Peter,

Well done on the below results!

However I was just wondering why the indoor distances
were moved up to 5k when time considerations was the
excuse given to us in the past when they were only
3km??

Also i feel the UKA 20k should be held along with the
Leamington GP and the RWA/AAA 20k held along with the
T&F Champs as it would add more prestige to
performances achieved over 20k, aswell as fulfill
every athletes dream of winning 20km  races entering
the stadium from the road etc and this is the premium
distance anyway.

Only my personal opinions!

Pierce





--- Peter Cassidy <peter.cassidy@...>
wrote:
> An update on the position of walks in track and
> field championships.
>
> 1. Cliff Robinson, Secretary of the U.K.C.A.U., will
> be proposing to his
> Management Committee the reinstatement of the 3000m
> walk in the
> Inter-Counties Championships in 2004.
>
> 2.  Following my consultation - and a fair number of
> replies - I submitted
> proposals to the A.A.A. of E. on the position of
> race walking events in
> future A.A.A. Championships, indoors and outdoors,
> for all age groups. The
> presence of walks in those champs is now assured,
> provisionally with the
> following distances and entry standards; the entry
> standards will be
> reviewed at the the end of the summer season. (The
> fingures in parenthesis
> are the numbers who would have qualified on 2002's
> performances.)
>
> Indoors
> SM 5000m 27:00 (24)
> SW 5000m 28:30 (27)
> U23/JM 3000m 17:00 (11)
> U23/JW 3000m 17:30 (9)
> U17M 3000m 17:30 (16)
> U17W 3000m 18:00 (12)
> U15B 3000m 18:00 (9)*
> U15G 3000m 18:30 (11)*
>
> * dependent on the institution of such
> championships.
>
> Outdoors
> SM 5000m 27:00 (24)
> SW 5000m 28:30 (27)
> U23/JM 10000m 55:00 (9)
> U23/JW 5000m 30:00 (13)
> U17M 5000m 30:00 (7)
> U17W 5000m 31:00 (7)
> U15B 3000m 19:00 (10)
> U15G 3000m 19:30 (18)
>
> Many thanks to all who responded to my enquiries and
> especially to Brian
> Adams, who produced  the statistics about the
> numbers of qualifiers.
>
> Peter Cassidy
>
>
>


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5k was marginally preferred (by the respondents)  for indoors
because, I imagine, it is slightly slower that 3k and might give the
uninformed spectator more of an impression of walking rather
than running and no-one really likes 3k races much, anyway.
There is no chance of having the 20k in the T. & F. Champs; it is
true that it might actually occupy less track time than a 10k (or
even a 5k) with just a lap or two at the beginning and end, but the
problem is in knowing when the end will be; at the end of a 20k,
there may well be a period of 20 minutes with only one or two
walkers on the track at a time, which is hardly spectator-friendly.
The iterest in a 20k will all be outside on the road; by the time
they get back to the track it's all over bar the shouting.
(As your people have a tendency to win A.A.A. oF E. Champs, you
are, of course, at liberty to have an opinion!

Peter Cassidy
--- In racewalk@yahoogroups.com, Pierce O'Callaghan
<pierceoc@y...> wrote:
> Peter,
>
> Well done on the below results!
>
> However I was just wondering why the indoor distances
> were moved up to 5k when time considerations was the
> excuse given to us in the past when they were only
> 3km??
>
> Also i feel the UKA 20k should be held along with the
> Leamington GP and the RWA/AAA 20k held along with the
> T&F Champs as it would add more prestige to
> performances achieved over 20k, aswell as fulfill
> every athletes dream of winning 20km  races entering
> the stadium from the road etc and this is the premium
> distance anyway.
>
> Only my personal opinions!
>
> Pierce
>
>
>
>
>
> --- Peter Cassidy <peter.cassidy@b...>
> wrote:
> > An update on the position of walks in track and
> > field championships.
> >
> > 1. Cliff Robinson, Secretary of the U.K.C.A.U., will
> > be proposing to his
> > Management Committee the reinstatement of the 3000m
> > walk in the
> > Inter-Counties Championships in 2004.
> >
> > 2.  Following my consultation - and a fair number of
> > replies - I submitted
> > proposals to the A.A.A. of E. on the position of
> > race walking events in
> > future A.A.A. Championships, indoors and outdoors,
> > for all age groups. The
> > presence of walks in those champs is now assured,
> > provisionally with the
> > following distances and entry standards; the entry
> > standards will be
> > reviewed at the the end of the summer season. (The
> > fingures in parenthesis
> > are the numbers who would have qualified on 2002's
> > performances.)
> >
> > Indoors
> > SM 5000m 27:00 (24)
> > SW 5000m 28:30 (27)
> > U23/JM 3000m 17:00 (11)
> > U23/JW 3000m 17:30 (9)
> > U17M 3000m 17:30 (16)
> > U17W 3000m 18:00 (12)
> > U15B 3000m 18:00 (9)*
> > U15G 3000m 18:30 (11)*
> >
> > * dependent on the institution of such
> > championships.
> >
> > Outdoors
> > SM 5000m 27:00 (24)
> > SW 5000m 28:30 (27)
> > U23/JM 10000m 55:00 (9)
> > U23/JW 5000m 30:00 (13)
> > U17M 5000m 30:00 (7)
> > U17W 5000m 31:00 (7)
> > U15B 3000m 19:00 (10)
> > U15G 3000m 19:30 (18)
> >
> > Many thanks to all who responded to my enquiries and
> > especially to Brian
> > Adams, who produced  the statistics about the
> > numbers of qualifiers.
> >
> > Peter Cassidy
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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I forwarded on the mail re the Canadian bid excluding
the walks in the Commonwealth bid to Nathan deakes and
his reply is enclosed,

Any other Brits racing the Dublin GP please let me
know distance and flight details asap. (only 2 50k men
and 2 20km men so far!)

Pierce



>>>Hi All,

After reading about the 2010 Hamilton CG bid proposal,
I sent an email to Perry Crosswhite, ACGA CEO. His
reply is below and I'm sure all will be very
interested in his comments and thoughts.

