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#16216 From: Monty Rodrigues <patfan1@...>
Date: Mon Nov 16, 2009 5:04 pm
Subject: Re: What an exciting game!
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A drinking problem?  Seriously?  That's where people (OK, one person) is taking this?


From: Aamir Majeed <majeedaamir@...>
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Sent: Mon, November 16, 2009 11:49:37 AM
Subject: [patriotzip] What an exciting game!



I have never in my life seen a sporting event as exciting as the game I watched last night! It was a shame it had to end in our defeat. I must wonder why Mr. Belichick did not punt. I have heard from many people that they consider him an arrogant man and I am now wondering if this is so. Even my 7 year old son, who fell asleep and then woke up toward the end of the game asked why we weren't punting. I can not answer this even today. Sometimes I wonder if perhaps Mr. Belichick has a secret drinking problem. It was not a decision a sober man would make. I also must say that I am very impressed with these Colts. I have never seen a team come back so quickly. It was a very exciting game. But even wearing my special Patriots turban could not help us win this one I am afraid.




#16215 From: Rich Carreiro <rlcarr@...>
Date: Mon Nov 16, 2009 5:02 pm
Subject: Thoughts on the defensive calls after the 4th down fail
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I think this comment from elsewhere has it correctly:

      This is something that no-one's talking about. Belichick (or
      Pees) also deserves blame for another decision...the DEFENSIVE
      calls after Manning took over at the 30. You're up by 6, you have
      no timeouts, less than 2:00 to play. Ideally you want to stop a
      TD, but if you're going to give up a TD, you want to force the
      other team to get it quickly. Plus, you're D-line is gassed and
      unable to get any pressure, and missing their best pass
      rusher. So move those safeties up to the line, and BLITZ BLITZ
      BLITZ. Don't keep anyone back, unless they're supposed to jump
      routes, and instruct them not to tackle a receiver who does catch
      it unless they can force them out of bounds. The disadvantage of
      the blitz is that it risks giving up the "big play"--but this
      isn't that bad of an outcome... you would get the ball back down
      by 1 with plenty of time left. The advantage is that it forces
      the other team to at least do something quickly--and score or no
      score, you want them to do it quickly. Plus, it increases the
      chance of a game-winning turnover. Purds made the good point that
      Indy went all out to stop the first down on 4th-and-two...because
      a first down was just as bad as a TD. This is the reverse. NE
      should have gone all out to try to force a turnover or even an
      incompletion, because giving up a TD is only marginally worse,
      and is much better than giving up a short or medium gain.

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#16214 From: Aamir Majeed <majeedaamir@...>
Date: Mon Nov 16, 2009 4:49 pm
Subject: What an exciting game!
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I have never in my life seen a sporting event as exciting as the game I watched last night! It was a shame it had to end in our defeat. I must wonder why Mr. Belichick did not punt. I have heard from many people that they consider him an arrogant man and I am now wondering if this is so. Even my 7 year old son, who fell asleep and then woke up toward the end of the game asked why we weren't punting. I can not answer this even today. Sometimes I wonder if perhaps Mr. Belichick has a secret drinking problem. It was not a decision a sober man would make. I also must say that I am very impressed with these Colts. I have never seen a team come back so quickly. It was a very exciting game. But even wearing my special Patriots turban could not help us win this one I am afraid.


#16213 From: "Machado.Nicholas" <machado.nicholas@...>
Date: Mon Nov 16, 2009 4:47 pm
Subject: Pats not sustaining drives
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Wasn't too long ago that the Pats offense could sustain drives taking 8-12
minutes regularly. Since Randy Moss came aboard that has changed and
scoring drives often take just a few minutes with the long bombs down the
field. The result is that the Pats defense is on the field way too much.
Last night was a prime example. They scored 34 points, had drives that
could have produced 14 more points at least yet the defense was walking on
their tongues early in the fourth quarter. In the old days that much
offense meant a well rested defense in the fourth. Don't get me wrong I
like RM a lot but the way he is being used has changed the face of the Pats
offense and the result is loses where there used to be wins in these big
games.

