I'm surprised and concerned as well. It hasn't precisely been a short
term problem here either. Yes, there are many possible solutions from
free agency to the various blitzing options but ultimately there is no
better replacement for pass defense than predictable pressure from the
front line.

Still there's a long time before footoball...hopefully not *TOO* long!

Go Pats!
Zip
www.2020visionquest.org

No doubt there was a little emphasis here. I think what we already knew
to be true is moe clear now, Sammy Morris and Fred Taylor are in fact
gone. I doubt we'll see Faulk as Woodhead will probably hold his spot
and this means Benny has some competition.

Go Pats!
Zip
www.2020visionquest.org

Be Well!
Randy
& the Mighty Quinn
www.2020visionquest.org

On 4/30/2011 8:54 PM, Machado.Nicholas wrote:
> The team has acquired a big left tackle, a big right guard, a big blocking
> tight end and two running backs in the draft. Although a tad lighter,
> Vereen was rated taller, faster and stronger than Ingram and Ridley is even
> bigger and has FB abilities. Should provide a strong upgrade to the running
> game that will carry the team well into the future.
>
> Harry
>
>

With a dominating performance, hitting the final 3 picks of the first round and
a total of 9 correct, Mark M is the winner of the 12th Annual Bama Mock Draft
Contest.  Congratulations Mark.  Here is the list of final results.  Listed are
name, total correct 1-10, total correct 11-20, total correct 21-32 and total
points.


Bama    5 - 2 - 0 - 9
Cecil   4 - 1 - 2 - 12
Dave    3 - 1 - 0 - 5
Ed      4 - 1 - 0 - 6
Mark    4 - 2 - 3 - 17
Miguel  4 - 2 - 1 - 11
Steve   3 - 3 - 0 - 9
Don Banks       3 - 1 - 1 - 8
Nepatriotsdraft 5 - 1 - 1 - 10
Walterfootball  5 - 2 - 1 - 12

Dave

 

Thanks Dave for all your work putting this together.  I think a backlash against
the lockout may have contributed to the low number of participants.  Hitting the
final three selections was quite the feat considering how bizarre the frst round
turned out to be.  This is actually my second win as my first win was under the
name of John Warren, a name I used for my draft website.

I am hoping my selection of the last three spots will also translate into a
placement in the Patriots Football Weekly contest.  I swapped my 2nd and 3rd
selections in that contest and correctly named 11.  In comparison to the Huddle
Report mock competion, I would have been tied for 5th ( 9 to correct team and 28
of 32 1st round selections) and ranked second to only Rick Gosselin (14) in
correct 1st round picks.
 Mark Morse
Razor's Edge Tailgate Patriots Fangroup
http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/RazorsEdgeTailgate/



----- Original Message ----
From: "Levine, David" <david-levine@...>
To: Patriot List <patriots@...>; "patriotzip@yahoogroups.com"
<patriotzip@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Mon, May 2, 2011 9:40:54 AM
Subject: Bama Draft Contest Results

With a dominating performance, hitting the final 3 picks of the first round and
a total of 9 correct, Mark M is the winner of the 12th Annual Bama Mock Draft
Contest.  Congratulations Mark.  Here is the list of final results.  Listed are
name, total correct 1-10, total correct 11-20, total correct 21-32 and total
points.


Bama    5 - 2 - 0 - 9
Cecil  4 - 1 - 2 - 12
Dave    3 - 1 - 0 - 5
Ed      4 - 1 - 0 - 6
Mark    4 - 2 - 3 - 17
Miguel  4 - 2 - 1 - 11
Steve  3 - 3 - 0 - 9
Don Banks      3 - 1 - 1 - 8
Nepatriotsdraft 5 - 1 - 1 - 10
Walterfootball  5 - 2 - 1 - 12

Dave

 

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He should be big enough.

  From Denver Johnson, his college coach;

"I was shocked at Colorado when he was moved to the offensive line. I
thought he was someone who could have played defensive line, and been an
all-Big 12 defensive end. I was thinking along the lines of Ed 'Too Tall'
Jones from the old Dallas Cowboys days. But we had a tremendous need on the
offensive line and I was delighted to get him."

Harry
________________________________________________________________________________\
__________________________________________

"All generalizations, including this one, are false." - Mark Twain

 

I'm so excited---my daughter just got into UCLA!!! The draft took only 3 players from that school--it's not a powerhouse.
 
The commentators on ESPN said that no one manipulates the draft like BB and the Patriots are listed as number 2 in strength for the coming season (behind the Slackers).
I saw a mention that they took Mallett as QB to keep him away from the Dolphins. That's an interesting comment.

