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Re: A new plan for MTB access in Forest Park

Dave, you have some good points. Tom, thanks for the update.

In my perception, the recent rumblings regarding Forest Park are
caused by either no or misinformation. The work that PUMP is doing
behind the scenes is not being conveyed to or not reaching the
cycling community. People outside of PUMP are making their own
assumption about what is or is not happening behind the scenes. I
have to admit, I didn't know much about what was happening either and
I think I have stayed up to date as much as possible on the issues.
In addition to marketing I think the information conveyed at the
meetings regarding trail issues should be published to the PUMP
website and the important information (like Forest Park, Mt. St,
Helens, etc.) released to other sources like bikeportland, MTBR.com,
WTF, the Oregonian, etc. I think the lack of information leads some
to think that PUMP is not accomplishing its goals or is ineffective.

Dave, I think you are correct about re-branding. At the club care
meeting the point of my beer buzzed ramble was that I think we need
more diversity in the club. The most active members generally are
singles with some extra time on their hands and the predominant
riding style is XC. Most of the rides are scheduled for all day
adventures starting mid to late morning and lasting the whole day.
Many of us with family obligations can't afford to ride that kind of
schedule very frequently.

I will volunteer to organize some early rides next summer with the
goal of being done by lunch time. That way you have the afternoon at
home to spend with family or take care of household issues.

We have a great core group of people that run the club but I think we
need a more diverse group of people to lead other diverse activities
such as early rides, DH rides, urban riding, fun rides, etc. There
is a huge opportunity to pull people in, just look at the success of
the Cross Crusade. But, maybe their success is based on the local
venues and the popularity of the CX sport.

I don't know the history of the PUMP club with others in the
community but I hope it could be repairable. I have ridden with
others that I have meet on MTBR.com and all seem to be adverse to
joining or riding on PUMP outings. I have never really been able to
get a clear understand why they have their opinions.

Fred


--- In pumpclub@yahoogroups.com, ujelang@... wrote:
>
> Thanks Tom.
> A few observations from me.
> With under 200 members it is hard for a small club to be effective
at what
> we want to try and accomplish - which is a lot. We have several
important
> issues that are critical to mountain bikers which we are trying to
stay on top
> of. They include Forest Park, Mount Hood Wilderness proposal,
and Mount St
> Helens administrative bureau. The active members in the club,
which is
> significantly less than the total number of members, can't handle
all of the issues
> that come up. We need to have more members to be able to be a
more
> effective club.
> We are trying to increase our membership base, but if people don't
want to
> join for whatever reason then we'll have a hard time in growing.
And, if
> people refuse to join because they think the club is ineffective
then they run
> the risk of contributing to a Catch 22 situation. If they don't
join and
> encourage others to join then we won't grow. If we don't grow we
can't be more
> effective.
> Unfortunately it seems PUMP has a bit of a negative reputation.
You and I
> both know that we now have a different mind set on the Board - at
least I
> think we do. I've only been a member of PUMP for a few short
years. I've only
> heard anecdotally what might have contributed to our negative
reputation.
> From the unfortunate negative comments, that I've read, I think it
might be
> time to re-brand PUMP. I've mentioned that to the Board Members
and I hope
> that will be a topic of conversation at our next Board meeting in
January.
> I'm not 100% convinced re-branding will solve our image issues.
But it is
> something we need to consider.
>
> David Anderson
>
>
>
> There is a big effort on the current Board to have a more
transparent
> operation in club matters. Minutes to the Board meetings will be
posted on the
> club's website. The Board meeting dates will also be posted on
the calendar and
> the meetings will be open to the membership.
>
>
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>





Tue Dec 23, 2008 5:31 pm

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To all PUMP members, This is a response to Dave Andersonıs latest post and other recent comments on this forum. First off, rather than dwell on the past and...
Tom Archer
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Dec 24, 2008
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Dave, you have some good points. Tom, thanks for the update. In my perception, the recent rumblings regarding Forest Park are caused by either no or...
Fred
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Jan 9, 2009
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I agree with Fred on how the rides are organized. I am looking forward to pitching in with some ideas when the weather gets a little nicer. Maybe some road...
Kevin
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Jan 9, 2009
8:56 pm

