This is a common problem. See the archives for other discussions
concerning bent linkage or steering rods.

Christopher Reed
Arlington, VA

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From: ryanownersclub@yahoogroups.com
To: ryanownersclub@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sat, Jun 13, 2009 6:07 am
Subject: [ryanownersclub] Digest Number 150

There are 11 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1a. Ryan Duplex Frame For Sale
From: Robert Krzewinski
1b. Re: Ryan Duplex Frame For Sale
From: Geoff Steele
1c. Re: Ryan Duplex Frame For Sale
From: joe dickman
1d. Re: Ryan Duplex Frame For Sale
From: Geoff Steele
1e. WTB: Linkage rod for '96 Vanguard
From: bikeolounger@...
1f. Re: Ryan Duplex Frame For Sale
From: joe dickman
1g. Re: Ryan Duplex Frame For Sale
From: Geoff Steele
1h. Re: WTB: Linkage rod for '96 Vanguard
From: joemccr@...
1i. Re: WTB: Linkage rod for '96 Vanguard
From: Greg Yatko
1j. Re: WTB: Linkage rod for '96 Vanguard
From: Paul Bruneau
1k. Re: WTB: Linkage rod for '96 Vanguard
From: Michael Harris


Messages
________________________________________________________________________
1a. Ryan Duplex Frame For Sale
Posted by: "Robert Krzewinski" wolverbob@... wolverbob
Date: Thu Jun 11, 2009 7:19 pm ((PDT))

This was on www.recumbents.com...
 
Bob Krzewinski
 
 














NOS Ryan Vanguard Frame & Bachetta Meshback Seat.       Price: $200
Update

I have a New Old Stock Ryan Vanguard frame and Bachetta Meshback Seat
for sale, $200.0 I bought the frame from Dick Ryan a few years ago,
with plans to set up a LWB for a family member. Interest faded, and I
have to make some room. The frame uses the original Ryan seat bracket
rail, as opposed to the new Longbikes style. I had it painted Matte
Black by a professional, no orange peel or rattlecan paint job. To go
with it I have a mint condition Bachetta seat which is included in the
asking price. Never used, just pulled off a new bike for a hardshell
seat exchange. This is perfect for a DIY person.

From:
Keith of NW Suburbs IL

E-Mail:
layzieroadie comcast.net    Phone:N/A

Placed:
6/10/2009 9:02:59 PM    Ad Id # 10383



Messages in this topic (11)
________________________________________________________________________
1b. Re: Ryan Duplex Frame For Sale
Posted by: "Geoff Steele" gstee1_4him@... geoff_steele
Date: Thu Jun 11, 2009 8:21 pm ((PDT))


Hi Bob:



Appears to be bogus ? I tried to send this person a message to the
email address shown in the ad and it bounced three times (no such
address). Figured I might pick this thing up and finish it, as I have
some parts...maybe enou
gh to complete it. If you see anything else on
it, could you let me know ?



Thanks,

Geoff







To: ryanownersclub@yahoogroups.com
From: wolverbob@...
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 19:19:18 -0700
Subject: [ryanownersclub] Ryan Duplex Frame For Sale












This was on www.recumbents.com...

Bob Krzewinski















NOS Ryan Vanguard Frame & Bachetta Meshback Seat. Price: $200
Update

I have a New Old Stock Ryan Vanguard frame and Bachetta Meshback Seat
for sale, $200.0 I bought the frame from Dick Ryan a few years ago,
with plans to set up a LWB for a family member. Interest faded, and I
have to make some room. The frame uses the original Ryan seat bracket
rail, as opposed to the new Longbikes style. I had it painted Matte
Black by a professional, no orange peel or rattlecan paint job. To go
with it I have a mint condition Bachetta seat which is included in the
asking price. Never used, just pulled off a new bike for a hardshell
seat exchange. This is perfect for a DIY person.

From:
Keith of NW Suburbs IL

E-Mail:
layzieroadie comcast.net Phone:N/A

Placed:
6/10/2009 9:02:59 PM Ad Id # 10383










Messages in this topic (11)
________________________________________________________________________
1c.
Re: Ryan Duplex Frame For Sale
Posted by: "joe dickman" joeldickman@...
Date: Fri Jun 12, 2009 1:01 am ((PDT))


The offer is definitely not bogus, though the frame is for a Ryan
Vanguard, not a Duplex.
And the frame does not include the steering linkage, special fork, and
the like.

However, if you have do-it-yourself fabrication skills, this could be a
great deal.

