This link is from the BikeE list.

  http://www.mikebentley.com/bike/index.html

<http://www.mikebentley.com/bike/index.html>

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Here is another post from the BikeE list.
>>>>>>>>>>

Apologies if this was already brought to our attention

in the last 24 hours.

Finally got around to reading this list
<http://www.phred.org/mailman/listinfo/touring>

and scored big time - STATE  MAPS for bicycling.
<http://briandesousa.com/bicycling/info/statemaps.htm>

Was surprised to see the proposed trail systems in
Wisconsin
WDNR - Trails Network Plan Contents
<http://www.dnr.state.wi.us/org/land/parks/reports/trails/contents.html>

I'm get n the hebegebees,
Mark
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Well, it looks like Wed will be semi nice, Lance is riding in Wisconson and
won't be back until tomorrow night, and I have Wed off. So, I will host a ride
Wed June 6th starting from my house (4139 Brookside Av So, St. Louis Park)
leaving at 10:00am. We will gather at 9:30 and will have time to tour the
skunkworks if wanted. We will then take an approximate 25 mile ride hitting a
number of the south west metro trails and points of interest. If the group wants
to stop for lunch, we can include that in the route. See Ya There!

Dave K.

Hi Dave,
Count me in.
A.J.

HI! I'm interesting in joining your Wens. ride Dave.  Could you tell me how to
get to your Brookside address or get me a phone # to call you for directions? 
Thanks! Larry Ripp 651-645-6788. e-mail: rippx001@...


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Here is an item from this mornings BikeE list. You
will need to cut and paste the URL's into your
browser.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>

NOT a guilt trip but melancholy:

AUTOHOLICS ANONYMOUS--A Self-Help Program for
Petro-Junkies
http://www.living-room.org/bikepeople/autoholics.htm
this site had some interesting LINKS like the
following:

International Bicycle Fund
Bicycle Statistics: Usage, Production, Sales, Import,
Export
http://www.ibike.org/statistics.htm

Bicycle Retailer & Industry News stastics in PDF
http://www.bicycleretailer.com/public_pages/pubstats.html

----------------------------------------------------------------

"BIKES BELONG COALITION AND THE BICYCLE COUNCIL
ANNOUNCE MERGER"
June 1, 2001
NOTE: Just a few highlights    <copy & paste>
Where its "concluded that the industry needs to be
unified if it is
going to get and stay healthy"

"Especially with the decline in bicycle participation,

it’s critical for companies within the industry to
join Bikes Belong so
we can continue and expand...."

"publicity campaigns"

"Congressman James Oberstar, the ranking Democrat on
the House
Transportation and Infrastructure Committee and friend
of the industry,
was pleased to hear of the merger."

"Members of Bikes Belong Coalition include:"
http://bikesbelong.org/site/index.cfm





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We would like to remind you of this upcoming event.

Twin Cities Mystery Ride 1

Date: Saturday, June 9, 2001
Time: 10:00AM CDT (GMT-05:00)

MnHPVA Ride Saturday June 9th 10:00 am
"Twin Cities Mystery Ride 1:
Discover bike trails and routes in the Twin Cities area."
Meet at the Theodore Wirth golf course parking lot, located at
Theodore Wirth Parkway and Plymouth Avenue.
One route being considered is a loop of approximately 40
relatively easy (flat) miles passing through several Hennepin
County parks. Stop for lunch along the way. The final route will
be determined once the snow clears enough to see the trails!
Ride Leader: Dwight Johnson : 952-926-4327 (home) or
612-624-9917 (work) johns154_us@...

