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RE: [pumpclub] possible massive group ride in FP


My first thought when I saw this was critical mass. There always seems to be a
few a-holes in those rides.

To: pumpclub@...: shane.gould@...: Thu, 4 Dec 2008
11:59:55 -0800Subject: Re: [pumpclub] possible massive group ride in FP



Doing any sort of ride like this without parks permission will only invite
trouble.Shanejordan.norris1@... Sent by:
pumpclub@.../04/2008 11:54 AMPlease respond
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possible massive group ride in FPRoger,Thanks for the background before we go
forward.JordanOn Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 11:49 AM, <roger.louton@...>
wrote:> Does anyone know who 'Free Agent' is before I contact him? There are>
rules> within the> Parks Dept. for organized events in Public Parks, and the
main rule that> concerns bicycle> events in a PDX Park is: "Only Permits allowed
for Bicycle Related Events> are for Paved Surfaces.". How do I know this?> In
March of 2005, I attempted to add a 'Forest Park Loop' for the Bridge> Pedal,
working with> Ric Bauman the guy who owns that event. We even had the support of
Fred> Nilsen, the Forest Park Manager at the time,> but the Parks Dept came back
with that rule.>> Before this ride gets some traction, let's make sure we don't
create> enemies with Parks, FP Neighborhood Associations> and the Forest Park
Conservancy.>> I applaud the idea, but it needs to be done right.>> This article
will explain how the city views events in the> park..........which is
interesting, because they STILL allow> the 'Run For The Wildwood', which
violates these rules:> ---------------------------------------------------->
Forest Park goes with scaled-down approach>> Thursday, April 06, 2006> Fred
Leeson>> When members and friends of the Oregon Road Runners Club scampered the>
entire length of Forest Park late last month -- some of them twice -- it> marked
the last large-scale event in the sprawling park's north end.>> The Bureau of
Parks & Recreation has eliminated big events in so-called> North Management
Unit, considered the most sensitive habitat for wild> plants and animals.
Further, the new policy would prefer that informal> group runs or walks that
involve more than 20 participants stay out, too,> between Northwest Germantown
and Newberry roads. "Protecting natural> resources and wildlife habitat is of
utmost importance in this management> unit," the policy states.>> The City
Council endorsed the restriction more than a decade ago in a> Forest Park
management plan, but it never was implemented.>> Jim Sjulin, a Parks Bureau
nature zone manager, says the new policy stems> from increased human use in the
past decade and lobbying from the Friends> of Forest Park.>> "The Friends has
been asking us for a couple years to look at our event> policies, and to make
the policies consistent with the management plan,"> he says.>> The new policy
also restricts events to a maximum of 100 people and only> in May through
October in the Central unit, between Firelane No. 1 and> Northwest Germantown
Road. In the South unit closest to the city, between> West Burnside and Firelane
No. 1, it limits participants to 500> year-around.>> Gail Snyder, director of
the Friends, has seen "an explosion" of racing> and other events since the 1995
plan. "I think it's a positive step," she> says. "It does help protect the north
end.">> Snyder, who also is an ultramarathoner, notes that the new policy does
not> restrict individuals from training or from riding horses in the North>
Unit. But she notes that the most remote area should be reserved mostly> for
passive use such as hiking and bird watching.>> "We're trying to maintain the
North Unit as a natural area park, and not> have it perceived as an arena for
events," Snyder says. "We have plenty of> other places for events.">> Snyder
counts at least 20 kinds of group activities that occur in Forest> Park. Some,
like geocaching, were unheard of when the City Council adopted> the park
management plan. Geocachers use global positioning devices to> search for hidden
items. Sjulin says people leaving trails do the worst> damage in sensitive
habitats such as the North Unit.>> Monika Gold, race director for the final
"March Mudness" road run, says> she accepts the rule.>> "You want the public to
utilize this treasure," she says of Forest Park,> "but at the same time you
don't want to trample all the plants. If you> take out a single trillium, it can
take years to come back.">> Fred Leeson: 503-294-5946;
fredleeson@...<fredleeson%40news.oregonian.com>>>
mforness3000@... <mforness3000%40hotmail.com>> Sent by:
pumpclub@yahoogroups.com <pumpclub%40yahoogroups.com>> 12/03/2008 03:43 PM>
Please respond to> pumpclub@yahoogroups.com <pumpclub%40yahoogroups.com>>> To>
pumpclub@yahoogroups.com <pumpclub%40yahoogroups.com>> cc>> Subject> [pumpclub]
possible massive group ride in FP>> see here...>>
http://forums.mtbr.com/showthread.php?t=470789>> and then here...>>
http://forums.mtbr.com/showthread.php?t=473762>> I think that this potentially
could be positive if done right...what do> ya'll think?>> ~matt>> If you are not
the intended addressee, please inform us immediately that> you have received
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see here... http://forums.mtbr.com/showthread.php?t=470789 and then here... http://forums.mtbr.com/showthread.php?t=473762 I think that this potentially could...
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I think its a great idea! I think the main obstacle to look at would be to make sure we do the ride when it is and has been fairly dry. A lot of people are...
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Does anyone know who 'Free Agent' is before I contact him? There are rules within the Parks Dept. for organized events in Public Parks, and the main rule that ...
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Roger, Thanks for the background before we go forward. Jordan ... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]...
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Doing any sort of ride like this without parks permission will only invite trouble. Shane jordan.norris1@... Sent by: pumpclub@yahoogroups.com 12/04/2008...
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I think they are doing it partly because they know they would never get permission, it's more of a protest/demonstration type thing. ... [Non-text portions of...
Brandon Reed
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Then PUMP or IMBA should not have there name attached to it. It is a great way to destroy any relationships that have been built. Shane bcr123@... Sent...
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LEE HOFFMAN
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Personally, I think the fact that this person is talking about doing this demonstration ride purely because "it seems there's nothing happening" to allow...
Joe Rykowski
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Dec 4, 2008
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Joe is right, doing the same thing incorrectly over and over will never make it happen, BUT I must note that I personally have received, over the last 5+...
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I am 100% for the idea of the massive group ride. It brings attention to the need for more bike access on Forest Park Trails. If the event is big enough and...
Ted Dodd
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Dec 5, 2008
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Everybody has good ideas both for or against. The biggest reason I am for it is due to the fact that the effort is fairly splintered. That makes it easy for...
Kevin
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Dec 5, 2008
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... What is the larger issue? And what steps need to be taken? Look at what has happened and where we're at now. We waited years just to get a small bit of...
Patrick Mansfield
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Dec 4, 2008
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Larger issue - lots of splinter groups of riders, lack of clear lines of communication, a lack of cohesive group lead by a strong organization with a clear...
Joe Rykowski
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Dec 4, 2008
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My first thought when I saw this was critical mass. There always seems to be a few a-holes in those rides. To: pumpclub@...:...
Aaron Althauser
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Dec 4, 2008
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So, this reminded me a little of prohibition years. Yes, I'm that old. So the government outlawed alcohol and up sprouted the mafia, speakeasy's, and ...
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Dec 5, 2008
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You mean you and me? ... -- iamerichearmeroar [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]...
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My wife keeps telling me this too. To: pumpclub@...: ewascent@...: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 12:45:35 -0800Subject: Re: [pumpclub] possible...
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