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#9910 From: Ariel Fournier <yehoshua30@...>
Date: Sun Nov 15, 2009 6:21 pm
Subject: Sore calves
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Hi folks,
   I've recently turned 40 and for the first time after a long run I'm now experiencing sore calves the next morning. Any tips?
Thanks!


#9909 From: Tom OReilly <riles9999@...>
Date: Sun Nov 15, 2009 4:49 pm
Subject: Re: [RVRR] Running and fertility?
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Not sure at all about fertility issues in either sex, but fit/healthy people definitely have increased libido, and
pheromone (sp?) release to attract the opposite sex (or same sex for that matter).
I'm a glass half-full kinda guy.  :-)

Tom


From: mccaffery.patrick <ehsmccaffery@...>
To: rvrr@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sat, November 14, 2009 2:28:19 PM
Subject: [RVRR] Running and fertility?

 

"Does running have an effect on male fertility?"

I was asked this question the other day and I didn't have an answer. Since some of this group has medical backgrounds, and many have vast knowledge of all things running, I was wondering if any of you have read, heard, or have any information about it.

I remember seeing a TV news report about the negative effect that playing soccer has on male reproductive functioning, but I don't remember if that was a product of the running or something else.

While I'm on the subject, anyone know about the effects on female reproduction? Besides low body fat contributing to the delay or loss of menstruation in extreme cases, is their any negative effects?

Could the effects be positive because of the improve health and metabolism for both sexes?

Thanks,
Patrick



#9908 From: "Ray Petit" <raypetit@...>
Date: Fri Nov 13, 2009 8:46 pm
Subject: RE: [RVRR] Running and fertility?
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What a fun topic for a rainy Saturday afternoon. I think overtraining lowers testosterone levels and sperm counts. I have never been accused of overtraining. You do the math.

 

rp

 

From: rvrr@yahoogroups.com [mailto:rvrr@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of mccaffery.patrick
Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2009 2:28 PM
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Subject: [RVRR] Running and fertility?

 

 

"Does running have an effect on male fertility?"

I was asked this question the other day and I didn't have an answer. Since some of this group has medical backgrounds, and many have vast knowledge of all things running, I was wondering if any of you have read, heard, or have any information about it.

I remember seeing a TV news report about the negative effect that playing soccer has on male reproductive functioning, but I don't remember if that was a product of the running or something else.

While I'm on the subject, anyone know about the effects on female reproduction? Besides low body fat contributing to the delay or loss of menstruation in extreme cases, is their any negative effects?

Could the effects be positive because of the improve health and metabolism for both sexes?

Thanks,
Patrick


#9907 From: "mccaffery.patrick" <ehsmccaffery@...>
Date: Sat Nov 14, 2009 7:28 pm
Subject: Running and fertility?
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"Does running have an effect on male fertility?"

I was asked this question the other day and I didn't have an answer. Since some
of this group has medical backgrounds, and many have vast knowledge of all
things running, I was wondering if any of you have read, heard, or have any
information about it.

I remember seeing a TV news report about the negative effect that playing soccer
has on male reproductive functioning, but I don't remember if that was a product
of the running or something else.

While I'm on the subject, anyone know about the effects on female reproduction?
Besides low body fat contributing to the delay or loss of menstruation in
extreme cases, is their any negative effects?

Could the effects be positive because of the improve health and metabolism for
both sexes?

Thanks,
Patrick

#9906 From: Gene Gugliotta <thinnmann@...>
Date: Sat Nov 14, 2009 6:25 pm
Subject: Re: [RVRR] Re: Boston
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https://registration.baa.org/2010/cf/RegAthlete/pg_WebApp.cfm

