Tomorrow, Monday March 2nd, is the deadline for receiving comments on the
trail guidelines for Portland Parks.  Please go to the following link and  add
your comments!
_http://www.portlandonline.com/parks/index.cfm?c=49182_
(http://www.portlandonline.com/parks/index.cfm?c=49182)

Trail Type G is the guideline for generic Mountain Biking.   The guidelines
as currently written do not separate Crosscountry from Freeriding  from
Downhilling, let alone mentioning skills parks.  The description for  Type G
says
that 'this trail type is not intended for the high speed, downhill,  jumps,
structures, and/or technical features of 'free-riding.'   It later mentions that
if
a site is developed for free-riding, certain  features might be added for
added challenges.  Where are the guidelines for  free-riding then?  There aren't
any.
The description also says that: 'Seasonal trail closures may be needed to
prevent erosion.'  But it doesn't mention that for any of the other users  of
trails - including horses!  If conditions on the trails are not  suitable for
riding, then they are probably not suitable for other users as  well.
If each of our styles of mountain biking had their own set of guidelines it
may help us secure access to more singletrack trails.  And, it may help us  in
the future to get places where other styles of riding are allowed.  I  can
see someone in the future saying - 'oh there's no provision in the  guidelines
for that style of riding, so you can't do it"...

Dave


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Sent mine.




________________________________
From: Jordan Norris <jordan.norris1@...>
To: pumpclub@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 1:47:14 PM
Subject: Re: [pumpclub] Help keep the Syncline Trail open to mtn bikes


Just sent mine.

J

On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 7:20 AM, Ted <tdodd2000@comcast. net> wrote:

>
> This email is a follow up to my Gorge Report at last nights PUMP meeting
>
> Through letter writing we can help keep the Syncline Trails open to
> mountain biking. Please don't assume that someone else will write
> the letters. Do your part to by writing yours. Do your part to help
> preserve the trails we ALL ride. It only took me 10 minutes to draft
> the short customized email voicing some of the talking points. Both my
> comments and the CAMBA talking points are listed below.
>
> We only have until Saturday, February 28, to get our comments in
> regarding the Coyote Wall (the Syncline to us) and Catherine Creek are
> management plan. You can write to them on-line:
>
> comments-pacificnor thwest-columbia- river-gorge- nsa@....
us<comments-pacificno rthwest-columbia -river-gorge- nsa%40fs. fed.us>
> <mailto:comments-pacificnor thwest-columbia- river-gorge- nsa@....
us<comments-pacificno rthwest-columbia -river-gorge- nsa%40fs. fed.us>
> >
>
> Or regular mail to: Daniel Harkenrider or Diana Ross, 902 Wasco Ave.,
> Hood River, OR 97031.
>
> There will be a FS group discussing which alternative to go with. They
> will be going through the letters they receive. There will not be an
> extension to the comment period. Dan Harkenrider is the CRGNSA Area
> Manager. He is the decider.
>
> Below is an example:
>
> These are my comments that I sent in, CAMBA has already email us
> additional talking points that you might want to concider as well.
>
> Dear Sir,
>
> I am an advanced mountain biker that both rides and volunteers. I have
> had the pleasure of riding some of the best single-track trails in the
> Pacific Northwest. I also have invested time to build & maintain some
> of those same trails.
>
> The following are my comments that I hope you and your team will
> consider regarding the Syncline Trail System.
>
> 1) Please preserve as many mtn. bike trails as possible. Good
> riders like myself, want a varied single-track trail system where we can
> explore various loops while we rack up a lot of miles. After reading
> the latest round of materials, the third option being considered is
> best.
>
> 2) I am not in favor eliminating any trails. However if some trails
> are to be removed, please make sure that NEW connector trails keep the
> whole Syncline (Catherine Creek to Courtney Rd) a continuous mtn bike
> trail system. As I stated above, mountain bikers can really rack up the
> miles and having "connector" trail(s) creates the opportunity to
> ride various sizes of loops and achieve the miles we are looking for.
> Having options is important to fulfilling the needs of various riders,
> riders ability, and fitness level.
>
> 3) Prior to closing or removing trails, I would strongly suggest
> that the NEW replacement trails be built. This will be the easiest way
> to guide users behavior and keep conflicts to a minimum. Replacement
> trails and routes should be constructed prior to decommissioning the old
> trails. However, should you choose to close or remove trails without
> creating alternates will create a lot of unneeded ill will among various
> users.
>
> 4) As for constructing the NEW replacement trails, I encourage you
> to ask for help. The local cycling community can be an asset to you.
> The mtn bikers in the area (and in Portland) are a large and talented
> group of volunteers that have been building and maintaining trails for
> years. We are willing to help make this project a success for everyone
> involved. We can help with trail re-routing suggestions, trail design,
> layout, and construction.
>
> Thanks for considering my comments and considering the needs of this
> growing user group.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>

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Great to hear stories from the days of old!  I appreciate the past -
genealogy is one of my hobbies - but I'm living here and now though!  Is  there
anyway we can get some of these stories, and photos that might  go along with
them,
so we can post them in the flickr.com PUMP group, and  have a portion of the
webpage devoted to 'ancient' history!??

Dave


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From: Pacific Crest Trail Association [mailto:jtripp@...]
Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 1:32 PM
To: Dan Moeller
Subject: Columbia Cascades Trails Skill College


February 25, 2009
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
CONTACT:
Jennifer Tripp
916-349-2109
jtripp@...
www.pcta.org/trailskillscollege

WANTED: A FEW GOOD TRAIL STEWARDS

Trails Skills College to be Held on National Trails Day Weekend

OREGON �?" Trail enthusiasts who have always wondered about how trails
are built or how to stabilize a crumbling slope are invited to the
Trail Skills College June 5-7, 2009 in Cascade
Locks at the Cascade Locks Marine Park. For those concerned with the
declining state of trails, it will be a chance to get outside and have
fun helping to save our trails.

Sponsored by the Pacific Crest Trail Association and the Trail keepers
of Oregon, the college will teach volunteers essential skills in trail
construction, design and maintenance. Instructors include experts and
professionals in the fields of recreational construction, trail
maintenance and leadership.

Participants will have the opportunity to learn everything they ever
wanted to know, from tread and erosion control to chainsaw use and
crew leadership in the field. �?oThis is a key opportunity for people
and groups to learn how to keep their trails open, secure and well
loved,�?� said Jamie Chabot of the Trail keepers of Oregon. �?oAnyone
with an interest in trail stewardship should attend, and anyone who
attends will discover new ways to improve the environment and
appreciate the environmental marvels of the Northwest.�?�

According to Dana Berthold, PCTA regional Representative,
"Trail work is fun, the trails need us, and trail volunteers are
fantastic people. You are practically guaranteed to have a great
experience."The goal of the Trail Skills College is to educate the
next generation of trail stewards in the Pacific Northwest, with the
ultimate aim of a healthier trail system and environment.

