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Terry Osell and I will be meeting at the North/ East end of the stone arch
bridge to start a ride tomorrow 22 Aug.  We will meet at 09:30 and leave the
bridge at 10:00.  The ride length will be decided as we go and we should
finish the ride early afternoon.

Lance

651-675-7497

LLOBERGS@...

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May 2005 Meeting Notes and Photos have  been posted @
http://mnhpva.org/meetings/2005/may_05/may_05.html

Please get back to me ASAP with any corrections, additions or rebuttals.

Thanks again to Tim Dunsworth for taking and transcribing the meeting notes.


Mark Stonich;
   Minneapolis Minnesota
    http://mnhpva.org
     http://bikesmithdesign.com

Anyone take Photos at the August meeting?

If so I would like to get copies, so I can publish the notes.

Mark Stonich;
   Minneapolis Minnesota
    http://mnhpva.org
     http://bikesmithdesign.com

July 2005 Meeting Notes and Photos have  been posted @
http://mnhpva.org/meetings/2005/july_05/july_05.html

Please get back to me ASAP with any corrections, additions or rebuttals.

Thanks again to Tim Dunsworth for taking and transcribing the meeting notes.


Mark Stonich;
   Minneapolis Minnesota
    http://mnhpva.org
     http://bikesmithdesign.com

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Edina Bike & Sport

or News N 38 - 19.Aug.2005 [Advertising]


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- EUROBIKE-Friedrichshafen, (Germany) 1st-4th September: Hall B2-Stand
#101

- EICMA-Milan, (Italy) 16th-19th September: Hall RHO 14(level 00)-Stand #A07

- FESTIBIKE - Madrid, (Spain) 23rd - 25th September: Stand #12

- INTERBIKE - Las Vegas, (USA) 26th - 30th September: Booth #775 and the
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Hey Everybody,
Looks like the rain is going to hold off until afternoon so I am going to
go for a 10am ride from my house again tomorrow Tues the 16th. Will head
down town on the Cedar Lake trail and catch lunch wherever everyone can
agree. Back to my place by no later then 2pm.
See Ya!
Dave K.

June 2005 Meeting Notes and Photos have  been posted @
http://mnhpva.org/meetings/2005/june_05/june_05.html

"What happened to January through May?" you might ask.  Well, I hope
to get to these over the next several months.  For every month
forward I'll try to get an old month done.  I'm working on July now,
then May. Fortunately, Tim's notes are getting so good that I can
HTML them with just a few minor corrections on technical phrasing.

If it means anything, I haven't had time to update my Bikesmith web
paged either.

I took several labor saving shortcuts so they aren't as user friendly
as before.  Now the text is almost all in the notes section, and
there may be some jumping back and forth between the notes and the
photos.  However it's the only way it's going to get done, as these
fingers aren't that good at typing anymore, and I also have to redo
the Brazing section of the tech pages. The new Brazing pages will
encompass much more, and have 5 times as much info.

Please get back to me ASAP with any corrections additions or rebuttals.

Thanks again to Tim Dunsworth for taking and transcribing the meeting notes.

Judging from Tim's notes, I missed a good meeting Wednesday.  Anyone
take Photos?
Not that I'd rather have been there than up on the north shore with
Jane. We had a great time, including a rare, (for there) four days of
perfect weather.



Mark Stonich;
   Minneapolis Minnesota
    http://mnhpva.org
     http://bikesmithdesign.com

At  8/14/2005 10:46 AM -0500, Claton Cadmus wrote:
>I think we need to error on the side of the posters
>intentions and assume that this was just a well meaning tip
>provided by a member of the list.  I think it was unfair to
>publicly chastise this poster and brand him a spammer.

Whereas most people send me a message such as
"Hi, I'm in New Hope MN, and just got a used Stratus.  I'm looking
forward to having other 'benters to ride with."
He just wrote "BENT FOR LIFE!!" which I thought a little odd. As I
was preparing for my vacation, I didn't have time to set things up so
his postings would be moderated.

As soon as his membership was approved, he posted a purely commercial
message with no recumbent content.

I wrote him and asked;

>What part of
>'No anonymity please. Sign off all posts with your real name, home
>town and state. If you cannot do this, for whatever reason, please
>do not join."
>or
>"Please keep this list free of commercial content."
>did you have trouble understanding?

His reply;

"Que?  No habla Schmuckeese."

>  Especially considering he stated: Note to moderator - If you do not
>want me posting coupons here, let me know. I won't post again.

I've seen plenty of spam with such statements

>In my view an apology is in order.

I think so too, but I doubt I'll be getting one.


Mark Stonich;
   Minneapolis Minnesota
    http://mnhpva.org
     http://bikesmithdesign.com

Carl, Mark and others.

