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#57732 From: znny1031@...
Date: Sun Feb 1, 2004 6:33 am
Subject: Re: mare for meat 		wckdprincess04
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       That is just disgusting...I'm glad that I haven't been reading this thread. BTW, most sects of Pagans would consider sacrificing an animal HIGHLY against their beliefs. Even satanists, don't believe in animal sacrifice. Satan worshippers do, and no a Satanist DOES NOT worship Satan. I just had to state that..as I myself am Pagan..and am thoroughly disgusted by the thought of even animal neglect. Thanks

       Kayla

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#57731 From: "Lara Leigh" <LaraLeigh@...>
Date: Sat Jan 31, 2004 5:13 am
Subject: Re: Re: About curing cribbing [air gulping] 		LaraLeigh@...
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And also damage to their teeth if they crib and grip hard - they can have
weight problems due to that - so cribbing itself is nto really the culprit
but it is the things that cribbing can do that are.  If you have a cribber,
it is not the end of the world - I know many successful show horses that are
cribbers - you just have to try to eliminate things for them to crib on - do
what you can to discourage it - have their teeth done regularly... keep them
exercised and not hanging around bored.  My horse Storm cribs when stressed
out - he cribs all the time but the worst is when he is stressed out.

-Lara

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#57730 From: "Lara Leigh" <LaraLeigh@...>
Date: Sat Jan 31, 2004 5:08 am
Subject: Re: virus alert 		LaraLeigh@...
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I keep getting this type of email - my computer cleans it up every time so I
am just getting these messages saying messages are beign sent to me but were
cleaned.  I am getting them on a different computer to a different email
address so I guess something is going around?

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> hi all, i just got a message with a virus. as i only
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#57729 From: "Marie Kemp" <mfkemp@...>
Date: Sat Jan 31, 2004 8:51 pm
Subject: Re: mare for meat 		friendkemp
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Here's some more of the story.  The farm owner has been embroiled in legal battles of her own for the past 3 years, with an ex-fiance, ex-business partner, con-man, who tied up her breeding business, ruined her credit, and wreaked havoc on her life.  There is still a possibility that she could lose the farm, if he is able to continue to drag this out much longer.  She has 30 horses including a stallion and 2 pregnant mares.  There is nowhere for her to go with all these horses should something happen with the farm.
She has now gotten word back from her lawyer that he can find nothing illegal in the state of Wisconsin in what the woman is planning.  The woman says the horse will be humanely killed.  From what I know of this woman, if we tried to do anything outside the boundaries of the law, there would be retribution....big time.  She seems to be well-versed in the law.  We are barely hanging on right now, and we can't afford to do something that could jeopardize our situation any further, we have 30 horses that need us.  It's probably much easier to be radical when your survival, and the survival of your entire horse herd is not on the line.
Also if we did try something we would be branded as "anti-slaughter radicals" that are trying to take away peoples rights to do what they want with their horses.  The pro-slaughter people would love it, "taking away rights" is a big issue for them.
This woman is also boarding her stallion with us, and before you say "kick him out"....he is for sale, and if she leaves him with us we will do everything in our power to help get him sold, and out of her hands.  If we can't help the mare, maybe we can help her son. 
We don't have a legal leg to stand on, we tried to buy her, but the $20,000.00 figure she has now come up with is not only way out of line, but way beyond our means, and I don't think that I want to deal with an extortionist anyway.  Someone is supposed to be coming for the mare today.  I will make a standing offer to buy the mare if she should change her mind.
(I kind of like cranky old lady mares)  I don't think she will.  I think she will go through with it as much to distress us, as for whatever the original reasons were.
This has been a really bad month.  I want to thank everyone who has responded to this issue,whatever your point of view.  I think that it really helped us work through it, and not get ourselves into a huge mess.
Marie
 

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#57728 From: Tunis3288@...
Date: Sat Jan 31, 2004 2:05 pm
Subject: check this site out!!! Thoroughbred horses for sale in PA 		tunis562
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all horses are thoroughbred adn are located in PA. take a look at the site.

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if interested in any of the horses call 610-207-0588 (Reena) or email me at Tunis3288@...

thanks for checking out the site

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#57727 From: Carrie Everhart <cwallick@...>
Date: Sat Jan 31, 2004 5:38 pm
Subject: Re: virus alert 		cwallick
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YEs there is a virus going around the SUbject line
will say Hi, Hey or Test usually.  I opened one that
said Test (thinking it had to do with a dressage test
I was planning to ride), and got the virus.  However,
Norton cleaned it off my mcahine, there is a LOT of
nasty stuff going around right now, be careful waht
you open!

