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#9982 From: "RandyZ. Pierce" <alaric02@...>
Date: Sun Mar 4, 2007 7:04 pm
Subject: Re: Thomas, Morris, and Kyle Brady are Patriots 		PatriotZip
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Indeed the Pats have made some impressive introductory moves in the off-season.  I honestly won't expect too much more on the grande scale at this point - at least until after the draft but I didn't expect this much so what do I kmnow!
 
Thomas - an excellent signing and a great addition to our system.  He can and likely will be the interior partner of Tedy Bruschi and will use an excellent combination of Size, speed and strength to make us strong against the run, strong against the pass and potently capable of the blitz.  All of our starting linebackers are again versatile, talented and generally very intelligent.  I really like this signing and at a very young 29 years of age he should have a bit of longevity for us as well. 
 
I still see us looking for youth options as depth and development but at a much lower priority than just a few days ago.
 
Daniel Graham is apparently closer to gone than I would have liked to hope.  Graham is of course reknowned in New England as the Best Blocking Tight End.  That may have been an inaccuracy as Brady might have earned that honor instead.  He's reasonably sure handed and definitely a blocking force.  He won't have the athleticism of Graham and certainly has less longevity but he came at likely half the price or less which helps make room for some of the other moves. 
 
Morris excited me least of the options which is no slight on his performance but just notes that he is very similar to Maroney and Faulk.  I think he exists to give Maroney breathers and sustain a high level of talent.  We aren't top notch here by any stretch but very capable.  This likely means Evans is our short yardage guy and Morris is the experience replacement for Maroney while Faulk remains the all around all purpose back with third down specialization. 
 
At wideout we already have a highly probable candidate in Wes Welker.  Very talented but not a number one receiver.  He would cost us the number sixty pick in the draft as well as a high salary (potential) for less than I'd prefer to spend.  Talented and beneficial but perhaps too costly which should become clear when the full details of the contract are released.  His return abilities will be a considerable benefit as well.
 
So we franchised Samuels (and hopefully are working on a long term deal).  We tenderred Gay and have Hobbs.  We made a major move at almost every weak point and still have a healthy draft and some salary cap room.
 
I really expect no other big names until we either sign Samuels long term, finish the draft and/or something unusual occurs with a free agent.  Despite feeling we should next expect doldrums for a bit, I'm still more than sufficiently pleased!
 
Now in the draft I'd like a top tier safety, a high end linebacker prospect and a quality Wide Receiver with number one potential.
 
That's a lot of want but it's not really a 'need' anywhere except perhaps safety.  As such I want the best fit of player to our team at the positions we can manage.  Reach for a perfect fit if you must but fill two of those in the first round and we'll be looking damn fine next year.
 
Go Pats!
Zip
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2007 12:58 PM
Subject: [patriotzip] Thomas, Morris, and Kyle Brady are Patriots

For those who missed some great additions to the team:

 

http://www.patriots.com/news/index.cfm?ac=latestnewsdetail&pid=24317&pcid=41

 

Very uncharacteristic from our team but I like it.  I expect to see more of this during free agency.  I wouldn’t be surprised to see a pair of veteran WR’s picked up as well as a LB and some defensive backfield help. 

 

Don

 

From: patriotzip@yahoogroups.com [mailto:patriotzip@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Ken Collier
Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2007 8:53 AM
To: patriotzip@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [patriotzip] Big offer for Welker...

 

I have to agree that a second round pick for another short WR is much too
much for me. Javon Walker got traded for a second and you can't even begin
to compare the talent levels there. Also, we always seem to sign a new WR
who is going to be our deep threat and return specialist, but they never pan
out.

Where is Bethel Johnson now? Tim Dwight? Andre Davis? Even throw in Chad
Jackson who dissapointed some in his first year. I would have rather seen
them go after a good all-around guy like Patrick Crayton or a big possesion
guy and TD machine in Ernest Wilford. Both also were tendered at the second
round level.

Instead we are getting a short WR, with only one good year to his name, and
someone who has no nose for the endzone. His entire career he has had 1
offensive TD.

The more I think about it, I hate this move.

But you are right Randy, I have heard that the deal is most likely loaded
with huge salaries at the end of the deal that have no intentions of being
payed (either restructure or cut him before then) to help keep the Dolphins
from being able to match.

Ken

----Original Message Follows----
From: "RandyZ. Pierce" <alaric02@sprynet.com>
Reply-To: patriotzip@yahoogroups.com
To: <patriotzip@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [patriotzip] Big offer for Welker...
Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2007 07:21:16 -0500

That's a bit more than I'd like to pay for him when
you add in the draft pick. I certainly appreciate
much taking him away from a division rival and adding
him to our talent pool but that is steep. I'd like to
see the financial break down to see if it isn't
somehow structured to give us the benefit. Frequently
contracts have a lot of 'show' in them such that the
numbers aren't as good as original reports might
indicate.

Also with the poison pill potential, the league must
sanction the offer sheet/contract and Miami will get
seven days (I believe) to determine their approach.

I do think we just picked up our fourth player in a
single day - impressive!

