less
with time.<br><br>Keri<br><br>ps. Armando, I got back
from training late last night with a bad knee so I
forgot to ask about Cornish wrestling. Don't worry I'll
find out for next week.

There are some big differences that seperate Boxe
Francaise Savate from other "kicking styles". But please
remember that the term "Savate" we are using as a generic
term to encompass Boxe Francaise, Chausson, Savate,
etc. Chausson and Lutte Parisienne (earlier
forerunners) were almost exclusively low kicks (quite
devestating).<br><br>However there are some points that can help you
differentiate or categorize SAVATE in comparison to other
systems.<br><br>Primarily, these are:<br>1-the use of the shoe: this makes a
bigger difference than can be articulated. The use of
the shoe changes "how" you kick as well as how you
"hit". The shoe in Savate is more like a sneaker than
the soft mat shoe. <br>Remember, Savate without the
shoe is like <br>"tennis without the racket" -Prof.
Salem Assli<br><br>2-Kicking in Savate, especially as
practiced today, is "Boxing with the Feet". Again, this
seemingly simple explanation opens up a whole new paradigm
for you. This changes the stance into something more
like the Western Boxer, than the
karateka.<br><br>3-there is a greater emphasise on Punch/Kick-Kick/Punch
comboniations. They are not seen as independent of each other.
In fact, in a Boxe Francaise match, you can recieve
warnings for throw to much of one or the
other.<br><br>4-Something that was hammered home to me (pun intended) while
training in France was that there is no "kicking distance,
punching distance", the Savateur can do either from any
angle.<br><br>Ultimately, a kick is just a kick, but Savate will allow you
to explore applications that you'll find very
different.<br><br>Good luck!

Sifu Armando:<br><br>My kicking skills come
primarily from TKD. From your point of view, what
strategies/techniques from TKD crosses over to savate, & vice versa?
<br><br>For example: a reverse-turning hook kick is also used
in savate, usually (from what I've seen) as a
follow-up to a round kick (abc). However, in TKD they
implement this kick usually only after opening themselves
to the opponent (abd). <br><br>I guess what I'm
looking for is a comparison. If the shooto fighter is
"submission before position" and the bjjer is "position
before submission", how would you compare a TKDer to a
savateur?

I don't know that much, I'll ask my other half this evening I think he does, he
is also Welsh so he may be able to help with the other, so keep your eyes peeled
tomorrow.

Keri,<br>I know about Cornish Wrestling...could
you tell us more about it. I've also heard the Welsh
had their own style as well.<br><br>I've also added a
link today for GLIMA (Viking
Wrestling).<br><br><a href=http://www.diku.dk/students/novice/glima2.html
target=new>http://www.diku.dk/students/novice/glima2.html</a>

Its quite unusual to hear people discussing combat arts from England, makes a
nice change. Did you know we had a grappling art called Cornish Wrestling
though?

Sifu: don't worry I will definately make it this weekend!Need a pair of shirts
please?!Thanks,--B

Hi Armando,<br><br>There’s a difference between a
prize fight/public challenge and a duel of honor. In
England, fencers like the London Masters of Defense were
on the same low social level as actors and
frequently held their prize fights on the same
stages.<br><br>The relevant passage from Silver is when he is
complaining about the Italian habit of dueling “And also
whereas that said Vincentio (Saviolo) in that same book
has written discourses of honor and honorable
quarrels, making many reasons to prove means and ways to
enter the field and combat, both for the lie and other
disgraces, all which diabolical devices tends only to
villainy and destruction as hurting, maiming and murdering
or killing.<br><br>Animating the minds of young
gentlemen and gallants to follow those rules to maintain
their honors and credits, but the end thereof for the
most part is either killing or hanging or both to the
utter undoing and great grief of themselves and their
friends, but then to late to call it again. They consider
not the time and place that we live in, nor do not
thoroughly look into the danger of the law 'til it be too
late, and for that in divers other countries in these
things they have a larger scope than we have in these
our days.<br><br>Therefore it behoves us not upon
every abuse offered whereby our blood shall be
inflamed, or our choler kindled, presently with the sword
or with the stab, or by force of arms to seek
revenge, which is the proper nature of wild beasts in
their rage so to do, being void of the use of reason,
which thing should not be in men of discretion so much
to degenerate (denigrate), but he that will not
endure an injury, but will seek revenge, then he ought
to do it by civil order and proof, by good and
wholesome laws, which are ordained for such causes, which
is a thing far more fit and requisite in a place of
so civil a government as we live in, then is the
other, and who so follow these my admonitions shall be
accounted as valiant a man as he that fights and far wiser.
For I see no reason why a man should adventure his
life and estate upon every trifle, but should rather
put up divers abuses offered unto him, because it is
agreeable to the laws of God and our
country.”<br><br>Military matter are not my forte (But I DO see the Greg
Mele is a member here now… you want to field this one,
Greg?) but the musketeer would be armed in the field
with a ‘stiff tuck’ or perhaps some form of backsword.
<br><br>The rapier is too unwieldy to use in any kind of
military formation and too poor against armor to see any
great use in the field.<br><br>Chris