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#57726 From: jodi moen <jodisbreeze2000@...>
Date: Sat Jan 31, 2004 5:24 pm
Subject: virus alert 		jodisbreeze2000
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hi all, i just got a message with a virus. as i only
get horse stuff on this address figured i'd let you
know. the addy came from oliviavogel@... believe
the message is just hi.

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#57725 From: jodi moen <jodisbreeze2000@...>
Date: Sat Jan 31, 2004 5:18 pm
Subject: mare for meat 		jodisbreeze2000
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hey all, i haven't been watching this whole thread but
saw the last couple of post's on. I gather basically,
a woman is telling people she is going to either eat
her horse or sacrafice it in a pagan ritual. I was an
animal control off icer for five years and my
suggestion would be to contact your local police
department and report that she stated the animal is to
be killed in a pagan ritual, basically this would most
likely be viewed as a satanic ritual and would be
highly illegal and i would suspect the local
authorities would take it most seriously and
investigate it pronto. Sure, she could threaten to sue
you for slander but there are two problems with that
in addition to the ones someone else mentioned. first
would be that as long as you make the complaint in
good faith about the well being of the horse with no
malicious intentions she can't do a dang thing about
it. I investigated hundreds of complaints like these.
As far as the slander is concerned and her statement
the horse is worth $20,000 as far as most enforcement
agencies the horse would be worth only what its
slaughter value would be. Again I investigated many
complaints of livestock injured or killed by dogs etc
and although some people would say the calf or the
chicken was worth hundreds or thousand of dollars they
would only get reimbursed what they would be worth at
slaughter. My concern is that if this woman is
claiming to want to kill this horse for a ritual has
she killed any others? I guess if it were me, I would
go to the police or humane enforcement, but of course
I don't know the whole situation. I hope this works
out for the poor horse. Jodi

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#57724 From: SBmarino@...
Date: Sat Jan 31, 2004 11:03 am
Subject: Re:ulcers and causes 		sbmarino4
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Mandy
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For years and years and years no one ever thought to treat an ulcer and for all those years horses lived just as long as they do now.


   This, I'm afraid, is not a valid explanation.  First of all, horses most likely DIDN'T live as long as they do today, just like people didn't, but there was no media which send information around the globe like a forest fire.
  Our environment has changed; lots of chemicals in everything we don't see or know about.  Preservatives are bad news, and who knows what farmers put on their land to grow the crops.  The less 'junkfood' you can put into your horse, the better you and your horse will be off.  Too many horses get too much improper food and inadequate attention and exercise and/or turn out.  Horses, like people, are herd animals and need socialization for both their mental and physical health.  Fortunately, a horse can replace its need for socialization with other horses with that of humans, one reason why they are very trainable. Keep your horse happy, and you will have a healthy horse for life.  Easier said than done today, of course. 
   I wonder how many different owners the average horse has today.

Sabine
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#57723 From: SBmarino@...
Date: Sat Jan 31, 2004 10:55 am
Subject: Re:ulcers 		sbmarino4
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In foals too because they develop so quickly and are put into work so quickly that they are given some sort of diet that any other foal wouldn't even dream of.


  If foals are left alone and grow up alongside their dams and in a peaceful situation, there is no reason for them to develop ulcers.  It's all that intensive handling and overfeeding and whatnot for the sake of whatever that causes foals to get stressed to the point where they develop ulcers.  This condition is very preventable.

Sabine

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#57722 From: Gerry Trupia <newyorkequineregister@...>
Date: Sat Jan 31, 2004 2:47 pm
Subject: TO Sabine 		newyorkequin...
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Hi Sabine,
 
I wanted to let you know Harry K is here and yes he is a complete ham!  In 2 weeks we are getting 2 of his 2yr old daughters.  I am thrilled that the farm that had these horses let us know so that we could have them without having them go thru an auction of somesort.  He is gorgeous!!  I can see why you liked him so much
 
Gerry
 
For everyone else, the newest filly that we got off the track is recovering nicely from her suspensory pull, but she will not be returning to the races.  Our vet feels she will never completely heal enough to be able to 'push' from the starting gate.  She will begin her retraining as soon as the weather breaks (maybe august) and also be bred to one of our stallions.  Thanks everyone for their ideas, she is walking very good and the leg is barely enlarged.


