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Re: [pumpclub] Why I quite PUMP, cont., and a suggestion

Eric,

We're working on a donation link on the website
now. You can also avoid the Paypal fees to PUMP
by sending a check to:
PUMP
818 S.W. 3rd Avenue, #228
Portland, OR 97204-2405

PUMP is a 501(c)3 and your donations are tax-deductible.


Thank you for your input. I know Susan had been
wanting a PA system for a long time. We will be
looking at ways we can improve the meeting
atmosphere.

Amy
PUMP board member


At 5:40 PM -0800 1/5/09, Eric R wrote:
>
>Excellent points, Roger.
>
>I joined PUMP, tried to make a difference in a
>way that mattered to me, and found I could not.
>I would have stood up and asked the whole group
>to shut up for a second and give the speaker a
>little respect, but... why would the group
>listen to me when the wouldn't listen to Roger &
>Susan when they were asked to do the same thing?
>What I saw, in this very limited situation
>(although it repeated a number of times), was
>the membership doing what they wanted and not
>following the requests of the board members.
>That did not make a good impression on a new
>member! I am not good in social situations where
>I don't know many people. These days I just ride
>with folks I know, some of them PUMP members. I
>donate hundreds of dollars each year to advocacy
>groups that I like, some of which advocate for
>bicycles; the BTA, Gifford Pinchot Task Force
>(GPTA), the Japanese Garden, and a couple of
>thrid world medical advocacy groups. I could
>donate to PUMP, too, without being a member,
>although I haven't thought about that until now.
>I do surely benefit from the work that PUMP does.
>
>Does PUMP do a fund drive or otherwise try to
>solicit non-membership contributions? I'm set up
>with the GPTA and the medical groups to do a
>monthly donation by credit card. They also send
>a year end statement for tax purposes. Does PUMP
>offer such an easy way for someone to make
>donations?
>
>Eric
>
>
>
>To: pumpclub@...:
>roger.louton@...: Mon, 5 Jan 2009
>17:22:52 -0800Subject: RE: [pumpclub] Re: A new
>plan for MTB access in Forest Park
>
>
>
>Ted, excellent points, and one SMALL step that
>current members can do to make others feel
>'connected' is a simple gesture: whether it's a
>ride, a meeting, trail event, do what I do: if I
>see someone I do not know, or is kinda hangin'
>around the fringes of the group, seek them out,
>introduce yourself and ask questions about them.
>Some people are better at meeting others at
>social situations, other are scared witless. Who
>knows, at best you made a friend, at the least
>you made someone's day by making them feel
>comfortable and noticed. tdodd2000@...
>Sent by: pumpclub@yahoogroups.com 01/05/2009
>05:15 PM Please respond to
>pumpclub@yahoogroups.com To
>pumpclub@yahoogroups.com cc Subject RE:
>[pumpclub] Re: A new plan for MTB access in
>Forest Park Will, Thanks for your comments. I
>apologize for labeling Eric R negative or as a
>complainer. My bad... It is my personal goal to
>help people understand that they CAN have a
>positive impact should they choose to. Being
>that Eric R is still reading the PUMP list serve
>(and maybe the PUMP website), shows me that he
>is still interested. With that said, I am sure
>that PUMP would welcome him back if he want to
>help the club grow and become better. The
>following comment is not related to Eric R ~ An
>important reason that people join a club is to
>connect with other "like minded" people and to
>have fun! When a person states that they are not
>"feeling connected," its an indication that the
>person needs help engaging (i.e. becoming
>involved) with the group. I see the same thing
>happen in my church. When people come as a
>spectator, they typically do not feel
>"connected." Through the process of becoming an
>ACTIVE participant in the group (or church), the
>individual has the opportunity to meet (&
>engage) with other members. With PUMP, there are
>multiple opportunities for people to "find their
>place" in the group. Depending on the person
>(time, interest, and talents), they can find
>things they can help with such as social events,
>group rides, trail work, advocacy, and so on.
>Plus, the person has the opportunity to part of
>the larger group, or be active in a small
>subgroup. As stated before, "PUMP is more than a
>social club." PUMP affords multiple
>opportunities for people to become connected
>with other "like minded" people. As with most
>things in life, "you get out of it, what you put
>into it." I hope this helps Ted D -----Original
>Message----- From: pumpclub@yahoogroups.com
>[mailto:pumpclub@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
>Will Heiberg Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 3:59