Yup.  Shucks.  Guess I am running the UNITE thingie...


~~~Gene


On Sat, Nov 14, 2009 at 1:01 PM, Edward Levy <point2runner@...> wrote:
 



> The registration for 2010 is closed or so I heard from grapewine.
>



#9905 From: Edward Levy <point2runner@...>
Date: Sat Nov 14, 2009 6:01 pm
Subject: Re: Boston
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> The registration for 2010 is closed or so I heard from grapewine.
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#9904 From: "rose_hoskins" <rose_hoskins@...>
Date: Fri Nov 13, 2009 4:05 pm
Subject: Re: Nutrition on Long Runs (M&M's vs. Goo)
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ROFL. Yep, 'fraid so. Rolf raises the good point that pretty much anything you
settle on for nutrition (candies, gels, etc.) is going to contain enough sugar
to do tooth damage if left to work post-race. I've also read suggestions to use
the next available water stop to rinse your mouth out to help prevent the "sugar
effect."

Also, the reason I'm posting now is that I *just* read an article in Runner's
World suggesting raisins as a good "in race nutrition" boost and it reminded me
of this thread. Natural carbs and supposedly less acid action on the teeth.
Might be something to try - for the electrolyte need, you could always carry a
tablet (?) or rely on the race-provided drink du jour (Gatorade, etc.).
Applicable to long runs, also.

-Rose

--- In rvrr@yahoogroups.com, Gregory Deatz <gdeatz@...> wrote:
>
> Great comments from everyone.  Thanks for the input.  Now I have to brush my
> teeth after long runs, too?  Geez.
>
> Greg
>

#9903 From: Jeannine Barbour <justjeanninenj@...>
Date: Fri Nov 13, 2009 3:42 pm
Subject: Re: [RVRR] hi,Friend!!
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Actually, this has happened to me a few times from work associates - within our firewall! You can usually tell by the crazy message that it is spam. Just don't open any additionall links!

--- On Fri, 11/13/09, Bill Hulbert <whulbert@...> wrote:

From: Bill Hulbert <whulbert@...>
Subject: Re: [RVRR] hi,Friend!!
To: rvrr@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, November 13, 2009, 6:55 AM

 
Shannon, what are you promoting?!?

Sounds like somebody got haxed.  Might want to think of changing ye's password from 123456 to something a little more progressive.

-Bill

On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 7:11 PM, Shannon Weldy <weldy76@yahoo. com> wrote:
 
Dear friend,
How are you doing recently?
I found a good website last week: www.opilas.com.
They do internationa business and they sell different kinds of electronic products. Such as laptops, digital cameras, phones, notebooks and so on. Their products are new and original and have 3 years international warranty, so we can fix the product in our own country for free. Now , the Cristmas day is coming,they are promoting their products. So the prices are very competitive. I am sure it will be a good choice for us.
Greetings!




#9902 From: Tom OReilly <riles9999@...>
Date: Fri Nov 13, 2009 3:28 pm
Subject: Re: [RVRR] hi,Friend!!
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Damn Bill... how did you know my password too?


From: Bill Hulbert <whulbert@...>
To: rvrr@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, November 13, 2009 1:55:30 AM
Subject: Re: [RVRR] hi,Friend!!

 

Shannon, what are you promoting?!?


Sounds like somebody got haxed.  Might want to think of changing ye's password from 123456 to something a little more progressive.

-Bill

On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 7:11 PM, Shannon Weldy <weldy76@yahoo. com> wrote:
 

Dear friend,
How are you doing recently?
I found a good website last week: www.opilas.com.
They do internationa business and they sell different kinds of electronic products. Such as laptops, digital cameras, phones, notebooks and so on. Their products are new and original and have 3 years international warranty, so we can fix the product in our own country for free. Now , the Cristmas day is coming,they are promoting their products. So the prices are very competitive. I am sure it will be a good choice for us.
Greetings!




#9901 From: "Pablo3200" <pablo1600@...>
Date: Fri Nov 13, 2009 2:06 pm
Subject: April 19, 2010 where will you be?
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I will be in Hopkinton, MA... the plan is as follow: Run to Boston. It's only
26.2 miles from one to the other. In fact, I think it's a race!? Crazy!

Bring your hammer, and I'll bring mine.

Mike A

#9900 From: "Judit" <juditward@...>
Date: Fri Nov 13, 2009 11:52 am
Subject: Re: Nutrition on Long Runs (M&M's vs. Goo) + brushing your teeth
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I also brush my teeth BEFORE every run :-) New to the group, I love the
collective wisdom and experience here. Any other crazy running rituals to share?
You never know, one runner's craze is someone else's panacea... Thanks.

Judit

--- In rvrr@yahoogroups.com, Gregory Deatz <gdeatz@...> wrote:

>  Now I have to brush my teeth after long runs, too?  Geez.
>
> Greg

#9899 From: Bill Hulbert <whulbert@...>
Date: Fri Nov 13, 2009 6:55 am
Subject: Re: [RVRR] hi,Friend!!
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Shannon, what are you promoting?!?

Sounds like somebody got haxed.  Might want to think of changing ye's password from 123456 to something a little more progressive.

-Bill

On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 7:11 PM, Shannon Weldy <weldy76@...> wrote:
 

Dear friend,
How are you doing recently?
I found a good website last week: www.opilas.com.
They do internationa business and they sell different kinds of electronic products. Such as laptops, digital cameras, phones, notebooks and so on. Their products are new and original and have 3 years international warranty, so we can fix the product in our own country for free. Now , the Cristmas day is coming,they are promoting their products. So the prices are very competitive. I am sure it will be a good choice for us.
Greetings!



#9898 From: Shannon Weldy <weldy76@...>
Date: Fri Nov 13, 2009 12:11 am
Subject: hi,Friend!!
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Dear friend,
How are you doing recently?
I found a good website last week: www.opilas.com.
They do internationa business and they sell different kinds of electronic products. Such as laptops, digital cameras, phones, notebooks and so on. Their products are new and original and have 3 years international warranty, so we can fix the product in our own country for free. Now , the Cristmas day is coming,they are promoting their products. So the prices are very competitive. I am sure it will be a good choice for us.
Greetings!


#9897 From: Gregory Deatz <gdeatz@...>
Date: Thu Nov 12, 2009 7:54 pm
Subject: Re: [RVRR] Re: Nutrition on Long Runs (M&M's vs. Goo)
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Great comments from everyone.  Thanks for the input.  Now I have to brush my teeth after long runs, too?  Geez.

Greg

On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 9:49 AM, <trailmeister@...> wrote:
 

Countless fillings later, I've had to learn to bring a toothbrush
and brush my teeth IMMEDIATELY after long runs, as the
continual dosing of sugar across my teeth from six Ironmans,
three marathons, and so on has been ... well ... my dentist
has a new wing now.

-Rolf




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#9896 From: Gene Gugliotta <thinnmann@...>
Date: Thu Nov 12, 2009 7:36 pm
Subject: Re: [RVRR] Pictues
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If anyone has RVRR event pictures and wants to upload them to http://rvrr.fotki.com

let me know and I will tell them how to do it.