Safe riding,
Joel Dickman
http://lightningriders.com


To: ryanownersclub@yahoogroups.com
From: gstee1_4him@...
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 23:21:22 -0400
Subject: RE: [ryanownersclub] Ryan Duplex Frame For Sale





























Hi Bob:



Appears to be bogus ? I tried to send this person a message to the
email address shown in the ad and it bounced three times (no such
address). Figured I might pick this thing up and finish it, as I have
some parts...maybe enough to complete it. If you see anything else on
it, could you let me know ?



Thanks,

Geoff








To: ryanownersclub@yahoogroups.com
From: wolverbob@...
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 19:19:18 -0700
Subject: [ryanownersclub] Ryan Duplex Frame For Sale












This was on www.recumbents.com...

Bob Krzewinski










=0
D





NOS Ryan Vanguard Frame & Bachetta Meshback Seat. Price: $200
Update

I have a New Old Stock Ryan Vanguard frame and Bachetta Meshback Seat
for sale, $200.0 I bought the frame from Dick Ryan a few years ago,
with plans to set up a LWB for a family member. Interest faded, and I
have to make some room. The frame uses the original Ryan seat bracket
rail, as opposed to the new Longbikes style. I had it painted Matte
Black by a professional, no orange peel or rattlecan paint job. To go
with it I have a mint condition Bachetta seat which is included in the
asking price. Never used, just pulled off a new bike for a hardshell
seat exchange. This is perfect for a DIY person.

From:
Keith of NW Suburbs IL

E-Mail:
layzieroadie comcast.net Phone:N/A

Placed:
6/10/2009 9:02:59 PM Ad Id # 10383


























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1d. Re: Ryan Duplex Frame For Sale
Posted by: "Geoff Steele" gstee1_4him@... geoff_steele
Date: Fri Jun 12, 2009 6:42 am ((PDT))


Can you point me to th
e source, then ?



Thanks,

Geoff



To: ryanownersclub@yahoogroups.com
From: joeldickman@...
Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 08:00:39 +0000
Subject: RE: [ryanownersclub] Ryan Duplex Frame For Sale







The offer is definitely not bogus, though the frame is for a Ryan
Vanguard, not a Duplex.
And the frame does not include the steering linkage, special fork, and
the like.

However, if you have do-it-yourself fabrication skills, this could be a
great deal.

Safe riding,
Joel Dickman
http://lightningriders.com




To: ryanownersclub@yahoogroups.com
From: gstee1_4him@...
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 23:21:22 -0400
Subject: RE: [ryanownersclub] Ryan Duplex Frame For Sale






Hi Bob:

Appears to be bogus ? I tried to send this person a message to the
email address shown in the ad and it bounced three times (no such
address). Figured I might pick this thing up and finish it, as I have
some parts...maybe enough to complete it. If you see anything else on
it, could you let me know ?

Thanks,
Geoff






To: ryanownersclub@yahoogroups.com
From: wolverbob@...
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 19:19:18 -0700
Subject: [ryanownersclub] Ryan Duplex Frame For Sale











This was on www.recumbents.com...

Bob Krzewinski















=0
D
NOS Ryan Vanguard Frame & Bachetta Meshback Seat. Price: $200
Update

I have a New Old Stock Ryan Vanguard frame and Bachetta Meshback Seat
for sale, $200.0 I bought the frame from Dick Ryan a few years ago,
with plans to set up a LWB for a family member. Interest faded, and I
have to make some room. The frame uses the original Ryan seat bracket
rail, as opposed to the new Longbikes style. I had it painted Matte
Black by a professional, no orange peel or rattlecan paint job. To go
with it I have a mint condition Bachetta seat which is included in the
asking price. Never used, just pulled off a new bike for a hardshell
seat exchange. This is perfect for a DIY person.

From:
Keith of NW Suburbs IL

E-Mail:
layzieroadie comcast.net Phone:N/A

Placed:
6/10/2009 9:02:59 PM Ad Id # 10383






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Messages in this topic (11)
________________________________________________________________________
1e. WTB: Linkage rod for '96 Vanguard
Posted by: "bikeolounger@..." bikeolounger@...
bikeolounger
Date: Fri Jun 12, 2009 7:04 am ((PDT))

Hey, gang!

I have a '96 Vanguard (it's pictured on the group's web site, even). I
tweaked the linkage rod the other night, for I think the20third time. I
got it straight enough that the bike is rideable, and it will probably
straighten out a bit more, but I'm starting to get concerned over metal
fatigue.

The existing rod is made of metal that clearly has some malleability,
to allow for this to happen a couple times without complete failure.
I'd like to get a replacement in the garage before complete failure
visits me on this one.