Classes will run all day June 5th through the 7th with hands on
training at the many nearby trails of the Columbia River Gorge. Free
camping is available for all attendees and some meals will
be provided. For those interested in attending, sign-up information
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I remember lots of great rides out there, we rode it all year round.  We rode in
mud, we rode in dust and the stuff the cows threw down. I especially remember
the New Years rides, and the cow trails that went to nowhere. We also did some
cool night rides in summer that gave some of us a little scare.  Who was with me
when we rode through the flood, and almost rode into the river.  We were up to
our chests at one point but that didn't cause us to waver.  Riding back on the
road was easy  it's always flat as you please. And what about gleaning by the
side of the road, there were fresh peaches, carrots and sweet peas.  Talk about
getting nostalgic, those great memories of back in the day.  But it's also a
good example of how it can all get taken away.
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Come on out, meet the folks, maybe join up, mentioning your MTB'er
status!:



Save the Date!
Forest Park Day of Stewardship - Spring
Saturday, March 21, 2009
9 am - 1 pm  *Volunteer appreciation party to follow at the Lucky Lab
Click here to register!
What:  Join The Forest Park Conservancy as we continue the 60th
anniversary celebration of Forest Park's dedication and the first day of
spring with another community-wide volunteer work party! In 2008, our two
Day of Stewardship events rallied more than 300 volunteers. On 3/21, we
will be working at four sites within Forest Park: Upper Macleay, Birch
Trail head at 53rd Ave, Springville Road/Firelane 7 and the Linnton
Neighborhood. Projects will focus on invasive species removal, native
plantings and possible trail work.
When:  9 am to 1 pm, with a volunteer appreciation party to follow at the
Lucky Lab on NW Quimby. Volunteers will receive food and beverages, and we
will be raffling off prizes donated from event sponsors.
Where: The event will be staged from four separate sites in Forest Park.
Please register for more information.

Why:  The Forest Park Conservancy is committed to protecting and enhancing
Forest Park. To that end, we are working to foster greater community
involvement and increase our capacity to care for this incredible
resource. We could not adequately address the Park's needs without the
help of volunteers such as yourself. We hope you can join us.

What to bring: Work gloves, long pants, a full water bottle, and a smile.
We recommend dressing in layers and bringing rain gear, regardless of the
forecast. We work in all conditions. There is no such thing as bad weather
- only inappropriate clothing!

RSVP: Pre-registration is requested. Detailed driving directions and
logistical information will be sent out within a week of the event. For
more information, please visit the event page on our website.

No previous experience required. All are welcome, though those under 18
must be accompanied by parent or guardian. This event is in partnership
with Portland Parks & Recreation. Many thanks to Patagonia, REI, West
Multnomah Soil & Water Conservation District, Siltronic, Trail Factor
Running Club, KEEN, the community of Linnton, Kettleman's Bagels, Grand
Central Baking Company, and Stumptown Coffee for their generous support.
For questions, please email Stephen Hatfield, FPC's Stewardship Director
at stephen@.... To sign up to volunteer, click here.
Thank you!


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This morning's The Oregonian has a front page story entitled: "Should St
Helens go national?".  Check it out.  Even though the paper has  supported the
transfer of the National Volcanic Monument from the Forest Service  to the
National Park Service - and there are valid reasons why this should be  done -
the
paper does do a good job of pointing out why the Monument should stay  with
the Forest Service.  The main reason behind the idea that the Monument  should
be transferred to the NPS is funding.  Funding for recreation in the  National
Forests has declined by 3% while funding for the similar sized Lassen
National Park in California has gone up 44%.
I'm not sure if any action at this point is required, but I would encourage
everyone to write to members of their Congressional delegation and urge that
the  Monument be adequately funded.  For Oregonians, urge your Delegation to
work their Washington colleagues to see that this can be done.

If you haven't already, go to the National Parks Traveler website at:
_http://www.nationalparkstraveler.com/2009/02/npca-peer-voice-concerns-over-prop\
osed-m
ountain-bike-rule-change-national-parks_
(http://www.nationalparkstraveler.com/2009/02/npca-peer-voice-concerns-over-prop\
osed-mountain-bike-rule-change-nati
onal-parks)
and see how some people view mountain biking in National Parks.

We have a lot of (friendly) work to do to reach out and help change peoples
minds.  But in the mean time try and see that the Mount St Helens National
Volcanic Monument receives adequate funding.

Dave
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Sorry for the rushed nature of this e-mail but I wanted to get something  out
ASAP.  The deadline for commenting on the Trail Guidelines for Portland
Parks is fast approaching.  It is March 2nd - Monday.
Go to: _http://pumpclub.org/node/849#comments_
(http://pumpclub.org/node/849#comments)  to  see a few comments on our website.

Check out the trail guidelines at:
_http://www.portlandonline.com/parks/index.cfm?c=49181_
(http://www.portlandonline.com/parks/index.cfm?c=49181)    There
are three categories for hiking and only one for mountain biking.   There are
several shared use trail guidelines though.
Check the photo for Hiking Trail Category B, the trail looks like the  type
of trail that would be sweet singletrack, but which various people claim  would
be too narrow for maintenance equipment.  hhhmmmmm.
  Category G is the category for mountain biking.   Freeriding is mentioned
under mountain biking, but it deserves it's own category  in my opinion.

Check the document out and get some comments in to the City by March  2nd.

Dave



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I hope this gets posted in time. There is a trail clearing party tomorrow on the
Wilson River Trail.� We will meet at 9am at the Cornelius Roadhouse Pub parking
lot. That is the McMinnamins pub just south of highway 26.
�
The only change from what we discussed at the Lucky Lab after the monthly
meeting, is this:� We will be working on the Wilson River Trail starting at the
bridge over the Wilson River right at Jones Creek.� This is about Mile Post
22.13.
�
Wayne Naillon
a member of PUMP
�
Please call if you want to join us.� 503-284-4892




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Riding Sunday? I was thinking the Wilson River Trail or Growler's Gulch. If you
are interested email or call me.

Cage
503-730-0882

I feel strongly that PUMP should continue to be named PUMP.� We do indeed have a
long and proud history.
�
Wayne Naillon




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We are putting together a more formalized committee structure for
everything.  This will split the work load up and will allow people to
plug themselves easier to the areas they want help in.

Shane



roger.louton@...
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Excellent reply Paul, and for those who want to help out, but just are not

into the
'marketing' stuff, help out in the way you feel comfortable. Maybe it's
just digging
in the dirt, being a good ambassador, helping with membership,
volunteering at events.
Just let the Board members know you want to help, and in what capacity,
and I am
sure there is some way you can make a difference and help us move forward.

p.fidrych@...
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I just want to add to Amy's email here. Nothing has been decided yet
or even considered. We are taking a holistic approach to this. We
are going to evaluate/discuss what is working currently, not working,
areas of improvement, action plans, and ultimately measures of success.

If anyone would like to get involved, now is the time to do so. We do
know that the riding season is coming fast,so we need to get moving.
This Sub-Committee will be meeting quite often to get something done
in a reasonable amount of time. Remember that beyond any decisions
that may be the outcome of this; it takes time for image design,
website etc.

We look forward to seeing anyone who would like to join in. If you
can't or are not interested in joining in, we welcome your positive
support. This is going to take a lot of effort from the group of
volunteers.