Draft Recap
Potential … the key word of this draft.
Nate Solder – I’m not sold on Solder.  Oh yeah he has great potential. 
His
size, at 6’ 8”+, 315, is impressive.  He runs a 40 in under 5.0.  He is a
converted TE, so he has limited experience (2 years ) at Oline and he has some
technical flaws (hand placement /leverage).  His height actually works against
him and he allows smaller DE’s to get in and around him.  However, give him a
few years with Dante Scarnecchia, and you may have a 10 year all pro!  Curious
that the Patriots waited until a week ago (Monday) to work out Solder.  The
Patriots had scheduled Solder for a visit to Gillette (one of 30 they are
allowed) but they cancelled at the last minute.  If they had him in for an
official visit, they could not work him out (those are the rules).  Instead,
Dante Scarnecchia flies out to Colorado and works him out?  Did this signal a
late change in the Patriots draft philosophy?  Did the news of Marcus
Cannon’s
cancer change the Pats draft plans?  Solder needs to get stronger as he only
did
21 reps at 225#’s.   His long arms make it more difficult to put up a large
# of
reps.  Still, 21 is CB number.  My pick would have been a trade up for LB
Robert
Quinn or stay at 17 and take Cameron Jordan.  Note: what a coincidence that
last
years #1 pick Devin McCourty and this years #1 pick Nate Solder both did ESPN
Sports Science segments.  Check out Solder's, its very impressive.
#28 was traded for #56 and next years #1 from NO.  You have to figure the pick
next year will be in about the same slot.  However, BB passed on all the
potential pass rushers and 3-4 DE’s.  Cameron Jordan was available here and
should have been taken.  When are the Patriots going to cash in these chips? 
I
would have made the trade as well.
#33 Ras-I Dowling CB Virginia – I was shocked that the Patriots did not pull
off
a trade here.  They had all day to work out a deal.  I have no idea what they
were offered.  Are teams just sick of trading with the Patriots, allowing them
to dictate the draft?  As far as Dowling, I thought he could slip into the 1st
round and if healthy, he has the potential to be that big shut down corner.  
His size 6’ 1” and press coverage ability will get him playing time as a
nickel
back.  My pick a small trade down with Cinncinati to 35 and get 134 as well. 
Select Brooks Reed DE Arizona.
 
Mike Reiss theory is that BB thought he could get one of the remaining pass
rushers (Brooks Reed of Jabaal Sheard) at #56.  Once one player was taken, BB
could not or would not move up to take a pass rusher.  Again my theory that
teams would not trade with him.  This way they insure that the Patriots are
unable to address their most glaring weakness … pass rush. 

 
#56  I was thrilled with the selection of Shane Vereen.  He is an every down
back who is elusive, has good vision catches the ball well and hits the hole
hard.  He is a lot like Fred Taylor.  My only problem was that they drafted
him
too early.  Verren is strong and posted 31 reps @ 225#’s at the combine. 
Our
That’s 10 more reps than our 1st round OT selection.  I had Vereen as one of
my
selections in the Patsfans.com messageboard contest.  My Pick Vereen
 
#60 Stevan Ridley RB LSU – didn’t see this one coming!   He is a one year
wonder
that arguably had a good year in the SEC.  He is a hard runner in the mold of
BJGE.  Its not his fault that he sat behind some other good player at LSU and
when he did get his chance, he shown like the sun.  I just don’t think the
Patriots needed to pick him here!  My pick Brandon Harris CB Miami
 
#74 Ryan Mallett QB Arkansas – WOW!  The Patriots are the last team I
expected
would take Mallett.  It was just too good of an opportunity to pass up.  This
is
a low risk pick for the Patrs that good pay big dividends if they get this kid
on the straight and narrow.  Mallet will be given the chance to learn behind
Tom
Brady … this is the perfect situation for Mallet and gives him the best chance
to succeed.  Again another potential move.  Word has it that the Patriots
leaked
the possibility of Mallet to Mike  Lombardi (NFL Network) and he put that on
air.  This was done to see if any teams would want to trade up for the last
legit QB.  Miami was trying to move up but the Patriots took Mallet, perhaps to
spite them.  My Pick John Moffitt OC/OG Wisconsin
 
#92 Traded along with our 4th rd pick (#125) for 2012 2nd round pick by Oakland
and their 5th rd selection.  This signaled that BB was punching out of the
draft.  Charley Casserly and BB both thought it was a weak draft.  I would
have
used this pick on OG Clint Boling Georgia
 
#134  Marcus Cannon - an absolutely great pick!  I was estatic the Patriots
picked this behemouth (6'5" 358 5.09 40).  I was the first to post that Cannon
had cancer on Patsfans.com two weeks ago.  TCU Vehemently denied it, but on
Monday ESPN reported that Cannon had started his treatments for non-hodgkins
lymphoma, a very curable type of cancer.  I felt the Patriots had the luxory of
multiple draft picks and could afford to take Cannon, who is a high risk /
reward selections.  If he can beat this they may have a stud on the Oline for
years to come.  My Pick Cannon
 