Nathan.



>From: "Perry Crosswhite"
>Reply-To: "Perry Crosswhite"
>To:
>CC: "Simon Allatson" , "Keith Connor" , "Diane
Gallagher"
>Subject: Hamilton 2010 Bid
>Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2003 08:38:24 +1000
>
>
>Nathan,
>
>Thanks for your email re. the proposed program for
the 2010 Games in Hamilton. Thanks for bringing to my
attention the proposed exclusion of walking events.
>
>As an appointed member of the CGF's Evaluation
Commission for the 2010 Bids I will be going to Canada
at the end of this month. We also go to India which is
also bidding for 2010 (the walks events are included
in their bid). You can be confident that the proposed
program for both bids will be examined in detail.
>
>As ACGA CEO I can advise you of our strong position
re. walks events. These events are an integral part of
the Games athletics program and I have no doubt the
IAAF would insist on the inclusion. The ACGA's
position re. the 2010 bids will be significantly
influenced by what is proposed for the sports programs
for both bids.
>
>Hope the above assists with your understanding.
>
>Perry
>
>
>
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I have just started walking again after a very long break. Is there
anyone who could tell me where I can buy race walking shoes from in
England?
Cheers Bob

Peter,

Thanks for your (and Brians) work on this. Can I ask for one, seemingly
pedantic, change. That is can the references to the event in AAA adverts and
event program be called Race Walking or Race Walk, as "walking" implys a
gentle stroll round the local park.

Martin Bell

>From: Peter Cassidy <peter.cassidy@...>
>Reply-To: racewalk@yahoogroups.com
>To: "Race Walking Group, U.K." <racewalk@yahoogroups.com>
>Subject: [UK racewalk] Keeping the walks
>Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2003 09:49:58 +0100
>
>An update on the position of walks in track and field championships.
>
>1. Cliff Robinson, Secretary of the U.K.C.A.U., will be proposing to his
>Management Committee the reinstatement of the 3000m walk in the
>Inter-Counties Championships in 2004.
>
>2.  Following my consultation - and a fair number of replies - I submitted
>proposals to the A.A.A. of E. on the position of race walking events in
>future A.A.A. Championships, indoors and outdoors, for all age groups. The
>presence of walks in those champs is now assured, provisionally with the
>following distances and entry standards; the entry standards will be
>reviewed at the the end of the summer season. (The fingures in parenthesis
>are the numbers who would have qualified on 2002's performances.)
>
>Indoors
>SM 5000m 27:00 (24)
>SW 5000m 28:30 (27)
>U23/JM 3000m 17:00 (11)
>U23/JW 3000m 17:30 (9)
>U17M 3000m 17:30 (16)
>U17W 3000m 18:00 (12)
>U15B 3000m 18:00 (9)*
>U15G 3000m 18:30 (11)*
>
>* dependent on the institution of such championships.
>
>Outdoors
>SM 5000m 27:00 (24)
>SW 5000m 28:30 (27)
>U23/JM 10000m 55:00 (9)
>U23/JW 5000m 30:00 (13)
>U17M 5000m 30:00 (7)
>U17W 5000m 31:00 (7)
>U15B 3000m 19:00 (10)
>U15G 3000m 19:30 (18)
>
>Many thanks to all who responded to my enquiries and especially to Brian
>Adams, who produced  the statistics about the numbers of qualifiers.
>
>Peter Cassidy
>
>

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Bourne Sports seem to have frequent offers on their trainers so check them
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Ads periodically appear in Race Walking Record to this effect. I've found
them particularly useful as I've got smallish feet and they often seem to
have a good range of sizes and have been reliable insofar as delivery is
concerned too.

Niobe


>From: "joejoered2000" <joejoered2000@...>
>Reply-To: racewalk@yahoogroups.com
>To: racewalk@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [UK racewalk] shoes
>Date: Fri, 04 Jul 2003 17:20:34 -0000
>
>I have just started walking again after a very long break. Is there
>anyone who could tell me where I can buy race walking shoes from in
>England?
>Cheers Bob
>

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Hello folks

Niobe posted in reply to Bob

> Bourne Sports seem to have frequent offers on their trainers so
check them
> out:
>
> http://www.bournesports.com/

As a racewalk newbie, who until recently was racewalking in running
shoes, I must say that last time I was passing through Stoke I popped
into BS to get some more running shoes. I asked if they also had any
racewalk shoes and they had some in my size. Now I have got some
proper shoes I am walking a lot faster.

I got some adidas racewalk 2000 shoes as these were the only
specialist RW shoes that they had. Does anyone know if there are any
other specialist RW shoes available in the UK? Do adidas racewalk 2003
shoes exist?

BS appears to be one of the places to go to get specialist athletic
shoes. I have no financial interest in BS, just a satisfied customer.

>
> Ads periodically appear in Race Walking Record to this effect. I've
found
> them particularly useful as I've got smallish feet and they often
seem to
> have a good range of sizes and have been reliable insofar as
delivery is
> concerned too.
>
> Niobe

snip

> >
> >I have just started walking again after a very long break. Is there
> >anyone who could tell me where I can buy race walking shoes from in
> >England?
> >Cheers Bob

best wishes

tony....

No one seems to have raised it yet, but I feel it has to be
questioned - how shocking was yesterday's RWA 20km supposed national
championships?

The course was lovely, the setting charming if you'd got there but
Estlé was in tears after she heard the women's race went ahead after
she'd received a letter telling her it was cancelled. Jo Hesketh (who
walked brilliantly) didn't seem too pleased to have no one to race
against, and I understand Wendy Bennet wanted to race too.

I asked those involved for their understanding as to what happened,
but nothing persauded me other than this sucks, and  I didn't shirk
from saying so in my Athletics Weekly report (though judging by last
week, that'll be cut) - the Record report might have some more sober
analysis, so what does anyone else think?