Thanks,
Paul

--- In pumpclub@yahoogroups.com, Amy Singmaster <asingmaster@...> wrote:
>
> We are creating a new subcommittee to look at marketing, branding and
> membership and will be having an initial meeting 6 p.m. at Starbucks,
> NW 23rd, this Sunday. Subcommittee members include Kris Schamp, Paul
> Fidrych, Brice Stivers, Cedar Kyes and Amy Singmaster. Anyone who
> would like to join the sub-committee is welcome. If interested,
> please RSVP by Sat. night in case we need more space and need to move
> the meeting. Thanks!
>
> Amy
>
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>

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Which day this weekend? Or both?



To: pumpclub@yahoogroups.com
From: roger.louton@...
Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 09:50:20 -0800
Subject: [pumpclub] Fw: Work Party





from our Buddy Jerry and our friends up in SW WA............

----- Forwarded by Roger Louton/Extern/164/DCAG/DCX on 02/26/2009 09:48 AM
-----

from: albers.eric@...

Cold Creek mtb'ers:

There is a work party at Rock ck. campground this weekend at 8:30. We will
be joining a large group of trail user's. The goal is to dry up some of
the
mud on the east side of the new bridge on the Tarbell Trail. We have four
loads of rock to move
up the trail, and have lots of equipment on loan, so we should be able to
get a
lot done.

Jerry de
360-910-0647

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I have some background in marketing/communications/PR and would like to
attend this first mtg.  Please add my name to list of attendess.  Thanks!

Curt Dewees

On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 8:29 AM, <roger.louton@...> wrote:

>   Excellent reply Paul, and for those who want to help out, but just are
> not
> into the
> 'marketing' stuff, help out in the way you feel comfortable. Maybe it's
> just digging
> in the dirt, being a good ambassador, helping with membership,
> volunteering at events.
> Just let the Board members know you want to help, and in what capacity,
> and I am
> sure there is some way you can make a difference and help us move forward.
>
> p.fidrych@... <p.fidrych%40excite.com>
> Sent by: pumpclub@yahoogroups.com <pumpclub%40yahoogroups.com>
> 02/25/2009 09:40 PM
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> pumpclub@yahoogroups.com <pumpclub%40yahoogroups.com>
>
> To
> pumpclub@yahoogroups.com <pumpclub%40yahoogroups.com>
> cc
>
> Subject
> [pumpclub] Re: New Marketing Subcommittee
>
>
> I just want to add to Amy's email here. Nothing has been decided yet
> or even considered. We are taking a holistic approach to this. We
> are going to evaluate/discuss what is working currently, not working,
> areas of improvement, action plans, and ultimately measures of success.
>
> If anyone would like to get involved, now is the time to do so. We do
> know that the riding season is coming fast,so we need to get moving.
> This Sub-Committee will be meeting quite often to get something done
> in a reasonable amount of time. Remember that beyond any decisions
> that may be the outcome of this; it takes time for image design,
> website etc.
>
> We look forward to seeing anyone who would like to join in. If you
> can't or are not interested in joining in, we welcome your positive
> support. This is going to take a lot of effort from the group of
> volunteers.
>
> Thanks,
> Paul
>
> --- In pumpclub@yahoogroups.com <pumpclub%40yahoogroups.com>, Amy
> Singmaster <asingmaster@...> wrote:
> >
> > We are creating a new subcommittee to look at marketing, branding and
> > membership and will be having an initial meeting 6 p.m. at Starbucks,
> > NW 23rd, this Sunday. Subcommittee members include Kris Schamp, Paul
> > Fidrych, Brice Stivers, Cedar Kyes and Amy Singmaster. Anyone who
> > would like to join the sub-committee is welcome. If interested,
> > please RSVP by Sat. night in case we need more space and need to move
> > the meeting. Thanks!
> >
> > Amy
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
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--
Curt Dewees
503-381-4010  cell


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from our Buddy Jerry and our friends up in SW WA............

----- Forwarded by Roger Louton/Extern/164/DCAG/DCX on 02/26/2009 09:48 AM
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from: albers.eric@...





Cold Creek mtb'ers:

There is a work party at Rock ck. campground this weekend at 8:30. We will
be joining a large group of trail user's. The goal is to dry up some of
the
mud on the east side of the new bridge on the Tarbell Trail. We have four
loads of rock to move
up the trail, and have lots of equipment on loan, so we should be able to
get a
lot done.

Jerry de
360-910-0647









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On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 08:19:48AM -0800, Barry wrote:
> Did anybody else see the comment about keeping comments on this topic confined
to the website ?

That's obviously not working (in general, not just for this topic).

Our website forum is inflexible, and its hard to find and follow threads
there, at least as compared to my simple email client, as well as most
other email clients out there. I've yet to see a web forum that has the
flexibility of a good email client or good newsreader software.

Orange-on-white is not a good color scheme for reading text.

And now our web page has gone completely bonkers, I hope it can get
fixed :-(

-- Patrick Mansfield

Excellent reply Paul, and for those who want to help out, but just are not
into the
'marketing' stuff, help out in the way you feel comfortable. Maybe it's
just digging
in the dirt, being a good ambassador, helping with membership,
volunteering at events.
Just let the Board members know you want to help, and in what capacity,
and I am
sure there is some way you can make a difference and help us move forward.






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I just want to add to Amy's email here. Nothing has been decided yet
or even considered. We are taking a holistic approach to this. We
are going to evaluate/discuss what is working currently, not working,
areas of improvement, action plans, and ultimately measures of success.

If anyone would like to get involved, now is the time to do so. We do
know that the riding season is coming fast,so we need to get moving.
This Sub-Committee will be meeting quite often to get something done
in a reasonable amount of time. Remember that beyond any decisions
that may be the outcome of this; it takes time for image design,
website etc.

We look forward to seeing anyone who would like to join in. If you
can't or are not interested in joining in, we welcome your positive
support. This is going to take a lot of effort from the group of
volunteers.

Thanks,
Paul

--- In pumpclub@yahoogroups.com, Amy Singmaster <asingmaster@...> wrote:
>
> We are creating a new subcommittee to look at marketing, branding and
> membership and will be having an initial meeting 6 p.m. at Starbucks,
> NW 23rd, this Sunday. Subcommittee members include Kris Schamp, Paul
> Fidrych, Brice Stivers, Cedar Kyes and Amy Singmaster. Anyone who
> would like to join the sub-committee is welcome. If interested,
> please RSVP by Sat. night in case we need more space and need to move
> the meeting. Thanks!
>
> Amy
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>




If you are not the intended addressee, please inform us immediately that you
have received this e-mail in error, and delete it. We thank you for your
cooperation.  =

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Did anybody else see the comment about keeping comments on this topic confined
to the website ?

--- On Wed, 2/25/09, Angela <marathonchic@...> wrote:
From: Angela <marathonchic@...>
Subject: Re: [pumpclub] NEW name for PUMP - NW Trail Alliance (NW TA)
To: pumpclub@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, February 25, 2009, 6:55 PM












             It sounds like the name change idea has already had the kabosh put
on it, but I'm going to express my opinion anyway.