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#57721 From: "horseforce17" <mymymystery@...>
Date: Sat Jan 31, 2004 11:50 am
Subject: Billy Cook Saddle (for short legged rider) for sale 		horseforce17
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Thought I'd post this here for the western riders.
Tre

Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 14:44:19 -0500
    From: "Two Track Overos" <twotrack@...>
Subject: Georgia - Original Billy Cook Cutting Saddle For Sale

Original Billy Cook cutting saddle made in Sulphur, Oklahoma.  16
1/2" smooth leather seat, includes rear girth, off billet and tie
strap.  Excellent condition except there are a few light scratches
on the rear of the seat - nothing major and the horn got scraped a
little - again nothing major.  I am discounting the saddle over $100
because of these scratches.  New at the QH Congress for $1500 and
I'm selling it for $650 + shipping.  I also have a new, never used
matching breast collar for sale for $35 to the buyer of the saddle -
$50 just for the breast collar by itself.  Super comfortable, full
QH bars and has brand new all aluminum bell stirrups to go with it.
Depending on location shipping usually runs about $35-$45 dollars
because of the oversize dimensions - FedEx does check these
dimensions.

I have very short legs and this saddle is set for me, but my 6' tall
husband has no problem with this saddle being right for him too.



Donna  (in Georgia)
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#57720 From: "Keely" <keely@...>
Date: Sat Jan 31, 2004 11:31 am
Subject: Re: About curing cribbing [air gulping] 		keely_10
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--- In retraintbs@yahoogroups.com, SBmarino@a... wrote:
> This neurotic action is often also referred to as 'wind sucking,'
because
> they actually aspirate air into their stomach,

Actually, this is not true.  It's been proven for many years now that
they do not swallow air into their stomachs.  The air that is taken
in only goes as far as the top of the esophagus, proven by research
on cribbers using various scopes.  It's also been proven that
cribbing itself does not cause colic or weight loss, but the horse's
desire to crib rather than eat properly that can be a cause.




  but 'wind sucking' is really what
> a mare does when her vulva is not closing properly, and she gets
air in it.
> That's one reason why they caslic all the mares at the race track,
> disregarding of age.
>
> Sabine

Wind sucking also refers to horses that crib without having to grasp
an object with their teeth.  It is a generally accepted term for this
behavior as well as the mare problem.  Also, all mares at the track
are not given a caslick.  While some trainers might perform them as
routine, normally only mares that need them.  I can think of one in
the last five years that we have had to sew up (40 horse stable).

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#57719 From: Ivy Dantico <ivy62@...>
Date: Sat Jan 31, 2004 1:57 am
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Check State Line Tack or Dover Saddlery both have web sites and BIG cataloges.
Good Luck,
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Does anyone knoe where to get black riding jeans at a good price, Millers
used to make them but they are really hard to find. Any good sources out
there?
Thanks, Donna


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#57718 From: "Becky Vaughan-Curran" <garwood@...>
Date: Sat Jan 31, 2004 1:41 am
Subject: Re: About curing cribbing [air gulping] 		garwoodkennels
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HI Guys,
    My TB mare is a really bad cribber, but she has just started doing it. I would like to try this. Can you get it in Canada I called the feed store and they have not heard of it?
 
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Subject: [retraintbs] About curing cribbing [air gulping]

This neurotic action is often also referred to as 'wind sucking,'  because they actually aspirate air into their stomach, but 'wind sucking' is really what a mare does when her vulva is not closing properly, and she gets air in it.  That's one reason why they caslic all the mares at the race track, disregarding of age. 

Sabine

*****************
Sabine, I can tell you what we have done.   The one
horse we have cured was about to be put down because
he had starved himself nearly to death from cribbing.
He was a registered Arabian show horse and he was
nearly 20 and had been cribbing most of his life.  The
lady who owns him is on the list. 

She started using this and within 6 months the horse
was back in the show ring and last year won every
class he was entered in.  He still occasionally cribs
but only once in a while now.

The gelding was 8 years old and had been cribbing most
of his life too.  he was not skin and bone but was in
real sad shape. He had a huge pot belly and his upper
ribs showed. He was sunk in the back and his pelvic
bone stood up.  He was really ewe necked and his lip
hung down.