The plan for Saturday's ride is to head north from Theodore Wirth Park
following parkways and bike paths as much as possible until we reach
the North Hennepin Trail near Coon Rapids Dam Regional Park. We will
then travel west on the North Hennepin Trail to near Elm Creek Park
where we will cut south to Osseo for a lunch break. Osseo is a nice
small town with a small park for picnics, a grocery store if you need
to pick up food for a picnic, and several restaurants if that is more
appealing. The restaurants range from typical small town café to
(special note to Lance and Linda) a Thai restaurant! There is also a
fairly decent bakery for those who would like to carbo load for the
return trip. From Osseo we will travel west to pick up a new trail
(not yet signed) that follows Elm creek south to Fish Lake park. From
there we will make our way south and east to French park on Medicine
Lake and then back east to our starting point at Theodore Wirth. The
first 2/3 of the route is fairly level to gently rolling with some
very scenic stretches. The last part has a few hills, but we will be
well warmed up by then and they should be no problem. Total distance
approximately 40 miles. I plan an easy pace, but I will have maps
available for those who want to ride faster and see how lost they can
get.

Meet at the Theodore Wirth golf course parking lot (at the north end
of the lot) at Plymouth Avenue and Theodore Wirth Parkway at 10:00 am
on Saturday, June 9. The prediction is for good weather. Come and find
out again what it is like to ride in DRY weather! Hope to see you
there.

Dwight Johnson
952-926-4327

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event.

MnHPVA Meeting 7:00 PM

Date: Wednesday, June 13, 2001
Time: All Day

Meetings are held 2nd Wed.Every Month
Time; 7:00 PM to 9:00 PM
Location; Lake Nokomis Community Center
2401 E. Minnehaha Parkway, Mpls. MN
{On the hill @ the N. end of Lake Nokomis}

Weather permitting, Meetings from March to October will be
preceeded by a short "Meet and Decide" Ride at 6:00 PM

Lets Ride!
Wayzata, by way of Parkers Lake and a bit of the Luce Line Trail.

Meet here at my place, 5349 Elliot Ave S - Minneapolis, at 9:00AM for the
long route.  40 or so  miles??
or
at Dave Krafft's, 4139 Brookside Ave S - St. Louis Park, at 9:45 AM for the
short route.

We will improvise lunch, although Lance will probably know where we can
find a nice little Uzbekistani eatery near the route.



Mark Stonich;
    BikeSmith Design & Fabrication
      5349 Elliot Ave S.  - Minneapolis. MN 55417
           Ph. (612) 824-2372  http://bikesmithdesign.com

Dudes,
It seems that the forecast for Thursday has deteriorated a bit.

It's likely that the bad weather will hold off until the afternoon, but at
this time the forecast is not that detailed.

I'll post a Go/NoGo decision early Thursday AM. Please check your eMail
before heading to the start of the ride.


Mark E. Stonich
    Minneapolis MN USA (612) 824-2372
      Minnesota Human Powered Vehicle Assn.  http://mnhpva.org
        RecumbentsMN mailing list and archives
           http://groups.yahoo.com/group/recumbentsmn/

Hi guys,
I'm glad that I got in for a few minutes of the meeting last night.  It was
good to see everyone.  Due to roofing concerns it would be irresponsible for
me to ride this week.  I will have to choose the roof above my head over the
bike under my backside.  Next week I should be back to a normal schedule.
Until then,  have an entree at the (what kind of restaurant?) for me. I hear
that the rhudestrvanch is great for dessert.
A.J.  ( Aluminum Johnny)

Dudes,
As of 6:45 AM,  Channel 11 was saying that rain should end after about 90
minutes, and return in the afternoon.  Radar animations seem to confirm
that.  They didn't say early or late afternoon, but I'm willing to take a
chance.

I will however bring a good rain jacket, and carry my wallet in a Zip-Lock
bag ;-)

Meet here at my place, 5349 Elliot Ave S - Minneapolis, at 9:00AM for the
long route.  40 or so  miles??
or
at Dave Krafft's, 4139 Brookside Ave S - St. Louis Park, at 9:45 AM for the
short route.



Mark E. Stonich
    Minneapolis MN USA (612) 824-2372
      Minnesota Human Powered Vehicle Assn.  http://mnhpva.org
        RecumbentsMN mailing list and archives
           http://groups.yahoo.com/group/recumbentsmn/

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I'm looking for anyone in the Twin City area with a Lightning P38.  I'm
thinking of buying one and am going to the Hostel Shoppe in Stevens Point
this weekend to test ride one.  I am leaning towards the new Voyager model
P38 that has couplings and comes apart to go in a 26"x26" case.  Have not
ridden a P38 and  was looking for someone with experience with one.  Want
to use for touring but also some hill workouts.