Go Pats!
Zip

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#9983 From: "RandyZ. Pierce" <alaric02@...>
Date: Sun Mar 4, 2007 10:50 pm
Subject: Re: #54 will be back 		PatriotZip
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It is not uncommon to note that Bruschi did not have
as good a year as is typical for him.  That's hard for
me to observe but it certainly seemed the case from
all reports.  Despite leading the team in tackles,
this is partially a feature of his position and not
necessarily a full sign of his typical performance.
His big plays were down and many are going to have
Bruschi a step slower and fading away.  I do not
believe this is the case but suspect most of you will
call me blindly optimistic.  Tedy broke his wrist in a
rather bad way in preseason.  The result of this was
an inability to use that hand for most of the season.
tedy has never been the fastest or strongest out
there.  He's more than sufficiently powerful but
heart, smarts and determination get him through.
While after games the cast was removed, he wore a cast
for every game of the season and that has  likely been
a significant part of the challenge.

We'll learn a lot about Tedy's status this year and as
much as I hope there is no sign of trouble, I'm more
than willing to acknowledge that another injury marred
season will send a serious message about his health
and potentially his future.

He's making plays and making calls to anchor the
unit - a unit that when many were taking themselves
out of the AFC Championship - desperately needed
bodies.  He was flu ravaged all week and stil had the
wrist along with who knows what else in the season of
poundings but he kept himself out there to work
through it.  The man is a warrior and his teammates
resepect him tremendously.  Thomas will be a great
benefit to him and if we can have a healthy season out
of this front seven we may see some impressive things
defensively.

So while I acknowlede there's trouble in Bruschi
Backer Paradise, I similarly acknowledge the sky
hasn't fallen by any means and I expect that his
comments yesterday indicate he's really ready and
fired up.  He didn't like losing to th eColts either
time but the work and preparation and, I believe,
force of Tedy "Full Tilt - Full Time" Bruschi will be
on display for us all again on this year's round.

Go pats!
Zip

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ghost of Patriots Past" <chiz3914@...>
To: "Kirk" <k_luedeke@...>; "da List"
<patriots@...>
Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2007 5:17 PM
Subject: Re: #54 will be back


Well,  lets hope Bruschi comes back and plays better
than he did last year.

   Steve - playing the part of Ron Borgass

patsfanlt@... wrote:
   Just what I was waiting to see!!! Great article to
today's Boston Herald,
Hungry Bruschi ready to tackle another season. There
have been reports before this article but this one has
QUOTES from #54

Big Al (wondering if this article put a smile on the
faces of Mrs B and Zip)

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#9984 From: "Don Diamant" <jeepndd@...>
Date: Mon Mar 5, 2007 2:48 am
Subject: RE: Re: #54 will be back 		jeepndd
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That is great news!  I don’t care if he didn’t quite have a Probowl caliber year we are a better team with him than without him.  I don’t believe he has lost a step and I’m sure that with a little more talent around him and a better offense taking some of the pressure off the defense along with his gimp hand healed I expect to see a return to Probowl caliber performance from Tedy.

 

Don

 

From: patriotzip@yahoogroups.com [mailto:patriotzip@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of RandyZ. Pierce
Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2007 5:51 PM
To: Ghost of Patriots Past; Kirk; da List
Cc: patriotzip@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [patriotzip] Re: #54 will be back

 

It is not uncommon to note that Bruschi did not have
as good a year as is typical for him. That's hard for
me to observe but it certainly seemed the case from
all reports. Despite leading the team in tackles,
this is partially a feature of his position and not
necessarily a full sign of his typical performance.
His big plays were down and many are going to have
Bruschi a step slower and fading away. I do not
believe this is the case but suspect most of you will
call me blindly optimistic. Tedy broke his wrist in a
rather bad way in preseason. The result of this was
an inability to use that hand for most of the season.
tedy has never been the fastest or strongest out
there. He's more than sufficiently powerful but
heart, smarts and determination get him through.
While after games the cast was removed, he wore a cast
for every game of the season and that has likely been
a significant part of the challenge.

We'll learn a lot about Tedy's status this year and as
much as I hope there is no sign of trouble, I'm more
than willing to acknowledge that another injury marred
season will send a serious message about his health
and potentially his future.

He's making plays and making calls to anchor the
unit - a unit that when many were taking themselves
out of the AFC Championship - desperately needed
bodies. He was flu ravaged all week and stil had the
wrist along with who knows what else in the season of
poundings but he kept himself out there to work
through it. The man is a warrior and his teammates
resepect him tremendously. Thomas will be a great
benefit to him and if we can have a healthy season out
of this front seven we may see some impressive things
defensively.

So while I acknowlede there's trouble in Bruschi
Backer Paradise, I similarly acknowledge the sky
hasn't fallen by any means and I expect that his
comments yesterday indicate he's really ready and
fired up. He didn't like losing to th eColts either
time but the work and preparation and, I believe,
force of Tedy "Full Tilt - Full Time" Bruschi will be
on display for us all again on this year's round.