�

I don't open many items on the PUMP listserve, but this one peaked my interest
and raised my�concern when I read it. The proposed name change�is not only
elitist, but it lacks creativity and is too general. Having been a member of
PUMP and being a current member of COTA, I can say the�areas you are trying to
compare are very different.�I agree that�COTA�does a fabulous job of proposing,
building, and maintaining trails in C.O. Please note however, besides a freeride
group that works closely with COTA,�COTA is�the only mountain biking group in
C.O. that I and other members know of.�To change the name PUMP to the NW Trail
Alliance, you are claiming a very large area of territory�and� attempting to
overshadow the other wonderful mountain biking groups that also maintain and
ride trails in OR and WA.�These groups include the Disciples�of Dirt, Merry
Cranksters, and Central Oregon Trail Alliance.�Correct� me if I am wrong, but I
haven't�heard

  of�many PUMP�members at a trail work party in Eugene nor have I seen
one�helping out in Bend. That's not a criticism,�it' s simply what happens.�The
beauty of it is, we are�all passionate about mountain biking�which results
in�awesome�singletrac k everyone gets�to enjoy! Let's�make sure we�give
one�another credit though.���

�

So in conclusion, the next time someone is motivated to�propose a name change
for PUMP please think about the image you�want to convey. There are many great
pioneers and advocates�of the sport we all love, they are not all located in
Portland though.

�

Or, as Terry so eloquently stated,�"Keep the name PUMP."

Angela�



--- On Wed, 2/25/09, Ted <tdodd2000@comcast. net> wrote:



From: Ted <tdodd2000@comcast. net>

Subject: [pumpclub] NEW name for PUMP - NW Trail Alliance (NW TA)

To: pumpclub@yahoogroup s.com

Date: Wednesday, February 25, 2009, 7:05 AM



A name change for PUMP can be good for several reasons.



After talking with several members and non-members over the last couple

months, I have come to the conclusion that PUMP needs a name change.



Why a name change?



� To reflect the what PUMP is and what it is becoming



� PUMP is no longer just a Portland Urban Mountain Bike club.

PUMP has become a regional organization



� Our range of travel, advocacy, and adventure spans greater

distances, and thus our name should do the same.



I propose the NEW name be NW Trail Alliance (NW TA). This name takes

from the success of COTA (Central Oregon Trail Alliance). This name

reflects that fact the we ride (& work on) trails in the NW area of

Oregon and Washington. From the Tillamook Forest, to Mt. St.Helens, to

the Gorge, to Mt. Hood, and so on.



To insure a successful name change we will need a plan and need

volunteers to help with the following:



� A marketing team to focus on getting the word out



� Advertizing



� Rebranding effort to educate the public about what we do



� Highlight our success and advocacy projects we are involved

in



� Recruiting effort and new membership



� Marketing to the land managers to inform them about who we

are what we do



In closing, this name change is not intended to disrespect the work of

people before us. Instead, we would be building upon what they started.

The new name would aid us in achieving our goals of promoting our sport

and protecting / preserving the trails we love. The new name is a new

marketing tool that better reflects the organization that we have

become.



NOTE - Please add your comments to the forum section on the Website



Ted D



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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]




























[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Nothing has been decided or voted on by the membership regarding a
name change.  Ted, who has spent countless volunteer hours for PUMP,
was expressing his opinion.  We all have the same goals but we may
not all agree on how to get there.  If you have an opinion please
keep the debate positive.

At the last membership meeting the general membership agreed to bylaw
changes and a board expansion.  This was done to merge multiple
advocate groups and position us for a big step forward.

The board feels that we need to grow our membership significantly in
order to be effective.  In my personsal opinion I think we need to be
at least 2000 paid members. We are working on putting a structure in
place that will help in this effort.

In order to grow our membership we need to look at how we market
ourselves to the community.  We have a marketing committee that is
taking a serious look into this.  As a board member I am not ruling
out any possibility on how we achieve this.  This may include a name
change(rebranding) or just and update on the current image.  Either
one will require a major marketing campaign.  I encourage anyone who
wants to contribute to show up to the meeting on Sunday to discuss.

If a name change is deemed necessary it will be put to a vote by the
general membership.

I am excited at where I think we can take the direction of PUMP.

Shane Gould
President
Portland United Mountain Pedalers

--- In pumpclub@yahoogroups.com, terry.h@... wrote:
>
>
>
> It was never "Portland Urban Mountain Bike Club".  It is, and
should stay Portland United Mountain Pedalers!  There's a strong
history, a good history with the name PUMP.  C'mon, we're NOT
a "trail alliance", whatever that is.  We're a mountain bike club. 
Someone on the PUMP forum is suggestiing a name that is "not mountain
bike specific"! WTF?  We don't need to try and fool people.  We ARE
mountain bike specific!  That's the point.  Mountain bike specific
means we ride, we advocate and we do workparties, among other
things.  There's nothing wro ng with that.  Let it stay PUMP and
concentrate the marketing efforts on getting the word out about an
organization that is proud of its history as a MOUNTAIN BIKE club
instead of trying to act like somthing we're not!
>
>
>
> Happy trails,
>
> -Terry
>
> PUMP member since 1986
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ted" <tdodd2000@...>
> To: pumpclub@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 7:05:30 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada
Pacific
> Subject: [pumpclub] NEW name for PUMP - NW Trail Alliance (NW TA)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> A name change for PUMP can be good for several reasons.
>
> After talking with several members and non-members over the last
couple
> months, I have come to the conclusion that PUMP needs a name
change.
>
> Why a name change?
>
> · To reflect the what PUMP is and what it is becoming
>
> · PUMP is no longer just a Portland Urban Mountain Bike club.
> PUMP has become a regional organization
>
> · Our range of travel, advocacy, and adventure spans greater
> distances, and thus our name should do the same.
>
> I propose the NEW name be NW Trail Alliance (NW TA). This name
takes
> from the success of COTA (Central Oregon Trail Alliance). This name
> reflects that fact the we ride (& work on) trails in the NW area of
> Oregon and Washington. From the Tillamook Forest, to Mt. St.Helens,
to
> the Gorge, to Mt. Hood, and so on.
>
> To insure a successful name change we will need a plan and need
> volunteers to help with the following:
>
> · A marketing team to focus on getting the word out
>
> · Advertizing
>
> · Rebranding effort to educate the public about what we do
>
> · Highlight our success and advocacy projects we are involved
> in
>
> · Recruiting effort and new membership
>
> · Marketing to the land managers to inform them about who we
> are what we do
>
> In closing, this name change is not intended to disrespect the work
of
> people before us. Instead, we would be building upon what they
started.
> The new name would aid us in achieving our goals of promoting our
sport
> and protecting / preserving the trails we love. The new name is a
new
> marketing tool that better reflects the organization that we have
> become.
>
> NOTE - Please add your comments to the forum section on the Website
>
> Ted D
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Ron,

You are not old.  I believe you rode me into the ground in Scappoose
last summer.