# 159 Lee Smith TE Marshall – Huge TE at 6’6” 266.  Two year Captain at
Marshall
and a very good inline blocker.  Slow, and won’t be much of a threat in the
pass
game.  Married with two children.  The word used to describe him is
relentless. 
Could add weight and be moved inside to OT.  Strictly a development player. 
My
pick Chris Carter DE Fresno State
 
#194 Markell Carter LB Central Arkansas 6’3” 240 4.7 40 – Carter came to
CU as a
WR.  He can put pressure on the QB, but lacks technique and fails to finish the
plays.  Raw potential  Also, this trade was a joke, no reason for a swap of
picks other than to say that PHI and NE have made a trade for 8 years in a
row. 
My pick Mark Herzlich LB BC  Did anyone see the piece Herzlich did with Willie
McGinest?  He can play in this league.  How much was his agent being Tom
Condon
have to do with herzlich not getting drafted?#219 (early 7th rd) Malcolm
Williams CB TCU – didn’t think he would get drafted.  Strictly an athlete
with
no position.  Couldn’t get on the field at TCU.  If this doesn’t confirm
the
theory that t he Patriots are not going to draft a player represented by Tom
Condon, nothing will.  The Patriots could have taken Mark Herzlich, if nothing
but a jesture to the kid.  They had already selected a kid (Cannon) that was
going through Chemo therapy, rather than one hat is already  cancer
free.   My
Pick I wouldn't have made this trade.    
 Mark Morse
Razor's Edge Tailgate Patriots Fangroup
http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/RazorsEdgeTailgate/

----- Original Message -----

From: Machado.Nicholas

To: patriotzip@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, May 02, 2011 1:13 PM

Subject: Re: [patriotzip] Slight OT//also draft comments...

 

I have to agree with the ESPN guys. BB took some really interesting picks this year with lots of versatility. Got players late who were expected to go earlier, much earlier in Cannon's case. Once you get clear of the "why no pass rusher" mantra the team looks pretty good for whenever the next season is IMHO.

Comment I read on Mallett; "he's Drew Bledsoe with issues". Hope the team is able keep Mallett out of the Mosh-Pit.

Now Brady will have someone he can out-run at camp.

Harry


At 12:43 PM 5/2/2011 -0700, you wrote:

I'm so excited---my daughter just got into UCLA!!! The draft took only 3 players from that school--it's not a powerhouse.
 
The commentators on ESPN said that no one manipulates the draft like BB and the Patriots are listed as number 2 in strength for the coming season (behind the Slackers).
I saw a mention that they took Mallett as QB to keep him away from the Dolphins. That's an interesting comment.

__________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

"All generalizations, including this one, are false." - Mark Twain

Finn decided to defend the Pats draft this year:

http://www.boston.com/sports/touching_all_the_bases/2011/05/pass_rusher.html

I also wanted to pass along a really excellent and insightful comment
that someone left on that blog post:

     When you guys that love to criticize Belichick read these
     transcripts, do you think to yourselves "oh yeah. I forgot that
     guy is MUCH smarter than I am. Clearly he knows what he is talking
     about, and clearly I do not." And then you just forget each
     spring? Because when I read this stuff, all I can think is how
     happy I am that he is in charge of the team that I root for.

     The differences between a Belichick draft and the draft of another
     team:

     1. the Team (T) needs a player at a position (P). When it is T's
     turn to select a player, the highest rated P on their board of
     players (X) is rated at 6.5 (on a 10.0 scale). Also available is
     player (Y) who plays another position (A). Y's grade is a 8.2.

     Belichick selects player Y. Another team would select player X.

     2. T has the 20th selection. On T's draft board, the highest rated
     remaining player is rated a 7.5 at a position in which T already
     has multiple players. There are 17 players on T's board rated
     between 7.2 and 7.5. Player X plays a position of need for T, and
     is rated a 7.2. Another team calls T to inquire about trading
     selection #20. They are offering selection #34 and a future first
     rounder in exchange.

     In this scenario, Belichick would make the trade, figuring he can
     get a player at #34 that is rated similarly to the best player
     available at #20. Another team would take Player X at #20, and
     their fans would rejoice. In a different circumstance, where the
     best player available at #20 were rated 8.2, followed by the 17
     players rated 7.2-7.5, he may choose to make the selection. But by
     making the trade here he adds a future high selection which will
     offer him another chance to get a 8.2-type value, rather than
     reaching for a player at #20 this year.

     Personally, I prefer Belichick's approach, and I did not even get
     into one other major reason for "trading down" and adding more
     picks: draft are like buying a scratch ticket. The higher you
     draft, the more likely you are to scratch off a prize, but you are
     never guaranteed to get a prize, no matter how high you select. So
     by giving himself more picks, he is basically hedging and giving
     himself more opportunities to find guys that can play.