I find nothing in the header that indicates that this
message is from a bulk email program or that this message
was intended to be spam.  The word "bulk" is found in every
message header delivered from this list, including your's
Carl.  It is simply part of the name of the yahoo server
that distributes the list mail.  Also, if you examine the
header you will see that the mailer was "Yahoo Groups
Message Poster"  this indicates the message was typed into
the online group posting web page and didn't come from an
email program at all.

I think we need to error on the side of the posters
intentions and assume that this was just a well meaning tip
provided by a member of the list.  I think it was unfair to
publicly chastise this poster and brand him a spammer.
Especially considering he stated: Note to moderator - If you do not
want me posting coupons here, let me know. I won't post again.

In my view an apology is in order.

Claton Cadmus


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To fill a couple of gaps in Tim's notes, I need the names of a couple
of the people doing Show-N-Tell at the Aug. meeting last Wed.

1. A woman who brought an Evox semi-recumbent

2. A gent with an electric assist EX-Sport.  I assume it's the guy in
this photo.
http://www.velomobiling.net/albums/IceBikeRide/ElectricRush2.jpg

Mark Stonich;
   Minneapolis Minnesota
    http://mnhpva.org
     http://bikesmithdesign.com

At 10:18 PM 8/9/2005, cg wrote:
>To All::
>
>On the original header, click on "View", "Headers" and "All".   You will
>notice this sender is a "bulk" emailer or "spammer".  He is promoting
>another questionable site with  "deals" submitted by a variety of other
>unknown individuals.
>
>Why do we let Spammers post to this list?

In an attempt to stop spammers I had set it up so that someone would have
to send me a recumbent related message before I would allow them to post to
the list.  This worked well at keeping the automated spammers out, but this
jerk went to the trouble of sending me such a message.

I immediately banned him from the list.

When I get back to Minneapolis I'll change things so that I have to also
approve a person's first postings to the list.


>I would suggest great caution if you elect to complete a business
>transaction with any of these "promoters" using legitimate company names
>to "phish" for suckers.
>
>W.C. Fields said one is "born every minute"
>
>Carl

Mark Stonich
    Minneapolis Minnesota
      http://bikesmithdesign.com
        http://mnhpva.org

Hey Everybody,
As advertised at the meeting tonight we will be having a group ride
tomorrow Thur the 11th starting at 11am at Dave K's house, 4139
Brookside Ave So St. Louis Park. We will head out for a ride and a
lunch stop as decided upon at the start. Be there or be square!
Dave

To All::

On the original header, click on "View", "Headers" and "All".   You will
notice this sender is a "bulk" emailer or "spammer".  He is promoting
another questionable site with  "deals" submitted by a variety of other
unknown individuals.

Why do we let Spammers post to this list?

I would suggest great caution if you elect to complete a business
transaction with any of these "promoters" using legitimate company names
to "phish" for suckers.

W.C. Fields said one is "born every minute"

Carl





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Anybody want a possible basis for a homebuilt trike?


>From: "Larry Ripp" <rippx001@...>
>To: <mark@...>
>Subject:  EZ Roll Regal Trike
>Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 23:32:30 -0500
>
>
>Hi Mark:
>   I've tried to post a message to the group but it keeps coming back to
> me as undeliverable.  I don't know what I'm doing wrong.  I'm using
> <mailto:Recumbentsmn@yahoogroups.com>Recumbentsmn@yahoogroups.com
>    I have an old EZ Roll Regal Trike I'd like to Give Away.  Terry Osell
> looked at it and says the two plastic wheel bearings for the back wheels
> are shot and it's missing a chain.  But the frame is in Good Condition
> and it's got a big seat, nice handle bars, a big basket on the back and
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> might be used for something interesting.
>   If anybody wants it I am...
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>e-mail: <mailto:rippx001@...>rippx001@...

Mark Stonich
    Minneapolis Minnesota
      http://bikesmithdesign.com
        http://mnhpva.org


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I need someone to take digital photos at Wednesday's meeting.  Just
in case I ever get time to catch up on publishing the meeting notes/pix.

This year the August meeting falls on the 10th, which happens to be
our wedding anniversary (37th).  So, I'll be spending this week in a
cabin on the North Shore with Jane instead of with you folks.

I guess this makes me a  hopeless romantic :-)

BTW the fillet brazing class went quite well, so I'll be doing one
again in the fall.  One gent had never even used Oxy/Acetylene
before.  Yet he managed to do a serviceable, if not particularly
pretty, headtube joint before the day was over.

Others, who had built a few bikes, learned that they had been doing
it the hard way. Fillet brazing can be a leisurely process with
plenty of time to correct the contours of your fillet as you go.