~~~Gene


On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 2:34 PM, <raypetit@...> wrote:
 

Website looks great. Am I the only one to notice that WE aren't uploading new pictures? This has nothing to do with the great job Bill is doing.

Rp


#9895 From: raypetit@...
Date: Thu Nov 12, 2009 7:34 pm
Subject: Re: [RVRR] Pictues
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Website looks great. Am I the only one to notice that WE aren't uploading new pictures? This has nothing to do with the great job Bill is doing.

Rp

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From: Gene Gugliotta <thinnmann@...>
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2009 13:05:37 -0500
To: <rvrr@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [RVRR] Pictues

 

Website not irrelevant!  Brings in a lot of new people.  Mr. Hulbert: keep it fresh, you have nothing else to do  ;)


Yes, upload everything to Fotki!


~~~Gene


On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 7:27 AM, Ray Petit <raypetit@comcast.net> wrote:
 

Oleg took some great pictures of East Brunswick Road Races that are loaded on http://ebrr.org/

 

Equally great pictures of NYC Marathon 2009 loaded on Face Book. Club should decide if we want to load them on rvrr.org , as well. Our website is in danger of becoming irrelevant unless we add content to it. I’m pretty certain that the Anniversary Picture is from Summer, 2008.

 

Ray



#9894 From: Gene Gugliotta <thinnmann@...>
Date: Thu Nov 12, 2009 6:05 pm
Subject: Re: [RVRR] Pictues
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Website not irrelevant!  Brings in a lot of new people.  Mr. Hulbert: keep it fresh, you have nothing else to do  ;)

Yes, upload everything to Fotki!


~~~Gene


On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 7:27 AM, Ray Petit <raypetit@...> wrote:
 

Oleg took some great pictures of East Brunswick Road Races that are loaded on http://ebrr.org/

 

Equally great pictures of NYC Marathon 2009 loaded on Face Book. Club should decide if we want to load them on rvrr.org , as well. Our website is in danger of becoming irrelevant unless we add content to it. I’m pretty certain that the Anniversary Picture is from Summer, 2008.

 

Ray



#9893 From: "lazarusd" <LAZARUSD@...>
Date: Thu Nov 12, 2009 3:37 pm
Subject: Re: Pictues
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Thanks Oleg. Great job on a tough day.

#9892 From: trailmeister@...
Date: Thu Nov 12, 2009 2:49 pm
Subject: Re: Nutrition on Long Runs (M&M's vs. Goo)
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Countless fillings later, I've had to learn to bring a toothbrush
and brush my teeth IMMEDIATELY after long runs, as the
continual dosing of sugar across my teeth from six Ironmans,
three marathons, and so on has been ... well ... my dentist
has a new wing now.

