I was thinking Saturday. But either day woud work.

	 -----Original Message-----
	 From: Eric [mailto:ewascent1@...]
	 Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2004 12:34 PM
	 To: pumpclub@yahoogroups.com
	 Cc: pumpclub@yahoogroups.com
	 Subject: Re: [pumpclub] Re: FW: Three Corner Rock



	 Aaron -

	 What day are you heading out there?


	 - eric

	 -- "Sheldon Zakreski" <szakreski@...> wrote:



	 Aaron,

	 I can't make out for a couple of weeks, but would like to check
it out
	 before turkey day. Could you post a trip report, including
driving
	 directions?

	 Sheldon



	 --- In pumpclub@yahoogroups.com, "Aaron Althauser"
<aalthauser@s...>
	 wrote:
	 > Oh ya, It will probably be a moderate to fast pace ride.
	 >
	 > -----Original Message-----
	 > From: Aaron Althauser
	 > Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2004 4:33 PM
	 > To: PUMP (pumpclub@yahoogroups.com)
	 > Subject: Three Corner Rock
	 >
	 >
	 > With all the talk of this trail last week, I think I am going
to try and
	 > get out there this weekend. Anyone interested?
	 >
	 > Aaron






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Aaron -

What day are you heading out there?


- eric

-- "Sheldon Zakreski" <szakreski@...> wrote:



Aaron,

I can't make out for a couple of weeks, but would like to check it out
before turkey day. Could you post a trip report, including driving
directions?

Sheldon



--- In pumpclub@yahoogroups.com, "Aaron Althauser" <aalthauser@s...>
wrote:
> Oh ya, It will probably be a moderate to fast pace ride.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Aaron Althauser
> Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2004 4:33 PM
> To: PUMP (pumpclub@yahoogroups.com)
> Subject: Three Corner Rock
>
>
> With all the talk of this trail last week, I think I am going to try and
> get out there this weekend. Anyone interested?
>
> Aaron






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Aaron,

I can't make out for a couple of weeks, but would like to check it out
before turkey day. Could you post a trip report, including driving
directions?

Sheldon



--- In pumpclub@yahoogroups.com, "Aaron Althauser" <aalthauser@s...>
wrote:
> Oh ya, It will probably be a moderate to fast pace ride.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Aaron Althauser
> Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2004 4:33 PM
> To: PUMP (pumpclub@yahoogroups.com)
> Subject: Three Corner Rock
>
>
> With all the talk of this trail last week, I think I am going to try and
> get out there this weekend. Anyone interested?
>
> Aaron

Anyone know him, in contact him?  He's not answering my Emails and I
still have his BBq from Falls Creek. Someone please tell him, it's
hard for me to make monthly meeting.

John

fyi........


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*Please pass along this information to members of your club!*

On Friday, Saturday and Sunday, Nov. 5-7, the Tualatin Performance
Bicycle will be holding a special Club Weekend. You and members of your
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Oh ya, It will probably be a moderate to fast pace ride.

-----Original Message-----
From: Aaron Althauser
Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2004 4:33 PM
To: PUMP (pumpclub@yahoogroups.com)
Subject: Three Corner Rock


With all the talk of this trail last week, I think I am going to try and
get out there this weekend. Anyone interested?

Aaron

With all the talk of this trail last week, I think I am going to try and
get out there this weekend. Anyone interested?

Aaron

OK I really screwed up, but I gave you all the wrong info about the author
for the slideshow event........I'm a dork! I apologize!

If you really are interested, his website is    www.crossingzion.com


Kellie



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Thank you Brandon
   -----Original Message-----
   From: bcr123@... [mailto:bcr123@...]
   Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2004 10:42 AM
   To: pumpclub@yahoogroups.com
   Subject: RE: [pumpclub] CRT


   Best plan is to call the Clackamas Ranger district:
   (503) 630-6861


   --
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Best plan is to call the Clackamas Ranger district:
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Thank You!! It sounds fun.  Sunday will be good weather so it should make
for a terrific riding day.
Susan