Nice to see Vollmer establish himself on the left side. He stood up well to
a big test with Freeney. Here is a vote to plug Matt Light into Kaczur's spot.

Harry

#16212 From: Ed Bryant <edbryant36@...>
Date: Mon Nov 16, 2009 12:58 pm
Subject: Re: The Call -OR- My Name is Scott, and I'm a Footballaholic
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Watch ONE game after recording it.  Don't watch it live.  Wait.  Find out the score before you watch it.

If you watch just one game knowing whether OUR team won or lost, in advance, you can watch each play, seeing how that play advanced the cause, or harmed it.  The experience will be far less emotional, much more cerebral.

A word of warning: the NE Patriots are 6 and 3.  A year ago, the NE Patriots were 6 and 3.  The year before, 9 and 0.  So, when subtracting these vicarious rides on the roller coaster that WE take, you might want to consider: have I been luckier in THIS emotional investment than in some others?  At the end of a season in which we did NOT win a championship, can I find a smile remembering Brandon Meriweather sacking Seneca Wallace, sealing the deal on a COME FROM BEHIND win we really needed?

Did Butler get screwed last night any worse than Baltimore got screwed on the holding call when Brady threw to Watson on 4th and game in 2007?  

We lose the occasional game.  I think the payoff as summer to turns to fall is worth MY investement, but hey, if it means too much to you, do what I did as Baltimore went down the field at the end of the 2009 game: work on your breathing!!!!!!!!!!





--- On Mon, 11/16/09, kmacalp@... <kmacalp@...> wrote:

From: kmacalp@... <kmacalp@...>
Subject: [patriotzip] The Call -OR- My Name is Scott, and I'm a Footballaholic
To: patriotzip@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, November 16, 2009, 3:13 AM

 

Well, I agreed with going for it deep in Dolphins territory last week. I didn't think it was a great idea here. I'd rather make Manning work to get down the field. Of course, he managed the feat in 2006 with what? A minute or so to go? And a year later, where did his brother Eli start from? 85 yards out?
 
I don't know. The result just made me sick. The odds of winning by gaining two yards may be higher than the odds of winning by preventing a 70 yard touchdown drive, but all I can say is, "Arrrggghhhh! !!!" My gut tells me that there's something not right about those Bell theories. I mean you don't want your offense turning the ball over at your own 29, right? Not getting that 4th down is like throwing an interception at your own 29 with about two minutes to play with your team leading. I mean if the analysis is so sound, why not always go for it on 4th and 2 or less from your own territory? I just think something is missing, but I'm not smart enough to do the analysis so what can I say?
 
Anyway, anyone know of any football anonymous type groups? Seriously, I think I need to stop getting so wrapped up in these games like I have some really vital personal stakes involved. When we lose games like this, it's miserable. Here I am at nearly  3:00 AM, unable to sleep. Even when we win a game like this, it's draining. I mean, come on! As a fan, I should have fun win or lose. It should be more fun watching my team win, of course, but there should also be a certain amount of fun just watching the competition and cheering for my team. The knowledge that my team could lose is what should enhance my enjoyment of their wins. It's not like I'm getting paid if my team wins. It's not like anything I do influences the outcome. So, why do I let it matter so much? For my part, this game and my reaction makes me realize I need to put this stuff in better perspective. What I accomplish in my own life should matter more to me than what Bill Belichick or Tom Brady or Adalius Thomas accomplish in their lives. What I do at my own job should matter more to me than what they do at theirs, right? Wow! I'm going to be useful to my employer in about 4 hours. I'll probably not be at my best when I go in, and yet, I think it's okay to criticize Belichick for what he did at his work last night? What's up with that? 
 
I mean look at what I wrote above. "When we lose games like this" and "even when we win a game like this." I didn't notice that until I went back to proofread. "We?" As if I was out there contributing to wins and losses.
 