In both horses we started out by worming them very
good.   On the gelding we also gave him 5 days on
antibiotics...SMZ.  He was not exactly sick but he was
looking off.

We started both horses on 10cc of Probios brand paste
Probiotics.  I have tried others and they just didn't
do the same thing.

We gave them 10cc every other day for a month.  After
a month we dropped down to twice weekly for a month.
Then we went to once a week.

The old Arab is still on weekly and if he gets to
cribbing they up him to twice a week for a couple
weeks then back down.

The gelding gets once every two weeks and if he starts
acting off she ups it to once a week.

Besides that they both got their teeth done real well
and we put them on a diet of all the hay they can
eat...grass hay free choice.  Their grain is very
minimal but they went on Moorman's minerals 2oz a day
and 1/4 cup soybean oil.  

The mare we cured was 16 years old.  I don't think she
had been at it as long as the other two because her
teeth were in better shape.  She was long haired, pot
bellied, and dull in the eye.  She cribbed on anything
she could get her teeth on at least part of every day
but part of the day she also acted pretty normal.
This led me to think she had discomfort.

We followed the same plan with her we did the other
two except with her I also put her on MSM and Yucca.
Those are anti inflamatories and seem to have the side
affect of pain relief without causing stomach upset
like Bute does.

She came out of it in just a couple months and has
never cribbed again.  She is on maintenance of once
weekly Probios 10cc.

We also had a foal who started trying to crib.  This
was a weanling who had started eating really early.
She got scours at foal heat and it lasted for many
weeks because she was an indiscriminate eater.   This
was the first horse we ever used Probios on.

The vets said she would outgrow it but she didn't.
When she was weaned she had a very rough coat, pot
belly and was an unhappy camper.   We started her on
Probios and the scours went away, she started eating
normally and her pot belly went away like magic.  She
got a glossy coat and went on to mature normally.

Since that experience we use Probios for lots of
things and it is a regular part of our horse nutrition
plan. Since using it our grain bill was cut in half
because the horses get much more out of their feed
which means they need less.   That also means their
gut is functioning at a better level.

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#57717 From: Mandy <mandylion29@...>
Date: Sat Jan 31, 2004 1:29 am
Subject: Re: Ulcer ?s and others 		mandylion29
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I think a lot of horses have things going on inside them that none of us are aware of.  I do know that one minute no one ever heard of an ulcer then all of a sudden every farm had at least 2 or 3 horses with ulcers that needed treated right away.
 
My first thought was, if that is the case, then what is in their diet that causes ulcers?  In a racehorse diet, I'm sure there are lots of things that could upset their natural balance and cause ulcers.  In foals too because they develop so quickly and are put into work so quickly that they are given some sort of diet that any other foal wouldn't even dream of.
 
My vet said they often diagnose an ulcer by a horses behavior but that isn't a 100% accurate way to do it.  How can one say, oh my horse has this, this and this so he/she has to have ulcers?  It could be one of a million things and often is much less threatening than an ulcer.  Giving a horse treatment for an ulcer when they have some other sort of digestive issue isn't going to fix the problem - it may cover it up for a while but won't help cure it. 

I certainly believe many horses have ulcers among other things and treatment, if all all, will depend on the severity.  I am just skeptical because of the sudden outbreak of ulcers in pleasure horses.  The horse I was trying to help with the navicular thing didn't react at all to ulcer meds and although he is an exracer-he's been off the track for 10+ years!  The vet said the stress of his pain level and his inability to move around enough to keep his gut churning and so on absolutely could have caused an ulcer but she didn't think he really had one - the owner insisted in spending hundreds of dollars on meds that she didn't even use half of. 
 
For years and years and years no one ever thought to treat an ulcer and for all those years horses lived just as long as they do now.  Sure with technology we can find things we never knew about before and we can develop ways to treat these things but I am not a fad person and I don't think that every time there is a new common problem in horses that my horses or any of the horses I deal with have that problem.  That's just me.  Just like I cautioned about over blanketing.  Some people don't think you can - in my mind, I am positive you can because I've seen it.  I don't work at a track nor do I deal with racehorses really so I don't doubt that there have been many truly diagnosed cases - but for so many in my area to pop up all of a sudden-I'm a skeptic.
 
I might be the only one who thinks that - that's fine.  I just know I have dealt with an awful lot of people who try to treat horses for navicular or weak stifles or ulcers or bad feet or any of the million and one possible issues of lameness and 99% of those horses don't have any problems at all - it's like being a horsey hypochondriac to me. 
 