Actually, if I remember from Terry's book,
dueling was a way of promotion in the old English Schools
of defense. A candidate had to post a public
challenge of sorts in fight all-comers to demonstrate his
skill with particular weapons forms. It's a very
interesting book with lots of primary
documentation.<br><br>Wasn't the rapier a side-arm for most period troops (at
least the Guards or Musketeers, no?). I had never heard
this comment about the rapier being primarily a
dueling weapon.<br><br>This is all great stuff! I
appreciate you sharing! ALso, the links you provided to
Maestro Martinez are invaluable. He is a great resource
himself!<br><br>Armando

Well, Frank is a student of Master Terry Brown
who has a very good rep. in western martial arts.
Unfortunately, I haven't met either of them. Obviously, the
focus is on English martial arts and I don't think that
England really ever got into the idea of personal dueling
(Like Silver condemning the rapier because it was ONLY
good for dueling and useless for military war). At
least not to the degree that France did.<br><br>Chris

A little bit far! But I'll see you next month anyway!

I hope to see some of you there!

Hi All, Armando thought it would be interesting
for some of you to hear an English Female Savateuse's
ideas and experiences in Savate. I didn't know where to
begin so I though starting out would be best as the
time spent first learning an art of any kind can be
either the worst or the best depending on the club and
the people in it.<br><br>I 'fell' into Savate really.
My other half is very into any martial art he can
find, and has always tried to get me involved with
every single one! I'd try for a few weeks, but you
weren't always welcomed into the fold as it were.
Unfortunately people too often get into little groups with
their little friends, and don't like other people
coming in, especially when it means taking the time to
explain things right from the beginning. I couldn't
really understand this attitude. I thought if these
people really loved their art then why don't they want
to share it?<br><br>I decided I wasn't going to try
a new martial art until I found one that interested
me, and that my other half wouldn't have a head start
in learning. At the time I was tourist information
coordinator at a local hotel in Cambridge and within days of
making my decision a leaflet dropped onto my desk about
a martial arts academy in the area. They did a
variety of arts including Sombo and Kali, but the one
that grabbed my eye was Savate. I called and found out
the details and went the following week.<br><br>When
I walked into to the room the instructos came over
and chatted to me, explaining exactly what went on,
and the difference between Savate and other similar
arts. We moved around different partners throughout the
evening which I didn't immediately like, but could see
the advantages. Sparring was in a seperate session
later that evening with more advanced techniques, and
you were encouraged to stay and watch a session to
see what went on before trying it.<br><br>Oh well I
have to et back to work for now so another instalment
tomorrow I'm afraid. Ooh it's like a regular little story
book isn't it!<br><br>love keri -x-

Women fighters photo album added to the PHOTOS page!  If there any other
savateuse out there that have photos, please add them to our book or start your
own album!

"...Nobody has a higher opinion of Athos's
courage and skill than I have; but I prefer to hear my
sword clang against lances rather than against
staves....those fellows strike hard and don't leave off in a
hurry..."<br>D'Artagnan in THE GHREE MUSKETEERS by A. Dumas<br><br>I have
added a new album of great LA CANNE pictures. Please
visit and let us know what you think. If you have any
of your own, please add them!<br><br>Armando
Basulto<br>NJ Savate Federation

Very interesting info on English Martial
Arts.<br><br><a
href=http://www.frankdoc.in2home.co.uk/English%20Martial%20Arts.htm
target=new>http://www.frankdoc.in2home.co.uk/English%20Martial%20Arts.htm</a><br\
><br>Let us know what you think?<br><br>Armando
Basulto<br>New Jersey Savate Federation