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Guy T.Johnson [mailto:guyplaysbass@...]
> Sent: Monday, November 01, 2004 10:05 PM
> To: pumpclub@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [pumpclub]
>
>
>
> We rode the CRT a few weeks ago and it's only about 8mi. There are some
> other trails in the area but I'm not that familiar with them. We rode
> from the trail head, down to Fish Camp, and back up the road (15mi
> loop). The conditions were almost dangerous in spots (soft shoulders,
> loose rocks covered in fallen wet leaves, spots of wash out, etc...) and
> there were a few downed trees (at least two I couldn't ride over). Some
> sections were pretty over-grown as well. It definitely put my skills to
> test in more then one spot but we both had a great time. Be prepared for
> some "less then stellar" trail conditions due to rain and lack of
> maintenance. We saw no recent evidence of bikes but ran across a few
> hikers. We were doing a "moderate" pace and it still took 3 hours, YMMV.
>
> To get there:
>
> Go through Estacada and continue out HWY 224 (approx 15 miles). You'll
> pass Fish Camp (the end of the CRT) and about 7mi later you'll see a
> sign for Indian Henry campground, turn right (Forest Service Road 4620).
> The parking lot for trail head is up just a short distance on the right.
> Make sure you take the trail to the right, this is the CRT. All in all
> it's about a 60mi drive from Portland.
>
> Hope this helps!
>
> Guy
> On Monday, November 1, 2004, at 04:50 PM, Susan Martin wrote:
>
> > I am thinking about doing the Clackamas River Trail this Sunday.  I
> > would
> > like to ride at least 30 miles, preferably 50.  Is the CRT that long
> > and if
> > not are there other trails to incorporate with the Clackamas.
> >
> > Let me know if there are any suggestions and recommendations regarding
> > this
> > trail system.  This is an area and trail system that I have not yet
> > explored.
> >
> > I am also not familiar with where this trail is located.  What is the
> > best
> > way to reach the trail system.  Thanks for any information you may have.
> >
> > Thanks
> > Susan
> >
> >
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Thank you Jason- I will research other options and hopefully find a new and
interesting biking challenge
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   Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2004 7:38 AM
   To: pumpclub@yahoogroups.com
   Subject: RE: [pumpclub]


   Sorry to be the bearer of bad news but the CRT is currently closed the
   Mt. Bikes. Check out the attached link for more trail info in the
   Clackamas Ranger District.

   http://www.fs.fed.us/r6/mthood/recreation/trails/clackamas-river-conditi
   ons.shtml


   The Rho(Rhodedendren)Ridge trail might be a viable alternative but it
   around 4000'and could be under snow. It's 10 miles long along a ridge
   with a spectacular view of Mt Jefferson. I haven't ridden it yet but it
   looks like it could be choice. It's about 20 miles past the Indian Henry
   CRT trailhead, almost to Bagby Hot Springs.

   Jason


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I have hiked Hamilton Mtn, the place you are referring to just north of
Beacon Rock many times. There is a designated hiking trail that follows up
the the south side with great gorge views, but other double track type
horse trails are there as well. There is some riding at the upper portions
of Hamilton  Mtn just to it's north. When riding the 3 Corner Rock Loop, I
believe you can actually get to Hamilton Mtn  from there at the  upper
portions of 3 Corner Rock (you'll see signs for other trails as well as
the PCT), just below the craggy summit. The gate to Hamilton Mtn trailhead
might be closed now, but I think you can park at Beacon Rock and ride up
the road.

I hope I am not abusing this list, but........
On a side note for anyone who likes rock climbing/mountaineering, read on.
If you don't care, you can stop right here.

There is a slideshow, fundraiser and sale at Climb Max on SE Division and
21st on November 12 at 7:30. Local reps from such non-profits as the
American Alpine Club, Access Fund and Madrone Wall Preservation Committee
will be there.
A climber/author acquaintance from Washington Keith Mark Johsnon is doing
a slideshow for us.  Go to www.crossingzion@... for more info
about him. The fundraiser is for the Madrone Wall in Clackamas Co. Go to
  www.savemadrone.org

Thanks
Kellie Rice




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I was under the impression this trail was repaired and open to mountain
bikers?
Is this inaccurate?
Thanks
Susan


   -----Original Message-----
   From: bcr123@... [mailto:bcr123@...]
   Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2004 8:27 AM
   To: pumpclub@yahoogroups.com
   Subject: RE: [pumpclub] CRT


   The CRT is one trail I don't miss being off limits to bikes.  It's
downright dangerous.  There are sections where you cannot pass another trail
user without either scaling a cliff or jumping off one into the river.