Tim

I'd just like to reiterate that Tim. Full marks to Yorkshire R.W.C for their
efforts here. The course was a good one, relatively traffic free, the
facilities were good, and the organisation excellent.To all who made the
effort to get there, well done. To walkers who gave this one a miss for
whatever reason, you missed a good day. Well done to Jo in the ladies, her
walking was impeccable. I'm sorry to hear that Estle was so upset, it is
disheartening to train hard only to find it's been cancelled. From: "tim
watt" <tim.watt@...>
To: <racewalk@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 06, 2003 10:07 PM
Subject: [UK racewalk] Shocking


No one seems to have raised it yet, but I feel it has to be
questioned - how shocking was yesterday's RWA 20km supposed national
championships?

The course was lovely, the setting charming if you'd got there but
Estlé was in tears after she heard the women's race went ahead after
she'd received a letter telling her it was cancelled. Jo Hesketh (who
walked brilliantly) didn't seem too pleased to have no one to race
against, and I understand Wendy Bennet wanted to race too.

I asked those involved for their understanding as to what happened,
but nothing persauded me other than this sucks, and  I didn't shirk
from saying so in my Athletics Weekly report (though judging by last
week, that'll be cut) - the Record report might have some more sober
analysis, so what does anyone else think?

Tim




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I'm appalled.

I find it incredulous that the RWA did not stand by the championship's
secretary's decision "and 1 woman, (I will send the lone entry a medal thru
the post to save her the travelling time)", dated 27 June 03.

Even the most naďve person knows that trust is key to effective leadership.
Even in a fear driven organisation, folk still trust that their superiors
are acting for the greater good. Prompt action is required by the RWA if
they don't and UK Athletics do not intervene (hard call Martin B, but it
will be yours), the future of women's race walking in the UK will be short
and dire and the men may well go the same way as we are looking at a few
young men to take the events forward.

I wouldn't assume that race walking will remain an event in the UK athletics
calendar for the foreseeable future. I now live about 10 miles from central
Southampton and I do see people out power walking on a daily basis - usually
women. What chance has the RWA of attracting any of these women in to
competition if it can't organise its National Championship? An explanation
is required immediately and I hope that it will be published in Race Walking
Record and AW (last may be a vain hope, but at least this group is another
forum to keep folk informed).


Regards

Graham White


-----Original Message-----
From: tim watt [mailto:tim.watt@...]
Sent: 06 July 2003 10:08 PM
To: racewalk@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [UK racewalk] Shocking

No one seems to have raised it yet, but I feel it has to be
questioned - how shocking was yesterday's RWA 20km supposed national
championships?

The course was lovely, the setting charming if you'd got there but
Estlé was in tears after she heard the women's race went ahead after
she'd received a letter telling her it was cancelled. Jo Hesketh (who
walked brilliantly) didn't seem too pleased to have no one to race
against, and I understand Wendy Bennet wanted to race too.

I asked those involved for their understanding as to what happened,
but nothing persauded me other than this sucks, and  I didn't shirk
from saying so in my Athletics Weekly report (though judging by last
week, that'll be cut) - the Record report might have some more sober
analysis, so what does anyone else think?

Tim




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Tim
Ref yesterdays 20km and the supposed letter received by estle viljoen. Where
and who did it come from? Was it on RWA headed note paper? If Estle had
received such a letter why didn't she use the machine called the telephone
that was invented many years ago and now become so far advanced that you can
do everything bar cook the christmas turkey on it! If Wendy Bennett had any
intention of entering why didn't she send an entry before the closing date.
As to your enquiries ref what happened you asked me 1 question What happened
to the ladies race? I answered saying there were two entrie and only one
turned out. that was when you mentioned aletter that Estle had received. Ref
your article for AW if as you imply taht you are having a go at someone, why
didn't you do it yesterday face to face or don,t you have the ballls for
that.
Ps for everyone,information re Neale,s response the event WAS NOT organised
by Yorkshire RWC, but solely by Roy Thorpe who is a life member of City of
Sheffield AC and also sponsored the event.
pps. Have just seen Graham Whites contribution and the 1 line on an email
was meant tongue in cheek to try and drum up some additional entries. that
was not a decision to cancel the event and it only prompted two responses
from Rick Catermole and Mike Smith
ppps For the last couple of years I have been becoming disillusioned about
the job as Hon. Champs Sec for the RWA due to dwindling entries, difficulty
finding dates (when dates are set only to have people contact you
complaining that it interferes with some thing or other) and also the fact
that clubs aren't queuing up to stage events  and have been considering
wether to continue next year. Well my mind is now made up and I am walking
(excuse the pun) away.
For anyone interested the 50k and 5k is at Stockport on 9th August. the
course is being remeasured to take out the dogleg start time 11AM and 1PM
----- Original Message -----
From: "tim watt" <tim.watt@...>
To: <racewalk@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: 06 July 2003 22:07
Subject: [UK racewalk] Shocking


No one seems to have raised it yet, but I feel it has to be
questioned - how shocking was yesterday's RWA 20km supposed national
championships?

The course was lovely, the setting charming if you'd got there but
Estlé was in tears after she heard the women's race went ahead after
she'd received a letter telling her it was cancelled. Jo Hesketh (who
walked brilliantly) didn't seem too pleased to have no one to race
against, and I understand Wendy Bennet wanted to race too.

I asked those involved for their understanding as to what happened,
but nothing persauded me other than this sucks, and  I didn't shirk
from saying so in my Athletics Weekly report (though judging by last
week, that'll be cut) - the Record report might have some more sober
analysis, so what does anyone else think?

Tim




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Graham
If you think you can organise championships better please feel free to try.
Why don't more ex walkers get off their arses and put something back into
their sport
John

----- Original Message -----
From: "Graham White" <graham.white@...>
To: <racewalk@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: 06 July 2003 22:51
Subject: RE: [UK racewalk] Shocking


I'm appalled.

I find it incredulous that the RWA did not stand by the championship's
secretary's decision "and 1 woman, (I will send the lone entry a medal thru
the post to save her the travelling time)", dated 27 June 03.