Shane

--- In pumpclub@yahoogroups.com, "Ron and Dorothy Strasser"
<rondot@...> wrote:
>
> If the name stays PUMP that is fine with me and if it changes that
is fine with me.  There is NOTHING wrong with a name change.  Angela
has some good points, but as I read the name change proposal... it
was just that... a proposal.  Nothing is done.  Nothing is final.  If
the new board wants to propose to the members a name change, they
will do so I imagine.  I take nothing away from original PUMP members
or the founder, but I also take nothing away from people with new
ideas that want to contribute to helping continue our basic goals of
helping gain access and doing service in the name of mountain
biking.  I remember Jim Merz.  He brazed on one of my old touring
frames when his shop was in NW Portland.  That was then.  This is
now.  I am old and feel old sometimes and at others I like to ride
fast and take lots of chances.  That does not mean that all who ride
fast are a detriment to the cause of mountain bike access.  Everyone
rides in there own space.  The important point is to be respectful of
others.  As we know, mountain bikers are people just like anyone
else.  That means we are made up of all types of folk that have good
and bad days.  We all have the ability to be a nice human or a jerk
at times.  Of course when we are a jerk (and on a mountain bike) you
can be sure that is what the general public will remember.  I say
lets try to get as many people involved in what the _____ ever the
club will be called and help them learn more about riding, building,
maintenance, etc. and treating other users with respect.   We want
members that are wobbly on knobbies or able to clear a 20 foot gap.
Lets not forget the past, but not live in it please.  Lets move on in
a positive manner.  We individuals will make up this organization.
If there are more of us, it will allow us to have more impact in
various areas that interest the individuals in the group.  Negative
energy is gonna bring ya down.  It is your individual choice each day.
> Sorry if I ruffled any feathers, but this is the way I feel about
what I see as a huge POSITIVE step for this group.
> ron
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: Angela
>   To: pumpclub@yahoogroups.com
>   Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 6:55 PM
>   Subject: Re: [pumpclub] NEW name for PUMP - NW Trail Alliance (NW
TA)
>
>
>   It sounds like the name change idea has already had the kabosh
put on it, but I'm going to express my opinion anyway.
>
>   I don't open many items on the PUMP listserve, but this one
peaked my interest and raised my concern when I read it. The proposed
name change is not only elitist, but it lacks creativity and is too
general. Having been a member of PUMP and being a current member of
COTA, I can say the areas you are trying to compare are very
different. I agree that COTA does a fabulous job of proposing,
building, and maintaining trails in C.O. Please note however, besides
a freeride group that works closely with COTA, COTA is the only
mountain biking group in C.O. that I and other members know of. To
change the name PUMP to the NW Trail Alliance, you are claiming a
very large area of territory and attempting to overshadow the other
wonderful mountain biking groups that also maintain and ride trails
in OR and WA. These groups include the Disciples of Dirt, Merry
Cranksters, and Central Oregon Trail Alliance. Correct me if I am
wrong, but I haven't heard
>   of many PUMP members at a trail work party in Eugene nor have I
seen one helping out in Bend. That's not a criticism, it's simply
what happens. The beauty of it is, we are all passionate about
mountain biking which results in awesome singletrack everyone gets to
enjoy! Let's make sure we give one another credit though.
>
>   So in conclusion, the next time someone is motivated to propose a
name change for PUMP please think about the image you want to convey.
There are many great pioneers and advocates of the sport we all love,
they are not all located in Portland though.
>
>   Or, as Terry so eloquently stated, "Keep the name PUMP."
>   Angela
>
>   --- On Wed, 2/25/09, Ted <tdodd2000@...> wrote:
>
>   From: Ted <tdodd2000@...>
>   Subject: [pumpclub] NEW name for PUMP - NW Trail Alliance (NW TA)
>   To: pumpclub@yahoogroups.com
>   Date: Wednesday, February 25, 2009, 7:05 AM
>
>   A name change for PUMP can be good for several reasons.
>
>   After talking with several members and non-members over the last
couple
>   months, I have come to the conclusion that PUMP needs a name
change.
>
>   Why a name change?
>
>   � To reflect the what PUMP is and what it is becoming
>
>   � PUMP is no longer just a Portland Urban Mountain Bike club.
>   PUMP has become a regional organization
>
>   � Our range of travel, advocacy, and adventure spans greater
>   distances, and thus our name should do the same.
>
>   I propose the NEW name be NW Trail Alliance (NW TA). This name
takes
>   from the success of COTA (Central Oregon Trail Alliance). This
name
>   reflects that fact the we ride (& work on) trails in the NW area
of
>   Oregon and Washington. From the Tillamook Forest, to Mt.
St.Helens, to
>   the Gorge, to Mt. Hood, and so on.
>
>   To insure a successful name change we will need a plan and need
>   volunteers to help with the following:
>
>   � A marketing team to focus on getting the word out
>
>   � Advertizing
>
>   � Rebranding effort to educate the public about what we do
>
>   � Highlight our success and advocacy projects we are involved
>   in
>
>   � Recruiting effort and new membership
>
>   � Marketing to the land managers to inform them about who we
>   are what we do
>
>   In closing, this name change is not intended to disrespect the
work of
>   people before us. Instead, we would be building upon what they
started.
>   The new name would aid us in achieving our goals of promoting our
sport
>   and protecting / preserving the trails we love. The new name is a
new
>   marketing tool that better reflects the organization that we have
>   become.
>
>   NOTE - Please add your comments to the forum section on the
Website
>
>   Ted D
>
>   [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>   [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

I got to agree with Terry. Portland United Mountain Pedalers is well established
and respected in the region. If it ain't broke don't fix it.

Ray
   ----- Original Message -----
   From: terry.h@...
   To: pumpclub@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 8:32 AM
   Subject: [pumpclub] Keep the name PUMP




   It was never "Portland Urban Mountain Bike Club".  It is, and should stay
Portland United Mountain Pedalers!  There's a strong history, a good history
with the name PUMP.  C'mon, we're NOT a "trail alliance", whatever that is. 
We're a mountain bike club.  Someone on the PUMP forum is suggestiing a name
that is "not mountain bike specific"! WTF?  We don't need to try and fool
people.  We ARE mountain bike specific!  That's the point.  Mountain bike
specific means we ride, we advocate and we do workparties, among other things. 
There's nothing wro ng with that.  Let it stay PUMP and concentrate the
marketing efforts on getting the word out about an organization that is proud of
its history as a MOUNTAIN BIKE club instead of trying to act like somthing we're
not!

   Happy trails,

   -Terry

   PUMP member since 1986

   ----- Original Message -----
   From: "Ted" <tdodd2000@...>
   To: pumpclub@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 7:05:30 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
   Subject: [pumpclub] NEW name for PUMP - NW Trail Alliance (NW TA)

   A name change for PUMP can be good for several reasons.

   After talking with several members and non-members over the last couple
   months, I have come to the conclusion that PUMP needs a name change.

   Why a name change?

   · To reflect the what PUMP is and what it is becoming

   · PUMP is no longer just a Portland Urban Mountain Bike club.
   PUMP has become a regional organization

   · Our range of travel, advocacy, and adventure spans greater
   distances, and thus our name should do the same.

   I propose the NEW name be NW Trail Alliance (NW TA). This name takes
   from the success of COTA (Central Oregon Trail Alliance). This name
   reflects that fact the we ride (& work on) trails in the NW area of
   Oregon and Washington. From the Tillamook Forest, to Mt. St.Helens, to
   the Gorge, to Mt. Hood, and so on.