Jim - IP Liaison McDonell
209-2C-26
Battery/Fuel Cell Patent Liaison
Tel:  651-736-8990
Fax:  651-736-7478

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event.

"Minnesota River Ramble and Frontage Road Sampler"

Date: Sunday, June 24, 2001
Time: 10:00AM CDT (GMT-05:00)

MnHPVA Ride Sunday June 24th 10:00AM.
"Minnesota River Ramble and Frontage Road Sampler"
We'll check out the new Ped/Bike river crossing off of Auto Club
Road in Bloomington, the bike trail from Cliff Rd to Black Dog
Rd., the off-road trail from Cedar Ave to old Mendota, and
everything in between.
Ride leader: Mark Stonich    612-824-2372
mstonich@...
Ride starts at Mark's house; 5349 Elliot Ave S. Minneapolis MN

Dudes,
As of today, a significant portion of the planned route is
underwater.  When setting a date for this ride. I assumed that by June
24th, Spring flooding would be just a memory, but today the Minnesota
crested for the 3rd time this season.

We can still meet here, Sunday at 10:00AM, for a "Meet and Decide" ride.

River conditions permitting, I hope to reschedule the River Ramble for this
fall.

At 10:02 AM 6/21/2001,  you were sent this automated message
>"Minnesota River Ramble and Frontage Road Sampler"
>Date: Sunday, June 24, 2001
>Time: 10:00AM CDT
>MnHPVA Ride Sunday June 24th 10:00AM.
>"Minnesota River Ramble and Frontage Road Sampler"
>We'll check out the new Ped/Bike river crossing off of Auto Club
>Road in Bloomington, the bike trail from Cliff Rd to Black Dog
>Rd., the off-road trail from Cedar Ave to old Mendota, and
>everything in between.
>Ride leader: Mark Stonich    612-824-2372
>mstonich@...
>Ride starts at Mark's house; 5349 Elliot Ave S. Minneapolis MN



Mark E. Stonich
    Minneapolis MN USA (612) 824-2372
      Minnesota Human Powered Vehicle Assn.  http://mnhpva.org
        RecumbentsMN mailing list and archives
           http://groups.yahoo.com/group/recumbentsmn/

I've been asked to forward this to recumbent riders in the TC area.  Last
year they had a recumbent class.  I assume they will this year too, if
enough show up.

>Delivered-To: mstonich@...
>From: "Larry" <motoman@...>
>
>Mark:
>
>Hopefully you will be able to retrieve this message and put the
>information on the bulletin board.  The 2001 event is almost the same as
>it was last year except it is non-sponsored and has no prize lists.  It's
>all for fun and bragging.
>
>If you have any questions please call after 8 tonight at 612-529-8578.  If
>I don't answer leave a voice mail message and I'll get back to you.
>
>Best regards,
>
>Larry Mack
>
>Here is the announcement with links to the website, etc.
>
>
>
>Just a reminder: even though the old "Duluth Classic" is gone for now the
>"Not Quite Duluth Classic" is here.  The dates are Saturday June 30th for
>the Time Trial at Oliver, Wisconsin starting at 6 PM and 10 AM July 1st at
>the Wrenshall Township hall for the road race.
>
>This is a "Grassroots event" sanctioned by ABR and opened to all.  Your
>very low entry fee will cover insurance and one day license for each
>event.  Those fees are:
>
>18 or over: $15 per event or $25 for both.
>17 or younger $7.50 per event or $12 for both.
>
>Prize lists:   (and we are breaking that down by age groups):
>
>3rd place: some braggin' rights.
>2nd place: a little more braggin' rights.
>1st place: a lot of braggin' rights.
>
>An "A" event may be held if there are enough category 1,2 and higher 3's
>available.   A women's event may also be held if there are enough
>entries.  See the website for additional information.
>
>If you're looking for beautiful scenery, a nice road race course and
>racing for fun this is for you.  For those who raced in 1998 or before the
>road course is the old "triangular course" south of Wrenshall.  The time
>trial is on Wisconsin 105 (as it was last year).  Be aware that the bridge
>is closed over the St. Louis River between Oliver and New Duluth.
>
>We also will include lead and follow vehicles manned by personnel with 2
>meter radios and medical personnel.  An emergency vehicle will be on hand
>should it be needed.
>
>For  *full* details including location, registration, race starting times
>as well as links to the easy to fill out entry form and a map please go to
><http://www.umcycling.com/dul01.html>http://www.umcycling.com/dul01.html
>Please address questions directly to me rather than calling the store at
>Duluth as this is their busy season as a business.  A phone number is
>listed for day of race only assuming I can get a decent transmission at
>the race sites.
>
>This event is sponsored by Velo Duluth.  All are welcomed: get away from
>the cities and come on up north.  cya!
>
>For full details concerning Superweek and the 2001 Tour de France please
>go to
><http://www.umcycling.com/otherevents.html>http://www.umcycling.com/otherevents\
.html