Go pats!
Zip

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ghost of Patriots Past" <chiz3914@yahoo.com>
To: "Kirk" <k_luedeke@hotmail.com>; "da List"
<patriots@bosco.net>
Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2007 5:17 PM
Subject: Re: #54 will be back

Well, lets hope Bruschi comes back and plays better
than he did last year.

Steve - playing the part of Ron Borgass

patsfanlt@cox.net wrote:
Just what I was waiting to see!!! Great article to
today's Boston Herald,
Hungry Bruschi ready to tackle another season. There
have been reports before this article but this one has
QUOTES from #54

Big Al (wondering if this article put a smile on the
faces of Mrs B and Zip)

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#9985 From: "George" <patswingr@...>
Date: Mon Mar 5, 2007 4:02 am
Subject: RE: [SPAM] Re: Big offer for Welker... 		patswingr
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***** While I don't hate the move, Ken, your criticism of it aligns with what I identified as it's shortcomings. Welker is, indeed, a slot receiver; not a #1 WR. He's an excellent PR, and can probably do some KOR work as well. But I see the surrender of a R2 pick for that as questionable, at best. So, while I welcome him to the team, I think that we've overpaid, and that it still leaves us with the need for a #1 WR. I still see a trade as the only way to add a "sure thing" for that spot. Otherwise, I feel that we must take our best shot with a WR in R1.
 

George
Dogs have masters ... Cats have staff!

 
 

From: patriotzip@yahoogroups.com [mailto:patriotzip@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Ken Collier
Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2007 8:53 PM
To: patriotzip@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [SPAM] Re: [patriotzip] Big offer for Welker...

I have to agree that a second round pick for another short WR is much too
much for me. Javon Walker got traded for a second and you can't even begin
to compare the talent levels there. Also, we always seem to sign a new WR
who is going to be our deep threat and return specialist, but they never pan
out.

Where is Bethel Johnson now? Tim Dwight? Andre Davis? Even throw in Chad
Jackson who dissapointed some in his first year. I would have rather seen
them go after a good all-around guy like Patrick Crayton or a big possesion
guy and TD machine in Ernest Wilford. Both also were tendered at the second
round level.

Instead we are getting a short WR, with only one good year to his name, and
someone who has no nose for the endzone. His entire career he has had 1
offensive TD.

The more I think about it, I hate this move.

But you are right Randy, I have heard that the deal is most likely loaded
with huge salaries at the end of the deal that have no intentions of being
payed (either restructure or cut him before then) to help keep the Dolphins
from being able to match.

Ken

----Original Message Follows----
From: "RandyZ. Pierce" <alaric02@sprynet.com>
Reply-To: patriotzip@yahoogroups.com
To: <patriotzip@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [patriotzip] Big offer for Welker...
Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2007 07:21:16 -0500

That's a bit more than I'd like to pay for him when
you add in the draft pick. I certainly appreciate
much taking him away from a division rival and adding
him to our talent pool but that is steep. I'd like to
see the financial break down to see if it isn't
somehow structured to give us the benefit. Frequently
contracts have a lot of 'show' in them such that the
numbers aren't as good as original reports might
indicate.

Also with the poison pill potential, the league must
sanction the offer sheet/contract and Miami will get
seven days (I believe) to determine their approach.

I do think we just picked up our fourth player in a
single day - impressive!

Go Pats!
Zip

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#9986 From: "George" <patswingr@...>
Date: Mon Mar 5, 2007 4:16 am
Subject: RE: Re: #54 will be back 		patswingr
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***** I'm with you 100%, Randy. I think the list of reasons you presented are just that, reasons, not excuses. I really believe that Tedy will come back strong this season; especially with the now complete LB corps he is part of. We spent nearly all of last season well below our usual level of skill and depth at that position. That, too, hurt Tedy's performance. I fully expect to see the old Tedy Bruschi back for the 2007 season.
 

George
Dogs have masters ... Cats have staff!


From: patriotzip@yahoogroups.com [mailto:patriotzip@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of RandyZ. Pierce
Sent: Monday, March 05, 2007 5:51 AM
To: Ghost of Patriots Past; Kirk; da List
Cc: patriotzip@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [patriotzip] Re: #54 will be back

It is not uncommon to note that Bruschi did not have
as good a year as is typical for him. That's hard for
me to observe but it certainly seemed the case from
all reports. Despite leading the team in tackles,
this is partially a feature of his position and not
necessarily a full sign of his typical performance.
His big plays were down and many are going to have
Bruschi a step slower and fading away. I do not
believe this is the case but suspect most of you will
call me blindly optimistic. Tedy broke his wrist in a
rather bad way in preseason. The result of this was
an inability to use that hand for most of the season.
tedy has never been the fastest or strongest out
there. He's more than sufficiently powerful but
heart, smarts and determination get him through.
While after games the cast was removed, he wore a cast
for every game of the season and that has likely been
a significant part of the challenge.

We'll learn a lot about Tedy's status this year and as
much as I hope there is no sign of trouble, I'm more
than willing to acknowledge that another injury marred
season will send a serious message about his health
and potentially his future.