Even the most naďve person knows that trust is key to effective leadership.
Even in a fear driven organisation, folk still trust that their superiors
are acting for the greater good. Prompt action is required by the RWA if
they don't and UK Athletics do not intervene (hard call Martin B, but it
will be yours), the future of women's race walking in the UK will be short
and dire and the men may well go the same way as we are looking at a few
young men to take the events forward.

I wouldn't assume that race walking will remain an event in the UK athletics
calendar for the foreseeable future. I now live about 10 miles from central
Southampton and I do see people out power walking on a daily basis - usually
women. What chance has the RWA of attracting any of these women in to
competition if it can't organise its National Championship? An explanation
is required immediately and I hope that it will be published in Race Walking
Record and AW (last may be a vain hope, but at least this group is another
forum to keep folk informed).


Regards

Graham White


-----Original Message-----
From: tim watt [mailto:tim.watt@...]
Sent: 06 July 2003 10:08 PM
To: racewalk@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [UK racewalk] Shocking

No one seems to have raised it yet, but I feel it has to be
questioned - how shocking was yesterday's RWA 20km supposed national
championships?

The course was lovely, the setting charming if you'd got there but
Estlé was in tears after she heard the women's race went ahead after
she'd received a letter telling her it was cancelled. Jo Hesketh (who
walked brilliantly) didn't seem too pleased to have no one to race
against, and I understand Wendy Bennet wanted to race too.

I asked those involved for their understanding as to what happened,
but nothing persauded me other than this sucks, and  I didn't shirk
from saying so in my Athletics Weekly report (though judging by last
week, that'll be cut) - the Record report might have some more sober
analysis, so what does anyone else think?

Tim




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Dear John,

I certainly don't claim I, or know of anyone else, who could do a
better job than you in getting the RWA championships up and running -
but something went seriously awry here.

Estlé had a letter in her hand as she described how heartbroken she
felt - and said she'd show it to me - and I did ask you yesterday
about it and it seems it came from someone else, but your e-mail,
maybe tounge-in-cheek, didn't seem to me to pass a message of trying
to encourage entries - rather just express  understandable, but
unhelpful, frustration.

No one blames you for the lack of entries on time - and I did ask you
about it to check what happened. I'm just the messenger reporting the
facts that mixed messages were passed to the limited number of
competitors who did enter.

Tim




>Tim
>Ref yesterdays 20km and the supposed letter received by estle viljoen. Where
>and who did it come from? Was it on RWA headed note paper? If Estle had
>received such a letter why didn't she use the machine called the telephone
>that was invented many years ago and now become so far advanced that you can
>do everything bar cook the christmas turkey on it! If Wendy Bennett had any
>intention of entering why didn't she send an entry before the closing date.
>As to your enquiries ref what happened you asked me 1 question What happened
>to the ladies race? I answered saying there were two entrie and only one
>turned out. that was when you mentioned aletter that Estle had received. Ref
>your article for AW if as you imply taht you are having a go at someone, why
>didn't you do it yesterday face to face or don,t you have the ballls for
>that.
>Ps for everyone,information re Neale,s response the event WAS NOT organised
>by Yorkshire RWC, but solely by Roy Thorpe who is a life member of City of
>Sheffield AC and also sponsored the event.
>pps. Have just seen Graham Whites contribution and the 1 line on an email
>was meant tongue in cheek to try and drum up some additional entries. that
>was not a decision to cancel the event and it only prompted two responses
>from Rick Catermole and Mike Smith
>ppps For the last couple of years I have been becoming disillusioned about
>the job as Hon. Champs Sec for the RWA due to dwindling entries, difficulty
>finding dates (when dates are set only to have people contact you
>complaining that it interferes with some thing or other) and also the fact
>that clubs aren't queuing up to stage events  and have been considering
>wether to continue next year. Well my mind is now made up and I am walking
>(excuse the pun) away.
>For anyone interested the 50k and 5k is at Stockport on 9th August. the
>course is being remeasured to take out the dogleg start time 11AM and 1PM
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "tim watt" <tim.watt@...>
>To: <racewalk@yahoogroups.com>
>Sent: 06 July 2003 22:07
>Subject: [UK racewalk] Shocking
>
>
>No one seems to have raised it yet, but I feel it has to be
>questioned - how shocking was yesterday's RWA 20km supposed national
>championships?
>
>The course was lovely, the setting charming if you'd got there but
>Estlé was in tears after she heard the women's race went ahead after
>she'd received a letter telling her it was cancelled. Jo Hesketh (who
>walked brilliantly) didn't seem too pleased to have no one to race
>against, and I understand Wendy Bennet wanted to race too.
>
>I asked those involved for their understanding as to what happened,
>but nothing persauded me other than this sucks, and  I didn't shirk
>from saying so in my Athletics Weekly report (though judging by last
>week, that'll be cut) - the Record report might have some more sober
>analysis, so what does anyone else think?
>
>Tim
>
>
>
>
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Hi Sherry

I am attaching a flyer put out by the local organising committee that
provides some details. If you need any further info, just let me know.

Cheers
Gary

Gary Little & Asta Wistrand

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Sherry Brosnahan" <sherry@...>
To: "Gary Little & Asta Wistrand" <garyasta@...>
Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2003 4:43 AM
Subject: Re: [racewalking] RE: Puerto Rico


> Gary:
> Do you happen to know when and where the Non-Stadia walks will be? And for
> women, how long?
> Sherry
>

John

Point I was trying to make is that the championship appeared to end up as a
shambles, which is damaging. To limit the damage someone needs to be seen to
find out what went wrong and offer up a solution, which is credible. In this
case, it would appear that the problem is not the small field but the
alleged letter.

On your other point, whilst I was an undergraduate I did a turn as the
treasurer of the University cross-country running club. We organised a
couple of events and that taught me that organising and running a race
programme makes huge demands on time, probably more time than the average
working athlete spends on training. But, the athlete has the advantage of
being able to choose when he or she does most of their work. The race
organiser has to work around the other commitments of his support team and
the others who are essential to making a success of the event.