--
Rich Carreiro                            rlcarr@...

 

Finn decided to defend the Pats draft this year:

http://www.boston.com/sports/touching_all_the_bases/2011/05/pass_rusher.html

I also wanted to pass along a really excellent and insightful comment
that someone left on that blog post:

When you guys that love to criticize Belichick read these
transcripts, do you think to yourselves "oh yeah. I forgot that
guy is MUCH smarter than I am. Clearly he knows what he is talking
about, and clearly I do not." And then you just forget each
spring? Because when I read this stuff, all I can think is how
happy I am that he is in charge of the team that I root for.

The differences between a Belichick draft and the draft of another
team:

1. the Team (T) needs a player at a position (P). When it is T's
turn to select a player, the highest rated P on their board of
players (X) is rated at 6.5 (on a 10.0 scale). Also available is
player (Y) who plays another position (A). Y's grade is a 8.2.

Belichick selects player Y. Another team would select player X.

2. T has the 20th selection. On T's draft board, the highest rated
remaining player is rated a 7.5 at a position in which T already
has multiple players. There are 17 players on T's board rated
between 7.2 and 7.5. Player X plays a position of need for T, and
is rated a 7.2. Another team calls T to inquire about trading
selection #20. They are offering selection #34 and a future first
rounder in exchange.

In this scenario, Belichick would make the trade, figuring he can
get a player at #34 that is rated similarly to the best player
available at #20. Another team would take Player X at #20, and
their fans would rejoice. In a different circumstance, where the
best player available at #20 were rated 8.2, followed by the 17
players rated 7.2-7.5, he may choose to make the selection. But by
making the trade here he adds a future high selection which will
offer him another chance to get a 8.2-type value, rather than
reaching for a player at #20 this year.

Personally, I prefer Belichick's approach, and I did not even get
into one other major reason for "trading down" and adding more
picks: draft are like buying a scratch ticket. The higher you
draft, the more likely you are to scratch off a prize, but you are
never guaranteed to get a prize, no matter how high you select. So
by giving himself more picks, he is basically hedging and giving
himself more opportunities to find guys that can play.

--
Rich Carreiro rlcarr@...

I give us an "A" for the following reasons (and yes, I hope we get a pass rusher
in the future):

1. Solder, with Scarnecchia's help, will be excellent.
2. Dowling will be good if he stays healthy.
3. Great value in Mallett and Cannon picks.
4. Mallett's trade value.
5. Our OL will be tough to handle with Vollmer (6'7"), Solder (6'8"), Cannon
(6'5" and 360), Gronk (6'6") and Lee Smith (6'6").  So, our power running game
will be very successful (added Ridley).
6. 2 1st rounders and 2 2nd rounders next year (goog year for WRs).

Just my opinion, but Wilkerson plays very erect and he has played against
theweakest D1 competion in College Football (MAC).  I would not have invested a
1st round pick in him.  Oh and I did have the Jets selecting him in the draft
contest and was thrilled they picked him.

Oh and speaking of thos thugs in NY.  They later selected Kendrick Ellis a huge
NT that played for Hampton.  He has charges pending that could land him in jail
for 20 years!
Mark Morse
Razor's Edge Tailgate Patriots Fangroup
http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/RazorsEdgeTailgate/

So during this labor dispute and over the last year I've put a lot of
effort into something I call 2020 Vision Quest, a charity effort on my
part to accomplish many things I hope are meaningful. We began last June
and Tedy had decided he would join us for one of our official hikes one
day.  Well that apparently inspired him enough that he's joining the NFL
"Wounded Warrior" program and will climb mt. kilamanjaro in just about
one week from today. The trick is that Tedy had never hiked in his life.
We talked briefly and planned a training day for Tedy but unfortunately
the mountains where I'm starting our project are just a little too
treacherous at precisely this time of year so we had to ad-lib a bit.

On Monday I spent the entire day with Tedy and over the nine hours of
hiking we learned a lot of great things about the draft, the NFL, the
Patriots, hiking and life. It was an amazing day and I'll write my own
report in the not too distant future but I thought many of you might
appreciate this trip report by my friend and our guide, Sherpa John. It
is loaded with pictures and details, some actually not quite correct
(though mostly spot on) but  that's the beauty of perspective. It's a
great read and I think worthy of being on these lists.

http://networkedblogs.com/hpZaJ

Be Well and Go Pats!
Randy "Zip"
and the Mighty Quinn
www.2020visionquest.org

----- Original Message -----

From: Randy Pierce

To: patriotzip@yahoogroups.com ; patriots@... ; sherpajohn@...

Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2011 9:48 AM

Subject: [patriotzip] LPC - Tedy Bruschi Joins Forces with Zip and 2020 Vision Quest?