He's making plays and making calls to anchor the
unit - a unit that when many were taking themselves
out of the AFC Championship - desperately needed
bodies. He was flu ravaged all week and stil had the
wrist along with who knows what else in the season of
poundings but he kept himself out there to work
through it. The man is a warrior and his teammates
resepect him tremendously. Thomas will be a great
benefit to him and if we can have a healthy season out
of this front seven we may see some impressive things
defensively.

So while I acknowlede there's trouble in Bruschi
Backer Paradise, I similarly acknowledge the sky
hasn't fallen by any means and I expect that his
comments yesterday indicate he's really ready and
fired up. He didn't like losing to th eColts either
time but the work and preparation and, I believe,
force of Tedy "Full Tilt - Full Time" Bruschi will be
on display for us all again on this year's round.

Go pats!
Zip

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ghost of Patriots Past" <chiz3914@yahoo.com>
To: "Kirk" <k_luedeke@hotmail.com>; "da List"
<patriots@bosco.net>
Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2007 5:17 PM
Subject: Re: #54 will be back

Well, lets hope Bruschi comes back and plays better
than he did last year.

Steve - playing the part of Ron Borgass

patsfanlt@cox.net wrote:
Just what I was waiting to see!!! Great article to
today's Boston Herald,
Hungry Bruschi ready to tackle another season. There
have been reports before this article but this one has
QUOTES from #54

Big Al (wondering if this article put a smile on the
faces of Mrs B and Zip)

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#9987 From: "George" <patswingr@...>
Date: Mon Mar 5, 2007 4:31 am
Subject: Still listening ... 		patswingr
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***** . for that other shoe to drop. Just in case you missed it, I'm still
hoping that the Pats will make one more surprising big move in the FA
market. SS Ken Hamlin is my man. Perhaps it will happen in time to put me to
sleep tonight with visions of Lombardi Trophies dancing in my head? But,
since I go to bed at about 10 AM, USA ET, it will more likely have to wait
for me to wake up tomorrow morning.

***** Make it happen, BB!!

George
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#9988 From: David Brunat <brewgnat@...>
Date: Mon Mar 5, 2007 2:11 pm
Subject: Vince Wilfork Coaching HS FB? 		BrewGnat
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I went to the NIKE Coach of the Year Clinic in Orlando this last weekend.  Over a thousand coaches were present, mostly from Florida.  I met a very large man named Vince Wilfork there with a HS coaching staff (Boynton Beach I believe).  Seems Vince helps out his old HS in the off season.  He's so serious about it he even attended the clinic to get better at it.  Great clinic by the Miami Hurricanes DC whose name escapes me.  Also attended a clinic by Jon "Doc" Holiday, the DC for the National Champion Gators on the Gators blitz package.  He broke down the Ohio State vs Gators game film.  Clinic concluded with a motivational speech by the winningest college coach in history Bobby Bowden.  Best line I took away is "If you've taken the time to mentor young men you are already a winner."  I go every year, it's just great.
 
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#9989 From: "Frank" <frank.dana@...>
Date: Mon Mar 5, 2007 2:38 pm
Subject: "Don't take" Stallworth... 		frankdanabre...
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For those who preferred that we go after Donte Stallworth, instead of
Welker...

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2788146

Could be why he's still not signed.

fdb

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#9990 From: "George" <patswingr@...>
Date: Mon Mar 5, 2007 3:38 pm
Subject: RE: [SPAM] "Don't take" Stallworth... 		patswingr
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***** If the Pats do sign another WR, I'd prefer that it big one of the big young guys who MAY have the potential to become #1 WR level; Crayton, Wilford, or Hackett, in that order. Stallworth has had more than enough opportunity to rise to that level, if he had it in him. I continue to hope that, if we have the $ left to do so, we sign SS Ken Hamlin, then go for a #1 WR via trade or a R1 draft pick.
 

George
Dogs have masters ... Cats have staff!

 
 

From: patriotzip@yahoogroups.com [mailto:patriotzip@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Frank
Sent: Monday, March 05, 2007 9:39 PM
To: patriotzip@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [SPAM] [patriotzip] "Don't take" Stallworth...

For those who preferred that we go after Donte Stallworth, instead of
Welker...

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2788146

Could be why he's still not signed.

fdb


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#9991 From: "Frank" <frank.dana@...>
Date: Mon Mar 5, 2007 10:58 pm
Subject: Welker a done deal... via trade... 		frankdanabre...
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Peter King is reporting that the deal is done. But not by an RFA offer
sheet, but via trade. Pats reportedly give the Mammals 2nd and 7th
round picks this year. The trade-off is that the contract will not be
as lucrative as reported earlier.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writers/peter_king/03/05/welker/index.html

fdb

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#9992 From: "RandyZ. Pierce" <alaric02@...>
Date: Tue Mar 6, 2007 2:08 am
Subject: Great Deal on Welker 		PatriotZip
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NFL Net reports that the deal is 5 years for 18
million.

That is a very reasonable deal for this player and I
now fully support the move - even with the trade of
the Second and Seventh round picks!

Go Pats!
Zip
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#9993 From: Mark <packy001@...>
Date: Tue Mar 6, 2007 3:23 am
Subject: Welker a No Brainer 		packy001
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We threw in the 7th pick to avoid the controversey of
a poison pill contract.  Suppossedly Kraft nixed the
poison pill and called Huizenga directly to avoid it.