   To insure a successful name change we will need a plan and need
   volunteers to help with the following:

   · A marketing team to focus on getting the word out

   · Advertizing

   · Rebranding effort to educate the public about what we do

   · Highlight our success and advocacy projects we are involved
   in

   · Recruiting effort and new membership

   · Marketing to the land managers to inform them about who we
   are what we do

   In closing, this name change is not intended to disrespect the work of
   people before us. Instead, we would be building upon what they started.
   The new name would aid us in achieving our goals of promoting our sport
   and protecting / preserving the trails we love. The new name is a new
   marketing tool that better reflects the organization that we have
   become.

   NOTE - Please add your comments to the forum section on the Website

   Ted D

   [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

   [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]




[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I just want to add to Amy's email here.  Nothing has been decided yet
or even considered.  We are taking a holistic approach to this.  We
are going to evaluate/discuss what is working currently, not working,
areas of improvement, action plans, and ultimately measures of success.

If anyone would like to get involved, now is the time to do so.  We do
know that the riding season is coming fast,so we need to get moving.
This Sub-Committee will be meeting quite often to get something done
in a reasonable amount of time.  Remember that beyond any decisions
that may be the outcome of this; it takes time for image design,
website etc.

We look forward to seeing anyone who would like to join in.  If you
can't or are not interested in joining in, we welcome your positive
support.  This is going to take a lot of effort from the group of
volunteers.

Thanks,
Paul

--- In pumpclub@yahoogroups.com, Amy Singmaster <asingmaster@...> wrote:
>
> We are creating a new subcommittee to look at marketing, branding and
> membership and will be having an initial meeting 6 p.m. at Starbucks,
> NW 23rd, this Sunday. Subcommittee members include Kris Schamp, Paul
> Fidrych, Brice Stivers, Cedar Kyes and Amy Singmaster. Anyone who
> would like to join the sub-committee is welcome. If interested,
> please RSVP by Sat. night in case we need more space and need to move
> the meeting. Thanks!
>
> Amy
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

If the name stays PUMP that is fine with me and if it changes that is fine with
me.  There is NOTHING wrong with a name change.  Angela has some good points,
but as I read the name change proposal... it was just that... a proposal. 
Nothing is done.  Nothing is final.  If the new board wants to propose to the
members a name change, they will do so I imagine.  I take nothing away from
original PUMP members or the founder, but I also take nothing away from people
with new ideas that want to contribute to helping continue our basic goals of
helping gain access and doing service in the name of mountain biking.  I
remember Jim Merz.  He brazed on one of my old touring frames when his shop was
in NW Portland.  That was then.  This is now.  I am old and feel old sometimes
and at others I like to ride fast and take lots of chances.  That does not mean
that all who ride fast are a detriment to the cause of mountain bike access. 
Everyone rides in there own space.  The important point is to be respectful of
others.  As we know, mountain bikers are people just like anyone else.  That
means we are made up of all types of folk that have good and bad days.  We all
have the ability to be a nice human or a jerk at times.  Of course when we are a
jerk (and on a mountain bike) you can be sure that is what the general public
will remember.  I say lets try to get as many people involved in what the _____
ever the club will be called and help them learn more about riding, building,
maintenance, etc. and treating other users with respect.   We want members that
are wobbly on knobbies or able to clear a 20 foot gap.   Lets not forget the
past, but not live in it please.  Lets move on in a positive manner.  We
individuals will make up this organization.  If there are more of us, it will
allow us to have more impact in various areas that interest the individuals in
the group.  Negative energy is gonna bring ya down.  It is your individual
choice each day.
Sorry if I ruffled any feathers, but this is the way I feel about what I see as
a huge POSITIVE step for this group.
ron
   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Angela
   To: pumpclub@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 6:55 PM
   Subject: Re: [pumpclub] NEW name for PUMP - NW Trail Alliance (NW TA)


   It sounds like the name change idea has already had the kabosh put on it, but
I'm going to express my opinion anyway.

   I don't open many items on the PUMP listserve, but this one peaked my interest
and raised my concern when I read it. The proposed name change is not only
elitist, but it lacks creativity and is too general. Having been a member of
PUMP and being a current member of COTA, I can say the areas you are trying to
compare are very different. I agree that COTA does a fabulous job of proposing,
building, and maintaining trails in C.O. Please note however, besides a freeride
group that works closely with COTA, COTA is the only mountain biking group in
C.O. that I and other members know of. To change the name PUMP to the NW Trail
Alliance, you are claiming a very large area of territory and attempting to
overshadow the other wonderful mountain biking groups that also maintain and
ride trails in OR and WA. These groups include the Disciples of Dirt, Merry
Cranksters, and Central Oregon Trail Alliance. Correct me if I am wrong, but I
haven't heard
   of many PUMP members at a trail work party in Eugene nor have I seen one
helping out in Bend. That's not a criticism, it's simply what happens. The
beauty of it is, we are all passionate about mountain biking which results in
awesome singletrack everyone gets to enjoy! Let's make sure we give one another
credit though.

   So in conclusion, the next time someone is motivated to propose a name change
for PUMP please think about the image you want to convey. There are many great
pioneers and advocates of the sport we all love, they are not all located in
Portland though.

   Or, as Terry so eloquently stated, "Keep the name PUMP."
   Angela

   --- On Wed, 2/25/09, Ted <tdodd2000@...> wrote:

   From: Ted <tdodd2000@...>
   Subject: [pumpclub] NEW name for PUMP - NW Trail Alliance (NW TA)
   To: pumpclub@yahoogroups.com
   Date: Wednesday, February 25, 2009, 7:05 AM

   A name change for PUMP can be good for several reasons.

   After talking with several members and non-members over the last couple
   months, I have come to the conclusion that PUMP needs a name change.

   Why a name change?

   � To reflect the what PUMP is and what it is becoming

   � PUMP is no longer just a Portland Urban Mountain Bike club.
   PUMP has become a regional organization

   � Our range of travel, advocacy, and adventure spans greater
   distances, and thus our name should do the same.

   I propose the NEW name be NW Trail Alliance (NW TA). This name takes
   from the success of COTA (Central Oregon Trail Alliance). This name
   reflects that fact the we ride (& work on) trails in the NW area of
   Oregon and Washington. From the Tillamook Forest, to Mt. St.Helens, to
   the Gorge, to Mt. Hood, and so on.

   To insure a successful name change we will need a plan and need
   volunteers to help with the following:

   � A marketing team to focus on getting the word out

   � Advertizing

   � Rebranding effort to educate the public about what we do

   � Highlight our success and advocacy projects we are involved
   in

   � Recruiting effort and new membership

   � Marketing to the land managers to inform them about who we
   are what we do

   In closing, this name change is not intended to disrespect the work of
   people before us. Instead, we would be building upon what they started.
   The new name would aid us in achieving our goals of promoting our sport
   and protecting / preserving the trails we love. The new name is a new
   marketing tool that better reflects the organization that we have
   become.