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#57716 From: mccullough.creative@...
Date: Sat Jan 31, 2004 1:23 am
Subject: Re: speaking of jeans 		mcculldm
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used to make them but they are really hard to find. Any good sources out
there?
Thanks, Donna

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#57715 From: SBmarino@...
Date: Fri Jan 30, 2004 8:01 pm
Subject: About curing cribbing [air gulping] 		sbmarino4
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This neurotic action is often also referred to as 'wind sucking,'  because they actually aspirate air into their stomach, but 'wind sucking' is really what a mare does when her vulva is not closing properly, and she gets air in it.  That's one reason why they caslic all the mares at the race track, disregarding of age. 

Sabine

*****************
Sabine, I can tell you what we have done.   The one
horse we have cured was about to be put down because
he had starved himself nearly to death from cribbing.
He was a registered Arabian show horse and he was
nearly 20 and had been cribbing most of his life.  The
lady who owns him is on the list. 

She started using this and within 6 months the horse
was back in the show ring and last year won every
class he was entered in.  He still occasionally cribs
but only once in a while now.

The gelding was 8 years old and had been cribbing most
of his life too.  he was not skin and bone but was in
real sad shape. He had a huge pot belly and his upper
ribs showed. He was sunk in the back and his pelvic
bone stood up.  He was really ewe necked and his lip
hung down.

In both horses we started out by worming them very
good.   On the gelding we also gave him 5 days on
antibiotics...SMZ.  He was not exactly sick but he was
looking off.

We started both horses on 10cc of Probios brand paste
Probiotics.  I have tried others and they just didn't
do the same thing.

We gave them 10cc every other day for a month.  After
a month we dropped down to twice weekly for a month.
Then we went to once a week.

The old Arab is still on weekly and if he gets to
cribbing they up him to twice a week for a couple
weeks then back down.

The gelding gets once every two weeks and if he starts
acting off she ups it to once a week.

Besides that they both got their teeth done real well
and we put them on a diet of all the hay they can
eat...grass hay free choice.  Their grain is very
minimal but they went on Moorman's minerals 2oz a day
and 1/4 cup soybean oil.  

The mare we cured was 16 years old.  I don't think she
had been at it as long as the other two because her
teeth were in better shape.  She was long haired, pot
bellied, and dull in the eye.  She cribbed on anything
she could get her teeth on at least part of every day
but part of the day she also acted pretty normal.
This led me to think she had discomfort.

We followed the same plan with her we did the other
two except with her I also put her on MSM and Yucca.
Those are anti inflamatories and seem to have the side
affect of pain relief without causing stomach upset
like Bute does.

She came out of it in just a couple months and has
never cribbed again.  She is on maintenance of once
weekly Probios 10cc.

We also had a foal who started trying to crib.  This
was a weanling who had started eating really early.
She got scours at foal heat and it lasted for many
weeks because she was an indiscriminate eater.   This
was the first horse we ever used Probios on.

The vets said she would outgrow it but she didn't.
When she was weaned she had a very rough coat, pot
belly and was an unhappy camper.   We started her on
Probios and the scours went away, she started eating
normally and her pot belly went away like magic.  She
got a glossy coat and went on to mature normally.

Since that experience we use Probios for lots of
things and it is a regular part of our horse nutrition
plan. Since using it our grain bill was cut in half
because the horses get much more out of their feed
which means they need less.   That also means their
gut is functioning at a better level.

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#57714 From: "heather2449707" <heather2449707@...>
Date: Fri Jan 30, 2004 10:29 pm
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...She has now said that she's doing this for "religious" reasons,
honoring the pagan deity Epona,...

I don't know about other states but where I live its illegal to kill
ANYTHING for religious purposes.

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#57713 From: Liz Springer <fwashingtonian@...>
Date: Fri Jan 30, 2004 8:43 pm
Subject: Re: Digest Number 3132 		fwashingtonian
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Hi to the person looking for a short flapped saddle.  I bought a Roosli (Swiss made I believe).  Their regularly sized flaps on dressage saddle run shorter on average than other brands.  I love it - has a narrow twist and deep seat.  The one I got has suede knee supports (I like em cushiony). I TOTALLY LOVE IT!!!!!
 
