My wife keeps telling me this too.

To: pumpclub@...: ewascent@...: Fri, 5 Dec 2008
12:45:35 -0800Subject: Re: [pumpclub] possible massive group ride in FP



You mean you and me?On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 3:18 PM, Aaron Althauser
<AaronAlthauser@...>wrote:>> My first thought when I saw this was critical
mass. There always seems to> be a few a-holes in those rides.>> To:
pumpclub@... <pumpclub%40yahoogroups.comFrom>:>
shane.gould@... <shane.gould%40daimler.comDate>: Thu, 4 Dec> 2008
11:59:55 -0800Subject: Re: [pumpclub] possible massive group ride in FP>> Doing
any sort of ride like this without parks permission will only invite>
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FPRoger,Thanks for the background> before we go forward.JordanOn Thu, Dec 4,
2008 at 11:49 AM, <> roger.louton@... <roger.louton%40daimler.com>>
wrote:> Does anyone> know who 'Free Agent' is before I contact him? There are>
rules> within the>> Parks Dept. for organized events in Public Parks, and the
main rule that>> concerns bicycle> events in a PDX Park is: "Only Permits
allowed for Bicycle> Related Events> are for Paved Surfaces.". How do I know
this?> In March of> 2005, I attempted to add a 'Forest Park Loop' for the
Bridge> Pedal, working> with> Ric Bauman the guy who owns that event. We even
had the support of> Fred> Nilsen, the Forest Park Manager at the time,> but the
Parks Dept came> back with that rule.>> Before this ride gets some traction,
let's make sure> we don't create> enemies with Parks, FP Neighborhood
Associations> and the> Forest Park Conservancy.>> I applaud the idea, but it
needs to be done> right.>> This article will explain how the city views events
in the>> park..........which is interesting, because they STILL allow> the 'Run
For> The Wildwood', which violates these rules:>>
----------------------------------------------------> Forest Park goes with>
scaled-down approach>> Thursday, April 06, 2006> Fred Leeson>> When members> and
friends of the Oregon Road Runners Club scampered the> entire length of> Forest
Park late last month -- some of them twice -- it> marked the last> large-scale
event in the sprawling park's north end.>> The Bureau of Parks &> Recreation has
eliminated big events in so-called> North Management Unit,> considered the most
sensitive habitat for wild> plants and animals. Further,> the new policy would
prefer that informal> group runs or walks that involve> more than 20
participants stay out, too,> between Northwest Germantown and> Newberry roads.
"Protecting natural> resources and wildlife habitat is of> utmost importance in
this management> unit," the policy states.>> The City> Council endorsed the
restriction more than a decade ago in a> Forest Park> management plan, but it
never was implemented.>> Jim Sjulin, a Parks Bureau> nature zone manager, says
the new policy stems> from increased human use in> the past decade and lobbying
from the Friends> of Forest Park.>> "The> Friends has been asking us for a
couple years to look at our event>> policies, and to make the policies
consistent with the management plan,"> he> says.>> The new policy also restricts
events to a maximum of 100 people and> only> in May through October in the
Central unit, between Firelane No. 1> and> Northwest Germantown Road. In the
South unit closest to the city,> between> West Burnside and Firelane No. 1, it
limits participants to 500>> year-around.>> Gail Snyder, director of the
Friends, has seen "an explosion"> of racing> and other events since the 1995
plan. "I think it's a positive> step," she> says. "It does help protect the
north end.">> Snyder, who also> is an ultramarathoner, notes that the new policy
does not> restrict> individuals from training or from riding horses in the
North> Unit. But she> notes that the most remote area should be reserved mostly>
for passive use> such as hiking and bird watching.>> "We're trying to maintain
the North Unit> as a natural area park, and not> have it perceived as an arena
for events,"> Snyder says. "We have plenty of> other places for events.">>
Snyder counts> at least 20 kinds of group activities that occur in Forest> Park.
Some, like> geocaching, were unheard of when the City Council adopted> the park>
management plan. Geocachers use global positioning devices to> search for>
hidden items. Sjulin says people leaving trails do the worst> damage in>
sensitive habitats such as the North Unit.>> Monika Gold, race director for> the
final "March Mudness" road run, says> she accepts the rule.>> "You want> the
public to utilize this treasure," she says of Forest Park,> "but at the> same
time you don't want to trample all the plants. If you> take out a> single
trillium, it can take years to come back.">> Fred Leeson:> 503-294-5946;
fredleeson@...<fredleeson%40news.oregonian.com>>
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FP>> see here...>> http://forums.mtbr.com/showthread.php?t=470789>> and> then
here...>> http://forums.mtbr.com/showthread.php?t=473762>> I think> that this
potentially could be positive if done right...what do> ya'll> think?>> ~matt>>
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