Does anyone know how I can change this mind set? I hope no one thinks I'm being flippant about alcoholism, it's just that taking these games so seriously seems to be an addiction too. Maybe it's not as destructive as other addictions, but being unable to sleep after certain losses (not all losses, just certain ones) isn't good. There's probably more constructive things I can do with my free time than obsessing too much over the games. I mean watching the games, and reading some news, and interacting with fellow fans is okay. But maybe I go overboard, ya know? 
 
Sincerely,
 
Scott   


#16211 From: Rich Carreiro <rlcarr@...>
Date: Mon Nov 16, 2009 12:28 pm
Subject: On reflection, he was stupid for a slightly different reason
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Knowing that he was going to go for it on 4th down, the 3rd-and-2
play should have been a run.  It would have eliminated the two
minute warning as a clock stoppage, may well have picked up the
first down on its own, and even if it didn't, the 4th down may
well have been 4th-and-1 or 4th-and-inches.

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#16210 From: kmacalp@...
Date: Mon Nov 16, 2009 3:13 am
Subject: The Call -OR- My Name is Scott, and I'm a Footballaholic
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Well, I agreed with going for it deep in Dolphins territory last week. I didn't think it was a great idea here. I'd rather make Manning work to get down the field. Of course, he managed the feat in 2006 with what? A minute or so to go? And a year later, where did his brother Eli start from? 85 yards out?
 
I don't know. The result just made me sick. The odds of winning by gaining two yards may be higher than the odds of winning by preventing a 70 yard touchdown drive, but all I can say is, "Arrrggghhhh!!!!" My gut tells me that there's something not right about those Bell theories. I mean you don't want your offense turning the ball over at your own 29, right? Not getting that 4th down is like throwing an interception at your own 29 with about two minutes to play with your team leading. I mean if the analysis is so sound, why not always go for it on 4th and 2 or less from your own territory? I just think something is missing, but I'm not smart enough to do the analysis so what can I say?
 
Anyway, anyone know of any football anonymous type groups? Seriously, I think I need to stop getting so wrapped up in these games like I have some really vital personal stakes involved. When we lose games like this, it's miserable. Here I am at nearly  3:00 AM, unable to sleep. Even when we win a game like this, it's draining. I mean, come on! As a fan, I should have fun win or lose. It should be more fun watching my team win, of course, but there should also be a certain amount of fun just watching the competition and cheering for my team. The knowledge that my team could lose is what should enhance my enjoyment of their wins. It's not like I'm getting paid if my team wins. It's not like anything I do influences the outcome. So, why do I let it matter so much? For my part, this game and my reaction makes me realize I need to put this stuff in better perspective. What I accomplish in my own life should matter more to me than what Bill Belichick or Tom Brady or Adalius Thomas accomplish in their lives. What I do at my own job should matter more to me than what they do at theirs, right? Wow! I'm going to be useful to my employer in about 4 hours. I'll probably not be at my best when I go in, and yet, I think it's okay to criticize Belichick for what he did at his work last night? What's up with that? 
 
I mean look at what I wrote above. "When we lose games like this" and "even when we win a game like this." I didn't notice that until I went back to proofread. "We?" As if I was out there contributing to wins and losses.
 
Does anyone know how I can change this mind set? I hope no one thinks I'm being flippant about alcoholism, it's just that taking these games so seriously seems to be an addiction too. Maybe it's not as destructive as other addictions, but being unable to sleep after certain losses (not all losses, just certain ones) isn't good. There's probably more constructive things I can do with my free time than obsessing too much over the games. I mean watching the games, and reading some news, and interacting with fellow fans is okay. But maybe I go overboard, ya know? 
 
Sincerely,
 
Scott   

#16209 From: Rich Carreiro <rlcarr@...>
Date: Mon Nov 16, 2009 6:24 am
Subject: Re: One defense of Belichick
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#16208 From: Rich Carreiro <rlcarr@...>
Date: Mon Nov 16, 2009 6:21 am
Subject: One defense of Belichick
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http://fifthdown.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/11/16/defending-belichicks-fourth-down-d\
ecision/

As for people asking about why more prevent later in the game,
they did lose both Banta-Cain and Ninkovitch to injuries during
the game.  Maybe the loss of depth at LB and the loss of QB pressure
(esp from losing TBC) is why they went more to a prevent?