I know that race organiser is a tough job and with three kids under 9 and no
local family to lighten the load, I couldn't hope to succeed.

It is also a thankless task, even more so when the fields are declining
rapidly.

Only the clubs can reverse the falling fields but they can only do this
through dedicated individuals or a robust management team. Look at the teams
Brighton used to turn out. But, once Alan Buchanan turned his attention to
other things, the walking section died a slow death.

I know that it is easy to be critical and I wish I could pull out of the hat
half a dozen folk who would do the kind of work Alan Buchanan did for
Brighton and scatter then around the country, but if I were that good a
magician, I'd be making a much better living!


Regards

Graham White


-----Original Message-----
From: John Howley [mailto:john@...]
Sent: 06 July 2003 11:52 PM
To: racewalk@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [UK racewalk] Shocking

Graham
If you think you can organise championships better please feel free to try.
Why don't more ex walkers get off their arses and put something back into
their sport
John

----- Original Message -----
From: "Graham White" <graham.white@...>
To: <racewalk@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: 06 July 2003 22:51
Subject: RE: [UK racewalk] Shocking


I'm appalled.

I find it incredulous that the RWA did not stand by the championship's
secretary's decision "and 1 woman, (I will send the lone entry a medal thru
the post to save her the travelling time)", dated 27 June 03.

Even the most naďve person knows that trust is key to effective leadership.
Even in a fear driven organisation, folk still trust that their superiors
are acting for the greater good. Prompt action is required by the RWA if
they don't and UK Athletics do not intervene (hard call Martin B, but it
will be yours), the future of women's race walking in the UK will be short
and dire and the men may well go the same way as we are looking at a few
young men to take the events forward.

I wouldn't assume that race walking will remain an event in the UK athletics
calendar for the foreseeable future. I now live about 10 miles from central
Southampton and I do see people out power walking on a daily basis - usually
women. What chance has the RWA of attracting any of these women in to
competition if it can't organise its National Championship? An explanation
is required immediately and I hope that it will be published in Race Walking
Record and AW (last may be a vain hope, but at least this group is another
forum to keep folk informed).


Regards

Graham White


-----Original Message-----
From: tim watt [mailto:tim.watt@...]
Sent: 06 July 2003 10:08 PM
To: racewalk@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [UK racewalk] Shocking

No one seems to have raised it yet, but I feel it has to be
questioned - how shocking was yesterday's RWA 20km supposed national
championships?

The course was lovely, the setting charming if you'd got there but
Estlé was in tears after she heard the women's race went ahead after
she'd received a letter telling her it was cancelled. Jo Hesketh (who
walked brilliantly) didn't seem too pleased to have no one to race
against, and I understand Wendy Bennet wanted to race too.

I asked those involved for their understanding as to what happened,
but nothing persauded me other than this sucks, and  I didn't shirk
from saying so in my Athletics Weekly report (though judging by last
week, that'll be cut) - the Record report might have some more sober
analysis, so what does anyone else think?

Tim




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Good luck to all participants.

Peter Cassidy

Its not often I put pen to paper - or in this case type a response to the
messages I have been reading.
I support John Howley - who has done an excellent job since taking over the
position - voluntarily I might add - since Ken gave it up some years ago.
I know from when Ken held the position that there is a great deal of work
and frustration involved - in getting courses, checking them to see that
they are suitable - in conjunction with the Club and people staging the
event - writing to Clubs with details of where and when and then accepting
late entries and getting out the programme, etc etc.
Saturday was an enjoyable day - Roy Thorpe did an excellent job with the
course and everything involved in the event - the signs on the roads way out
from the venue - the Police were in attendance as was the first aid.  As
John said Roy also sponsored the event himself!  I admit the numbers on the
road were appalling - but the racing was good - Andy Penn won the Mens event
and Jo Hesketh the womens race.  Both performed extremely well and nothing
should be taken away from their efforts - nor from the efforts of the
remaining competitors.
I don't blame John walking away from the job as Championship Secretary - he
has done sterling work whilst in the position and I for one will be
extremely sorry to see him go, and hope he doesn't.
Having been an athlete and an official - its a blinkin sight easier to be an
athlete!!
Please lets stop this bickering now - else race walking will not survive -
both athletes and officials need each other
Ann Smith


----- Original Message -----
From: "John Howley" <john@...>
To: <racewalk@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 06, 2003 11:17 PM
Subject: Re: [UK racewalk] Shocking


> Tim
> Ref yesterdays 20km and the supposed letter received by estle viljoen.
Where
> and who did it come from? Was it on RWA headed note paper? If Estle had
> received such a letter why didn't she use the machine called the telephone
> that was invented many years ago and now become so far advanced that you
can
> do everything bar cook the christmas turkey on it! If Wendy Bennett had
any
> intention of entering why didn't she send an entry before the closing
date.
> As to your enquiries ref what happened you asked me 1 question What
happened
> to the ladies race? I answered saying there were two entrie and only one
> turned out. that was when you mentioned aletter that Estle had received.
Ref
> your article for AW if as you imply taht you are having a go at someone,
why
> didn't you do it yesterday face to face or don,t you have the ballls for
> that.
> Ps for everyone,information re Neale,s response the event WAS NOT
organised
> by Yorkshire RWC, but solely by Roy Thorpe who is a life member of City of
> Sheffield AC and also sponsored the event.
> pps. Have just seen Graham Whites contribution and the 1 line on an email
> was meant tongue in cheek to try and drum up some additional entries. that
> was not a decision to cancel the event and it only prompted two responses
> from Rick Catermole and Mike Smith
> ppps For the last couple of years I have been becoming disillusioned about
> the job as Hon. Champs Sec for the RWA due to dwindling entries,
difficulty
> finding dates (when dates are set only to have people contact you
> complaining that it interferes with some thing or other) and also the fact
> that clubs aren't queuing up to stage events  and have been considering
> wether to continue next year. Well my mind is now made up and I am walking
> (excuse the pun) away.
> For anyone interested the 50k and 5k is at Stockport on 9th August. the
> course is being remeasured to take out the dogleg start time 11AM and 1PM
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "tim watt" <tim.watt@...>
> To: <racewalk@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: 06 July 2003 22:07
> Subject: [UK racewalk] Shocking
>
>
> No one seems to have raised it yet, but I feel it has to be
> questioned - how shocking was yesterday's RWA 20km supposed national
> championships?
>
> The course was lovely, the setting charming if you'd got there but
> Estlé was in tears after she heard the women's race went ahead after
> she'd received a letter telling her it was cancelled. Jo Hesketh (who
> walked brilliantly) didn't seem too pleased to have no one to race
> against, and I understand Wendy Bennet wanted to race too.
>
> I asked those involved for their understanding as to what happened,
> but nothing persauded me other than this sucks, and  I didn't shirk
> from saying so in my Athletics Weekly report (though judging by last
> week, that'll be cut) - the Record report might have some more sober
> analysis, so what does anyone else think?
>
> Tim
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The information at present to hand points to the fact that "the
letter" was sent by someone having no position in the R.W.A., no
authority to cancel anything and - obviously -  no knowledge of
any cancellation since there was none. Denunciations of those
involved in the organisation of the event would perhaps better be
avoided at present, so that the Group does not subsequently
have to be cluttered with apologies.