Mark Stonich;
   Minneapolis Minnesota
    http://mnhpva.org
     http://bikesmithdesign.com

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A group for Catrike Enthusiasts. A place to come and talk about there
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Share ideas, Exchange informaton on equipment / Modifacations / and
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I have started a new Yahoo Group to support owners of Infinty
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Here is the link to the group:

http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/InfinityRecumbent/

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To Infinity and Beyond!

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Any interest in getting together for this?
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Hello All!
Just trying to find out if there are going to be any group
participants in this rally located in Stevens Point, WI from 8/12-14.

for more info: http://www.hostelshoppe.com/recumbent_rally.php

I saw Dennis' link and thought about the St. Thomas Academy Solar car
teams victory would be worth mentioning.
This is taught by Mark Westlake who has been getting the kids into the
Ice Bike Races.
They won the Dell Winston-Solar Challenge.

http://www.cadets.com/main.php/News/Press

Very Impressive!
Luke

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> btw, you are all welcome to ride with us on our 17th Annual Tour de Pepin
(same
> route as the English cycling club) on Saturday, July 30. We complete the ride
in
> one day, and the distance is somewhere between 70 and 85 miles, depending on
> who's odometer you believe. We normally meet at IBM bldg 30 parking lot at 7
AM
> and car pool to Red Wing, but can arrange to meet interested cyclists at Red
> Wing where we start the clockwise circumnavigation of Lake Pepin. I would sure
> like to have another 'bent on the ride besides mine!

I am interested in doing this ride.  I would meet you in Red Wing since I live
just north of there.  Where do you meet in Red Wing?  What time?

Thanks,
Greg
River Falls, WI

Took a short ride on the Douglas Trail today, from Rochester to Pine Island,
about 30 miles roundtrip. Out of nostalgia (lack of memory??), I rode my trusty
Fuji Royale upright (hadn't been on it in 7 years). The temp was 76 deg when I
left, and 91 deg when I returned home. My wrists, hands, palms were sore and
numb, my shoulders and neck ached - my memory has been refreshed, 'cause now I
remember why I ride a 'bent. No aches and pains!!

My current 'bents are a '94 Osell 'tank', weighing about 46 lb - indestructible,
much better than a Humvee for patrol duty in Iraq. The newer one is a '97 Tour
Easy, ordered on the phone from Gardner Martin himself. That one weighs only 31
lb, a lot easier on the hills.

If anyone is interested in doing a 'bent ride in the Rochester area, they are
welcome to join me. I usually ride the Root River trail, sometimes the Cannon
Valley trail. Best days for me are Monday, Wednesday, or Friday.

btw, you are all welcome to ride with us on our 17th Annual Tour de Pepin (same
route as the English cycling club) on Saturday, July 30. We complete the ride in
one day, and the distance is somewhere between 70 and 85 miles, depending on
who's odometer you believe. We normally meet at IBM bldg 30 parking lot at 7 AM
and car pool to Red Wing, but can arrange to meet interested cyclists at Red
Wing where we start the clockwise circumnavigation of Lake Pepin. I would sure
like to have another 'bent on the ride besides mine!

Bill

William J Fiandt
507-259-0841 (Sally - cell)
507-269-4806 (Bill - cell 24/7)
fiandt1@...

"Everything is bicycle" - Stephen Crane
Requisat in pacem - Gardner Martin's final words were "Grow
recumbent-----faster."
http://www.easyracers.com/gardner.htm
http://www.easyracers.com/vbb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1515

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I think I lost my black BMX bicycle helmet at the meeting wednesday
evening.It has a yellow reflector on the front and back  , bottom edge. If any
one sees it please let me know.I was into some hot bicycle topics and must have
forgot about it.
bye jeff

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After working on my Home made recumbent built for 2, i finaly got it sort of
running Sat. I talked my girlfreind into going with Sunday morning. She doesnt
know how to ride a bicycle but we went on a short 3 mile ride.Heres my chance to
get her to go with.  Hot day it felt good, so good she wanted to go for another
one about 8 Pm. About an 8 mile ride. anyway she wanted to stop at a restaurant 
but i said it is getting dark soon so lets stop on the way back. The trail we
took wasnt real good , lots of short hills and gravel.Any way we hit a railroad
track rail and down we went, hard. she had some serious bruises and she chewed
me out for the ride back, when we got to the restaurant it was closed.She says
she will never ride with me again. Oh well.
     I want to go to the meeting this week, I dont have to work so i should make
it. where? when? address please?.Its a long drive for me so I want to do it
right .
  Bye jeff

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I'm sorry I'm so late getting this out, but I'm not getting my energy
back as soon as I expected after the surgery.
And "Bikesmith" has been busier than ever lately, so I'm getting way behind

Class;
I'm planning to hold the class on a Saturday in late July or early August.