Any sources for NOS rods? I have a set of spare end bearings (available
at good bearing shops, and some aviation supply houses).

Tom Armstrong, aka bikeolounger




Messages in this topic (11)
________________________________________________________________________
1f. Re: Ryan Duplex Frame For Sale
Posted by: "joe dickman" joeldickman@...
Date: Fri Jun 12, 2009 8:20 am ((PDT))


I was able to exchange email with Keith by using the layzieroadie email
address. He also posted some pictures on the WISIL site "for sale"
board, under the name Young Monkey. He posted on the forums part of the
site.

I owned a Ryan Vanguard many years ago. It was my second recumbent
bike, and I enjoyed riding it very much. My early nineties Vanguard had
a steering mechanism that was exceptionally well-made, almost a work of
industrial art. I think the later Vanguards were not as nicely crafted.

A great design, not appreciated enough by recumbent people. The newer
Longbikes Slipstream looks nice=2
0too, though I have never tested one.

If Keith's frame included the steering stuff and fork, I would buy it
myself.

Safe riding,
Joel Dickman
http://lightningriders.com

To: ryanownersclub@yahoogroups.com
From: gstee1_4him@...
Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 09:42:26 -0400
Subject: RE: [ryanownersclub] Ryan Duplex Frame For Sale





























Can you point me to the source, then ?



Thanks,

Geoff




To: ryanownersclub@yahoogroups.com
From: joeldickman@...
Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 08:00:39 +0000
Subject: RE: [ryanownersclub] Ryan Duplex Frame For Sale







The offer is definitely not bogus, though the frame is for a Ryan
Vanguard, not a Duplex.
And the frame does not include the steering linkage, special fork, and
the like.

However, if you have do-it-yourself fabrication skills, this could be a
great deal.

Safe riding,
Joel Dickman
http://lightningriders.com




To: ryanownersclub@yahoogroups.com
From: gstee1_4him@...
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 23:21:22 -0400
Subject: RE: [ryanownersclub] Ryan Duplex Frame For Sale






Hi Bob:

Appears to be bogus ? I tried to send this person a message to the
email address shown in the ad and it bounced three times (no such
address). Figured I might pick this thing up and
finish it, as I have
some parts...maybe enough to complete it. If you see anything else on
it, could you let me know ?

Thanks,
Geoff






To: ryanownersclub@yahoogroups.com
From: wolverbob@...
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 19:19:18 -0700
Subject: [ryanownersclub] Ryan Duplex Frame For Sale











This was on www.recumbents.com...

Bob Krzewinski
















NOS Ryan Vanguard Frame & Bachetta Meshback Seat. Price: $200
Update

I have a New Old Stock Ryan Vanguard frame and Bachetta Meshback Seat
for sale, $200.0 I bought the frame from Dick Ryan a few years ago,
with plans to set up a LWB for a family member. Interest faded, and I
have to make some room. The frame uses the original Ryan seat bracket
rail, as opposed to the new Longbikes style. I had it painted Matte
Black by a professional, no orange peel or rattlecan paint job. To go
with it I have a mint condition Bachetta seat which is included in the
asking price. Never used, just pulled off a new bike for a hardshell
seat exchange. This is perfect for a DIY person.

From:
Keith of NW Suburbs IL

E-Mail:
layzieroadie comcast.net Phone:N/A

Placed:
6/10/2009 9:02:59 PM Ad Id # 10383






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________________________________________________________________________
1g. Re: Ryan Duplex Frame For Sale
Posted by: "Geoff Steele" gstee1_4him@... geoff_steele
Date: Fri Jun 12, 2009 9:44 am ((PDT))


Hi Joel:



Thanks for your email. I tried the other address for Keith. I have a
Vanguard, too, and love the bike. I've been able to meet Dick Ryan a
couple of times and spent a little time with him. He was constantly
trying to tweak the Vanguard design to improve it, and some of his last
bikes (that he and his son built) were quite well done (fit and
finish-wise). The welding on the frames was superb -- very smooth and
strong joints, and the paint was great. He went through several
iterations of change on the handlebar and shifter arrangements. I rode
my Vanguard across Iowa in RAGBRAI XXXIV and it was a terrific
experience; the bike performed beautifully and got lots of attention.