Greetings all,<br><br>I’m new to this list and my
Savate background is limited and mostly theoretical.
However, I do have a good background in other forms of
French combat (mostly civilian/monomachia). I am
enrolled as a Master’s candidate at the Martinez Academy
of Arms in NY/NJ and serve as chef de salle for the
Jersey City practice. Among the weapons and styles that
I study there are a number of French forms (19th c.
French foil, epee, sabre and rapier (also 19th. C and
obviously different from 16th c. Italian rapier)). If
anyone is going to be in Massachusetts this Saturday,
I’ll be involved in a demonstration at the Higgins
museum detailing the differences between early and later
rapier forms.<br><br>Also, I think this may be of
interest to Tri-state area folks:<br>The Association for
Historical Fencing, in conjunction with the Martinez Academy
of Arms, is pleased to announce a Weekend of the
Smallsword to be held July 15th and 16th, 2000 at the
College of St. Peter's in Jersey City, NJ. The weekend
will begin on Saturday with a hands-on seminar
presented by Maestro Martinez. The cost for this seminar
will be $50.00 ($40.00 with proof of AHF membership).
Space is limited for this event, so please register as
early as possible. <br><br>Sunday will see the first
Smallsword Open Tournament to be offered by the AHF.
<br><br>The entrance fee for the tournament is $20.00 ($15.00
with proof of AHF membership) and PRE-REGISTRATION IS
REQUIRED TO COMPETE. No exceptions. The cut-off date for
both the seminar and the competition is June 24, 2000.
There will be refunds in the event of a weather
cancellation, but for no other reason. All competitors will
receive a registration packet in the mail as confirmation
of their reservation. There is a $5.00 door fee for
spectators. <br><br>For additional info, see
<br><a href=http://www.ahfi.org/smallsword2k/
target=new>http://www.ahfi.org/smallsword2k/</a> <br><br><br>Chris<br>(Rm.
13:4): "He beareth not
the sword in vain: for he is God's minister, an
avenger to execute wrath upon him that doth evil"

Florent and Gilles were great, they brought along
a girl as well called Virginie which was a good
opportunity for me as although we are getting more girls
involved they are obviously so far mainly beginners. If
you visit www.savate.org the UK Savate Federation
site you will see the pictures of their visit. In the
pictures of people sparring its me and Virginie in the
first picture, and that's Florent in the
second.<br><br>I don't care about losing, I'm just so nervous I'm
going to look stupid and lose really badly in front of
so many people. I think I'm mad having this as my
first major competition!<br><br>Better do some more
work<br>Keri -x-

Keri,<br>As it turns out, I trained with one of
the folks that came up to the UK to visit you guys.
When I trained with Gilles LE DUI GOU, Floren Lazare
was there as well. He is really good!<br><br>I hope
you guys had fun!<br><br>My current club is 60%
Women!<br><br>Armando Basulto<br>NJ Savate Federation

It's about time we had a club just for Savate. It will be nice to find some
other people going to Paris next month. Keep up the good work and send any UK
Savate queries this way.<br><br>Keri

NJ Savate Federation<br>and EAST COAST CENTER FOR
JEET KUNE DO<br>presents<br>Boxe Fançaise
Savate<br>with Prof. Salem Assli<br><br>-Savate 	 <br>- Boxe
Française  <br>- Lutte Parisienne <br>- La Canne<br>This seminar
will cover Boxe Francaise/Savate techniques, hand and
foot combinations and sparring drills both for the
ring and for self defense. French cane fighting (La
Canne) will also be covered.<br>Professor Salem Assli is
recognized worldwide as a leading expert in Boxe
Francaise/Savate (the French art of Foot-Fighting) and Lutte
Parisienne (Parisian Fighting). He has taught seminars in
Europe, Japan, Canada and the United States. He has been
featured on the cover of Black Belt magazine,Inside Karate
and other martial arts magazines
worldwide.<br><br>Saturday May 20th and Sunday May 21st<br>1pm to
6pm<br><br>Location: Asphalt Green, Murphy Center <br> 555 E. 90th
(enter 91st and York Avenue)<br> New York
City<br> Studio 2 		 <br> 	 <br>Fee:  $90-2 days $70-1
day<br><br>Equipment: Boxing Gloves, Focus mitts, Training shoes,
practice cane<br><br>For more information
contact:<br>Armando Basulto (212) 539-2679 or (201) 861-3772<br>or
visit our website at: <br>www.wayofnoway.com

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