I've also come across some on the internet - just search on "short flap dressage saddle"
 
Regards,
 
Liz

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#57712 From: Liz Springer <fwashingtonian@...>
Date: Fri Jan 30, 2004 8:37 pm
Subject: Re: Digest Number 3131 		fwashingtonian
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I agree with all of you about this poor mare that may become someone's dinner.  Just goes to show that some people have NO limts of decency and absolutely NO kindness in their hearts whatsoever. 
 
She doesn't know what the !&#$! she is talking about if she claims it is part of a pagan ritual.  Her disgusting suggestion has inspired some very wicked creative thoughts of my own I must admit (nothing gets my temper going the way cruelty to animals does).
 
What if the mare was injected with something that is harmless to the mare but that would be fatal to anyone who wished to consume her?  She's be kinda stuck then, wouldn't she?  Sigh - that kind of plan always backfires anyway and that would cause all kinds of continuing problems or retribution no doubt as she sounds truly MEAN :(
 
She is an evil bitch and it is very possible she is just trying to dupe you into paying her. 
 
I agree with someone who had the idea of going to the local media AND getting an injunction.  Is there any kind of loophole in your contract that may protect you from having to release the mare into her custody?  Has she paid all her board?  Has she broken any specifically stated rules listed in her contract?  Do you have a lawyer or know anyone that can refer you to a good one?
 
If you do go to the media, maybe you will generate enough public interest that your town could raise the $$$ and pay off the wench (making sure she signs a release form OF COURSE!).  The mare could then become some kind of mascot for human kindness or your city or county - have you contacted your local SPCA or the national one for that matter - maybe they would jump on the bandwagon for the publicity?
 
Maybe we (as this group) can start an effort to introduce legislation to make it illegal to slaughter horses for human consumption in our states (if not already the case) and eventually for consumption in the U.S.
 
Today our town, tomorrow our state, next year - the world!
 
Boy that's depressing.
 
I wish you all the luck and kindness and wisdom you can find in dealing with this issue. 
 
And if this idiot's plan comes to fruition, I wish her all the forgiveness in the world as a pack of frenzied lions, tigers and bears proceeds to devour her in a hell of her own when her time comes.
 
Best,
 
Liz
 


 

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#57711 From: Alicia Roberts <antiprep101@...>
Date: Fri Jan 30, 2004 8:25 pm
Subject: Re: Ulcer ?s and others 		antiprep101
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We lost a foal in august due to a really bad ulcer.

peteandpat@... wrote:
Actually, you are wrong: it is a fact that about 90% of thoroughbreds bred/trained for racing have some sort of ulcers, including foals. This is from veterinary research--ask any racetrack vet.

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#57710 From: "ksd" <ksd@...>
Date: Fri Jan 30, 2004 7:39 pm
Subject: Re: Jeans 		almighty_kelsey
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i asked because the other group i'm in..asks questions like these..and they get some pretty off the wall answers that are very humurous..
I like wranglers..levis...calvin klein...and some old navy(boot cut)
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Any brand that I can still fit into a size 8!!!!!
That leaves out a bunch of them, but Gap jeans are still in the running.

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#57709 From: "Jenn Dyer" <beepine@...>
Date: Fri Jan 30, 2004 7:22 pm
Subject: RE: show names-the final decision 		dehere98
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Carolyn, I love 'riding miss daisy', very cute & classy. No juniors were around when that movie came out anyway =)
I'm so glad that your having such great success with Daisy.
 
Jenn
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That's a great name Kylie! Funny, I was trying to
think up a good show name for Daisy and Came up with
Riding Miss Daisy (but I find that a little junior)
and Care to Dance, but I am still not sure, I will be
using Daisy for dressage tests etc. but my daughter
will be showing her in hunter classes so I wanted
something that would suit both arenas!

Carolyn
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gace the final decision to my nana in n.z and she
chose rein dance
as well!
kylie



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#57708 From: "Jenn Dyer" <beepine@...>
Date: Fri Jan 30, 2004 7:16 pm
Subject: RE: Re: Dressage saddles 		dehere98
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Junior saddles, didn't think of that- I will look in to it. I can fit a 16.5-17" comfortably.  Ideally- I would like something with no knee rolls, just the flap like a close contact and of course the shorter panels. I found an older Tristan on eBay that had the exact panels I am looking for, but the seat is way to flat and I need the support of the deeper seat for dressage.
Thanks for the tip =)
That's really neat about all the left over tack, hopefully some will come your way =)
 