Mark Stonich;
    BikeSmith Design & Fabrication
      5349 Elliot Ave S.  - Minneapolis. MN 55417
           Ph. (612) 824-2372  http://bikesmithdesign.com

Hi From New Zealand

We have a new roof rack system for recumbent trikes that is worth checking out
!!
see it at http://www.geocities.com/philly662001/greatideas.html

Any questions are welcome .

Regards

Phil Metaxas


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Dudes,
   Some jerk joined this group for the sole intent of sending us an
advertisement.  Being from New Zealand, I doubt he is going to be coming on
any of our rides.
Pretty sneaky, which is something to think about before doing any business
with him.
He has been banned from the list.

However, this does not mean that commercial content is unacceptable in an
*occasional* posting from LOCAL recumbent RIDERS.  When in doubt send me
the posting first.

If you need to sell your '00 Ti-Rush, to make room for your new BikeE CT,
by all means feel free to post it here.

Mark E. Stonich
    Minneapolis MN USA (612) 824-2372
      Minnesota Human Powered Vehicle Assn.  http://mnhpva.org
        RecumbentsMN mailing list and archives
           http://groups.yahoo.com/group/recumbentsmn/

Well, it has been almost 2 weeks since the group got together for a weekday
ride and I just can't stand it any longer! So I will host a morning errand
ride. I need to go to Freewheel on the west bank of the UofM and to General
Nanosys (computer store) just past there. We will start from my house (4139
Brookside Av So, St. Louis Park) at 9:15am and return by no later then 1Pm
(even if we stop for lunch!)Be there if you want to ride!
Dave Krafft
St. Louis Park, MN  USA
http://www.mnhpva.org

Dudes,
My son Eli is doing the AIDS ride from Minneapolis to Chicago, and will
arrive after the Northbrook races on Saturday.

We were hoping to;
A. Find a Chicago area racer who could get him to the Kenosha races.  His
road bike will be shipped home, but he will have clothing and a sleeping bag.

and

B.  Find a Mpls. area racer who would bring Junkyard Dawg down, so Eli
could race the Cheddar Challenge.  And bring Eli and Dawg back.  Or, If
someone has space for E, and someone else has space for Dawg, that would be
great too.

Since the alternative is flying, I imagine he'd be happy to pay for your
gas home.

Mark E. Stonich
    Minneapolis MN USA (612) 824-2372
      Minnesota Human Powered Vehicle Assn.  http://mnhpva.org
        RecumbentsMN mailing list and archives
           http://groups.yahoo.com/group/recumbentsmn/

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Hello all;

    I will be in the cities to pick up my brand new Trice Explorer Trike
from Luke at Calhoun Cycles Tuesday.  Expect to show up on Monday
night, and stay in the area till Thursday.  Anyone interested in showing

me the bike paths / trails in the area around Lake Calhoun?  Would
get the trike Tuesday about mid day and go riding that afternoon
and Wednesday late morning / afternoon.