-Rolf

#9891 From: "Ray Petit" <raypetit@...>
Date: Wed Nov 11, 2009 12:27 pm
Subject: Pictues
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Oleg took some great pictures of East Brunswick Road Races that are loaded on http://ebrr.org/

 

Equally great pictures of NYC Marathon 2009 loaded on Face Book. Club should decide if we want to load them on rvrr.org , as well. Our website is in danger of becoming irrelevant unless we add content to it. I’m pretty certain that the Anniversary Picture is from Summer, 2008.

 

Ray


#9890 From: Dan Bucci <booch82@...>
Date: Thu Nov 12, 2009 12:17 am
Subject: Re: [RVRR] Re: Nutrition on Long Runs (M&M's vs. Goo)
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The nice things about the gels is that they do have electrolytes, which you don't really get from the candy.

Cliff makes a nice alternative to the goo - Shot Blocks.  They come in packs of six small jelly blocks, and are basically like eating gummy bears.  They are easy to eat, easy to carry, not messy like the goo, and have the same types of nutrients.  I find they taste a bit better, and are not as harsh on the stomach as the shots can be.  They come in varieties with or without caffeine depending on your preference.  Three Shot Blocks is basically equal to one Cliff Shot, so a package of six has the equivalent calories/electrolytes of one Cliff Shot.  Downside is these are harder to find...most supermarkets don't carry these, but I'm sure some nutrition stores have them.  If you live near a Wegman's, I know for sure that they carry them. 

While they may not taste as good as M&M's, just thought I'd offer the suggestion :).

-Dan
On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 5:45 PM, rose_hoskins <rose_hoskins@...> wrote:
 

I do reasonably well with gels (GU, Power Gels, Clif Shots), but I also like the Gatorade Sports Beans. Basically, they're jelly beans with electrolytes. You can find them with or without caffeine. In my best marathon, I used 2 gels and 2 sports beans packs for variety and that worked well for me. Note, while I think the sports beans pack well, they do make some noise as you run.

Good luck in the search to find what works for you.

-Rose



--- In rvrr@yahoogroups.com, Gregory Deatz <gdeatz@...> wrote:
>
> So, two weeks ago, I ran the NYC Marathon. What an experience! I brought
> plenty of goo with me, but luckily enough, tons of people were handing out
> bananas, which were much tastier and more inspirational for such a long
> run. Anyway, the course took me over four hours to complete, and in that
> time, I was reminded how much I really dislike goo, especially relative to
> bananas.
>
> I realized I had a problem, though: I like bananas better, but my belt
> isn't big enough to carry enough. Goo is highly portable, but it is so
> sweet and still so icky (by my standards) that eating it is a chore.
>
> Fast forward to this past Sunday, when I was doing just the opposite of a
> long run. I was raiding my kids' Halloween stashes, and I happened upon
> some M&M's. Wow. They were really good, and I made a comment to my
> brother-in-law -- You know, they melt in your mouth, not in your hands! And
> then I was reminded of a story that Mars developed M&M's for the military,
> as a way to deliver high calories, but without excessive mess. I looked at
> the package of M&M's, and the calorie content for this relatively small bag
> of M&M's was 240, almost 3x the calorie content of goo.
>
> For the first time in my life, I think I was encouraged by the thought of
> M&M's being so high in calories, and I thought -- Gee, maybe it would be
> more pleasant to take M&M's with me on my long runs. I mean, bananas are
> just too big, and I really dislike goo. And, after all, they might be
> messy, but I could probably figure out a way to keep them in a fanny pack
> and just pour them in my mouth. They'd still be ridiculously sweet, but
> maybe they wouldn't taste as bad.
>
> So... here's the question: Anyone ever dabble with bringing regular ol'
> candy on their long runs? M&M's? Anyone know of any real drawback to
> this? Goo (and by extension Powerbars and the like) seem like candy
> packaged to look healthy, but still just candy. Thoughts, anyone?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Greg
>



#9889 From: daveschatz@...
Date: Wed Nov 11, 2009 5:55 pm
Subject: Re: [RVRR] Great day at Giralda Farms...
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Yes, Eric is very into the running circuit (races on weekends).  He also coaches cross country at HP H.S.  Good runner, and another committed coach.
 