 

So during this labor dispute and over the last year I've put a lot of
effort into something I call 2020 Vision Quest, a charity effort on my
part to accomplish many things I hope are meaningful. We began last June
and Tedy had decided he would join us for one of our official hikes one
day. Well that apparently inspired him enough that he's joining the NFL
"Wounded Warrior" program and will climb mt. kilamanjaro in just about
one week from today. The trick is that Tedy had never hiked in his life.
We talked briefly and planned a training day for Tedy but unfortunately
the mountains where I'm starting our project are just a little too
treacherous at precisely this time of year so we had to ad-lib a bit.

On Monday I spent the entire day with Tedy and over the nine hours of
hiking we learned a lot of great things about the draft, the NFL, the
Patriots, hiking and life. It was an amazing day and I'll write my own
report in the not too distant future but I thought many of you might
appreciate this trip report by my friend and our guide, Sherpa John. It
is loaded with pictures and details, some actually not quite correct
(though mostly spot on) but that's the beauty of perspective. It's a
great read and I think worthy of being on these lists.

http://networkedblogs.com/hpZaJ

Be Well and Go Pats!
Randy "Zip"
and the Mighty Quinn
www.2020visionquest.org

In any event, we can all agree the Pats took neither Lawrence Taylor nor Jerry Hughes in Round 1 this year. 

But am I the only one who noticed that the Patriots once again traded a pick which was then used by another team to draft a linebacker named Mathews???????

--- On Tue, 5/3/11, Machado.Nicholas <machado.nicholas@...> wrote:

From: Machado.Nicholas <machado.nicholas@...>
Subject: Re: [patriotzip] Chad Finn defends the draft, plus insightful comment
To: patriotzip@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, May 3, 2011, 6:32 PM

 

Plenty of analysts I read said the Pats had a great draft. Mel Kiper didn't but he was one of the few and in my experience he isn't that good anyway.

Another strategy BB is using is drafting players who have had success throughout their careers and in the last few years he has begun to lean towards leaders, captains, players that motivate other players, high character players etc. He is also beginning to take players that drop for health reasons (Tate, Cannon) and even took one with possible attitude or immaturity problems in Mallett.

It appears BB has improved his scouting structure too. Some analysts said they never heard of Dowling when he was picked. The ones that had heard of him said he should have gone around 20th in the first round.

Harry


At 05:59 PM 5/3/2011 -0400, you wrote:

 

Finn decided to defend the Pats draft this year:

http://www.boston.com/sports/touching_all_the_bases/2011/05/pass_rusher.html

I also wanted to pass along a really excellent and insightful comment
that someone left on that blog post:

When you guys that love to criticize Belichick read these
transcripts, do you think to yourselves "oh yeah. I forgot that
guy is MUCH smarter than I am. Clearly he knows what he is talking
about, and clearly I do not." And then you just forget each
spring? Because when I read this stuff, all I can think is how
happy I am that he is in charge of the team that I root for.

The differences between a Belichick draft and the draft of another
team:

1. the Team (T) needs a player at a position (P). When it is T's
turn to select a player, the highest rated P on their board of
players (X) is rated at 6.5 (on a 10.0 scale). Also available is
player (Y) who plays another position (A). Y's grade is a 8.2.

Belichick selects player Y. Another team would select player X.

2. T has the 20th selection. On T's draft board, the highest rated
remaining player is rated a 7.5 at a position in which T already
has multiple players. There are 17 players on T's board rated
between 7.2 and 7.5. Player X plays a position of need for T, and
is rated a 7.2. Another team calls T to inquire about trading
selection #20. They are offering selection #34 and a future first
rounder in exchange.

In this scenario, Belichick would make the trade, figuring he can
get a player at #34 that is rated similarly to the best player
available at #20. Another team would take Player X at #20, and
their fans would rejoice. In a different circumstance, where the
best player available at #20 were rated 8.2, followed by the 17
players rated 7.2-7.5, he may choose to make the selection. But by
making the trade here he adds a future high selection which will
offer him another chance to get a 8.2-type value, rather than
reaching for a player at #20 this year.

Personally, I prefer Belichick's approach, and I did not even get
into one other major reason for "trading down" and adding more
picks: draft are like buying a scratch ticket. The higher you
draft, the more likely you are to scratch off a prize, but you are
never guaranteed to get a prize, no matter how high you select. So
by giving himself more picks, he is basically hedging and giving
himself more opportunities to find guys that can play.

--
Rich Carreiro rlcarr@...

__________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

"All generalizations, including this one, are false." - Mark Twain

 

Harry, I may not miss a thing, but I missed about 35 of the 32 first round draft picks in the mock!!!!!!