If Keith's frameset is 'sound', I would consider buying it and building
it out. Because Greg Peek built the Vanguard
for Dick for a couple of
years, he would almost certainly have the required parts -- or could
make them. It would also allow for more modern upgrades (i.e. newer
seat configuration ala the Slipstream, disk brakes on both ends, etc.).
We'll see what Keith offers up. I worked in a bike store P/T and
convinced the owner to carry Greg's bikes, and they also are
superbly-built. I have ridden the Slipstream a fait bit and would buy
one in a heartbeat because of its improvements in design. Greg's
"Eliminator" model, with a shorter wheelbase, but surprisingly very
stable feel, also is an outstanding design, IMHO, and capable of
becoming a great commuter bike.



Hope you enjoy the riding this summer... Where are you located ?



Thanks...



Geoff



To: ryanownersclub@yahoogroups.com
From: joeldickman@...
Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 15:19:40 +0000
Subject: RE: [ryanownersclub] Ryan Duplex Frame For Sale







I was able to exchange email with Keith by using the layzieroadie email
address. He also posted some pictures on the WISIL site "for sale"
board, under the name Young Monkey. He posted on the forums part of the
site.

I owned a Ryan Vanguard many years ago. It was my second recumbent
bike, and I enjoyed riding it very much. My early nineties Vanguard had
a steering mechanism that was exceptionally well-made, almost a work of
indust
rial art. I think the later Vanguards were not as nicely crafted.

A great design, not appreciated enough by recumbent people. The newer
Longbikes Slipstream looks nice too, though I have never tested one.

If Keith's frame included the steering stuff and fork, I would buy it
myself.

Safe riding,
Joel Dickman
http://lightningriders.com



To: ryanownersclub@yahoogroups.com
From: gstee1_4him@...
Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 09:42:26 -0400
Subject: RE: [ryanownersclub] Ryan Duplex Frame For Sale






Can you point me to the source, then ?

Thanks,
Geoff




To: ryanownersclub@yahoogroups.com
From: joeldickman@...
Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 08:00:39 +0000
Subject: RE: [ryanownersclub] Ryan Duplex Frame For Sale






The offer is definitely not bogus, though the frame is for a Ryan
Vanguard, not a Duplex.
And the frame does not include the steering linkage, special fork, and
the like.

However, if you have do-it-yourself fabrication skills, this could be a
great deal.

Safe riding,
Joel Dickman
http://lightningriders.com




To: ryanownersclub@yahoogroups.com
From: gstee1_4him@...
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 23:21:22 -0400
Subject: RE: [ryanownersclub] Ryan Duplex Frame For Sale






Hi Bob:

Appears to be bogus ? I tried to send this person a message to the
email address shown in the ad and it bounced three times (no
such
address). Figured I might pick this thing up and finish it, as I have
some parts...maybe enough to complete it. If you see anything else on
it, could you let me know ?

Thanks,
Geoff






To: ryanownersclub@yahoogroups.com
From: wolverbob@...
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 19:19:18 -0700
Subject: [ryanownersclub] Ryan Duplex Frame For Sale











This was on www.recumbents.com...

Bob Krzewinski
















NOS Ryan Vanguard Frame & Bachetta Meshback Seat. Price: $200
Update

I have a New Old Stock Ryan Vanguard frame and Bachetta Meshback Seat
for sale, $200.0 I bought the frame from Dick Ryan a few years ago,
with plans to set up a LWB for a family member. Interest faded, and I
have to make some room. The frame uses the original Ryan seat bracket
rail, as opposed to the new Longbikes style. I had it painted Matte
Black by a professional, no orange peel or rattlecan paint job. To go
with it I have a mint condition Bachetta seat which is included in the
asking price. Never used, just pulled off a new bike for a hardshell
seat exchange. This is perfect for a DIY person.

From:
Keith of NW Suburbs IL

E-Mail:
layzieroadie comcast.net Phone:N/A

Placed:
6/10/2009 9:02:59 PM Ad Id # 10383






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1h. Re: WTB: Linkage rod for '96 Vanguard
Posted by: "joemccr@..." joemccr@... bentonerecumbent
Date: Fri Jun 12, 2009 1:28 pm ((PDT))

Hey Tom,

I MAY have something that would help you.

I recently sold my Slipstream.? I have a steering rod hanging in the
basement.? This one sustained a bend immediately after I got the bike.?
I replaced it with a new one and fortunately never bent another.

I still have the original.? It has been straightened, but only once.?
It should be quite serviceable, although not perfect.? Contact me off
the forum by Email if you think it would be of any value to you.


Alternatively, I believe that Pat Franz of Terra Cycles has made some
of these in the past.? May be expensive, but it would be a first place
replacement.

Joe

-----Original Message-----
From: bikeolounger@...
To: ryanownersclub@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 10:01 am
Subject: [ryanownersclub] WTB: Linkage rod for '96 Vanguard



Hey, gang!

