Paul



The following words are not mine they come from the UKA site



Regards



Nick



UK ATHLETICS BEIJING OLYMPIC SELECTION

POLICY UK Athletics Olympic Selection Policy July 2007



  In cases where no athlete achieves the `A' standard qualifications

described in Section 2, one athlete with the lower `B' standard may

be nominated if they are likely to eventually achieve a podium/top 8

result at the Games, and if their selection provides an important

competitive development opportunity towards a subsequent appearance

in 2012. Specifically, an athlete nominated under the `B' standard

would be expected to meet one or more of the following criteria:



demonstrate a rising profile as an emerging performer, through, for

example, achievement of the `B' standard at multiple events;



demonstrate a level of performance which would be capable of

eventually achieving a podium/top 8 at the Games; and/or



not have previously participated in an Olympic Games, and in no more

than one World Senior Championships.



>

> Can someone explain why there is a B standard and having achieved

it (no one

> else having achieved this or an A standard) is not then selected?

What is

> the point?

>

> Paul

>

>

>

>    _____

>

> From: racewalk@yahoogroups.com [mailto:racewalk@yahoogroups.com] On

Behalf

> Of Tony Bell

> Sent: 19 May 2008 17:07

> To: racewalk@yahoogroups.com

> Subject: [UK racewalk] Jo for Beijing :-) but not Dan :-(

>

>

>

> Hello all

>

> HYPERLINK

> "http://www.ukathletics.net/press-centre/news-archive/may-2008/19-

05-08-"htt

> p://www.ukathlet-ics.net/press--centre/news--archive/may--2008/19-

05--08-

> boa-endur/

>

> announces the British marathon and racewalk teams for Beijing.

Johanna

> Jackson has been selected for the womens 20km walk but no men have

been

> selected. Dan King has the B-standard for the 50km but hasn't been

> selected.

>

> Anyone know if Dan has a chance of selection at a later date?

>

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Hello folks



Nick posted



> Paul

>

> The following words are not mine they come from the UKA site

>

> Regards

>

> Nick

>

> UK ATHLETICS BEIJING OLYMPIC SELECTION

> POLICY UK Athletics Olympic Selection Policy July 2007

>

> In cases where no athlete achieves the `A' standard qualifications

> described in Section 2, one athlete with the lower `B' standard may

> be nominated if they are likely to eventually achieve a podium/top 8

> result at the Games, and if their selection provides an important

> competitive development opportunity towards a subsequent appearance

> in 2012. Specifically, an athlete nominated under the `B' standard

> would be expected to meet one or more of the following criteria:

>

> demonstrate a rising profile as an emerging performer, through, for

> example, achievement of the `B' standard at multiple events;

>

> demonstrate a level of performance which would be capable of

> eventually achieving a podium/top 8 at the Games; and/or

>

> not have previously participated in an Olympic Games, and in no more

> than one World Senior Championships.

>

> __





Dan has never competed in an Olympics or world championships,  it

looks like UKA/BOA don't think Dan can make the top 8 in London 2012.



PS Today is May 20th, 1 year to the day since the European Cup. What

a day that was :-)



bye



tony....

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Appleton, Warrington, Cheshire.

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--- In racewalk@yahoogroups.com, Tony Bell <ynotlleb1@...> wrote:

>

> Hello folks

>

> Nick posted

>

> > Paul

> >

> > The following words

.

.

.

>

>

> Dan has never competed in an Olympics or world championships,  it

> looks like UKA/BOA don't think Dan can make the top 8 in London

2012.

>

> PS Today is May 20th, 1 year to the day since the European Cup.

What

> a day that was :-)

>

> bye

>

> tony....

> --

> Tony Bell - ynotlleb@....

.

.

.



Well decisions like this make it a self-fulfilling prophesy, don't

they? Anyone in the top 8 in 2012 will have had altitude training,

warm-weather training, physio support, coaching, and prior top-class

competitive experience that it is hardly possible for any normal

person in any country to finance out of their own resources. I.E. ALL

will have had support and will have had the right decisions from

their national federations. If you don't get an Olympic place despite

making the B standard in only your second race at the distance, it

sends a load and clear message about whether you will get the rest of

the package.