We would have had 11 draft picks (including the 3 comp
picks).  No way they all make the team anyway.

I see us trading out of the 1st round and into the
second and still getting a quality player that fits
our team.  I also see BB wheeling and dealing up and
down to get his players.

Its a bit of an unfair comparison, but Welker compared
to Chad Jackson is a no brainer.  Jackson will miss
his second straight pre-season and a good part if not
all of this season.  Jackson is signed for a total of
4 seasons (two years left after his rehab from torn
ACL).  Welker is a proven veteran that would have been
the #1 receiver on this team last year (67 catches).
He is 25 and his 5 year contract (extremely reasonable
and manageable $3M a year) has him playing 2 years
longer than Jackson.  Welker has guts and plays with a
reckless abandon in his Kickoff and Punt Returns.
Welker gets it and Jackson doesn't ... Jackson cost a
2nd and 3rd ound picks (Packers picked WR Greg
Jennings ... how did he work out) ... Welker costs a
2nd an 7th ....No Brainer


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#9994 From: "George" <patswingr@...>
Date: Tue Mar 6, 2007 3:50 am
Subject: RE: [SPAM] Welker a done deal... via trade... 		patswingr
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***** WOW! I still say WAY too much for Welker. If, in fact, he truly "replaces" Troy Brown for the next 5 or 6 years, I'll take that back. But what I've seen of him so far says that he's as good as Troy on PRs, and a better than average slot receiver. I haven't, however, seen a demonstration that he can get open as consistently, and make the catch in clutch situations as has "First Down Brown" all these years. He's got to show me that before I'll consider him worth a R2 and a R7.
 
***** For now, I'll stick my position that I consider him a good addition to the team, at a price higher than I think he's worth. "Show me the hands, Wes!"
 

George
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From: patriotzip@yahoogroups.com [mailto:patriotzip@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Frank
Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2007 5:59 AM
To: patriotzip@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [SPAM] [patriotzip] Welker a done deal... via trade...

Peter King is reporting that the deal is done. But not by an RFA offer
sheet, but via trade. Pats reportedly give the Mammals 2nd and 7th
round picks this year. The trade-off is that the contract will not be
as lucrative as reported earlier.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writers/peter_king/03/05/welker/index.html

fdb


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#9995 From: "George" <patswingr@...>
Date: Tue Mar 6, 2007 4:03 am
Subject: RE: Great Deal on Welker 		patswingr
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***** I agree on the money issue, Randy. But I'm still not ready to commit on the R2 DP until I see Welker produce more than very good PRs and average slot work. I'm hopeful that he will. But that's what I'd say that I've seen from him with Miami, and I see that as late R3, or early R4 value production. I obviously hope he'll prove me wrong, and I still definitely consider him value added to the team.
 

George
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From: patriotzip@yahoogroups.com [mailto:patriotzip@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of RandyZ. Pierce
Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2007 9:08 AM
To: patriotzip@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [patriotzip] Great Deal on Welker

NFL Net reports that the deal is 5 years for 18
million.

That is a very reasonable deal for this player and I
now fully support the move - even with the trade of
the Second and Seventh round picks!

Go Pats!
Zip
and the Mighty Quinn of PBB and GEB fame


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#9996 From: "George" <patswingr@...>
Date: Tue Mar 6, 2007 4:12 am
Subject: RE: Welker a No Brainer 		patswingr
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***** I understand your point, Mark. However, I don't think that the very poor value that we have thus far received from the 2 picks for Jackson should be used to measure the value from the R2 pick for Welker. Let's wait until Welker gives us all that we hope he can give us before we declare this as a great use of a R2 pick.
 

George
Dogs have masters ... Cats have staff!


From: patriotzip@yahoogroups.com [mailto:patriotzip@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mark
Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2007 10:24 AM
To: patriotzip@yahoogroups.com; Patriot List
Subject: [patriotzip] Welker a No Brainer

We threw in the 7th pick to avoid the controversey of
a poison pill contract. Suppossedly Kraft nixed the
poison pill and called Huizenga directly to avoid it.

We would have had 11 draft picks (including the 3 comp
picks). No way they all make the team anyway.

I see us trading out of the 1st round and into the
second and still getting a quality player that fits
our team. I also see BB wheeling and dealing up and
down to get his players.

Its a bit of an unfair comparison, but Welker compared
to Chad Jackson is a no brainer. Jackson will miss
his second straight pre-season and a good part if not
all of this season. Jackson is signed for a total of
4 seasons (two years left after his rehab from torn
ACL). Welker is a proven veteran that would have been
the #1 receiver on this team last year (67 catches).
He is 25 and his 5 year contract (extremely reasonable
and manageable $3M a year) has him playing 2 years
longer than Jackson. Welker has guts and plays with a
reckless abandon in his Kickoff and Punt Returns.
Welker gets it and Jackson doesn't ... Jackson cost a
2nd and 3rd ound picks (Packers picked WR Greg
Jennings ... how did he work out) ... Welker costs a
2nd an 7th ....No Brainer

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#9997 From: Mark <packy001@...>
Date: Tue Mar 6, 2007 4:18 am
Subject: All Time Borges Quote 		packy001
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On a day when they could have had impact players I
came upon this quuote in the Patsfans message board.
You can throw a flag for piling on, but Borges
deserves it!

