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RE: [Rap Pak] Re: Rafer out....Mike James in...stats

I really think comparing any stats from this trade is a waste of time. This
deal was not based on talent for talent by either team, The Rockets needed
another PG because Bob Sura might never play again and the Raptors wanted
cap room for the future and Alston was not really a good fit here. James
will never have the potential to have 10 assists a game like Alston did and
he may never score the 15-20 PTS Alston was more then capable of. James is a
good scorer who plays both ends of the court equally well, The Babcock and
Mitchell model player.

The only stats that matter to me are these:

Rafer Alston------2005-06-----$3,850,000 Mike
James------2005-06-----$3,410,000
2006-07-----$4,200,000
2006-07-----$3,720,000
2007-08-----$4,550,000
$0
2008-09-----$4,900,000
$0
2009-10-----$5,250,000
$0

TOTAL----- $22,750,000
TOTAL--------$7,130,000


We only save $920,000 over the next two seasons but the 3 seasons after that
we save $14,700,000 all together. The year we have a qualifying on offer on
Chris Bosh is the same year Mike James contract ends.














>From: freewheel_99 <no_reply@yahoogroups.com>
>Reply-To: rappak@yahoogroups.com
>To: rappak@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [Rap Pak] Re: Rafer out....Mike James in...stats
>Date: Sat, 08 Oct 2005 02:15:00 -0000
>
>Here's a better stat comparison.
>
>Two seasons ago (2003-04) Rafer played 82 games for the Heat at 31.5
>minutes per game. That same season James played 55 games for the
>Celtics at 30.5 minutes and 25 games for the Pistons at 20 minutes.
>Lets say James averaged 27.5 minutes for the season. Thats pretty
>close. With that in mind check out the link below. Its a comparison of
>the two players for that season and shows how nearly identical they
>were. I'm not going to put down James offensive skills quite yet,
>particularily his shooting ability.
>
>http://www.hoopsstats.com/basketball/fantasy/nba/boston-celtics/players/mike-ja\
mes/comparison/04/2/22/197/

>
>By the way Hoopsstats is a really cool stats site. Better than 82games
>IMO.
>
>
>
>--- In rappak@yahoogroups.com, "kirk dickson" <Kirk_J_Dickson@h...> wrote:
> >
> > The stats comparing Alston and James really do not say anything
>towards how
> > this deal should be compared. Rafer Alston is a better talent then
>James,
> > But James might be a better fit for are team.
> >
> >
> > >From: freewheel_99 <no_reply@yahoogroups.com>
> > >Reply-To: rappak@yahoogroups.com
> > >To: rappak@yahoogroups.com
> > >Subject: [Rap Pak] Re: Rafer out....Mike James in
> > >Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 04:22:52 -0000
> > >
> > >Here's some stats I dug up on both Alston and James from last season.
> > >I'm not a big fan of stats telling the whole story, but it appears the
> > >two players are quite similar in talent.
> > >
> > >Mike James 2004-05
> > >
> > >- Has scored 20+ points in 11 games
> > >- Has started 5 games
> > >- Has won 20 matchups against PGs (minumum 25 minutes to qualify)
> > >- Has lost 18 matchups against PGs
> > >- Has won 6 matchups against top 10 Point-Guards
> > >- Has lost 8 matchup against top 10 Point-Guards
> > >
> > >Rafer Alston 2004-05
> > >
> > >- Has scored 20+ points in 13 games
> > >- Has started 78 games
> > >- Has won 33 matchups against PGs (minumum 25 minutes to qualify)
> > >- Has lost 36 matchups against PGs
> > >- Has won 4 matchups against top 10 Point-Guards
> > >- Has lost 19 matchups against top 10 Point-Guards
> > >
> > >Mike James team has beaten Rafer Alstons team the last 8 times the two
> > >players have faced each other. This covers James time with the Bucks,
> > >Pistons, Celtics, and Heat and covers Alstons time with the Raptors,
> > >Heat, and Raptors again.
> > >
> > >
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The Raps traded problem child Rafer Alston to the Houston Rockets for eratic but less volatile Mike James on the first day of training camp. Weird timing since...
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I think there are several positives about this trade: 1. I removes the chemistry issue. 2. I think the raptor management is high on Caledron and this probably ...
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Here's some stats I dug up on both Alston and James from last season. I'm not a big fan of stats telling the whole story, but it appears the two players are...
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The stats comparing Alston and James really do not say anything towards how this deal should be compared. Rafer Alston is a better talent then James, But James...
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Here's a better stat comparison. Two seasons ago (2003-04) Rafer played 82 games for the Heat at 31.5 minutes per game. That same season James played 55 games...
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I really think comparing any stats from this trade is a waste of time. This deal was not based on talent for talent by either team, The Rockets needed another...
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The money is huge for sure, but I truly hope James plays effectively. Not only because the Raps need more than one player to fill all those PG minutes, but in...
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is there anyone dumber than rob babcock? look at how he's wrecking this team. i wouldn't even trust him as a baby sitter. ... effectively. ... those ... ...
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I love it when fans who do not have an understanding of the business of sports speak out. This trade is more then just talent for talent, Read some reports and...
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Well another dissapointing loss to the Celtics lastnight. I think we should have won it easily but its only pre-season so im not to upset. Jose Calderon had 6...
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am i mistaken or was it babcock who gave alston that ridiculous contract in the first place? no matter what babcock is an idiot and this organization is just...
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The Rafer Alston contract looked great for the Raptors when Vince Carter was here, When Vince was traded we started to look to the future. The future did not...
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Actually I don't care now that Alstons contract was maybe a little long. It was an asset gained and then flipped for another asset. Originally the Raps had...
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