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#16207 From: Ed Bryant <edbryant36@...>
Date: Mon Nov 16, 2009 6:10 am
Subject: It's pretty damn easy on the couch
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The Collie PI penalty covered 31 yards, and Coach Belichick will never say if he thought there was another PI penalty or two in store. 
The 2006 and 2007 seasons ended with Mannings trailing by too many points to tie with a FG, so they had to go for a TD.
A year ago in Indy, BB ran out of time-outs and couldn't challenge the spot on 3rd down, so NE wound up with a 3rd and long instead of 1st and a chance to hold onto the ball longer, still with a chance both to score and run out the clock, but with no time outs to lodge a challenge, we had third and long and then fourth and lost 18-15.
This time, what was left standing of the defense was taken off the hook by the coach, but we had no time-outs, either to challenge where Kevin caught the ball, nor to manage the clock, but I'm OK with the coach going for it on fourth down against Atlanta or Baltimore at home, and I'm OK with the decision to go for it at Indy.
This was the best road game by far we've played this year, and it was done without Ty Warren and Jarvis Green on defense.  At the end, BB showed confidence in Sebastian Vollmer and Dan Connolly, playing in place of Matt Light and Steve Neal.  He also showed confidence in Brady and Faulk.   Last time we won at Indy, Faulk scored the winning TD.  Tonight, he just needed two yards.
I wish Brady would stop throwing to Bethea, and Maroney has used up a lifetime of goal line fumbles in Indy.
We are in good shape to win our division.  We are not in good shape to make Indy come to Foxboro.  I doubt anyone on our team thinks we can't win at Indy, but I hope the team knows we can't afford to lose to the the Jets in the division next Sunday.

 

--- On Mon, 11/16/09, Bob George <soxpats413@...> wrote:

From: Bob George <soxpats413@...>
Subject: Re: [patriotzip] The Worst Single Game Coaching Job In The History of The Patriots!
To: patriotzip@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, November 16, 2009, 12:59 AM

 

While I would have punted, it was obvious that the Patriot defense was gassed.  Be it 30 yards or 70 or 80 yards, the Colts probably still score with less than 20 seconds left.  But I would have at least given the defense a fighting chance.
 
Bob G


 
On Sun, Nov 15, 2009 at 8:59 PM, George <patswingr@gmail. com> wrote:
 

Absolutely the worst coaching job that Bill Belichick has EVER done, anywhere, anytime. HOW THE F*** CAN YOU NOT PUNT THE BALL IN THAT SITUATION?!
 
Not to mention the inability to stop the Colts on the TWO previous drives, when they scored TWO TDs over a period of 3 MINUTES AND 54 SECONDS!!
 
It's been a very long time since I have said that I am ashamed of my team. But, right now, I am thoroughly ashamed of the Patriots! And I am absolutely LIVID at Bill Belichick!

George

 



#16206 From: Bob George <soxpats413@...>
Date: Mon Nov 16, 2009 5:59 am
Subject: Re: The Worst Single Game Coaching Job In The History of The Patriots!
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While I would have punted, it was obvious that the Patriot defense was gassed.  Be it 30 yards or 70 or 80 yards, the Colts probably still score with less than 20 seconds left.  But I would have at least given the defense a fighting chance.
 
Bob G


 
On Sun, Nov 15, 2009 at 8:59 PM, George <patswingr@...> wrote:
 

Absolutely the worst coaching job that Bill Belichick has EVER done, anywhere, anytime. HOW THE F*** CAN YOU NOT PUNT THE BALL IN THAT SITUATION?!
 
Not to mention the inability to stop the Colts on the TWO previous drives, when they scored TWO TDs over a period of 3 MINUTES AND 54 SECONDS!!
 
It's been a very long time since I have said that I am ashamed of my team. But, right now, I am thoroughly ashamed of the Patriots! And I am absolutely LIVID at Bill Belichick!