Ron Chamberlain
http://reality.sgi.com/rchamber_cfsgi/bikes.htm

Hi guys.
Saturday before last I spent the whole day riding different bents at the
Hostel Shoppe in Stevens Point.....Lightning P38, Tour Easy, Burley Hepcat,
Rans V2, Vision R40.  This is my first recumbent purchase and I had also
been spending a lot of time surfing the net.  They just gave me a price
built according to my specs and  I was planning on ordering it.  However, I
was down on the Root River yesterday and was talking to the owner of the
Little River  General Store in Lanesboro (they rent out and shuttle bikes
including bents).  They have mostly Ebikes.  He said he would never get a
bent with a front derailleur because he had nothing but problems with
chains coming off on shifting because of the long chain).  I'm planning on
getting a Ultegra triple chainring with my Ti Rush.  Can anybody confirm or
rebut his comments?  Thanks.
Jim - IP Liaison McDonell
209-2C-26
Battery/Fuel Cell Patent Liaison
Tel:  651-736-8990
Fax:  651-736-7478

Jim,
The BikeE's have no chain idler, while a Tour Easy or Rans V2 both do have one
on the lower or return chain run. This difference, plus adjustment differences
(chain length, derrailleur limits and indexing, etc.) would probably account for
any poor shifting he has experienced. I have had almost no shifting problems
with my Tour Easy, which also has one of those molded plastic doohickies on the
shifter tube to prevent the chain from coming all the way off on the inside. In
fact I do about 95% of my everyday shifting on the front derailleur because the
bigger steps work well for city stop signs and hills, and because my old TE has
a non-indexed and somewhat temperamental rear shifter and the front shifter
works so well. I am sure that a GRR will have a well set-up shifting system and
have heard little but raves about that bike. Good luck with it.
Tim Dunsworth

>>> jamcdonell@... 07/02 8:52 AM >>>
Hi guys.
Saturday before last I spent the whole day riding different bents at the
Hostel Shoppe in Stevens Point.....Lightning P38, Tour Easy, Burley Hepcat,
Rans V2, Vision R40.  This is my first recumbent purchase and I had also
been spending a lot of time surfing the net.  They just gave me a price
built according to my specs and  I was planning on ordering it.  However, I
was down on the Root River yesterday and was talking to the owner of the
Little River  General Store in Lanesboro (they rent out and shuttle bikes
including bents).  They have mostly Ebikes.  He said he would never get a
bent with a front derailleur because he had nothing but problems with
chains coming off on shifting because of the long chain).  I'm planning on
getting a Ultegra triple chainring with my Ti Rush.  Can anybody confirm or
rebut his comments?  Thanks.
Jim - IP Liaison McDonell
209-2C-26
Battery/Fuel Cell Patent Liaison
Tel:  651-736-8990
Fax:  651-736-7478


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Hum, I guess I am kind of confused. How did he explain getting 21 + gears
without a front derailleur? I have a Vision 40 LWB and have very little trouble
with my derailleur. The only 'issue' I have is on 1/500+ or so shifts into the
big chainring, the chain will over shift and come off. All you have to do is
shift back down and then back up. Presto, it is back. It is very rare and really
no big deal.
Devin
Vision R40 LWB

Jim: that might be a true statement for a Bike E, but as for a long
wheelbase like a Ti Rush, have been riding my toureasy clone for many years
with not problem with a front derailleur. I have not heard of this as a
general problem, I occasionally have problem with the return chain flopping,
but added a take-up to resolve this. nice choice of bike.
Mike D.