I can't set a firm date, as I need a day when it's not raining, or
stinking hot. We have 9 or 10 who are interested, so there's no way
to do this in my workshop.   Also it's easier to see what is going
on, through the flux haze, in bright outdoor light.

I'll wait till I see a long range forecast that looks good for a
Saturday.  If Saturday still looks like a go in Tuesday's forecast
I'll email everyone.

I'm going to ask everyone for $2 to cover welding gas etc.

Remember to bring some mitered tubes for practice.   Goggles too if
you have them.  I've a few extras.

If one or two of you can bring a good stand for brazing, like a Park,
that would be great.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------\
-------
Brazing rod and flux order.
The silver flux that I refered to as "less toxic" still isn't
"non-toxic" by any means.  Still has some nasty flourides, but at
least it lacks potassium flouride.  It works just fine
though.  Compared to Harris White, it isn't smooth and creamy, so
doesn't paint on as nicely.  But it seems to resist charring better
and definitely soaks off quicker.   I like it.  I think we can get
this in 1/2 pound jars.  If not, Todd Sorlie gave me some small
plastic jars so we can split pounds.

Most of the people who expressed interest in getting rod or flux
weren't too specific.

I need to know;

How many pounds of 1/16" brazing rod?

How many pounds of 3/32" brazing rod?

How many pounds of flux for brass brazing?

How many pounds or 1/2 pounds of silver flux?

If you can give a range, like 3-5 pounds of 3/32" rod, that will be
helpful, as I think we get the best price on multiples of 10 lbs.

BTW  I use quit a bit of flux with silver.  A pound of flux for 3-4
ounces of silver.  A little silver goes a long way.
Conversely, I probably lay down 3-4 pounds of the brazing rod with a
pound of the flux.

Once I know what we need, I'll ask for prices.  If it's higher or
lower than expected I'll let everyone know, and we can adjust the order a bit.

>Anyone interested in a good deal on the best brazing rod and flux around?
>
>I'm thinking about a large order, direct from GasFlux, but I don't use
>enough by myself to meet their minimums.
>
>Brazing Rod
>GasFlux C-04
>Similar to Low Fuming Bronze, but flows better into small gaps.  It also
>seems to have more surface tension when building fillets.  This is the same
>stuff Henry James sells for $10.05/lb + S+H.  Hank only sells 1/16" which
>is what the pros use, but rookies sometimes do better with 3/32", So I'll
>get both.  I won't know the price till I have a better idea how much we
>need, but I expect it to be about $5/lb including S&H.
>
>Bronze Brazing Flux
>Hank sells GasFlux Type B in 1 pound jars for $9.50.  According to Curt
>Goodrich, Type B-4 is a better choice, but GaxFlux doesn't even show it on
>their website.  It's usually sold in 30 pound pails, but the friendly folks
>at GasFlux say they put some in 1 pound jars if we want a case of 12.  They
>haven't figured out what it would cost by the jar yet, but I expect $5-$7.
>
>Silver brazing flux
>They have several types.  I'm getting samples of their standard flux, and a
>similar flux that is less toxic.  I'll order the less toxic if it works as
>well as the standard stuff.  They also have fluxes for silver brazing for
>longer heat cycles.  This can be useful for rookies as it's more tolerant
>of overheating.
>
>I'll only charge my actual costs + S&H on these.  My "profit" will be my
>savings on what I need.  When I know what we need, I'll email them and get
>a better idea what costs will be before I order.


Mark Stonich;
   Minneapolis Minnesota
    http://mnhpva.org
     http://bikesmithdesign.com

Folks,

Bike E recumbents have been out of production for nearly three years
now. New issues for keeping them on the road will no doubt be popping
up as they start passing the 10,000 15,000 and 20,000 mile marks. I
have started a new Yahoo Group: BikeE Forever! to help owners keep them
going.

Please let your friends with BikeEs know about it. Here is the link.

http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/BikeEForever/?yguid=98801700


Russell Allen Zech
BentNation!

Fellow HPV nut Nick Hein of West Virginia, will be in town next week
for a wedding.  He should get here in time for the tail end of the
MnHPVA meeting on the 13th.

The next morning I'll be leading a ride to show Nick some of the
trails that have been added since he lived here

Start  8:30 AM @ my house, 5349 Elliot Ave S.

I've a couple of loops planned, of about 25-30 miles each.  I figure
we'll see which one sounds better to Nick when he gets here.

Pace won't be too brisk probably about a C+.  I saw my surgeon
yesterday, and she says it will be a couple more weeks before I will
be over the effects of the surgery.

Mark Stonich;
   Minneapolis Minnesota
    http://mnhpva.org
     http://bikesmithdesign.com