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When I live in Camas I hiked on the Hamilton Mt. trail quite a bit. I
saw a few mt. bike tracks but never any bikes. Some of the trails may be
double track. Most of the trails I've seen up there were signed for
hiking only.

Aaron

	 -----Original Message-----
	 From: rogerlouton@...
[mailto:rogerlouton@...]
	 Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2004 9:02 AM
	 To: pumpclub@yahoogroups.com
	 Subject: [pumpclub] Beacon Rock State Park, WA


	 We've all seen the Beacon Rock while driving thru the Gorge, but
did you
	 know there are 13 miles of
	 bike trails there? Has anyone ever checked it out? A gentleman
from Mazamas,
	 Richard Thomas, called
	 me back in early summer and said he has been hiking there for
decades. One
	 thing he never sees are other
	 people! He asked me why don't we check the area out as a
possible riding
	 spot?  Well, if you check out
	 this site,
http://www.parks.wa.gov/parkpage.asp?selectedpark=Beacon%20Rock

<http://www.parks.wa.gov/parkpage.asp?selectedpark=Beacon%20Rock&pageno=
1>
	 &pageno=1
	 it says there are 13 miles of bike trails, 13 miles of horse
trails and 9
	 miles of hiking trails. The area in
	 question is the rest of the park ACROSS HWY 14. I guess no one
ever ventures
	 over there after climbing up the rock.

	 Has anyone ever ridden there? I've sent the WA State parks
people an e-mail
	 asking them what the scoop
	 is, but no response so far. Could this be a new playground for
us?

	 If the link doesn't work, just google Beacon Rock State Park, WA


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We've all seen the Beacon Rock while driving thru the Gorge, but did you
know there are 13 miles of
bike trails there? Has anyone ever checked it out? A gentleman from Mazamas,
Richard Thomas, called
me back in early summer and said he has been hiking there for decades. One
thing he never sees are other
people! He asked me why don't we check the area out as a possible riding
spot?  Well, if you check out
this site, http://www.parks.wa.gov/parkpage.asp?selectedpark=Beacon%20Rock
<http://www.parks.wa.gov/parkpage.asp?selectedpark=Beacon%20Rock&pageno=1>
&pageno=1
it says there are 13 miles of bike trails, 13 miles of horse trails and 9
miles of hiking trails. The area in
question is the rest of the park ACROSS HWY 14. I guess no one ever ventures
over there after climbing up the rock.

Has anyone ever ridden there? I've sent the WA State parks people an e-mail
asking them what the scoop
is, but no response so far. Could this be a new playground for us?

If the link doesn't work, just google Beacon Rock State Park, WA


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I have a comp day off work on Thursday and it's looking to be a
beautiful day. Anyone wanna join me on a ride?

Thinking the Tilly or ??  ~15-20 miles, moderate pace.

John

fyi: Want to get a jump on your 2005 PUMP Paydirt? Contact the CAMBA folks
below
and help out with the Hospital Hill trail........

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-----Original Message-----
From: the Spaeth's [mailto:spaeth@...]
Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2004 5:38 AM
To: Dan/Ann McDonald
Cc: camba@...
Subject: Re: Hospital Hill CAMBA/Gun Club reroute


The Gun Club reroute project is moving ahead nicely. Last thursday Terry
Larsell and I put in a little over 3 hrs each and managed to get the
east side bridge installed. Terry's building expertise was monumental to
the fast construction time. I put in an additional 2hrs of trail cutting
and bank management on either side of the bridge last tuesday. Kay
Kucera has been hacking away at the trail behind the buildings at the
gun club (and I hope she is keeping track of her time), but she is
making great progress. The Gun Club members have been very helpful
through all of this.

We had a meeting with Bill Weiler from the Dept. of Fish and Wildlife on
monday morning. It went well and we will be applying for our permits
hopefully this week. Thanks Bill for showing us some of the important
things to have covered on the permit applications.