Good reminder on the Big Chill being the day before the 10 mile - Grand Finale, in Mercer County Park.  I'm looking right at it on my calendar, but I guess it's too far off, for it to have sunken in, for me.  Oh well, I still have my toy ready for the registration fee - it's the right fee - a wrapped toy, right?  Good to hear from you.  Dave
 
In a message dated 11/10/2009 1:07:02 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, raypetit@... writes:
 

Dave:

Thanks for the update. I didn’t know Eric ran for our team.  I guess you know you committed to two races on the same weekend -  the Big Chill and the 10 miler.

Ray

From: rvrr@yahoogroups.com [mailto:rvrr@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of daveschatz@aol.com
Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 10:11 PM
To: rvrr@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [RVRR] Great day at Giralda Farms...

 

Yesterday was my first time running at Giralda, I ran the 10K for the RVRR Masters men 40 team.  From a look at the results, we placed 3rd.  I myself did not wind up scoring but was quite pleased with my chip time of:  44.02.  The weather was a gift, but possibly a bit too hot.  My  team member, Thomas Yakowenko, placed 3rd in his age group, with a gun time of 35:40.  Good Job!  

The RVRR 50's team also came in 3rd, behind Shore AC, and Rose City Runners.  However, the RVRR 60 team scored #1  Good Job! 

Thanks to my team captain, John Kane, for great e-mail communication concerning all the races.  And Thomas Y., I did not realize you turned in the roster until seeing my email today -thanks (John did not run yesterday).  Also, a special thanks to Bob Jorissen for driving myself and team member, Eric Davis, to the race.  What a crowd, I didn't know this race was so large. 

Hope it's not too cold for the 10 miler in Mercer County Park on December 13th.  This year I'll renew my USTF membership before the race there. 


#9888 From: "rose_hoskins" <rose_hoskins@...>
Date: Wed Nov 11, 2009 10:45 pm
Subject: Re: Nutrition on Long Runs (M&M's vs. Goo)
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I do reasonably well with gels (GU, Power Gels, Clif Shots), but I also like the
Gatorade Sports Beans. Basically, they're jelly beans with electrolytes. You can
find them with or without caffeine. In my best marathon, I used 2 gels and 2
sports beans packs for variety and that worked well for me. Note, while I think
the sports beans pack well, they do make some noise as you run.

Good luck in the search to find what works for you.

-Rose

--- In rvrr@yahoogroups.com, Gregory Deatz <gdeatz@...> wrote:
>
> So, two weeks ago, I ran the NYC Marathon.  What an experience!  I brought
> plenty of goo with me, but luckily enough, tons of people were handing out
> bananas, which were much tastier and more inspirational for such a long
> run.  Anyway, the course took me over four hours to complete, and in that
> time, I was reminded how much I really dislike goo, especially relative to
> bananas.
>
> I realized I had a problem, though:  I like bananas better, but my belt
> isn't big enough to carry enough.  Goo is highly portable, but it is so
> sweet and still so icky (by my standards) that eating it is a chore.
>
> Fast forward to this past Sunday, when I was doing just the opposite of a
> long run.  I was raiding my kids' Halloween stashes, and I happened upon
> some M&M's.  Wow.  They were really good, and I made a comment to my
> brother-in-law -- You know, they melt in your mouth, not in your hands!  And
> then I was reminded of a story that Mars developed M&M's for the military,
> as a way to deliver high calories, but without excessive mess.  I looked at
> the package of M&M's, and the calorie content for this relatively small bag
> of M&M's was 240, almost 3x the calorie content of goo.
>
> For the first time in my life, I think I was encouraged by the thought of
> M&M's being so high in calories, and I thought -- Gee, maybe it would be
> more pleasant to take M&M's with me on my long runs.  I mean, bananas are
> just too big, and I really dislike goo.  And, after all, they might be
> messy, but I could probably figure out a way to keep them in a fanny pack
> and just pour them in my mouth.  They'd still be ridiculously sweet, but
> maybe they wouldn't taste as bad.
>
> So... here's the question:  Anyone ever dabble with bringing regular ol'
> candy on their long runs?  M&M's?  Anyone know of any real drawback to
> this?  Goo (and by extension Powerbars and the like) seem like candy
> packaged to look healthy, but still just candy.  Thoughts, anyone?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Greg
>

#9887 From: Gene Gugliotta <thinnmann@...>
Date: Wed Nov 11, 2009 10:03 pm
Subject: Re: [RVRR] Re: Nutrition on Long Runs (M&M's vs. Goo)
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The key is to train with what you you are going to race with, so you are used to it.  Try not to take just random stuff that people hand out at long races.