--- On Wed, 5/4/11, Machado.Nicholas <machado.nicholas@...> wrote:

From: Machado.Nicholas <machado.nicholas@...>
Subject: Re: [patriotzip] Re: Draft ends pre-draft speculation
To: patriotzip@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, May 4, 2011, 7:45 PM

 

At 04:22 PM 5/3/2011 -0700, you wrote:

In any event, we can all agree the Pats took neither Lawrence Taylor nor Jerry Hughes in Round 1 this year. 

To the dismay of at least one college coach at Colorado.

Maybe those guys came in and blew everyone away their first year but I ask you, did the estimable William McGinest? Someday the football world may add the name Markell Carter or Jermaine Cunningham to the list of all-time great pass rushers or maybe versatile and effective ones that help win games.

But am I the only one who noticed that the Patriots once again traded a pick which was then used by another team to draft a linebacker named Mathews???????

You don't miss a thing Ed. Were you related to Sherlock Holmes in another life?

Harry

--- On Tue, 5/3/11, Machado.Nicholas <machado.nicholas@...> wrote:

From: Machado.Nicholas <machado.nicholas@...>
Subject: Re: [patriotzip] Chad Finn defends the draft, plus insightful comment
To: patriotzip@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, May 3, 2011, 6:32 PM

 

Plenty of analysts I read said the Pats had a great draft. Mel Kiper didn't but he was one of the few and in my experience he isn't that good anyway.

Another strategy BB is using is drafting players who have had success throughout their careers and in the last few years he has begun to lean towards leaders, captains, players that motivate other players, high character players etc. He is also beginning to take players that drop for health reasons (Tate, Cannon) and even took one with possible attitude or immaturity problems in Mallett.

It appears BB has improved his scouting structure too. Some analysts said they never heard of Dowling when he was picked. The ones that had heard of him said he should have gone around 20th in the first round.

Harry


At 05:59 PM 5/3/2011 -0400, you wrote:

 

Finn decided to defend the Pats draft this year:

http://www.boston.com/sports/touching_all_the_bases/2011/05/pass_rusher.html

I also wanted to pass along a really excellent and insightful comment
that someone left on that blog post:

When you guys that love to criticize Belichick read these
transcripts, do you think to yourselves "oh yeah. I forgot that
guy is MUCH smarter than I am. Clearly he knows what he is talking
about, and clearly I do not." And then you just forget each
spring? Because when I read this stuff, all I can think is how
happy I am that he is in charge of the team that I root for.

The differences between a Belichick draft and the draft of another
team:

1. the Team (T) needs a player at a position (P). When it is T's
turn to select a player, the highest rated P on their board of
players (X) is rated at 6.5 (on a 10.0 scale). Also available is
player (Y) who plays another position (A). Y's grade is a 8.2.

Belichick selects player Y. Another team would select player X.

2. T has the 20th selection. On T's draft board, the highest rated
remaining player is rated a 7.5 at a position in which T already
has multiple players. There are 17 players on T's board rated
between 7.2 and 7.5. Player X plays a position of need for T, and
is rated a 7.2. Another team calls T to inquire about trading
selection #20. They are offering selection #34 and a future first
rounder in exchange.

In this scenario, Belichick would make the trade, figuring he can
get a player at #34 that is rated similarly to the best player
available at #20. Another team would take Player X at #20, and
their fans would rejoice. In a different circumstance, where the
best player available at #20 were rated 8.2, followed by the 17
players rated 7.2-7.5, he may choose to make the selection. But by
making the trade here he adds a future high selection which will
offer him another chance to get a 8.2-type value, rather than
reaching for a player at #20 this year.

Personally, I prefer Belichick's approach, and I did not even get
into one other major reason for "trading down" and adding more
picks: draft are like buying a scratch ticket. The higher you
draft, the more likely you are to scratch off a prize, but you are
never guaranteed to get a prize, no matter how high you select. So
by giving himself more picks, he is basically hedging and giving
himself more opportunities to find guys that can play.

--
Rich Carreiro rlcarr@...

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"All generalizations, including this one, are false." - Mark Twain

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"All generalizations, including this one, are false." - Mark Twain

Just sharing a few teasers from Tedy such as his surprise and support
that the BC linebacker who battled back from Cancer but isn't quite up
to speed will be a steal for someone when the league sorts out their
legal battles. (Trusts Mark Morse can fill in the  name I've lost)

Thinks the worse thing you can say about a player is they are soft and
that's what was said about our first round pick...the challenge is how
will the kid respond to being called soft?

and more importantly here's a post battle video in which he talks about
Quinn's Draft-ables!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LnX6pEOlWu4&feature=youtu.be&hd=1

Go Pats!
Zip
and the Mighty Mighty Quinn
www.2020visionquest.org

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That would be Mark Herzlich ... never going to sign with the Patriots.  The
secondary reason he didn't get drafted by any team is that Tom Condon is his
agent.  Way to help out your client Tom!  Condon held Ben Watson out of camp his
rookie year and cost the Patriots an entire year of Watson's development.  They
will never sign a Condon client.