Peter Cassidy

--- In racewalk@yahoogroups.com, "Graham White"
<graham.white@d...> wrote:
> John
>
> Point I was trying to make is that the championship appeared
to end up as a
> shambles, which is damaging. To limit the damage someone
needs to be seen to
> find out what went wrong and offer up a solution, which is
credible. In this
> case, it would appear that the problem is not the small field but
the
> alleged letter.
>
> On your other point, whilst I was an undergraduate I did a turn
as the
> treasurer of the University cross-country running club. We
organised a
> couple of events and that taught me that organising and
running a race
> programme makes huge demands on time, probably more
time than the average
> working athlete spends on training. But, the athlete has the
advantage of
> being able to choose when he or she does most of their work.
The race
> organiser has to work around the other commitments of his
support team and
> the others who are essential to making a success of the event.
>
> I know that race organiser is a tough job and with three kids
under 9 and no
> local family to lighten the load, I couldn't hope to succeed.
>
> It is also a thankless task, even more so when the fields are
declining
> rapidly.
>
> Only the clubs can reverse the falling fields but they can only do
this
> through dedicated individuals or a robust management team.
Look at the teams
> Brighton used to turn out. But, once Alan Buchanan turned his
attention to
> other things, the walking section died a slow death.
>
> I know that it is easy to be critical and I wish I could pull out of
the hat
> half a dozen folk who would do the kind of work Alan Buchanan
did for
> Brighton and scatter then around the country, but if I were that
good a
> magician, I'd be making a much better living!
>
>
> Regards
>
> Graham White
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Howley [mailto:john@r...]
> Sent: 06 July 2003 11:52 PM
> To: racewalk@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [UK racewalk] Shocking
>
> Graham
> If you think you can organise championships better please feel
free to try.
> Why don't more ex walkers get off their arses and put
something back into
> their sport
> John
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Graham White" <graham.white@d...>
> To: <racewalk@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: 06 July 2003 22:51
> Subject: RE: [UK racewalk] Shocking
>
>
> I'm appalled.
>
> I find it incredulous that the RWA did not stand by the
championship's
> secretary's decision "and 1 woman, (I will send the lone entry a
medal thru
> the post to save her the travelling time)", dated 27 June 03.
>
> Even the most naďve person knows that trust is key to effective
leadership.
> Even in a fear driven organisation, folk still trust that their
superiors
> are acting for the greater good. Prompt action is required by the
RWA if
> they don't and UK Athletics do not intervene (hard call Martin B,
but it
> will be yours), the future of women's race walking in the UK will
be short
> and dire and the men may well go the same way as we are
looking at a few
> young men to take the events forward.
>
> I wouldn't assume that race walking will remain an event in the
UK athletics
> calendar for the foreseeable future. I now live about 10 miles
from central
> Southampton and I do see people out power walking on a
daily basis - usually
> women. What chance has the RWA of attracting any of these
women in to
> competition if it can't organise its National Championship? An
explanation
> is required immediately and I hope that it will be published in
Race Walking
> Record and AW (last may be a vain hope, but at least this
group is another
> forum to keep folk informed).
>
>
> Regards
>
> Graham White
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tim watt [mailto:tim.watt@n...]
> Sent: 06 July 2003 10:08 PM
> To: racewalk@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [UK racewalk] Shocking
>
> No one seems to have raised it yet, but I feel it has to be
> questioned - how shocking was yesterday's RWA 20km
supposed national
> championships?
>
> The course was lovely, the setting charming if you'd got there
but
> Estlé was in tears after she heard the women's race went
ahead after
> she'd received a letter telling her it was cancelled. Jo Hesketh
(who
> walked brilliantly) didn't seem too pleased to have no one to
race
> against, and I understand Wendy Bennet wanted to race too.
>
> I asked those involved for their understanding as to what
happened,
> but nothing persauded me other than this sucks, and  I didn't
shirk
> from saying so in my Athletics Weekly report (though judging by
last
> week, that'll be cut) - the Record report might have some more
sober
> analysis, so what does anyone else think?
>
> Tim
>
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I don't agree with Graham - the truth is the problem was the small
field; f$#@ ups occur every now and then - this one meant the women's
field was cut in half because there were just two entries.

Estlé dropped a copy of the letter in my mailbox before I was awake
this morning - I better not say who it was from as I haven't been
able to speak to the person, but it seems the stupidity was widely
spread.

John's right, Estlé should have called but then she is a trusting
sort and she may have done so had the earlier e-mail not caused so
much confusion with others.

I know what to write and the copy for AW doesn't have a go at anyone
just reported the fact that there was a 'communication blunder'.

