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Re: [pumpclub] Re: A new plan for MTB access in Forest Park

To make a bried comment in regards to Tom's observations.
We have 200 paying members. We have about 20 or 30 members who go to the
meetings. Of those how many are active? Fewer yet. So, is it a surprise that
mountain bikers are not being adequately represented? We depend on too few
volunteers to get the jobs done.

I joined PUMP a few years ago to meet people and to have some fun. Last
year I dedcided to step up to the plate and be more active because I didn't
think my favorite area, Mount St Helens, was being receiving the publicity it
needed - I'm NOT saying Jerry, Andrea, haven't been doing an awesome job in
taking care of trails up there. I wanted to get more publicity generated. So,
I
ran for the Board in November and have tried to channel information the best
I can. I've also been more active in coordinating work parties on the Smith
Creek trail - which really wasn't useable by any user. It's now in the best
condition it's been in since it was built.

Another point I want to make is that there is a subgroup of mountain bikers
who started knocking PUMP because the features at Scappoose were being taken
out by PUMP members. PUMP was blamed for their removal by some riders who
used those features. Those 'features' were put in without permission, and had
to be taken out in order to preserve our use of the trails that had been put
in with permission of the landowner. So, who was a fault here? Please don't
respond to that question. All I know is that I am thankful to the landowner
for allowing us to use their property to ride on some trails.

At some point in time in the future, I can hear someone complain that PUMP
was responsible for the loss of riding on trails around my favorite mountain.
And, you know what? My statement to them will be: where were you when we
needed you?

I want to see a group that has thousands of active members, I want to see a
large Board of Directors, I want to see committees with multiple members who
can adequately respond to issues as they arise. I want to see work parties
having to turn away volunteers. I want to see multiple scheduled rides each
weekend for different skill levels and riding interests. What's the best way
to get there?

So, where are you?

Dave


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To all PUMP members, This is a response to Dave Andersonıs latest post and other recent comments on this forum. First off, rather than dwell on the past and...
Tom Archer
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Dec 24, 2008
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Dave, you have some good points. Tom, thanks for the update. In my perception, the recent rumblings regarding Forest Park are caused by either no or...
Fred
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Jan 9, 2009
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I agree with Fred on how the rides are organized. I am looking forward to pitching in with some ideas when the weather gets a little nicer. Maybe some road...
Kevin
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Jan 9, 2009
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Just a quick note on the perception that PUMP hasn't been involved, or has had limited involvement, in Forest Park. That is a false perception, and perhaps the...
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Dec 26, 2008
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Thanks Mark, ... From: pumpclub@yahoogroups.com [mailto:pumpclub@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of markflint@... Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2008 4:45 PM...
Tom Leap/Heather Lee
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Dec 26, 2008
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Well said Mark, you make good sense. I was a little discouraged to see some of the recent posts but I know very well that PUMP has always been involved with...
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Dec 26, 2008
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Hi All, Hope everyone had a great holiday. Iım ready for the thaw! Iıd like to respond to a couple of recent posts regarding PUMPıs involvement in FP...
Tom Archer
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Dec 26, 2008
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I am one of those who have not had a positive experience with PUMP. I am not here to bash the club and I absolutely acknowledge all that it has and is doing...
Will Heiberg
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Dec 26, 2008
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I've never heard of PDX-MTB, but I have heard of PUMP. I'm not for or against the "Rebranding" of pump but I would like to hear from some old and new members...
Aaron Althauser
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Dec 27, 2008
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Boy, it's been awhile since I've caught up with many PUMPsters. I'm not much of a fan of "me too!" e-mails, and many people might be bored/frustrated with the...
accessfundgal
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Dec 29, 2008
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To make a bried comment in regards to Tom's observations. We have 200 paying members. We have about 20 or 30 members who go to the meetings. Of those how...
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Dec 27, 2008
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Apologies to Will as I had also noticed communication problems within the club when I first joined.. I believe this was a structural fault. The new board and...
Amy Singmaster
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Dec 27, 2008
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In response to Amy's question: I was involved heavily in working with Friends of FP and Stephen Hatfield to explore new ways to open FP up to singletrack...
Paul
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Dec 27, 2008
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Hmmm. Tom said you were the PUMP backup person for the FPC committee. We'll have to wait for everyone to get back from the holidays and figure out what...
Amy Singmaster
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Dec 27, 2008
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Paul, it was decided by vote of the Board Members that Shanti was the person qualified to represent PUMP, due to her involvement with the club, participating...
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Jan 5, 2009
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Roger: I think this is a perfect example of the great value PUMP has! But not enough people know about this kind of effort. I think the PUMP website is great,...
Lee Duncan
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Jan 5, 2009
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You stated "I was a member for a over a year". This list is for current PUMP members! Maybe you can be an agent of change by becoming a member of PUMP and...
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Dec 27, 2008
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I appreciated the input from Will and think that he should still have access to post. Also think that having him back as a current member would be good too. ...
Dennis Veatch
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Dec 27, 2008
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Hey Dennis, Thanks, I plan to come to the PUMP meeting in January and look forward to supporting mtb advocacy and the Portland mtb community whether it be as...
Will Heiberg
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Dec 27, 2008
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"which led to me not paying dues.".............. the listserve is for dues paying members...............pay up or logoff. Maybe there is a way to get a fresh...
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I think that's kind of elitist. I think if you give folks value, then they will want to pay. Value, for example, can be advocacy, it can be social stuff, it...
Lee Duncan
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Jan 5, 2009
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Eric, Come on buddy… There is enough negative people in the world. Don’t subscribe to the low level thinking of being a “complainer.” I know that you...
Ted Dodd
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Jan 5, 2009
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I think there is a bigger issue that is being missed here. Instead of labeling someone who has had a bad experience with PUMP as a negative person or as a...
Will Heiberg
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Jan 5, 2009
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Will, Thanks for your comments. I apologize for labeling Eric R negative or as a complainer. My bad... It is my personal goal to help people understand that...
Ted Dodd
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Jan 6, 2009
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Ted, excellent points, and one SMALL step that current members can do to make others feel 'connected' is a simple gesture: whether it's a ride, a meeting,...
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Excellent points, Roger. I joined PUMP, tried to make a difference in a way that mattered to me, and found I could not. I would have stood up and asked the...
Eric R
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Jan 6, 2009
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Wow. Nice dialogue. I have a little time to respond because we're getting another cold snap. (Tomorrow it's supposed to bounce back to 70, so I can venture out...
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Jan 6, 2009
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... I agree. Trying to make everyone happy leads to a loss of focus. gabrielle...
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What's our mission statement? For the record, I don't think we should limit any club access to only members. The more open we are to share all of our...
dennis veatch
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Jan 6, 2009
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from our PUMP Organizational Document, which the Board did work on for 2 years, to help define job descriptions and establish a set of goals: The 7 PUMP...
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