Don't get me wrong, I would love to see Herzlich on the Patriots, but they
drafted a DB from TCU who could not beat out any of the secondary at TCU to get
playing time.  I would have taken the chance on Herzlich, despite Condon. 

BTW I agree with Bruschi on his assessment of Solder.  I posted the message "I'm
not Sold on Solder" 
 Mark Morse
Razor's Edge Tailgate Patriots Fangroup
http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/RazorsEdgeTailgate/



----- Original Message ----
From: Randy Pierce <alaric02@...>
To: patriotzip@yahoogroups.com; patriots@...
Sent: Thu, May 5, 2011 12:27:53 PM
Subject: Tedy on the Draft and versus Quinn!

Just sharing a few teasers from Tedy such as his surprise and support
that the BC linebacker who battled back from Cancer but isn't quite up
to speed will be a steal for someone when the league sorts out their
legal battles. (Trusts Mark Morse can fill in the  name I've lost)

Thinks the worse thing you can say about a player is they are soft and
that's what was said about our first round pick...the challenge is how
will the kid respond to being called soft?

and more importantly here's a post battle video in which he talks about
Quinn's Draft-ables!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LnX6pEOlWu4&feature=youtu.be&hd=1

Go Pats!
Zip
and the Mighty Mighty Quinn
www.2020visionquest.org

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----- Original Message -----

From: Ed Bryant

To: patriotzip@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2011 12:38 PM

Subject: Re: [patriotzip] Re: Draft ends pre-draft speculation

 

With the first pick in the 2012 Mock Draft, everyone takes.....Andrew Luck, qb, Stanford! --- On Thu, 5/5/11, Machado.Nicholas <machado.nicholas@...> wrote: From: Machado.Nicholas <machado.nicholas@...> Subject: Re: [patriotzip] Re: Draft ends pre-draft speculation To: patriotzip@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, May 5, 2011, 12:22 PM   I'll try that mock draft next year and make you look good Ed. H. At 04:53 PM 5/4/2011 -0700, you wrote: Harry, I may not miss a thing, but I missed about 35 of the 32 first round draft picks in the mock!!!!!! --- On Wed, 5/4/11, Machado.Nicholas <machado.nicholas@...> wrote: From: Machado.Nicholas <machado.nicholas@...> Subject: Re: [patriotzip] Re: Draft ends pre-draft speculation To: patriotzip@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, May 4, 2011, 7:45 PM   At 04:22 PM 5/3/2011 -0700, you wrote: In any event, we can all agree the Pats took neither Lawrence Taylor nor Jerry Hughes in Round 1 this year.  To the dismay of at least one college coach at Colorado. Maybe those guys came in and blew everyone away their first year but I ask you, did the estimable William McGinest? Someday the football world may add the name Markell Carter or Jermaine Cunningham to the list of all-time great pass rushers or maybe versatile and effective ones that help win games. But am I the only one who noticed that the Patriots once again traded a pick which was then used by another team to draft a linebacker named Mathews??????? You don't miss a thing Ed. Were you related to Sherlock Holmes in another life? Harry --- On Tue, 5/3/11, Machado.Nicholas <machado.nicholas@...> wrote: From: Machado.Nicholas <machado.nicholas@...> Subject: Re: [patriotzip] Chad Finn defends the draft, plus insightful comment To: patriotzip@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, May 3, 2011, 6:32 PM   Plenty of analysts I read said the Pats had a great draft. Mel Kiper didn't but he was one of the few and in my experience he isn't that good anyway. Another strategy BB is using is drafting players who have had success throughout their careers and in the last few years he has begun to lean towards leaders, captains, players that motivate other players, high character players etc. He is also beginning to take players that drop for health reasons (Tate, Cannon) and even took one with possible attitude or immaturity problems in Mallett. It appears BB has improved his scouting structure too. Some analysts said they never heard of Dowling when he was picked. The ones that had heard of him said he should have gone around 20th in the first round. Harry At 05:59 PM 5/3/2011 -0400, you wrote: Finn decided to defend the Pats draft this year: http://www.boston.com/sports/touching_all_the_bases/2011/05/pass_rusher.html I also wanted to pass along a really excellent and insightful comment that someone left on that blog post: When you guys that love to criticize Belichick read these transcripts, do you think to yourselves "oh yeah. I forgot that guy is MUCH smarter than I am. Clearly he knows what he is talking about, and clearly I do not." And then you just forget each spring? Because when I read this stuff, all I can think is how happy I am that he is in charge of the team that I root for. The differences between a Belichick draft and the draft of another team: 1. the Team (T) needs a player at a position (P). When it is T's turn to select a player, the highest rated P on their board of players (X) is rated at 6.5 (on a 10.0 scale). Also available is player (Y) who plays another position (A). Y's grade is a 8.2. Belichick selects player Y. Another team would select player X. 2. T has the 20th selection. On T's draft board, the highest rated remaining player is rated a 7.5 at a position in which T already has multiple players. There are 17 players on T's board rated between 7.2 and 7.5. Player X plays a position of need for T, and is rated a 7.2. Another team calls T to inquire about trading selection #20. They are offering selection #34 and a future first rounder in exchange. In this scenario, Belichick would make the trade, figuring he can get a player at #34 that is rated similarly to the best player available at #20. Another team would take Player X at #20, and their fans would rejoice. In a different circumstance, where the best player available at #20 were rated 8.2, followed by the 17 players rated 7.2-7.5, he may choose to make the selection. But by making the trade here he adds a future high selection which will offer him another chance to get a 8.2-type value, rather than reaching for a player at #20 this year. Personally, I prefer Belichick's approach, and I did not even get into one other major reason for "trading down" and adding more picks: draft are like buying a scratch ticket. The higher you draft, the more likely you are to scratch off a prize, but you are never guaranteed to get a prize, no matter how high you select. So by giving himself more picks, he is basically hedging and giving himself more opportunities to find guys that can play. -- Rich Carreiro rlcarr@... __________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ "All generalizations, including this one, are false." - Mark Twain __________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ "All generalizations, including this one, are false." - Mark Twain __________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ "All generalizations, including this one, are false." - Mark Twain