As Carl Lawton said this was just one of those things, so long as we
learn from it.

Tim




-- In racewalk@yahoogroups.com, "Graham White" <graham.white@d...>
wrote:
> John
>
> Point I was trying to make is that the championship appeared to end
up as a
> shambles, which is damaging. To limit the damage someone needs to
be seen to
> find out what went wrong and offer up a solution, which is
credible. In this
> case, it would appear that the problem is not the small field but
the
> alleged letter.
>
> On your other point, whilst I was an undergraduate I did a turn as
the
> treasurer of the University cross-country running club. We
organised a
> couple of events and that taught me that organising and running a
race
> programme makes huge demands on time, probably more time than the
average
> working athlete spends on training. But, the athlete has the
advantage of
> being able to choose when he or she does most of their work. The
race
> organiser has to work around the other commitments of his support
team and
> the others who are essential to making a success of the event.
>
> I know that race organiser is a tough job and with three kids under
9 and no
> local family to lighten the load, I couldn't hope to succeed.
>
> It is also a thankless task, even more so when the fields are
declining
> rapidly.
>
> Only the clubs can reverse the falling fields but they can only do
this
> through dedicated individuals or a robust management team. Look at
the teams
> Brighton used to turn out. But, once Alan Buchanan turned his
attention to
> other things, the walking section died a slow death.
>
> I know that it is easy to be critical and I wish I could pull out
of the hat
> half a dozen folk who would do the kind of work Alan Buchanan did
for
> Brighton and scatter then around the country, but if I were that
good a
> magician, I'd be making a much better living!
>
>
> Regards
>
> Graham White
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Howley [mailto:john@r...]
> Sent: 06 July 2003 11:52 PM
> To: racewalk@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [UK racewalk] Shocking
>
> Graham
> If you think you can organise championships better please feel free
to try.
> Why don't more ex walkers get off their arses and put something
back into
> their sport
> John
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Graham White" <graham.white@d...>
> To: <racewalk@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: 06 July 2003 22:51
> Subject: RE: [UK racewalk] Shocking
>
>
> I'm appalled.
>
> I find it incredulous that the RWA did not stand by the
championship's
> secretary's decision "and 1 woman, (I will send the lone entry a
medal thru
> the post to save her the travelling time)", dated 27 June 03.
>
> Even the most naďve person knows that trust is key to effective
leadership.
> Even in a fear driven organisation, folk still trust that their
superiors
> are acting for the greater good. Prompt action is required by the
RWA if
> they don't and UK Athletics do not intervene (hard call Martin B,
but it
> will be yours), the future of women's race walking in the UK will
be short
> and dire and the men may well go the same way as we are looking at
a few
> young men to take the events forward.
>
> I wouldn't assume that race walking will remain an event in the UK
athletics
> calendar for the foreseeable future. I now live about 10 miles from
central
> Southampton and I do see people out power walking on a daily basis -
  usually
> women. What chance has the RWA of attracting any of these women in
to
> competition if it can't organise its National Championship? An
explanation
> is required immediately and I hope that it will be published in
Race Walking
> Record and AW (last may be a vain hope, but at least this group is
another
> forum to keep folk informed).
>
>
> Regards
>
> Graham White
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tim watt [mailto:tim.watt@n...]
> Sent: 06 July 2003 10:08 PM
> To: racewalk@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [UK racewalk] Shocking
>
> No one seems to have raised it yet, but I feel it has to be
> questioned - how shocking was yesterday's RWA 20km supposed national
> championships?
>
> The course was lovely, the setting charming if you'd got there but
> Estlé was in tears after she heard the women's race went ahead after
> she'd received a letter telling her it was cancelled. Jo Hesketh
(who
> walked brilliantly) didn't seem too pleased to have no one to race
> against, and I understand Wendy Bennet wanted to race too.
>
> I asked those involved for their understanding as to what happened,
> but nothing persauded me other than this sucks, and  I didn't shirk
> from saying so in my Athletics Weekly report (though judging by last
> week, that'll be cut) - the Record report might have some more sober
> analysis, so what does anyone else think?
>
> Tim
>
>
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We hear alot about not getting enough competitors in races these
days, so could somebody explain to me why the AAA Championships @
Birmingham, 100 mile walk @ Newmarket, SEAA 10k Chanmpionships @
Watford and the BMAF 10k Championships are all on the same weekend
(26th & 27th July)?

A fair question!
The 100 miles needs a lot of organising and has to be started
on well in advance, so that whatever happens it is difficult to
change if a clash occurs. (In fact, it did have to be changed
because of the requirements of the horse-racing calendar, but
that's outside walking's power.) How the S.E.A.A. and A.A.A. of E.
championships came to be on the same day is beyond me;
presumably, it was a case of "free" dates; the S.E.A.A. 10k
champs cannot be accommodated anywhere except in the
Watford meeting; if they were not there they would be nowhere.
The B.M.A.F. champs are, of course, their business and I
imagine that the 10k walk is in conjunction with other of their
events. One difficulty is that some of the major Champs - like the
A.A.A. of E. - have their dates fixed by their use for selection for
World Championships, etc.; as the walkers are not involved in
those particular selections, it is tough on us.

Use of the expressions "presumably" and "I imagine" may lead
you to believe that this is conjecture; you may not think that I have
actually answered your question but at least you may now see
the difficulties involved. Pauine WIlson is already to advise on
date selection but, of course, can do nothing about "outside"
bodies, who have their own worries.

Peter Cassidy

  --- In racewalk@yahoogroups.com, "Richard Emsley"
<richard_a_emsley@y...> wrote:
> We hear alot about not getting enough competitors in races
these
> days, so could somebody explain to me why the AAA
Championships @
> Birmingham, 100 mile walk @ Newmarket, SEAA 10k
Chanmpionships @
> Watford and the BMAF 10k Championships are all on the
same weekend
> (26th & 27th July)?