PowerBar Gels and Gatorade work well for me.

But anything that works for you and packs well for you might be fine.  But train with it to make sure it works better than plain water.  Experiment.  You might need electrolytes more than calories.  So try some products that only supply those.  (Zym and Saltstick Caps work for me.)

As far as M&M's - I just don't see them packing well for long runs or bike rides.

In the old days - 1975 - 1982 - defizzed Coke was the only thing we had for marathon nutrition!  And I recall it worked just fine.  Not many TdF riders finish a day without some Coke or similar soft drink in their musette bag.

Some ultra runners prefer good old peanutbutter & jelly sandwiches.  Skiing magazine ran a great comparison piece that compared a PowerBar to a PBJ, and the results were close.  PowerBar won out because of its packability.  I can't seem to find that online, but I did find that  Men's Health has the PBJ scored as winner for post-workout food.

so that is mytwocents


#9886 From: "lianneprice" <lianneprice@...>
Date: Wed Nov 11, 2009 8:57 pm
Subject: Re: Nutrition on Long Runs (M&M's vs. Goo)
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I also find it hard to stomach the consistency and taste of goo gels!

I have never tried chocolate because of the melt-factor, but anything with
simple sugars should give you a little boost. My favorites for long runs (and
also before quick workouts/races) are a palmful of Skittles, jelly beans, candy
corn, or raisins. I've read that pumpkin seeds are also a great mid-race option
because they are loaded with iron and protein, but I have never tried them.

Hope you find this helpful!

--- In rvrr@yahoogroups.com, Gregory Deatz <gdeatz@...> wrote:
>
> So, two weeks ago, I ran the NYC Marathon.  What an experience!  I brought
> plenty of goo with me, but luckily enough, tons of people were handing out
> bananas, which were much tastier and more inspirational for such a long
> run.  Anyway, the course took me over four hours to complete, and in that
> time, I was reminded how much I really dislike goo, especially relative to
> bananas.
>
> I realized I had a problem, though:  I like bananas better, but my belt
> isn't big enough to carry enough.  Goo is highly portable, but it is so
> sweet and still so icky (by my standards) that eating it is a chore.
>
> Fast forward to this past Sunday, when I was doing just the opposite of a
> long run.  I was raiding my kids' Halloween stashes, and I happened upon
> some M&M's.  Wow.  They were really good, and I made a comment to my
> brother-in-law -- You know, they melt in your mouth, not in your hands!  And
> then I was reminded of a story that Mars developed M&M's for the military,
> as a way to deliver high calories, but without excessive mess.  I looked at
> the package of M&M's, and the calorie content for this relatively small bag
> of M&M's was 240, almost 3x the calorie content of goo.
>
> For the first time in my life, I think I was encouraged by the thought of
> M&M's being so high in calories, and I thought -- Gee, maybe it would be
> more pleasant to take M&M's with me on my long runs.  I mean, bananas are
> just too big, and I really dislike goo.  And, after all, they might be
> messy, but I could probably figure out a way to keep them in a fanny pack
> and just pour them in my mouth.  They'd still be ridiculously sweet, but
> maybe they wouldn't taste as bad.
>
> So... here's the question:  Anyone ever dabble with bringing regular ol'
> candy on their long runs?  M&M's?  Anyone know of any real drawback to
> this?  Goo (and by extension Powerbars and the like) seem like candy
> packaged to look healthy, but still just candy.  Thoughts, anyone?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Greg
>

#9885 From: Shannon McGinn <mekasan2@...>
Date: Wed Nov 11, 2009 9:00 pm
Subject: RE: [RVRR] Nutrition on Long Runs (M&M's vs. Goo)
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I really like chocolate covered espresso beans and/or chocolate covered raisins.  I tend to mix them together in a baggy and take them on long runs or have then handy in ultras.  In addition to candy, just real food sometimes is nice..  
 
For ex: I just ran a 50 mile race in 9:22 (11:15 pace) where the bulk of my fuel was gu (1-2 per hr)/ shot bloks, bottle of coconut water, a few s-caps, and in btw each 12.5 mile loop, i ate a little real food some banana bread, cookies, chips.  However, mid-loop on lap 3 about 34 miles in, I also did about 4 shots (a double of jameson at AS#1 and a double of Peppermint Schnapps at AS#2) and after that kicked in my pace actually dropped (lol)... but you may not want to try that at home.. lol
 
Have fun, experiment.
 