Thanks also to Jay Carroll for doing some research and drawings of ideas
for the west end bridge. Construction on that end should hopefully begin
soon.

There is still some small touch up work that could be done on the upper
trail. If anyone is interested shoot me an e-mail or give me a call. We
will probably try to do at least one more actual work party. Right now
individuals involved have been going down and working whenever time
permits. This has been keeping progress steadily moving along. Thanks to
everyone! The rerouted section is a blast to ride and the bridge is
easily rideable from both directions so no more starting your ride with
wet feet.

Thanks
Craig Spaeth
509.493.4294

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Hey PUMPsters, tonite's the night.
Come on over to my house Tuesday night, 11/2, and watch some election returns
and help collate, stuff and stamp the November PUMP newsletter.  I'll have some
BEvERage available.  If election returns bore you then try hustling some pool in
the basement.  Bring a spouse or a friend.  Bring your willingness to help stuff
and stamp.  And bring your sense of humor.  Cheer your candidate or cry in your
beer but no brawling allowed.  Come over anytime between 6:30pm and 10pm.

Lynn Norbury, 3444 NE Hassalo St.,
The nearest cross streets are 33rd Ave. NE and Sandy Blvd.  From Sandy and 33rd,
head SE on Peerless Ave., take second left onto Hassalo, my house is 5th on the
right, white with 2 columns on front porch and a red paver driveway.  Come up
the driveway to the backdoor.  We'll be hanging out in the basement.
LynnerT@...


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Sorry to be the bearer of bad news but the CRT is currently closed the
Mt. Bikes. Check out the attached link for more trail info in the
Clackamas Ranger District.

http://www.fs.fed.us/r6/mthood/recreation/trails/clackamas-river-conditi
ons.shtml


The Rho(Rhodedendren)Ridge trail might be a viable alternative but it
around 4000'and could be under snow. It's 10 miles long along a ridge
with a spectacular view of Mt Jefferson. I haven't ridden it yet but it
looks like it could be choice. It's about 20 miles past the Indian Henry
CRT trailhead, almost to Bagby Hot Springs.

Jason

We rode the CRT a few weeks ago and it's only about 8mi. There are some
other trails in the area but I'm not that familiar with them. We rode
from the trail head, down to Fish Camp, and back up the road (15mi
loop). The conditions were almost dangerous in spots (soft shoulders,
loose rocks covered in fallen wet leaves, spots of wash out, etc...) and
there were a few downed trees (at least two I couldn't ride over). Some
sections were pretty over-grown as well. It definitely put my skills to
test in more then one spot but we both had a great time. Be prepared for
some "less then stellar" trail conditions due to rain and lack of
maintenance. We saw no recent evidence of bikes but ran across a few
hikers. We were doing a "moderate" pace and it still took 3 hours, YMMV.

To get there:

Go through Estacada and continue out HWY 224 (approx 15 miles). You'll
pass Fish Camp (the end of the CRT) and about 7mi later you'll see a
sign for Indian Henry campground, turn right (Forest Service Road 4620).
The parking lot for trail head is up just a short distance on the right.
Make sure you take the trail to the right, this is the CRT. All in all
it's about a 60mi drive from Portland.

Hope this helps!

Guy
On Monday, November 1, 2004, at 04:50 PM, Susan Martin wrote:

> I am thinking about doing the Clackamas River Trail this Sunday.  I
> would
> like to ride at least 30 miles, preferably 50.  Is the CRT that long
> and if
> not are there other trails to incorporate with the Clackamas.
>
> Let me know if there are any suggestions and recommendations regarding
> this
> trail system.  This is an area and trail system that I have not yet
> explored.
>
> I am also not familiar with where this trail is located.  What is the
> best
> way to reach the trail system.  Thanks for any information you may have.
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> Susan
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I am thinking about doing the Clackamas River Trail this Sunday.  I would
like to ride at least 30 miles, preferably 50.  Is the CRT that long and if
not are there other trails to incorporate with the Clackamas.

Let me know if there are any suggestions and recommendations regarding this
trail system.  This is an area and trail system that I have not yet
explored.