David Terrell or Koren Robinson or the second-best
tackle in the draft in Kenyatta Walker, they took
Georgia defensive tackle Richard Seymour, who ... is
too tall to play tackle at 6-6 and too slow to play
defensive end. This genius move was followed by
trading out of a spot where they could have gotten the
last decent receiver in Robert Ferguson and settled
for tackle Matt Light, who will not help any time
soon.
-Ron Borges

File it under ... Where Are They Now ... and now
Borges can join them in the Out Of Football line.  BTW
both Light and Seymour are Pro Bowl players.


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#9998 From: Rich Carreiro <rlcarr@...>
Date: Tue Mar 6, 2007 3:08 am
Subject: Wrong Borges suspended for plagiarism 		Rich_Carr
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There is a god!

http://medianation.blogspot.com/2007/03/borges-suspended.html

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#9999 From: "George" <patswingr@...>
Date: Tue Mar 6, 2007 4:51 am
Subject: RE: All Time Borges Quote 		patswingr
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***** OH, Mark! This is CLASSIC! This should be published on the front page of Herald, and read aloud on every TV and radio sports talk show in New England. It is the perfect indictment of this clearly prejudiced poor excuse for a sports journalist. The Globe should truly be ashamed of themselves for allowing this guy to present his agenda of personal hatred for BB so openly and consistently. It is really disgusting.
 
***** Maybe it's time for people to dedicate themselves to totally ignoring him, as I do. It's only the "controversy" over his "bold" remarks that keeps him working. He should be out on the street, or writing for some 8 page rag in a hick town somewhere. He hasn't a shred of real journalism in him.
 

George
Dogs have masters ... Cats have staff!


From: patriotzip@yahoogroups.com [mailto:patriotzip@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mark
Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2007 11:18 AM
To: Patriot List; Zip List
Subject: [patriotzip] All Time Borges Quote

On a day when they could have had impact players I
came upon this quuote in the Patsfans message board.
You can throw a flag for piling on, but Borges
deserves it!

David Terrell or Koren Robinson or the second-best
tackle in the draft in Kenyatta Walker, they took
Georgia defensive tackle Richard Seymour, who ... is
too tall to play tackle at 6-6 and too slow to play
defensive end. This genius move was followed by
trading out of a spot where they could have gotten the
last decent receiver in Robert Ferguson and settled
for tackle Matt Light, who will not help any time
soon.
-Ron Borges

File it under ... Where Are They Now ... and now
Borges can join them in the Out Of Football line. BTW
both Light and Seymour are Pro Bowl players.

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#10000 From: "George" <patswingr@...>
Date: Tue Mar 6, 2007 5:24 am
Subject: RE: [SPAM] Wrong Borges suspended for plagiarism 		patswingr
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***** WOW! Could I possibly get my wish? I'd love to see this guy removed from covering the Patriots in a major publication!
 

George
Dogs have masters ... Cats have staff!


From: patriotzip@yahoogroups.com [mailto:patriotzip@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Rich Carreiro
Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2007 10:09 AM
To: patriotzip@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [SPAM] [patriotzip] Wrong Borges suspended for plagiarism

There is a god!

http://medianation.blogspot.com/2007/03/borges-suspended.html

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#10001 From: "Frank" <frank.dana@...>
Date: Tue Mar 6, 2007 1:40 pm
Subject: Re: [SPAM] "Don't take" Stallworth... 		frankdanabre...
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Stallworth is reportedly in Foxboro today. He is quoted as saying he
would like very much to play for the Patriots, and because of his
alleged transgressions, is willing to sign a one year contract to
prove himself. Interesting statements. He's also scheduled to visit
Tennassee, and could return to Philly.

fdb

--- In patriotzip@yahoogroups.com, "George" <patswingr@...> wrote:
>
> ***** If the Pats do sign another WR, I'd prefer that it big one
of the big
> young guys who MAY have the potential to become #1 WR level;
Crayton,
> Wilford, or Hackett, in that order. Stallworth has had more than
enough
> opportunity to rise to that level, if he had it in him. I continue
to hope
> that, if we have the $ left to do so, we sign SS Ken Hamlin, then
go for a
> #1 WR via trade or a R1 draft pick.
>
> George
> Dogs have masters ... Cats have staff!
>
>
>
>
>   _____
>
> From: patriotzip@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:patriotzip@yahoogroups.com] On
> Behalf Of Frank
> Sent: Monday, March 05, 2007 9:39 PM
> To: patriotzip@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [SPAM] [patriotzip] "Don't take" Stallworth...
>
>
>
> For those who preferred that we go after Donte Stallworth, instead
of
> Welker...
>
> http://sports. <http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?
id=2788146>
> espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2788146
>
> Could be why he's still not signed.
>
> fdb
>

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#10002 From: "Levon" <levon.knowles@...>
Date: Tue Mar 6, 2007 4:46 pm
Subject: re-thinking the Branch deal 		rogue35lk
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I wounder how Mr. Branch is feeling about his contract right now.
Doesn't it seem like he could have made a hell of a lot more money if
he had played out this last season and hit the open market now.  I
guess hind sight is 20/20, but if Drew Bennett is worth $5 million a
year, how much would Branch be worth?