To: rvrr@yahoogroups.com
From: grussano@...
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 15:37:27 -0500
Subject: RE: [RVRR] Nutrition on Long Runs (M&M's vs. Goo)

 
Greg,
Unfortunately, I still haven't found any gels my stomach can tolerate so I usually take swedish fish or gummi bears (candy corn around Halloween).  All my long run and races are done with candy and gatorade.  The only negative to the candy-they get stuck in your teeth!  I still think gels are easier and probably work better if you can tolerate them.
 
FYI-nothing really tastes good at mile 20 IMO:(
Kendra
 


 
To: rvrr@yahoogroups.com
From: gdeatz@gmail.com
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 15:01:40 -0500
Subject: [RVRR] Nutrition on Long Runs (M&M's vs. Goo)

 
So, two weeks ago, I ran the NYC Marathon.  What an experience!  I brought plenty of goo with me, but luckily enough, tons of people were handing out bananas, which were much tastier and more inspirational for such a long run.  Anyway, the course took me over four hours to complete, and in that time, I was reminded how much I really dislike goo, especially relative to bananas.

I realized I had a problem, though:  I like bananas better, but my belt isn't big enough to carry enough.  Goo is highly portable, but it is so sweet and still so icky (by my standards) that eating it is a chore.

Fast forward to this past Sunday, when I was doing just the opposite of a long run.  I was raiding my kids' Halloween stashes, and I happened upon some M&M's.  Wow.  They were really good, and I made a comment to my brother-in-law -- You know, they melt in your mouth, not in your hands!  And then I was reminded of a story that Mars developed M&M's for the military, as a way to deliver high calories, but without excessive mess.  I looked at the package of M&M's, and the calorie content for this relatively small bag of M&M's was 240, almost 3x the calorie content of goo.

For the first time in my life, I think I was encouraged by the thought of M&M's being so high in calories, and I thought -- Gee, maybe it would be more pleasant to take M&M's with me on my long runs.  I mean, bananas are just too big, and I really dislike goo.  And, after all, they might be messy, but I could probably figure out a way to keep them in a fanny pack and just pour them in my mouth.  They'd still be ridiculously sweet, but maybe they wouldn't taste as bad.

So... here's the question:  Anyone ever dabble with bringing regular ol' candy on their long runs?  M&M's?  Anyone know of any real drawback to this?  Goo (and by extension Powerbars and the like) seem like candy packaged to look healthy, but still just candy.  Thoughts, anyone?

Thanks,

Greg



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#9884 From: gregory russano <grussano@...>
Date: Wed Nov 11, 2009 8:37 pm
Subject: RE: [RVRR] Nutrition on Long Runs (M&M's vs. Goo)
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Greg,
Unfortunately, I still haven't found any gels my stomach can tolerate so I usually take swedish fish or gummi bears (candy corn around Halloween).  All my long run and races are done with candy and gatorade.  The only negative to the candy-they get stuck in your teeth!  I still think gels are easier and probably work better if you can tolerate them.
 
FYI-nothing really tastes good at mile 20 IMO:(
Kendra
 


 
To: rvrr@yahoogroups.com
From: gdeatz@...
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 15:01:40 -0500
Subject: [RVRR] Nutrition on Long Runs (M&M's vs. Goo)

 
So, two weeks ago, I ran the NYC Marathon.  What an experience!  I brought plenty of goo with me, but luckily enough, tons of people were handing out bananas, which were much tastier and more inspirational for such a long run.  Anyway, the course took me over four hours to complete, and in that time, I was reminded how much I really dislike goo, especially relative to bananas.

I realized I had a problem, though:  I like bananas better, but my belt isn't big enough to carry enough.  Goo is highly portable, but it is so sweet and still so icky (by my standards) that eating it is a chore.

Fast forward to this past Sunday, when I was doing just the opposite of a long run.  I was raiding my kids' Halloween stashes, and I happened upon some M&M's.  Wow.  They were really good, and I made a comment to my brother-in-law -- You know, they melt in your mouth, not in your hands!  And then I was reminded of a story that Mars developed M&M's for the military, as a way to deliver high calories, but without excessive mess.  I looked at the package of M&M's, and the calorie content for this relatively small bag of M&M's was 240, almost 3x the calorie content of goo.