   NOTE - Please add your comments to the forum section on the Website

   Ted D

   [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

   [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]




[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I think the Agency(s) in control of the uncultivated areas on Sauvie are the
Oregon Dept. of Fish and Wildlife and at least one Federal Agency.  It is pretty
locked up for Wildlife habitat, viewing and of course for people with
shotguns... killing protected wildlife.  I used to ride out there a great deal
and saw alot of wildlife.  Of course as time went on the four legged wildlife
were seen less often while the birds seemed to still be around.  Then one day
could not go there any longer.  But I do think that we might be making ourselves
a bit more important than we think if we believe that mountain bikers were the
reason bike riding was stopped out there.  I believe it was much more than that.
Many things came into play around that time.  Land use was being swapped between
Agencies and private landowners to enhance wildlife habitat.  I used to take my
dog out there as well... and that dog loved to chase the wildlife.... Dogs are
not allowed out there now unless on a leash.  It is so close to Portland that it
easily could be engulfed by human use.  The beaches used to be a very nice place
to go on a hot day.  Last time I was out there (years ago now) it was beyond a
ZOO.  I will not say never, but I think this area is pretty much locked up as
non bike area.  It is a very flat ride.  Maybe Portland United Beach Cruisers
would be a group to work on that one.
   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Jordan Norris
   To: pumpclub@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 1:18 PM
   Subject: Re: [pumpclub] Sauvies Island


   Who currently manages this area? I wonder if we could re-look at the area?

   Jordan

   On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 1:02 PM, <roger.louton@...> wrote:

   > More local history: Who ever knew about riding this? And why we now
   > can't:
   >
   > Roger:
   > It's been a while since I've been out there but there were four really
   > cool riding areas on Sauvie Island. In fact PUMP's first group ride was
   > exploring the lakes past the end of Steelman Rd. The island has, as I
   > recall 21 lakes. Most are intermittent and accessible by bike. The
   > island is flat, and I always encouraged gonzo riders to ride rearguard
   > or stay at home. There are jeep roads through the main parts, and the
   > rest is single track and cow trails.
   >
   > Oak Island is the middle ride, and you can hook up with the Steelman Rd
   > areas via a locked but climbable gate (where I once was rode under two
   > huge bald eagles about ten feet above me.) The whole ride is about four
   > miles if you loop it and up to seven miles when you cut through the
   > woods. Great place for beginners, kids, picnickers and lovers.
   >
   > Off Reeder Rd is (I think) Military Rd with cow trails, single track,
   > cows, and floating bridges. From here you can hook up (down by the boat
   > ramp) with the Lighthouse Trail area.
   >
   > At the end of Reeder Rd, past the nude beach (once led a ride that
   > included a loop through), past the cul-de-sac, over the sty and into the
   > woods is the Lighthouse Trail. At first we just rode the road along the
   > river until we discovered the cow trails leading to some of the most
   > beautiful little Eden. The whole area is a wildlife refuge so there is
   > little if any maintenance. This of course results into some nice
   > technical single track. Roots, down logs and trees, mud when its wet,
   > and hard pack when it's dry. Because mtn bikes can be pretty quiet,
   > there was always a chance of coming across wildlife doing their regular
   > thing. I've seen deer, fox, coyote, several kinds of hawks and tons of
   > birds and small creatures.
   >
   > This was a place I would go alone sometimes just to take the quiet and
   > the beauty. Small group rides were always fun and adventurous, a group
   > of elite PUMP members had an annual "Ring in The New" ride every New
   > Year's day (I can reveal that now) and then one day some mechanics from a
   > few of the local bike shops decided to raft a keg down to the light house
   > and have a mtn bike party. Needless to say; beer, mtn bikes,
   > testosterone and Eden are a terrible mix. There were several short
   > rides. I tried to keep them under control but there were some dudes, new
   > to me, who decided the race was on. At one point one guy landed on his
   > head going up a slight incline that he grossly over compensated for, and
   > as if that wasn't enough to jar some sense into the group, they came
   > screeching to a stop in front of some rangers on horseback.
   >
   > Later that year the new management plan came up for renewal. As far as
   > land use was concerned it was the farmers, the neighbors, the sportsmen,
   > some recreationist (bird watchers, canoe and kayak users etc) and three
   > mtn bikes. Several articles were written to encourage bodies to show up
   > at these meetings, hands were raised at the PUMP meetings. Promises were
   > made and at three different meetings there were five of us at one, and
   > just me and two others at the other two.
   >
   > When the following spring arrived the signs were up. $50 to ride, well,
   > if you got caught riding. You could apply for a permit to ride at a
   > particular time. At one time I submitted an application but heard
   > nothing back.
   >
   > Losing this area was in my opinion unnecessary and a painful slap of
   > reality of what can happen when people sit on their asses and let "them
   > take care of it" I wonder if somebody else would have stepped up for
   > Forest Park, if it were not me.
   >
   > So that's the Clif Notes version, there are tons of details and memories.
   > I'm sure we could lobby for access, but I think we might have to have
   > something
   > to offer them in return (trail clean ups, pay or signs, fix bridges, that
   > kind of stuff).
   >
   > Theo
   >
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   > you have received this e-mail in error, and delete it. We thank you for your
   > cooperation. =
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We are creating a new subcommittee to look at marketing, branding and
membership and will be having an initial meeting 6 p.m. at Starbucks,
NW 23rd, this Sunday. Subcommittee members include Kris Schamp, Paul
Fidrych, Brice Stivers, Cedar Kyes and Amy Singmaster. Anyone who
would like to join the sub-committee is welcome. If interested,
please RSVP by Sat. night in case we need more space and need to move
the meeting. Thanks!

Amy

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We are creating a new subcommittee to look at
marketing, branding and membership and will be
having an initial meeting 6 p.m. at Starbucks, NW
23rd, this Sunday. Subcommittee members include
Kris Schamp, Paul Fidrych, Brice Stivers, Cedar
Kyes and Amy Singmaster. Anyone who would like to
join the sub-committee is welcome. If interested,
please RSVP by Sat. night in case we need more
space and need to move the meeting. Thanks!
Amy


At 3:05 PM +0000 2/25/09, Ted wrote:
>A name change for PUMP can be good for several reasons.
>
>After talking with several members and non-members over the last couple
>months, I have come to the conclusion that PUMP needs a name change.
>
>Why a name change?
>
>� To reflect the what PUMP is and what it is becoming
>
>� PUMP is no longer just a Portland Urban Mountain Bike club.
>PUMP has become a regional organization
>
>� Our range of travel, advocacy, and adventure spans greater
>distances, and thus our name should do the same.
>
>I propose the NEW name be NW Trail Alliance (NW TA). This name takes
>from the success of COTA (Central Oregon Trail Alliance). This name
>reflects that fact the we ride (& work on) trails in the NW area of
>Oregon and Washington. From the Tillamook Forest, to Mt. St.Helens, to
>the Gorge, to Mt. Hood, and so on.
>
>To insure a successful name change we will need a plan and need
>volunteers to help with the following:
>
>� A marketing team to focus on getting the word out
>
>� Advertizing
>
>� Rebranding effort to educate the public about what we do
>
>� Highlight our success and advocacy projects we are involved
>in
>
>� Recruiting effort and new membership
>
>� Marketing to the land managers to inform them about who we
>are what we do
>
>In closing, this name change is not intended to disrespect the work of
>people before us. Instead, we would be building upon what they started.
>The new name would aid us in achieving our goals of promoting our sport
>and protecting / preserving the trails we love. The new name is a new
>marketing tool that better reflects the organization that we have
>become.
>
>NOTE - Please add your comments to the forum section on the Website
>
>Ted D
>
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We are creating a new subcommittee to look at
marketing, branding and membership and will be
having an initial meeting 6 p.m. at Starbucks, NW
23rd, this Sunday. Subcommittee members include
Kris Schamp, Paul Fidrych, Brice Stivers, Cedar
Kyes and Amy Singmaster. Anyone who would like to
join the sub-committee is welcome. If interested,
please RSVP by Sat. night in case we need more
space and need to move the meeting. Thanks!
Amy