Peter,
Thanks for your reply. As you are probably aware, I could qualify to
compete in all the 4 events. I have however just entered the SEAA 10k
championships being the current title holder (no young walkers turned
up last year!).
It seems looking back at last year that the AAA champs has moved back
two weeks and the SEAA champs have moved forward two weeks, hence the
clash.

Oh well, let's hope we don't get such congested weekends in the
future.

Richard.

--- In racewalk@yahoogroups.com, "Peter Cassidy" <peter.cassidy@b...>
wrote:
> A fair question!
> The 100 miles needs a lot of organising and has to be started
> on well in advance, so that whatever happens it is difficult to
> change if a clash occurs. (In fact, it did have to be changed
> because of the requirements of the horse-racing calendar, but
> that's outside walking's power.) How the S.E.A.A. and A.A.A. of E.
> championships came to be on the same day is beyond me;
> presumably, it was a case of "free" dates; the S.E.A.A. 10k
> champs cannot be accommodated anywhere except in the
> Watford meeting; if they were not there they would be nowhere.
> The B.M.A.F. champs are, of course, their business and I
> imagine that the 10k walk is in conjunction with other of their
> events. One difficulty is that some of the major Champs - like the
> A.A.A. of E. - have their dates fixed by their use for selection
for
> World Championships, etc.; as the walkers are not involved in
> those particular selections, it is tough on us.
>
> Use of the expressions "presumably" and "I imagine" may lead
> you to believe that this is conjecture; you may not think that I
have
> actually answered your question but at least you may now see
> the difficulties involved. Pauine WIlson is already to advise on
> date selection but, of course, can do nothing about "outside"
> bodies, who have their own worries.
>
> Peter Cassidy
>
>  --- In racewalk@yahoogroups.com, "Richard Emsley"
> <richard_a_emsley@y...> wrote:
> > We hear alot about not getting enough competitors in races
> these
> > days, so could somebody explain to me why the AAA
> Championships @
> > Birmingham, 100 mile walk @ Newmarket, SEAA 10k
> Chanmpionships @
> > Watford and the BMAF 10k Championships are all on the
> same weekend
> > (26th & 27th July)?

From UK Athletics:

A Norwich Union Great Britain and Northern Ireland
Select Team travel out to Barcelona on Thursday for an
International match against teams from Italy and
Catalunya on Friday 11 July.

Team list attached.
Norwich Union Great Britain & Northern Ireland Team

5000m Walk Women MEN
Daniel KING (Colchester Harriers AC)
Dominic KING (Colchester Harriers AC)

5000m Walk Women
Wendy BENNETT (Worcester AC)
Sharon TONKS (Bromsgrove & Redditch)

The current lack of numbers entering races is down to a number of factors,
some of which are the result of decisions made by previous gaurdians of our
event. But rather than try to apportion blame, we should use this forum to
put propose ideas and suggestions as to how we can move forward.

Before going any further I would like to say that I don't think we'll ever
return to the "glory days" of fields of 200+ for Nationals (though it would
be nice). We also need to get away from the idea that we need a large number
of race walkers so that the best will rise to world class just because they
are the best in the UK. If we take a sidwards look to our neighbours across
the Irish Sea, they don't have big numbers of race walkers, but they have
nurtured those with talent. As a result they have 4 going to Paris (and
Athens?), at least one of whom has a very realistic chance of medaling in
both championships.

Perhaps the time is right for the RWA and/or individuals from within the
event to take radical and innovative action to reverse the events decline in
fortunes.

Lets start by having a complete overhaul of the way fixtures are managed.
The major championship dates for 2004 (and 2005) are already known. We also
know (fairly) acurately when the major domestic track championships are next
year, we also know when most youngsters are sitting exams. So why can't the
RWA give the Fixtures co-ordinator the power to co-ordinate fixtures,
avoiding clashes and also setting out a sensible structure to the seasons
racing program. Perhaps we need a fixtures congress, with all interested
parties in attendance. Perhaps we should restrict competitions to one meet
per fortnight (with exception of things like county/regional champs)

OK so some people may have to give up traditional dates, but tradition can
impede development. Who knows maybe a better structured season would see an
increase in numbers racing. And surely thats more preperential than keeping
the same date because we always have.

Perhaps we should look at following the lead of the AAA and invite leading
the athletes to the RWA championships.  -  yes I know that the Championship
Sec already has a full enough workload, but maybe someone else could take on
that role.

Shoot me down in flames if you want, but they're ideas, something to
discuss, to chew over, Lets talk positively, not about what we used to do,
or what we can't do - how do we know until we try.

Martin Bell

PS: If anyone wants to know why I was not at the RWA 20km. There was 2
reasons 1. I couldn't get there until sometime after 3 in the afternoon - I
don't own a car and have to rely on lifts (thanks Bob and Olive) or British
Rail - It would have been the later on Saturday. 2. I was already booked to
attend the Welsh Schools Championships - trying to develop new race walkers
in Wales

PPS Tim this can go into the record as a letter as well if you wish

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Startlist - 5000 METRES WALK Women - Final

Thursday, July 10, 2003 - 19:50

Order  Bib   Athlete Country 2003 Personal
1  925   Varró Katalin HUN
2  1086   Sokolova Vera RUS 22:19.00 22:19.00
3  719   Lee Beki AUS 25:10.20 25:10.20
4  781   Rodriguez Chelsea CAN 25:19.00 25:19.00
5  744   Makatrova Nastassia BLR 23:43.10 23:43.10
6  918   Kernács Krisztina HUN
7  1176   Michta Maria USA   24:36.80
8  1014   Myo Tun Kay Khing MYA   25:18.00
9  930   Loughnane Ann IRL 24:05.00 24:05.00
10  1025   Gorst Amanda NZL 24:43.76 24:43.76
11  1040   Buziak Paulina POL 23:33.21 23:33.21
12  1008   Orozco Rosa MEX 25:08.65 25:08.65
13  858   Hovi Mia FIN 24:36.10 24:36.10
14  964   Nishide Noriko JPN 23:38.80 23:38.80
15  718   Knapton Susan AUS 24:11.88 24:11.88