?

I have a '96 Vanguard (it's pictured on the grou
p's web site, even). I
tweaked the linkage rod the other night, for I think the third time. I
got it straight enough that the bike is rideable, and it will probably
straighten out a bit more, but I'm starting to get concerned over metal
fatigue.

?

The existing rod is made of metal that clearly has some malleability,
to allow for this to happen a couple times without complete failure.
I'd like to get a replacement in the garage before complete failure
visits me on this one.

?

Any sources for NOS rods? I have a set of spare end bearings (available
at good bearing shops, and some aviation supply houses).

?

Tom Armstrong, aka bikeolounger





Messages in this topic (11)
________________________________________________________________________
1i. Re: WTB: Linkage rod for '96 Vanguard
Posted by: "Greg Yatko" gmyatko@... fleabus2003
Date: Fri Jun 12, 2009 2:23 pm ((PDT))

Hi All,

I just visited my sister-in-law. I was trying to find a serial number
on her
dad's remaining Avatar. I couldn't find one where I might have expected
on a
bottom of one of the bottom brackets. Anyone have some input? I thought
it
would be neat to know, because he was given two bikes by the Avatar
guys for
his cross country record attempt in 1982. I know this is a Ryan group
but I
figured you might not mind a rogue Avatar fan in your midst.

Thanks
,
Greg Yatko

On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 7:01 AM, <bikeolounger@...> wrote:

> Hey, gang!
>
>
>
> I have a '96 Vanguard (it's pictured on the group's web site, even). I
> tweaked the linkage rod the other night, for I think the third time.
I got
> it straight enough that the bike is rideable, and it will probably
> straighten out a bit more, but I'm starting to get concerned over
metal
> fatigue.
>
>
>
> The existing rod is made of metal that clearly has some malleability,
to
> allow for this to happen a couple times without complete failure. I'd
like
> to get a replacement in the garage before complete failure visits me
on this
> one.
>
>
>
> Any sources for NOS rods? I have a set of spare end bearings
(available at
> good bearing shops, and some aviation supply houses).
>
>
>
> Tom Armstrong, aka bikeolounger
>



--
Still,

Greg




Messages in this topic (11)
________________________________________________________________________
1j. Re: WTB: Linkage rod for '96 Vanguard
Posted by: "Paul Bruneau" paul@... ethical_paul
Date: Fri Jun 12, 2009 2:30 pm ((PDT))

Of course you are very welcome here, Greg. I hope you saw the page I
finally put up at
http://ryanownersclub.com/scrapbook/lenvreeland/

I think the number is on there somewhere, because other people in the
owners' database have reported t
heir numbers.

Try the rear dropout?

Good luck and welcome!

-Paul

On Jun 12, 2009, at 5:22 PM, Greg Yatko wrote:

>
>
> Hi All,
>
> I just visited my sister-in-law. I was trying to find a serial
> number on her dad's remaining Avatar. I couldn't find one where I
> might have expected on a bottom of one of the bottom brackets.
> Anyone have some input? I thought it would be neat to know, because
> he was given two bikes by the Avatar guys for his cross country
> record attempt in 1982. I know this is a Ryan group but I figured
> you might not mind a rogue Avatar fan in your midst.
>
> Thanks,
> Greg Yatko





Messages in this topic (11)
________________________________________________________________________
1k. Re: WTB: Linkage rod for '96 Vanguard
Posted by: "Michael Harris" mharris1052@...
michaelharris46
Date: Fri Jun 12, 2009 8:29 pm ((PDT))

Those rod ends can also be found at Mac Master Carr. I would think the
rods
may also be found there. I just don't know the size you would need.



Mike.



_____

From: ryanownersclub@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:ryanownersclub@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of bikeolounger@...
Sent: Friday, June 12, 2009 9:02 AM
To: ryanownersclub@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ryanownersclub] WTB: Linkage rod for '96 Vanguard



Hey, gang!



I have a '96 Vanguard (it's p
ictured on the group's web site, even). I
tweaked the linkage rod the other night, for I think the third time. I
got
it straight enough that the bike is rideable, and it will probably
straighten out a bit more, but I'm starting to get concerned over metal
fatigue.



The existing rod is made of metal that clearly has some malleability, to
allow for this to happen a couple times without complete failure. I'd
like
to get a replacement in the garage before complete failure visits me on
this
one.



Any sources for NOS rods? I have a set of spare end bearings (available
at
good bearing shops, and some aviation supply houses).



Tom Armstrong, aka bikeolounger





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