Good luck Jo



- Graham

Hello again



Graham replied



> snip

>

> >

> > Dan has never competed in an Olympics or world championships, it

> > looks like UKA/BOA don't think Dan can make the top 8 in London

> 2012.

> >

> > PS Today is May 20th, 1 year to the day since the European Cup.

> What

> > a day that was :-)

> >

> > bye

> >

> > tony....

>

> snip

> .

>

> Well decisions like this make it a self-fulfilling prophesy, don't

> they? Anyone in the top 8 in 2012 will have had altitude training,

> warm-weather training, physio support, coaching, and prior top-class

> competitive experience that it is hardly possible for any normal

> person in any country to finance out of their own resources. I.E. ALL

> will have had support and will have had the right decisions from

> their national federations. If you don't get an Olympic place despite

> making the B standard in only your second race at the distance, it

> sends a load and clear message about whether you will get the rest of

> the package.

>

> Good luck Jo

>

> - Graham

>



Well Jo went to Osaka last summer with the B standard, after that she

got a warm weather trip to Australia and we all know what happened then.



I wonder what would happen if Dan were to get the 20km B standard

some time over the next month (at Leamington?), would that get him a

trip to China?



Thinking further ahead to the next 2012 London Olympic Games is there

anyone else in the pipeline who could join the 4 walkers (Dan, Dom,

Jo and Ben) who walked in the World Cup  as possible members of the

2012 Olympic race walk team?



bye



tony....

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Tony Bell - ynotlleb@...

Appleton, Warrington, Cheshire.

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tony....

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It seems to me that the gap in the men’s field (UK and the rest of the

world) is getting ever bigger and stronger. What would we have to do to

produce an athlete who could compete at the very top level? If we know what

to do are we doing it? Or are the sacrifices too much for any one to take up

the challenge?  Or, with all of the other sports on offer in the UK, are we

unable to attract people into our pool? Or, are we waiting for a miracle to

happen?



  There is still so much ignorance at home as to what Race Walking is. Most

people I come across seem to think that its power walking for fitness

purposes only. Until the profile, respect and understanding is raised what

chance do we stand in having a decent pool of walkers to draw from?







Who ever set the B standard time must have known that there would be more

than 8 people achieving the A standard thus precluding the B standard from

being offered a place. If this is down to UKA then they must surely know the

score and why even come up with a B standard knowing that achieving it would

still not get you a place on the team? There are enough people in the UK

making fun of us without our friends(?) doing the same.



















    _____



From: racewalk@yahoogroups.com [mailto:racewalk@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf

Of Tony Bell

Sent: 20 May 2008 18:37

To: racewalk@yahoogroups.com

Subject: Re: [UK racewalk] Jo for Beijing :-) but not Dan UK ATHLETICS

BEIJING OLYMPIC SELECTION







Hello folks



Nick posted



> Paul

>

> The following words are not mine they come from the UKA site

>

> Regards

>

> Nick

>

> UK ATHLETICS BEIJING OLYMPIC SELECTION

> POLICY UK Athletics Olympic Selection Policy July 2007

>

> In cases where no athlete achieves the `A' standard qualifications

> described in Section 2, one athlete with the lower `B' standard may

> be nominated if they are likely to eventually achieve a podium/top 8

> result at the Games, and if their selection provides an important

> competitive development opportunity towards a subsequent appearance

> in 2012. Specifically, an athlete nominated under the `B' standard

> would be expected to meet one or more of the following criteria:

>

> demonstrate a rising profile as an emerging performer, through, for

> example, achievement of the `B' standard at multiple events;

>

> demonstrate a level of performance which would be capable of

> eventually achieving a podium/top 8 at the Games; and/or

>

> not have previously participated in an Olympic Games, and in no more

> than one World Senior Championships.

>

> __



Dan has never competed in an Olympics or world championships, it

looks like UKA/BOA don't think Dan can make the top 8 in London 2012.



PS Today is May 20th, 1 year to the day since the European Cup. What

a day that was :-)



bye



tony....

--

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"mailto:ynotlleb%40btinternet.com"ynotlleb@btinternet-.com

Appleton, Warrington, Cheshire.

