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Re: [racewalking] Hip Drop

Steve,

Don't create a hip drop!!!! It takes us years to retrain those who have
exaggerated hip drop to minimize it. There is no advantage to having hip
drop...since the hip that "drops" in single support phase (standing on
just one leg) is the unsupported hip which is supposed to be rotating
forward and bringing the unsupported leg with it, and the more that hip
drops the higher one has to lift the unsupported leg to get the foot to
swing through with the leg. Hence more drop equals more knee bend and
less rotation of hip girdle around the spine (so called "hip
rotation"). It is the "hip rotation" that allows us to gain inches per
stride over having no rotation at all (like so many, many racewalkers).
Hip drop is anathema (highly accursed). The sway that Jeff mentions
occurs when in the single support phase ever so slightly with or without
hip drop....when it occurs with hip drop id is often exaggerated and is
doubly cursed...it serves no useful purpose in that case and tends to
direct muscular energy in the wrong direction (sideways).

Tom

Steve Patat wrote:
> I am still trying to understand hip drop. When I make my stride I do get a
> feel that I am getting hip rotation(back and forward movement). I am not
> sure my stride is longer in the rear. I get no feel for the hips moving up
> and down.(Sometimes I get a feeling they move out. I try to keep that at a
> minimum.) So I do not think I have any hip drop. I am reading Jeff's new
> book which has a very detailed description of how the hips should move. I am
> just not sure why the hip drops. Could someone take a shot and explain why
> the hip should drop? Should it be a noticeable movement and is it something
> that should come as a natural movement or should I try to create the drop?
> Also, is it something I should be concerned about? Again, I thank all for
> your help. Steve
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I am still trying to understand hip drop. When I make my stride I do get a feel that I am getting hip rotation(back and forward movement). I am not sure my...
Steve Patat
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Jul 6, 2009
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Steve, Don't create a hip drop!!!! It takes us years to retrain those who have exaggerated hip drop to minimize it. There is no advantage to having hip ...
Tom Eastler
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Jul 6, 2009
2:49 am

To further what Tom said, any excess hip movement (up, down, in, out) is the result of poor mechanics caused by weak glute, hip & core muscles and accentuated...
Michael Roth
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Jul 6, 2009
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MJR, Maybe the new baby is causing me to become a pacifist. I agree with Michael as well! May I add: If your coach teaches hip drop, drop your coach instead. ...
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Jul 6, 2009
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Steve/Tom, Tom: I saw the heading and assumed we'd get into a fistfight. We don't completely agree on all things hip, but I find myself in complete agreement...
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Jul 6, 2009
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Dave, Thanks for the comments. We do agree a lot these days. Stranger things have happened. Tom...
Tom Eastler
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Jul 6, 2009
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I would like to THANK all for their comments. You have made it much clearer to me. It has been confusing when you see all the different styles of these great...
Steve Patat
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Jul 6, 2009
12:19 pm

I'm, going to have to agree with Mr. Bohlen and disagree with all the other esteemed commentators, successful athletes, coaches and learned racewalk scholars...
Ray Sharp
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Jul 6, 2009
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Ray, I don't think anyone is disagreeing that hip-drop exists or has its place. The point is that it shouldn't be forced or overemphasized. Your analysis of...
Dave McGovern
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Jul 6, 2009
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Dave, and all interested parties: I agree with everything Dave says below, and so, by corollary, what Tom, Jeff, Michael and Tim said as well. With the proper...
Ray Sharp
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Jul 6, 2009
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Put on a shirt that is a very different color than your walking shorts. Tuck the shirt in. This creates a roughly horizontal line between your shorts and your...
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Jul 6, 2009
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Niceto see us all agree. Jeff Salvage www.racewalk.com www.racewalkclinic.com   ________________________________ From: Tom Eastler <eastler@...> To:...
Jeff Salvage
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Jul 6, 2009
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Hi Steve, I've been thinking about this some. Here are my thoughts on the purpose of the hip drop: The hip drop is on the side opposite the straightened leg,...
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Jul 6, 2009
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Hello Steve, The section that you are referring to is on page 19-21 in Race Walk Clinic - in a Book, and while the diagrams might make it seem that there is a...
Tim
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Jul 6, 2009
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This is simply a compilation of the hip-drop discussion, no new material is added. JM Steve Patat: I am still trying to understand hip drop. When I make my...
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Jul 6, 2009
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Everyone has given great answers regarding hip drop. Good scientific bio-mechanical reasoning. I'm just wondering if it was "information overload" for Steve...
rael2003
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Jul 7, 2009
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Chris, I haven't found a person yet who can't actually experience the pelvic rotation around the spine ("hip rotation") in a few minute technique session on a...
Tom Eastler
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Jul 7, 2009
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Chris, I have been doing what I call racewalking for 5-6 years (occasionally). I believe I am legal. I am very slow and want to go faster. At my best I was...
Steve Patat
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