At 4:32 PM +0000 2/25/09, terry.h@... wrote:
>It was never "Portland Urban Mountain Bike
>Club".  It is, and should stay Portland United
>Mountain Pedalers!  There's a strong history, a
>good history with the name PUMP.  C'mon, we're
>NOT a "trail alliance", whatever that is.  We're
>a mountain bike club.  Someone on the PUMP forum
>is suggestiing a name that is "not mountain bike
>specific"! WTF?  We don't need to try and fool
>people.  We ARE mountain bike specific!  That's
>the point.  Mountain bike specific means we
>ride, we advocate and we do workparties, among
>other things.  There's nothing wro ng with that.
>Let it stay PUMP and concentrate the marketing
>efforts on getting the word out about an
>organization that is proud of its history as a
>MOUNTAIN BIKE club instead of trying to act like
>somthing we're not!
>
>Happy trails,
>
>-Terry
>
>PUMP member since 1986
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Ted" <<mailto:tdodd2000%40comcast.net>tdodd2000@...>
>To: <mailto:pumpclub%40yahoogroups.com>pumpclub@yahoogroups.com
>Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 7:05:30 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
>Subject: [pumpclub] NEW name for PUMP - NW Trail Alliance (NW TA)
>
>A name change for PUMP can be good for several reasons.
>
>After talking with several members and non-members over the last couple
>months, I have come to the conclusion that PUMP needs a name change.
>
>Why a name change?
>
>� To reflect the what PUMP is and what it is becoming
>
>� PUMP is no longer just a Portland Urban Mountain Bike club.
>PUMP has become a regional organization
>
>� Our range of travel, advocacy, and adventure spans greater
>distances, and thus our name should do the same.
>
>I propose the NEW name be NW Trail Alliance (NW TA). This name takes
>from the success of COTA (Central Oregon Trail Alliance). This name
>reflects that fact the we ride (& work on) trails in the NW area of
>Oregon and Washington. From the Tillamook Forest, to Mt. St.Helens, to
>the Gorge, to Mt. Hood, and so on.
>
>To insure a successful name change we will need a plan and need
>volunteers to help with the following:
>
>� A marketing team to focus on getting the word out
>
>� Advertizing
>
>� Rebranding effort to educate the public about what we do
>
>� Highlight our success and advocacy projects we are involved
>in
>
>� Recruiting effort and new membership
>
>� Marketing to the land managers to inform them about who we
>are what we do
>
>In closing, this name change is not intended to disrespect the work of
>people before us. Instead, we would be building upon what they started.
>The new name would aid us in achieving our goals of promoting our sport
>and protecting / preserving the trails we love. The new name is a new
>marketing tool that better reflects the organization that we have
>become.
>
>NOTE - Please add your comments to the forum section on the Website
>
>Ted D
>
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The treasurer's report is posted on the PUMP website. Look under
Resources in the lower right hand column. You have to log in to view
the reports.

Respectfully submitted,

Amy Singmaster
Treasurer

It sounds like the name change idea has already had the kabosh put on it, but
I'm going to express my opinion anyway.
�
I don't open many items on the PUMP listserve, but this one peaked my interest
and raised my�concern when I read it. The proposed name change�is not only
elitist, but it lacks creativity and is too general. Having been a member of
PUMP and being a current member of COTA, I can say the�areas you are trying to
compare are very different.�I agree that�COTA�does a fabulous job of proposing,
building, and maintaining trails in C.O. Please note however, besides a freeride
group that works closely with COTA,�COTA is�the only mountain biking group in
C.O. that I and other members know of.�To change the name PUMP to the NW Trail
Alliance, you are claiming a very large area of territory�and�attempting to
overshadow the other wonderful mountain biking groups that also maintain and
ride trails in OR and WA.�These groups include the Disciples�of Dirt, Merry
Cranksters, and Central Oregon Trail Alliance.�Correct�me if I am wrong, but I
haven't�heard
  of�many PUMP�members at a trail work party in Eugene nor have I seen
one�helping out in Bend. That's not a criticism,�it's simply what happens.�The
beauty of it is, we are�all passionate about mountain biking�which results
in�awesome�singletrack everyone gets�to enjoy! Let's�make sure we�give
one�another credit though.���
�
So in conclusion, the next time someone is motivated to�propose a name change
for PUMP please think about the image you�want to convey. There are many great
pioneers and advocates�of the sport we all love, they are not all located in
Portland though.
�
Or, as Terry so eloquently stated,�"Keep the name PUMP."
Angela�

--- On Wed, 2/25/09, Ted <tdodd2000@...> wrote:

From: Ted <tdodd2000@...>
Subject: [pumpclub] NEW name for PUMP - NW Trail Alliance (NW TA)
To: pumpclub@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, February 25, 2009, 7:05 AM







A name change for PUMP can be good for several reasons.

After talking with several members and non-members over the last couple
months, I have come to the conclusion that PUMP needs a name change.

Why a name change?

� To reflect the what PUMP is and what it is becoming

� PUMP is no longer just a Portland Urban Mountain Bike club.
PUMP has become a regional organization

� Our range of travel, advocacy, and adventure spans greater
distances, and thus our name should do the same.

I propose the NEW name be NW Trail Alliance (NW TA). This name takes
from the success of COTA (Central Oregon Trail Alliance). This name
reflects that fact the we ride (& work on) trails in the NW area of
Oregon and Washington. From the Tillamook Forest, to Mt. St.Helens, to
the Gorge, to Mt. Hood, and so on.

To insure a successful name change we will need a plan and need
volunteers to help with the following:

� A marketing team to focus on getting the word out

� Advertizing

� Rebranding effort to educate the public about what we do

� Highlight our success and advocacy projects we are involved
in

� Recruiting effort and new membership

� Marketing to the land managers to inform them about who we
are what we do

In closing, this name change is not intended to disrespect the work of
people before us. Instead, we would be building upon what they started.
The new name would aid us in achieving our goals of promoting our sport
and protecting / preserving the trails we love. The new name is a new
marketing tool that better reflects the organization that we have
become.

NOTE - Please add your comments to the forum section on the Website

Ted D

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Much of Sauvie Island is a State  Wildlife Management Area...
Much of the island is closed to all use during the winter months when there
are a lot of waterfowl using the island.  But during the summer months I
don't believe there are such closures.

Dave



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