-----Original Message-----
From: jamcdonell@... [mailto:jamcdonell@...]
Sent: Monday, July 02, 2001 8:53 AM
To: recumbentsmn@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [recumbentsmn] chains and front derailleurs


Hi guys.
Saturday before last I spent the whole day riding different bents at the
Hostel Shoppe in Stevens Point.....Lightning P38, Tour Easy, Burley Hepcat,
Rans V2, Vision R40.  This is my first recumbent purchase and I had also
been spending a lot of time surfing the net.  They just gave me a price
built according to my specs and  I was planning on ordering it.  However, I
was down on the Root River yesterday and was talking to the owner of the
Little River  General Store in Lanesboro (they rent out and shuttle bikes
including bents).  They have mostly Ebikes.  He said he would never get a
bent with a front derailleur because he had nothing but problems with
chains coming off on shifting because of the long chain).  I'm planning on
getting a Ultegra triple chainring with my Ti Rush.  Can anybody confirm or
rebut his comments?  Thanks.
Jim - IP Liaison McDonell
209-2C-26
Battery/Fuel Cell Patent Liaison
Tel:  651-736-8990
Fax:  651-736-7478


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They have internal rear hub shifting that gives them 3x7 or 3x8 or 3x9 in
combination with the rear cassette.

Jim - IP Liaison McDonell
209-2C-26
Battery/Fuel Cell Patent Liaison
Tel:  651-736-8990
Fax:  651-736-7478



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                     y.net                To:     "recumbentsmn@yahoogroups.com"
                                            <recumbentsmn@yahoogroups.com>
                     07/02/2001           cc:     (bcc: Jim - IP Liaison
                     09:33 AM               McDonell/US-Corporate/3M/US)
                     Please respond       Subject:     Re: [recumbentsmn] chains
and
                     to recumbentsmn        front derailleurs







Hum, I guess I am kind of confused. How did he explain getting 21 + gears
without a front derailleur? I have a Vision 40 LWB and have very little
trouble with my derailleur. The only 'issue' I have is on 1/500+ or so
shifts into the big chainring, the chain will over shift and come off. All
you have to do is shift back down and then back up. Presto, it is back. It
is very rare and really no big deal.
Devin
Vision R40 LWB


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Thanks Mike.  Sounds like the chain idler makes the difference.  I'm
ordering my Ti Rush today!
Jim - IP Liaison McDonell
209-2C-26
Battery/Fuel Cell Patent Liaison
Tel:  651-736-8990
Fax:  651-736-7478



                     "Drellack, Mike
                     (MN65)"                  To:    
"'recumbentsmn@yahoogroups.com'"
                     <mike.drellack@hone        <recumbentsmn@yahoogroups.com>
                     ywell.com>               cc:     (bcc: Jim - IP Liaison
                                                McDonell/US-Corporate/3M/US)
                     07/02/2001 10:28 AM      Subject:     RE: [recumbentsmn]
chains and
                     Please respond to          front derailleurs
                     recumbentsmn







Jim: that might be a true statement for a Bike E, but as for a long
wheelbase like a Ti Rush, have been riding my toureasy clone for many years
with not problem with a front derailleur. I have not heard of this as a
general problem, I occasionally have problem with the return chain
flopping,
but added a take-up to resolve this. nice choice of bike.
Mike D.

-----Original Message-----
From: jamcdonell@... [mailto:jamcdonell@...]
Sent: Monday, July 02, 2001 8:53 AM
To: recumbentsmn@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [recumbentsmn] chains and front derailleurs


Hi guys.
Saturday before last I spent the whole day riding different bents at the
Hostel Shoppe in Stevens Point.....Lightning P38, Tour Easy, Burley Hepcat,
Rans V2, Vision R40.  This is my first recumbent purchase and I had also
been spending a lot of time surfing the net.  They just gave me a price
built according to my specs and  I was planning on ordering it.  However, I
was down on the Root River yesterday and was talking to the owner of the
Little River  General Store in Lanesboro (they rent out and shuttle bikes
including bents).  They have mostly Ebikes.  He said he would never get a
bent with a front derailleur because he had nothing but problems with
chains coming off on shifting because of the long chain).  I'm planning on
getting a Ultegra triple chainring with my Ti Rush.  Can anybody confirm or
rebut his comments?  Thanks.
Jim - IP Liaison McDonell
209-2C-26
Battery/Fuel Cell Patent Liaison
Tel:  651-736-8990
Fax:  651-736-7478


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