HYPERLINK "http://tinyurl.com/38uybu"http://tinyurl.-com/38uybu



tony....

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,

A & B standards are set by international authorities (IAAF/IOC), I will keep my

own counsel on the our capacity to find the athletes, I have been subjected a

little too much abuse over recent months to fully outline this again, reactive V

Proactive is best way to describe this!  What I will say is we need to return to

being part of athletics rather than thinking we are a separate sport, we are an

event in a whole sport.



It is possible to get the times, others in other countries do it.  The required

standards were achieved by men working  full time as long as 30 years ago and

yes in a commonwealth country.



Dan is a very capable athlete, as is Dom they will make it if the circumstances

are right, just perhaps not this time.



Mark







> To: racewalk@yahoogroups.com

> From: paulhayden1@...

> Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 22:15:38 +0100

> Subject: RE: [UK racewalk] Jo for Beijing :-) but not Dan UK ATHLETICS BEIJING

OLYMPIC SELECTION

>

> It seems to me that the gap in the men’s field (UK and the rest of the

> world) is getting ever bigger and stronger. What would we have to do to

> produce an athlete who could compete at the very top level? If we know what

> to do are we doing it? Or are the sacrifices too much for any one to take up

> the challenge?  Or, with all of the other sports on offer in the UK, are we

> unable to attract people into our pool? Or, are we waiting for a miracle to

> happen?

>

>  There is still so much ignorance at home as to what Race Walking is. Most

> people I come across seem to think that its power walking for fitness

> purposes only. Until the profile, respect and understanding is raised what

> chance do we stand in having a decent pool of walkers to draw from?

>

>

>

> Who ever set the B standard time must have known that there would be more

> than 8 people achieving the A standard thus precluding the B standard from

> being offered a place. If this is down to UKA then they must surely know the

> score and why even come up with a B standard knowing that achieving it would

> still not get you a place on the team? There are enough people in the UK

> making fun of us without our friends(?) doing the same.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>    _____

>

> From: racewalk@yahoogroups.com [mailto:racewalk@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf

> Of Tony Bell

> Sent: 20 May 2008 18:37

> To: racewalk@yahoogroups.com

> Subject: Re: [UK racewalk] Jo for Beijing :-) but not Dan UK ATHLETICS

> BEIJING OLYMPIC SELECTION

>

>

>

> Hello folks

>

> Nick posted

>

> > Paul

> >

> > The following words are not mine they come from the UKA site

> >

> > Regards

> >

> > Nick

> >

> > UK ATHLETICS BEIJING OLYMPIC SELECTION

> > POLICY UK Athletics Olympic Selection Policy July 2007

> >

> > In cases where no athlete achieves the `A' standard qualifications

> > described in Section 2, one athlete with the lower `B' standard may

> > be nominated if they are likely to eventually achieve a podium/top 8

> > result at the Games, and if their selection provides an important

> > competitive development opportunity towards a subsequent appearance

> > in 2012. Specifically, an athlete nominated under the `B' standard

> > would be expected to meet one or more of the following criteria:

> >

> > demonstrate a rising profile as an emerging performer, through, for

> > example, achievement of the `B' standard at multiple events;

> >

> > demonstrate a level of performance which would be capable of

> > eventually achieving a podium/top 8 at the Games; and/or

> >

> > not have previously participated in an Olympic Games, and in no more

> > than one World Senior Championships.

> >

> > __

>

> Dan has never competed in an Olympics or world championships, it

> looks like UKA/BOA don't think Dan can make the top 8 in London 2012.

>

> PS Today is May 20th, 1 year to the day since the European Cup. What

> a day that was :-)

>

> bye

>

> tony....

> --

> Tony Bell - HYPERLINK

> "mailto:ynotlleb%40btinternet.com"ynotlleb@btinternet-.com

> Appleton, Warrington, Cheshire.

> HYPERLINK "http://tinyurl.com/38uybu"http://tinyurl.-com/38uybu

>

> tony....

> --

> Tony Bell - HYPERLINK "mailto:ynotlleb1%40mac.com"ynotlleb1@mac.-com

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