Hoyer is the back-up and a late pick up named Robinson I believe.  Hard
to say, the pick surprised me but then I couldn't believe we took a QB
at 199 in 2000!

Go Pats!
Zip
www.2020visionquest.org

I'm not sure what all this media speculation is about Mallett taking the
reins from Brady in a few years. If the coaching reports are accurate the
guy can't run. He can throw and has lots of tools but he cannot run and
that cannot be coached. After Drew Bledsoe I sure don't want another
monster arm but immobile QB starting for the team. BB should (and likely
does) know better as he is one who had a lot to do with making them obsolete.

Brian Hoyer on the other hand scrambles well, has good size, good accuracy,
works hard, has two (three?) years in on the Pats system and has played
well for the Pats when he has had a chance most noticeably the come-back
pre-season victory over the Giants year before last.

Harry

At 05:32 AM 5/6/2011 -0400, you wrote:
>
>
>Hoyer is the back-up and a late pick up named Robinson I believe. Hard
>to say, the pick surprised me but then I couldn't believe we took a QB
>at 199 in 2000!
>
>Go Pats!
>Zip
>www.2020visionquest.org

________________________________________________________________________________\
__________________________________________

"All generalizations, including this one, are false." - Mark Twain

Anybody up for an out of season get together?  I was thinking about having an
Ice Cream Social at Kimball’s at Bates Farm Carlisle MA.  This is not the
Kimball’s megaplex in Westford, but a smaller hideaway on Rte 225 just south
of
Carlisle Center. 

 
I’d like to do this on a Sunday afternoon in July.  This will give us a
social
setting to get together and talk about our favorite past time, The Patriots. 
It
will also allow us to catch up on what’s been going on with each other.  
 
e-Mail me back with your response both positive and negative.  Any suggestions
are appreciated.
 http://www.kimballfarm.com/carlisle.shtml
 Mark Morse
Razor's Edge Tailgate Patriots Fangroup
http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/RazorsEdgeTailgate/

 

Search the internet and find the combine picture of the 2000 #199 selection.  His 40 time was about the same as Mallett's. 
 
Mark Morse
Razor's Edge Tailgate Patriots Fangroup
http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/RazorsEdgeTailgate/



From: Machado.Nicholas <machado.nicholas@...>
To: patriotzip@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, May 6, 2011 10:35:03 AM
Subject: Re: [patriotzip] Re: Draft ends pre-draft speculation

 

I'm not sure what all this media speculation is about Mallett taking the
reins from Brady in a few years. If the coaching reports are accurate the
guy can't run. He can throw and has lots of tools but he cannot run and
that cannot be coached. After Drew Bledsoe I sure don't want another
monster arm but immobile QB starting for the team. BB should (and likely
does) know better as he is one who had a lot to do with making them obsolete.

Brian Hoyer on the other hand scrambles well, has good size, good accuracy,
works hard, has two (three?) years in on the Pats system and has played
well for the Pats when he has had a chance most noticeably the come-back
pre-season victory over the Giants year before last.

Harry

At 05:32 AM 5/6/2011 -0400, you wrote:
>
>
>Hoyer is the back-up and a late pick up named Robinson I believe. Hard
>to say, the pick surprised me but then I couldn't believe we took a QB
>at 199 in 2000!
>
>Go Pats!
>Zip
>www.2020visionquest.org

__________________________________________________________

"All generalizations, including this one, are false." - Mark Twain