For the first time in my life, I think I was encouraged by the thought of M&M's being so high in calories, and I thought -- Gee, maybe it would be more pleasant to take M&M's with me on my long runs.  I mean, bananas are just too big, and I really dislike goo.  And, after all, they might be messy, but I could probably figure out a way to keep them in a fanny pack and just pour them in my mouth.  They'd still be ridiculously sweet, but maybe they wouldn't taste as bad.

So... here's the question:  Anyone ever dabble with bringing regular ol' candy on their long runs?  M&M's?  Anyone know of any real drawback to this?  Goo (and by extension Powerbars and the like) seem like candy packaged to look healthy, but still just candy.  Thoughts, anyone?

Thanks,

Greg



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#9883 From: Gregory Deatz <gdeatz@...>
Date: Wed Nov 11, 2009 8:01 pm
Subject: Nutrition on Long Runs (M&M's vs. Goo)
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So, two weeks ago, I ran the NYC Marathon.  What an experience!  I brought plenty of goo with me, but luckily enough, tons of people were handing out bananas, which were much tastier and more inspirational for such a long run.  Anyway, the course took me over four hours to complete, and in that time, I was reminded how much I really dislike goo, especially relative to bananas.

I realized I had a problem, though:  I like bananas better, but my belt isn't big enough to carry enough.  Goo is highly portable, but it is so sweet and still so icky (by my standards) that eating it is a chore.

Fast forward to this past Sunday, when I was doing just the opposite of a long run.  I was raiding my kids' Halloween stashes, and I happened upon some M&M's.  Wow.  They were really good, and I made a comment to my brother-in-law -- You know, they melt in your mouth, not in your hands!  And then I was reminded of a story that Mars developed M&M's for the military, as a way to deliver high calories, but without excessive mess.  I looked at the package of M&M's, and the calorie content for this relatively small bag of M&M's was 240, almost 3x the calorie content of goo.

For the first time in my life, I think I was encouraged by the thought of M&M's being so high in calories, and I thought -- Gee, maybe it would be more pleasant to take M&M's with me on my long runs.  I mean, bananas are just too big, and I really dislike goo.  And, after all, they might be messy, but I could probably figure out a way to keep them in a fanny pack and just pour them in my mouth.  They'd still be ridiculously sweet, but maybe they wouldn't taste as bad.

So... here's the question:  Anyone ever dabble with bringing regular ol' candy on their long runs?  M&M's?  Anyone know of any real drawback to this?  Goo (and by extension Powerbars and the like) seem like candy packaged to look healthy, but still just candy.  Thoughts, anyone?

Thanks,

Greg

#9882 From: "ken_mangin" <ken_mangin@...>
Date: Wed Nov 11, 2009 7:44 pm
Subject: Big Chill Registration
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Registration for the Big Chill 5k is now open.  I have created a team called RVRR and Friends.  When you register, select the "I want to register as a member of a team" option.  After completing the rest of the form, a new page will come up with a list of teams.  Just select RVRR and Friends and you will be part of the team.

Here is a link to the registration page:

http://bigchill.rutgers.edu/Register.html

Let me know of any questions or comments.

Ken


#9881 From: Suzan Hemstock <suzan_hemstock@...>
Date: Wed Nov 11, 2009 12:19 am
Subject: Re: [RVRR] Big Chill
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Hi Ken,

I do it every year and will sign up again this year.  Love running in the cold!
 
See yout there!

Suzan

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From: ken_mangin <ken_mangin@...>
Subject: [RVRR] Big Chill
To: rvrr@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, November 9, 2009, 4:23 PM

 
Registration for the Big Chill, a charity race to help kids, opens this Wednesday.  We had a team of about 40 people participate in this event last year and I am hoping to get at least that many if not more participants this year.
The 5k race is being held on Saturday, December 12 at the Rutgers College Ave. gym.  It is a unique event in that the registration fee is an unwrapped holiday gift for a child.  Last year over 4,200 people participated and the charity collected over 5,000 gifts.  All of the gifts are piled on the stage in the gym and seeing all of the presents gets everyone into the holiday spirit.
When registration opens on Wednesday I will set up a team called RVRR and Friends.  As the name implies, I hope to get RVRR members as well as non-members to participate.  Last year some club members brought their children to the race and some others brought their friends.  The registration page is not up yet so I can't tell you all of the details but when oyu sign up there will be a place where you can select your team.  I will provide more details when I see how registration is set up this year.  Please note that the race draws a large number of slow runners and walkers as well as the more competitive types so everyone should be able to participate. 
For further details, check out the event website: bigchill.rutgers. edu/Welcome. html
Let me know of any comments or questions.
Ken
   


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