I am 100% for the idea of the massive group ride. It brings attention to the
need for more bike access on Forest Park Trails. If the event is big enough
and planned well enough it will be news worthy. This is a lot better way of
getting the cities attention than the current approach of people poaching
trails. We need to act now, before the illegal actions of a few sets us
back.



With a clear vision and leadership this can be a successful event.



The question is who is leading this thing? Will the leader(s) please stand
up.



Ted D







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Joe is right, doing the same thing incorrectly over and over will never
make it happen,
BUT I must note that I personally have received, over the last 5+ years,
15 to 20
emails from various people saying the same thing: "I want to help with
doing something
to build more singletrack, volunteer with talking to Parks/City folks,
plan trails, etc.",
but out of all those contacts I bet 2 or 3 ever showed up when we had a
PUMP meeting or
Forest Park specific meeting they were invited to join in on. Lots of
talk, no action, just poaching.

So we must work on a way to do things differently, BUT everyone must
realize that Parks
Dept. is very leery in anyway of changing anything access-wsie that is not
specifically written in the
1995 Forest Park plan. A bunch of people just jumping up and down, crying
about it
won't make any impression with the people that make the decisions.

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Personally, I think the fact that this person is talking about doing this
demonstration ride purely because "it seems there's nothing happening" to
allow mountain biking to expand in FP. Poster even went so far as to say
the Forest Park section of pumpclub.org hadn't been updated "since 1986"
(obviously being sarcastic but the point was made).

I think this underscores one important fact more than anything... There is
a
lack of local mountain biking advocacy communication happening. People
aren't sure how to get involved, what the important topics/projects are,
and
there's serious lack of unified voice. Just saying... this is one of
those cases that points to a larger issue which has a solution if certain
steps are taken instead of attempting to continuing doing what doesn't
work.

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> Then PUMP or IMBA should not have there name attached to it. It is a
> great way to destroy any relationships that have been built.
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> Shane
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