I dont understand why there are so many Raptor haters, I like are team much
better then a few NBA teams. The Knicks are a complete disgrace, The
warriors have traded away so much talent it makes Babcock look like a god.
The Hawks might have finally got enough young talent to make a push in the
future, That's if they keep all the talent. The Raptors have gone threw hell
in the last year, We had to take a new approach.


>From: "green_barbarian" <linkinpark_1030@...>
>Reply-To: rappak@yahoogroups.com
>To: rappak@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [Rap Pak] Re: Rafer out....Mike James in...stats
>Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 05:09:19 -0000
>
>am i mistaken or was it babcock who gave alston that ridiculous
>contract in the first place? no matter what babcock is an idiot and
>this organization is just seen as a laughing stock and farm team for
>other clubs (ie: the vince carter for manure trade).
>
>
>--- In rappak@yahoogroups.com, "kirk dickson" <Kirk_J_Dickson@h...>
>wrote:
> >
> > I love it when fans who do not have an understanding of the
>business of
> > sports speak out. This trade is more then just talent for talent,
>Read some
> > reports and then come talk to us please.
> >
> >
> > >From: "green_barbarian" <linkinpark_1030@h...>
> > >Reply-To: rappak@yahoogroups.com
> > >To: rappak@yahoogroups.com
> > >Subject: [Rap Pak] Re: Rafer out....Mike James in...stats
> > >Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 07:47:09 -0000
> > >
> > >is there anyone dumber than rob babcock? look at how he's wrecking
> > >this team. i wouldn't even trust him as a baby sitter.
> > >
> > >
> > >--- In rappak@yahoogroups.com, freewheel_99 <no_reply@y...> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > The money is huge for sure, but I truly hope James plays
> > >effectively.
> > > > Not only because the Raps need more than one player to fill all
> > >those
> > > > PG minutes, but in a perfect world James could be a nice
>backup PG
> > > > down the road.
> > > >
> > > > It wont make or break the trade, but I'm hoping James is more
>than
> > > > just a salary dump. I want good players on my team to
>watch!!! ;)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In rappak@yahoogroups.com, "kirk dickson"
> > ><Kirk_J_Dickson@h...> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I really think comparing any stats from this trade is a
>waste of
> > > > time. This
> > > > > deal was not based on talent for talent by either team, The
> > >Rockets
> > > > needed
> > > > > another PG because Bob Sura might never play again and the
> > >Raptors
> > > > wanted
> > > > > cap room for the future and Alston was not really a good fit
> > >here.
> > > > James
> > > > > will never have the potential to have 10 assists a game like
> > >Alston
> > > > did and
> > > > > he may never score the 15-20 PTS Alston was more then
>capable of.
> > > > James is a
> > > > > good scorer who plays both ends of the court equally well,
>The
> > > > Babcock and
> > > > > Mitchell model player.
> > > > >
> > > > > The only stats that matter to me are these:
> > > > >
> > > > > Rafer Alston------2005-06-----$3,850,000 Mike
> > > > > James------2005-06-----$3,410,000
> > > > > 2006-07-----
> > >$4,200,000
> > > >
> > > > > 2006-07-----$3,720,000
> > > > > 2007-08-----
> > >$4,550,000
> > > >
> > > > > $0
> > > > > 2008-09-----
> > >$4,900,000
> > > >
> > > > > $0
> > > > > 2009-10-----
> > >$5,250,000
> > > >
> > > > > $0
> > > > >
> > > > > TOTAL----- $22,750,000
> > > > > TOTAL--------$7,130,000
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > We only save $920,000 over the next two seasons but the 3
>seasons
> > > > after that
> > > > > we save $14,700,000 all together. The year we have a
>qualifying
> > >on
> > > > offer on
> > > > > Chris Bosh is the same year Mike James contract ends.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >From: freewheel_99 <no_reply@yahoogroups.com>
> > > > > >Reply-To: rappak@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > >To: rappak@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > >Subject: [Rap Pak] Re: Rafer out....Mike James in...stats
> > > > > >Date: Sat, 08 Oct 2005 02:15:00 -0000
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Here's a better stat comparison.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Two seasons ago (2003-04) Rafer played 82 games for the
>Heat at
> > >31.5
> > > > > >minutes per game. That same season James played 55 games
>for the
> > > > > >Celtics at 30.5 minutes and 25 games for the Pistons at 20
> > >minutes.
> > > > > >Lets say James averaged 27.5 minutes for the season. Thats
> > >pretty
> > > > > >close. With that in mind check out the link below. Its a
> > >comparison of
> > > > > >the two players for that season and shows how nearly
>identical
> > >they
> > > > > >were. I'm not going to put down James offensive skills quite
> > >yet,
> > > > > >particularily his shooting ability.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >http://www.hoopsstats.com/basketball/fantasy/nba/boston-
> > >celtics/players/mike-james/comparison/04/2/22/197/
> > > > > >
> > > > > >By the way Hoopsstats is a really cool stats site. Better
>than
> > >82games
> > > > > >IMO.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >--- In rappak@yahoogroups.com, "kirk dickson"
> > ><Kirk_J_Dickson@h...>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The stats comparing Alston and James really do not say
> > >anything
> > > > > >towards how
> > > > > > > this deal should be compared. Rafer Alston is a better
> > >talent then
> > > > > >James,
> > > > > > > But James might be a better fit for are team.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >From: freewheel_99 <no_reply@yahoogroups.com>
> > > > > > > >Reply-To: rappak@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > > > >To: rappak@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > > > >Subject: [Rap Pak] Re: Rafer out....Mike James in
> > > > > > > >Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 04:22:52 -0000
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >Here's some stats I dug up on both Alston and James from
> > >last
> > > > season.
> > > > > > > >I'm not a big fan of stats telling the whole story, but
>it
> > > > appears the
> > > > > > > >two players are quite similar in talent.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >Mike James 2004-05
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >- Has scored 20+ points in 11 games
> > > > > > > >- Has started 5 games
> > > > > > > >- Has won 20 matchups against PGs (minumum 25 minutes to
> > >qualify)
> > > > > > > >- Has lost 18 matchups against PGs
> > > > > > > >- Has won 6 matchups against top 10 Point-Guards
> > > > > > > >- Has lost 8 matchup against top 10 Point-Guards
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >Rafer Alston 2004-05
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >- Has scored 20+ points in 13 games
> > > > > > > >- Has started 78 games
> > > > > > > >- Has won 33 matchups against PGs (minumum 25 minutes to
> > >qualify)
> > > > > > > >- Has lost 36 matchups against PGs
> > > > > > > >- Has won 4 matchups against top 10 Point-Guards
> > > > > > > >- Has lost 19 matchups against top 10 Point-Guards
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >Mike James team has beaten Rafer Alstons team the last 8
> > >times
> > > > the two
> > > > > > > >players have faced each other. This covers James time
>with
> > >the
> > > > Bucks,
> > > > > > > >Pistons, Celtics, and Heat and covers Alstons time with
>the
> > > > Raptors,
> > > > > > > >Heat, and Raptors again.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
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