Seems like both sides of the Branch/Pats marriage got the short end of
the stick.  Now let's hope we can turn that extra 1st rounder into an
impact player

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#10003 From: Mark <packy001@...>
Date: Wed Mar 7, 2007 4:25 am
Subject: Passing of Allen Greenberg, Hartford Curant 		packy001
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Just heard this on Fox and FSNE.  Greenberg was the
Pats beat writer for the Curant and frequent guest of
FSNE.  Vert affable guy, knew his stuff and presented
it plainly and clearly.  I liked him as a reporter and
respected what he had to say.

Butch Sterns did a nice piece on him as did Greg
Dickerson on FSNE.  Dickerson wasn't doing a very good
job holding back the tears at the end of the show when
they did a nice tribute to Greenberg.

Greenberg dies of a sudde heart attack.  He was only
55.



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#10004 From: "George" <patswingr@...>
Date: Wed Mar 7, 2007 5:25 am
Subject: FW: NFL - News: Pats bring back special teams Pro Bowler Izzo 		patswingr
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***** He's getting a little long in the tooth, but apparently BB stills believes he's got some gas left in the tank.
 

George
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#10005 From: "George" <patswingr@...>
Date: Wed Mar 7, 2007 5:24 am
Subject: FW: NFL - News: Niners keep spending, sign LB Banta-Cain away from Pats 		patswingr
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***** This is not a disaster, but is is still a small setback. It's never good to lose a veteran that is used to the system. TBC was definitely a valuable situational guy. As I said, no disaster. He's certainly replaceable. But it does give BB and Pioli another spot to replace.
 

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#10006 From: "RandyZ. Pierce" <alaric02@...>
Date: Wed Mar 7, 2007 1:13 pm
Subject: Re: FW: NFL - News: Niners keep spending, sign LB Banta-Cain away from Pats 		PatriotZip
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I'll remember the monster game he had in Minnesota this year - while his first child was being born as well.
 
Still he was exploited against the run and in pass coverage and that is why he was on the sidelines (I speculate) for the AFC Championship game.  It wasn't a huge money deal but we decided to move in different directions.
 
What troubles me is that he could and did contribute while guys like Marquis Hill....
 
Go Pats!
Zip
 
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Subject: [patriotzip] FW: NFL - News: Niners keep spending, sign LB Banta-Cain away from Pats

***** This is not a disaster, but is is still a small setback. It's never good to lose a veteran that is used to the system. TBC was definitely a valuable situational guy. As I said, no disaster. He's certainly replaceable. But it does give BB and Pioli another spot to replace.
 

George
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#10007 From: Orgone <orgone@...>
Date: Wed Mar 7, 2007 2:11 pm
Subject: Re: re-thinking the Branch deal 		orgone@...
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Seems that Deion didn't want to take a chance on having to endure another Super Bowl winning season with the Pats. Now he's safe in Seattle where he'll never have to deal with that kind of stress again.

Harry


At 04:46 PM 3/6/2007 +0000, you wrote:

I wounder how Mr. Branch is feeling about his contract right now.
Doesn't it seem like he could have made a hell of a lot more money if
he had played out this last season and hit the open market now. I
guess hind sight is 20/20, but if Drew Bennett is worth $5 million a
year, how much would Branch be worth?

Seems like both sides of the Branch/Pats marriage got the short end of
the stick. Now let's hope we can turn that extra 1st rounder into an
impact player



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#10008 From: "Levon" <levon.knowles@...>
Date: Wed Mar 7, 2007 3:29 pm
Subject: Re: Great Deal on Welker 		rogue35lk
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you know, I can't help feeling that we just signed a younger (and
Whiter) version of Troy Brown and if he is half the player Troy is,
then I'm happy.  It will certainly be nice to have a dependable guy
for PR, anytime I saw a punt heading towards anyone not named Troy
Brown, I was always nervous.



--- In patriotzip@yahoogroups.com, "RandyZ.  Pierce" <alaric02@...>
wrote:
>
> NFL Net reports that the deal is 5 years for 18
> million.
>
> That is a very reasonable deal for this player and I
> now fully support the move - even with the trade of
> the Second and Seventh round picks!
>
> Go Pats!
> Zip
> and the Mighty Quinn of PBB and GEB fame
>

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#10009 From: "Levon" <levon.knowles@...>
Date: Wed Mar 7, 2007 3:47 pm
Subject: Graham to Broncos as per SI 		rogue35lk
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DENVER (Ticker) -- Daniel Graham is going back home -- and a lot
richer, according to a newspaper report.

The Denver Post reported on Tuesday that the Denver Broncos signed
tight end Graham to a five-year contract worth $30 million.

Graham, who spent five years with the New England Patriots and played
collegiately at Colorado, is the second big-name free agent brought
in by the Broncos in as many days.