>PM To: pumpclub@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE:
>[pumpclub] Re: A new plan for MTB access in
>Forest Park I think there is a bigger issue that
>is being missed here. Instead of labeling
>someone who has had a bad experience with PUMP
>as a negative person or as a complainer, this
>should be an opportunity to find out what
>happened and see what can be done to bring that
>person back on board. I agree, dues are not for
>services, but there is a social aspect to a club
>that is equal to if not more important to the
>volunteering aspect volunteering side. I'm not
>saying that advocacy and volunteers are not
>needed and should not be the core of what the
>club is all about, but we all know that there is
>a small group in any organization that does most
>of the work. You get the numbers up, and even if
>your percentage of volunteers remains the same,
>you will still get more volunteers. There are
>other clubs available, other places to
>volunteer, other organizations that people can
>pay dues or donate to. I think what is getting
>lost here is why PUMP should be that
>organization? What needs to be done to bring
>membership numbers up? What is required to get
>more people volunteering? Subscribing to the the
>thought that an organization can't be all things
>to all people makes it very difficult to grow.
>Striving to find out how it CAN be all things to
>all people is the recipe for success. I'm not
>saying this is the attitude of PUMP, but I've
>seen that bounced around a few times and felt it
>should be addressed. Respectfully, Will > To:
>pumpclub@yahoogroups.com > From:
>tdodd2000@... > Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009
>15:19:47 -0800 > Subject: RE: [pumpclub] Re: A
>new plan for MTB access in Forest Park > >
>Eric, > > Come on buddy… There is enough
>negative people in the world. Don’t > subscribe
>to the low level thinking of being a
>“complainer.” I know that > you are better than
>that. If something is not working, take action
>and help > fix it. Get involved.
>Volunteer > > > > When you pay your dues to
>PUMP, you are NOT paying for a service.
>Instead, > you are making a contribution that
>helps the group fund its activities and >
>operational expenses. When you joined PUMP, you
>joined a group of people > that have similar
>interests and have a passion for mtn biking.
>When we > combine our individual volunteer
>efforts within the structure of a club like >
>PUMP, we have the power to make advances toward
>large goals & objectives. > Being active in the
>club gives you the opportunity to have a say in
>what > these goals and objectives are. > > > >
>Even if I don’t agree with everyone and
>everything that PUMP does, I am > still proud of
>the volunteers. > > It is the volunteers, that
>donate their time and energy that can makes >
>things happen. > > > > The door is always open
>for people that want to be part of the
>solution. > Volunteer and help make things
>better. > > > > See you at the next
>meeting! > > > > Ted D > > > Subject > RE:
>[pumpclub] Re: A new plan for MTB access in
>Forest Park > > Perhaps something could be done
>to make PUMP more attractive to more > mountain
>bikers? I don't have any specific suggestions,
>but I know why I > stopped going to meetings,
>which led to me not paying dues. Perhaps PUMP >
>just can't be everything to every mountain
>biker. And there's absolutely > nothing wrong
>with that! > > Eric > > > > > No virus found in
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Eric, We're working on a donation link on the website now. You can also avoid the Paypal fees to PUMP by sending a check to: PUMP 818 S.W. 3rd Avenue, #228 ...
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To be clear, there is more than one Eric on this listserv. --iamerichearmeroar ... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]...
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No there is not! It just ME ME ME! ;-) Hi, Eric. -TheOtherEric To: pumpclub@...: ewascent@...: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 16:01:39 -0800Subject:...
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Hey Ted, Do tell, what part of my original email do you consider to be negative? I read it a few times, and just can't see it. I think that no mountain biking...
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I simply cannot stand by and let these types of comments go unchallenged. If it is not entirely obvious, these are the types of comments and attitudes that...
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In the spirit of talking PUMP, then I would like to share that my life has only benefited from even my limited involvement in the club. Done a few work...
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