I am also not familiar with where this trail is located.  What is the best
way to reach the trail system.  Thanks for any information you may have.

Thanks
Susan

The Kona A wasn't a horst link, the rear pivot was on the seatstay and the front
pivot was around the bottom bracket shell.  That's really the only way to make a
full suspension without a spring loaded tensioner.  The chain tension was set
with horizontal dropouts (track-ends).  an EBB in that design wouldn't work
because if the EBB were set on the top half of the rotation the effective
chaninstay length shortens under comression (loosening the chain), and if on the
bottom half it lengthens (tightening the chain).

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Even horst link designs (like the FSR for example) have a small change.

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I believe that is a quorum. After all "Good Design Always Contributes To The
Bottom Line."

This is not to say the four bar linkage (with or withouta horst link )is
anything less than the most popular suspension design.  Kona used a four bar
design on their single speed fully, but they compensated by using what apears to
be an eccentric bottom bracket.


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- eric

-- rogerlouton@... wrote:


uh, yeah, sounds good to me!


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From: Eric [mailto:ewascent1@...]
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This is my guess. Maybe an engineer can help with this one (Roger).

I belive the Titus Susan rides uses a Horst link. So our lab testing proves
that there is something funny. My guess is that the Horst link keeps the
length between the rear axle and the bottom bracket within an acceptible
tolerance under pedalling and braking on relatively flat terrain (isloating
inputs to the suspension from these systems), without compromising a fully
active engagement of the suspension. When the suspension starts progressing
through the travel the chain tension is adjusted by the derailure more than
the Horst linkage.


- eric

-- "skibaru2" <skibaru@...> wrote:



> unless you have a lockout or a unified rear triangle
> design (URT), you will not be able to do this. The action of
> the suspension will cause too much slack in the chain.

It would seem like true Horst-Link pivot designs shouldn't suffer
from this. Or does the fact that it's supposed to keep the chainstay
length the same throughout the range of the suspension only really
apply on paper?

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uh, yeah, sounds good to me!


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To: pumpclub@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [pumpclub] Re: vagarities of turning a fully into a SS



This is my guess. Maybe an engineer can help with this one (Roger).

I belive the Titus Susan rides uses a Horst link. So our lab testing proves
that there is something funny. My guess is that the Horst link keeps the
length between the rear axle and the bottom bracket within an acceptible
tolerance under pedalling and braking on relatively flat terrain (isloating
inputs to the suspension from these systems), without compromising a fully
active engagement of the suspension. When the suspension starts progressing
through the travel the chain tension is adjusted by the derailure more than
the Horst linkage.


- eric

-- "skibaru2" <skibaru@...> wrote:



> unless you have a lockout or a unified rear triangle
> design (URT), you will not be able to do this. The action of
> the suspension will cause too much slack in the chain.

It would seem like true Horst-Link pivot designs shouldn't suffer
from this. Or does the fact that it's supposed to keep the chainstay
length the same throughout the range of the suspension only really
apply on paper?

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This is my guess. Maybe an engineer can help with this one (Roger).

I belive the Titus Susan rides uses a Horst link. So our lab testing proves that
there is something funny. My guess is that the Horst link keeps the length
between the rear axle and the bottom bracket within an acceptible tolerance
under pedalling and braking on relatively flat terrain (isloating inputs to the
suspension from these systems), without compromising a fully active engagement
of the suspension. When the suspension starts progressing through the travel the
chain tension is adjusted by the derailure more than the Horst linkage.


- eric

-- "skibaru2" <skibaru@...> wrote:



> unless you have a lockout or a unified rear triangle
> design (URT), you will not be able to do this. The action of
> the suspension will cause too much slack in the chain.

It would seem like true Horst-Link pivot designs shouldn't suffer
from this. Or does the fact that it's supposed to keep the chainstay
length the same throughout the range of the suspension only really
apply on paper?

John







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> unless you have a lockout or a unified rear triangle
> design (URT), you will not be able to do this. The action of
> the suspension will cause too much slack in the chain.

It would seem like true Horst-Link pivot designs shouldn't suffer
from this. Or does the fact that it's supposed to keep the chainstay
length the same throughout the range of the suspension only really
apply on paper?

John