George

 



#16205 From: "RandyZ. Pierce" <alaric02@...>
Date: Mon Nov 16, 2009 5:41 am
Subject: Re: The Worst Single Game Coaching Job In The History of The Patriots!
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It's late and I'm off to bed but I agreed with the fourth and 2 call then...and
now.

Go Pats!
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Patriots!


> Absolutely the worst coaching job that Bill Belichick has EVER done,
> anywhere, anytime. HOW THE F*** CAN YOU NOT PUNT THE BALL IN THAT
> SITUATION?!
>
> Not to mention the inability to stop the Colts on the TWO previous drives,
> when they scored TWO TDs over a period of 3 MINUTES AND 54 SECONDS!!
>
> It's been a very long time since I have said that I am ashamed of my team.
> But, right now, I am thoroughly ashamed of the Patriots! And I am absolutely
> LIVID at Bill Belichick!
> George
>
>
>


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#16204 From: "George" <patswingr@...>
Date: Mon Nov 16, 2009 4:59 am
Subject: The Worst Single Game Coaching Job In The History of The Patriots!
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Absolutely the worst coaching job that Bill Belichick has EVER done, anywhere, anytime. HOW THE F*** CAN YOU NOT PUNT THE BALL IN THAT SITUATION?!
 
Not to mention the inability to stop the Colts on the TWO previous drives, when they scored TWO TDs over a period of 3 MINUTES AND 54 SECONDS!!
 
It's been a very long time since I have said that I am ashamed of my team. But, right now, I am thoroughly ashamed of the Patriots! And I am absolutely LIVID at Bill Belichick!

George

 

#16203 From: Rich Carreiro <rlcarr@...>
Date: Mon Nov 16, 2009 4:57 am
Subject: Re: Arrogance cost us the game
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packy001@... (Mark Morse) writes:

> I don't know why there wasn't a review by the officials upstairs on
> the spot of the ball. Faulk didn't bobble the ball as the official
> behind him called it. Thats why he made the placement behind the
> 1st down mark.

Because the ball was snapped before the 2 minute warning, only
the Pats or Colts could challenge it.  But because NE was out of
timeouts due to their incredibly stupid use of timeouts, they
were not allowed to challenege it.  Booth review only happens
for plays that begin with 2:00 on the clock or less.

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#16202 From: Mark Morse <packy001@...>
Date: Mon Nov 16, 2009 4:49 am
Subject: Arrogance cost us the game
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Ultimately, BB will be criticized for the call to go fo it on 4th down. 
However, the Patriots prevent defense, prevented them from winning this game. 
The conservative play calling in the second half didn't help and Maromey's
fumble was huge.

I don't know why there wasn't a review by the officials upstairs on the spot of
the ball.  Faulk didn't bobble the ball as the official behind him called it. 
Thats why he made the placement behind the 1st down mark. 

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#16201 From: Rich Carreiro <rlcarr@...>
Date: Mon Nov 16, 2009 4:48 am
Subject: WTF?!
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How can you not punt there?  Do you distrust your D that badly?
Not to mention the absolutely terrible clock and timeout management
that left you unable to challenge the call.  Big-time F for BB in
this one.

(Of course, if Faulk had caught in cleanly it would have been
a first down.  By juggling it a bit he didn't have possession
until he was driven back behind the sticks.)

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#16200 From: David Price <castsashadow@...>
Date: Mon Nov 16, 2009 4:44 am
Subject: Nice call, coach
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WTF????  How do you not punt in that situation?  I don't know what else to say.


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#16199 From: kmacalp@...
Date: Sun Nov 15, 2009 7:58 am
Subject: Re: Some of the walking wounded return to practice
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The Patriots also placed rookie WR Brandon Tate (knee) on season-ending injured reserve and signed former Cowboys WR Isaiah Stanback from the practice squad."
 
<Scott> NOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Oh well, I guess someone needs to keep Shawn Crable company.
 