On Monday, Denver signed running back Travis Henry to a five-year
deal with $12 million in guaranteed money.

Graham, 28, caught 120 passes for 1,393 yards and 17 touchdowns in
his five seasons with New England. Last season, he had 21 receptions
and two TD passes.

**(my thoughts) That is a lot of money for a TE not named Gates or
Gonzalez. It would have made 0 sense for the Pats to offer that kind
of money, since they already have Watson and the Rookie TE that I
can't remember. He will deffinatly be a help for the running game in
Denver but I'll be interested to see if he can get more involved in
the passing game.

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#10010 From: "RandyZ. Pierce" <alaric02@...>
Date: Wed Mar 7, 2007 4:01 pm
Subject: Re: Graham to Broncos as per SI 		PatriotZip
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Dave Thomas (not owner of Wendy's) is our other
primary tight end.

WIll miss Graham but not for that money.

Go Pats!
Zip
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Subject: [patriotzip] Graham to Broncos as per SI


DENVER (Ticker) -- Daniel Graham is going back home --
and a lot
richer, according to a newspaper report.

The Denver Post reported on Tuesday that the Denver
Broncos signed
tight end Graham to a five-year contract worth $30
million.

Graham, who spent five years with the New England
Patriots and played
collegiately at Colorado, is the second big-name free
agent brought
in by the Broncos in as many days.

On Monday, Denver signed running back Travis Henry to
a five-year
deal with $12 million in guaranteed money.

Graham, 28, caught 120 passes for 1,393 yards and 17
touchdowns in
his five seasons with New England. Last season, he had
21 receptions
and two TD passes.

**(my thoughts) That is a lot of money for a TE not
named Gates or
Gonzalez. It would have made 0 sense for the Pats to
offer that kind
of money, since they already have Watson and the
Rookie TE that I
can't remember. He will deffinatly be a help for the
running game in
Denver but I'll be interested to see if he can get
more involved in
the passing game.




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#10011 From: David Brunat <brewgnat@...>
Date: Wed Mar 7, 2007 9:23 pm
Subject: Moss SI Article 		BrewGnat
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Article by Jeffri Chadiha Sports Illustrated
 
There was only one word that crept into my mind upon hearing that the Patriots reportedly were interested in trading for Raiders wide receiver Randy Moss: Madness. I realize that Patriots quarterback Tom Brady misses his former favorite targets, Deion Branch and David Givens. I also understand that New England head coach Bill Belichick helped transform running back Corey Dillon from a troubled bad boy in Cincinnati to a valuable contributor on the Patriots 2005 Super Bowl championship team. But Moss redeeming himself in New England? I just don't see it happening.
What the Patriots must grasp -- as well as the Packers and Buccaneers, who also were rumored to be pondering a deal with Oakland -- is that Moss will never change his ways. This isn't a matter of him playing in a lousy organization, although that certainly doesn't help. It's an issue of how he approaches the game, or more specifically, it's the simple fact that he seems less interested in playing at a high level than ever before. It's that type of attitude that led the Vikings to ship him off to Oakland in the first place and now it's made the Raiders think that it might be best to cut ties with Moss as well.
And please don't blame this all on the Raiders' abysmal offense. This was a problem long before former offensive coordinator Tom Walsh installed his prehistoric system in Oakland last offseason and helped Moss produce a career-low 42 receptions. Even when former head coach Norv Turner was running his offense, Moss didn't have the same impact that he'd had earlier in his career. One AFC West scout went so far as to call him the most overrated player in that division, while citing that Moss rarely went after balls with the same veracity. In fact, Moss constantly loafed on plays where he wasn't the primary receiver.
Those aren't the kinds of issues that vanish with a change of scenery or an opportunity to join a championship-caliber organization. They are part of who Moss is and, if anything, his presence would only poison a team like New England. Say what you will about Dillon, but his turnaround with the Patriots had a lot to do with his desire to play for a winner. He was frustrated with all the losing in Cincinnati and most of his problems, while he didn't handle them well, stemmed from that. Moss, on the other hand, has been a pain in the butt whether his teams have been winning or losing.
In fact, the worst thing any team could do is treat Moss like he's special. First, former Vikings head coach Dennis Green coddled him at the start of his career. Then Green's successor, Mike Tice, did the same thing while boasting that he could get the best out of Moss. The Raiders obviously didn't learn anything from those mistakes because when Moss arrived in Oakland for his first press conference following that deal, team officials squired him from the airport to the facility in a stretch limousine accompanied by a police escort. There are people in that organization right now who swear that's when all their trouble with Moss began.
Now I certainly don't think the Patriots would treat Moss so lavishly if they actually made this deal happen. I do, however, believe that their "team-over-the-individual" philosophy would take a serious hit. They'd also fall into that same trap that snared the Raiders and, to a certain extent, the Vikings. Both teams thought that Moss was worth all the potential trouble and both had to learn a difficult lesson. And if that's not enough to sway the Patriots, this simple fact should: If Raiders owner Al Davis is willing to give up on Moss, then that's probably a pretty good indication that Moss's best days are long behind him.

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