Just a quick note on the perception that PUMP hasn't been involved, or has had limited involvement, in Forest Park. That is a false perception, and perhaps the...
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Dec 26, 2008
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Thanks Mark, ... From: pumpclub@yahoogroups.com [mailto:pumpclub@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of markflint@... Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2008 4:45 PM...
Tom Leap/Heather Lee
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Dec 26, 2008
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Well said Mark, you make good sense. I was a little discouraged to see some of the recent posts but I know very well that PUMP has always been involved with...
T e r r y
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Dec 26, 2008
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Hi All, Hope everyone had a great holiday. Iım ready for the thaw! Iıd like to respond to a couple of recent posts regarding PUMPıs involvement in FP...
Tom Archer
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Dec 26, 2008
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I am one of those who have not had a positive experience with PUMP. I am not here to bash the club and I absolutely acknowledge all that it has and is doing...
Will Heiberg
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Dec 26, 2008
8:04 pm

I've never heard of PDX-MTB, but I have heard of PUMP. I'm not for or against the "Rebranding" of pump but I would like to hear from some old and new members...
Aaron Althauser
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Dec 27, 2008
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Boy, it's been awhile since I've caught up with many PUMPsters. I'm not much of a fan of "me too!" e-mails, and many people might be bored/frustrated with the...
accessfundgal
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Dec 29, 2008
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To make a bried comment in regards to Tom's observations. We have 200 paying members. We have about 20 or 30 members who go to the meetings. Of those how...
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Dec 27, 2008
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Apologies to Will as I had also noticed communication problems within the club when I first joined.. I believe this was a structural fault. The new board and...
Amy Singmaster
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Dec 27, 2008
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In response to Amy's question: I was involved heavily in working with Friends of FP and Stephen Hatfield to explore new ways to open FP up to singletrack...
Paul
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Dec 27, 2008
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Hmmm. Tom said you were the PUMP backup person for the FPC committee. We'll have to wait for everyone to get back from the holidays and figure out what...
Amy Singmaster
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Dec 27, 2008
10:28 pm

Paul, it was decided by vote of the Board Members that Shanti was the person qualified to represent PUMP, due to her involvement with the club, participating...
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Jan 5, 2009
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Roger: I think this is a perfect example of the great value PUMP has! But not enough people know about this kind of effort. I think the PUMP website is great,...
Lee Duncan
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Jan 5, 2009
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You stated "I was a member for a over a year". This list is for current PUMP members! Maybe you can be an agent of change by becoming a member of PUMP and...
T e r r y
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Dec 27, 2008
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I appreciated the input from Will and think that he should still have access to post. Also think that having him back as a current member would be good too. ...
Dennis Veatch
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Dec 27, 2008
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Hey Dennis, Thanks, I plan to come to the PUMP meeting in January and look forward to supporting mtb advocacy and the Portland mtb community whether it be as...
Will Heiberg
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Dec 27, 2008
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"which led to me not paying dues.".............. the listserve is for dues paying members...............pay up or logoff. Maybe there is a way to get a fresh...
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I think that's kind of elitist. I think if you give folks value, then they will want to pay. Value, for example, can be advocacy, it can be social stuff, it...
Lee Duncan
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Jan 5, 2009
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Eric, Come on buddy… There is enough negative people in the world. Don’t subscribe to the low level thinking of being a “complainer.” I know that you...
Ted Dodd
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Jan 5, 2009
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I think there is a bigger issue that is being missed here. Instead of labeling someone who has had a bad experience with PUMP as a negative person or as a...
Will Heiberg
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Jan 5, 2009
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Will, Thanks for your comments. I apologize for labeling Eric R negative or as a complainer. My bad... It is my personal goal to help people understand that...
Ted Dodd
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Jan 6, 2009
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Ted, excellent points, and one SMALL step that current members can do to make others feel 'connected' is a simple gesture: whether it's a ride, a meeting,...
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Excellent points, Roger. I joined PUMP, tried to make a difference in a way that mattered to me, and found I could not. I would have stood up and asked the...
Eric R
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Jan 6, 2009
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Wow. Nice dialogue. I have a little time to respond because we're getting another cold snap. (Tomorrow it's supposed to bounce back to 70, so I can venture out...
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Jan 6, 2009
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... I agree. Trying to make everyone happy leads to a loss of focus. gabrielle...
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What's our mission statement? For the record, I don't think we should limit any club access to only members. The more open we are to share all of our...
dennis veatch
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Jan 6, 2009
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from our PUMP Organizational Document, which the Board did work on for 2 years, to help define job descriptions and establish a set of goals: The 7 PUMP...
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