 
Jenn
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Jenn-
have you been to your local tack stores?  (that's if you have a
local one)
I went by our tack store yesterday and found a jewel of a dressage
saddle, lightly used, there are no markings that designate a brand
but I tried it, it's really comfy in the seat. The flaps are regular
but the padding isn't thick like others and I paid a whooping $99.00
for it.
I just came back from the barn we're opening and going to be
tackling a major cleaning project this weekend, and low and behold,
a bunch of folks just left their tack. Just friggin abandoned it.
Among them are 2 dressage saddles, one County, looks almost new, the
other I didn;t look at the brand, it;s a bit older, also a couple of
AP saddles, tons of shampoos, brushes, you name it, it;s there!
I don;t know what the owner is planning on doing with most of those
saddles, there are 2 child AP saddles as well, but he doesn;t ride
or anything and I'll see him out there tomorrow afternoon.
If he leaves the stuff to us (which is highly likely), I'll see if I
can sell some of those saddles.

When I was out at the tack store, I noticed a chart for saddle
models, I believe by Wintec (I personally don;t like them) but I
noticed as well that the store owner ordered a load of Wintec
dressage saddles (she swears people love them), and the pricetag I
noticed was $445. I don't know what they usually go for, but I think
they're the Wintec ISabella or Shannon or something, I can ask if
she'll ship, if anyone is interested. She always gives big fat
discounts on stuff, I love that lady.
Oh, I got sidetracked- the chart listed a few "junior" saddles, they
come in all kinds of seat sizes but have shorter flaps, so you might
want to look into a Junior model. (I always buy my boots junior
sized with a wide shaft, my foot is too narrow for most regular
adult women's boots, plus they tend to be a littler cheaper when
junior sized, as well.
Tre

--- In retraintbs@yahoogroups.com, "Jenn Dyer" <beepine@c...> wrote:
> Looking for dressage saddle with short panels, and not a lot of
stuffing
> around the knee-
> More like a close contact through the leg area. Does such a saddle
exist?
> Any recommendations?
>
> Jenn



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#57707 From: peteandpat@...
Date: Fri Jan 30, 2004 1:42 pm
Subject: Re: Ulcer ?s and others 		barbfoster07740
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Actually, you are wrong: it is a fact that about 90% of thoroughbreds bred/trained for racing have some sort of ulcers, including foals. This is from veterinary research--ask any racetrack vet.

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#57706 From: peteandpat@...
Date: Fri Jan 30, 2004 1:35 pm
Subject: Re: Re:Baldness (with major vent added) URGENT 		barbfoster07740
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It seems so weird that the woman would be concerned enough to have you give the horse bute to aid in her comfort, and then be so heartless as to want to eat her! It almost sounds like some kind of fantasy. I think if you leak the story to her local papers, that would be the best way to go. Even if she is pulling your leg, she has a horrible sense of humor. I wish I could just kidnap the mare and hide her in my yard.
Barbara

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#57705 From: "b_schwaabe" <b_schwaabe@...>
Date: Fri Jan 30, 2004 6:23 pm
Subject: Re: Washing helmet???? 		b_schwaabe
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I washed mine in the sink with soap and water.  it comes out looking
a bit wierd and dries hard but a shoe brush lifts up the velvet.  Now
assuming this isn't your show hat becasue it never quite looks the
same.  If it is your show hat than yes you should go get it clean at
a hattery.

Brenda

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> I wouldn't!  I would use a slightly damp cloth and wipe it clean.
If
> it is too dirty for that, you might want to try a vaccum with good
> sucking power or even call a local tack shop and see if they
provide
> a service like that - I know mine does.
>
> My velvet show helmet has a nylon cover on it at all times until I
go
> into my class and stays in a hat bag otherwise.  I have a velveteen
> helmet that I use for schooling and it wipes clean with a damp
cloth
> and my vaccum!
>
> mandy

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#57704 From: "Mandy Johnston" <mandylion29@...>
Date: Fri Jan 30, 2004 6:20 pm
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I usually buy Old Navy - they have the best fit for riding in!  They
are the greatest under my chaps!!

Mandy

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#57703 From: peteandpat@...
Date: Fri Jan 30, 2004 1:11 pm
Subject: Re: Jeans 		barbfoster07740
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Any brand that I can still fit into a size 8!!!!!
That leaves out a bunch of them, but Gap jeans are still in the running.

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