Scott

#16198 From: "Machado.Nicholas" <machado.nicholas@...>
Date: Sun Nov 15, 2009 4:46 am
Subject: Re: Re: Some of the walking wounded return to practice
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Good Sammy is getting close.

Too bad about Tate. Is that the same knee that he tore up in college?

Harry


At 04:22 AM 11/15/2009 +0000, you wrote:
 

The latest from NFL.com...

"The Patriots declared RB Sammy Morris out of Sunday night's game against the Colts after originally listing him as questionable with a knee injury.

The Patriots also placed rookie WR Brandon Tate (knee) on season-ending injured reserve and signed former Cowboys WR Isaiah Stanback from the practice squad."

fdb

--- In patriotzip@yahoogroups.com, Rich Carreiro <rlcarr@...> wrote:
>
> RB Sammy Morris, LT Matt Light, WR Julian Edelman, S Brandon Meriweather,
> ST Eric Alexander, and C Dan Koppen all practiced today.
>
> But will they play?
>
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>




#16197 From: "frankdanabrewster" <frank.dana@...>
Date: Sun Nov 15, 2009 4:22 am
Subject: Re: Some of the walking wounded return to practice
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The latest from NFL.com...

"The Patriots declared RB Sammy Morris out of Sunday night's game against the
Colts after originally listing him as questionable with a knee injury.

The Patriots also placed rookie WR Brandon Tate (knee) on season-ending injured
reserve and signed former Cowboys WR Isaiah Stanback from the practice squad."

fdb


--- In patriotzip@yahoogroups.com, Rich Carreiro <rlcarr@...> wrote:
>
> RB Sammy Morris, LT Matt Light, WR Julian Edelman, S Brandon Meriweather,
> ST Eric Alexander, and C Dan Koppen all practiced today.
>
> But will they play?
>
> --
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>

#16196 From: Rich Carreiro <rlcarr@...>
Date: Fri Nov 13, 2009 5:32 pm
Subject: Some of the walking wounded return to practice
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RB Sammy Morris, LT Matt Light, WR Julian Edelman, S Brandon Meriweather,
ST Eric Alexander, and C Dan Koppen all practiced today.

But will they play?

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#16195 From: Rich Carreiro <rlcarr@...>
Date: Fri Nov 13, 2009 3:46 pm
Subject: Even a blind squirrel finds an acorn now and then
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Wrong Borges actually has a decent Brady interview today:

http://bostonherald.com/sports/football/patriots/view.bg?articleid=1211592&forma\
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#16194 From: kmacalp@...
Date: Fri Nov 13, 2009 6:30 am
Subject: Re: Wildcat White
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<Randy> Great information to hear the Pats coverred Henne as a receiver, I wonder how they decided who would draw that
assignment on each play and sure hope they weren't putting the top cover on him each time. I hadn't heard anyone break
down that detail.
 
<Scott> I watched on TV so I was limited to what the camera showed. On the wildcat play where I noticed Henne being covered, the cover guy was Patrick Chung. Chung was right up in Henne's face, but I didn't see if Chung got a good jam on him or not.
 
Scott Sheaffer  

#16193 From: Ed Bryant <edbryant36@...>
Date: Thu Nov 12, 2009 4:57 pm
Subject: Re: Re: The Good, the Bad and the Ugly (Dolphins)
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A couple of years ago, Tony Dungy screwed around this clock management tool in back to back games.  He got burned when Adam Vinatieri missed from 29 a field goal attempt that would have been good from 24.  So they lost to the Chargers and have since made it a habit.  But if you can bleed the clock, do it.  The Rams left the ball on about the 4 after running out the final eight minutes of the 11 18 2001 game in Foxboro.  Just left it there.  They led by 7, but NE never got a chance to respond one last time.  Well, never on that day!!!!!

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From: kmacalp@... <kmacalp@...>
Subject: [patriotzip] Re: The Good, the Bad and the Ugly (Dolphins)
To: patriotzip@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, November 11, 2009, 6:25 AM

 
- Late in the game, why did we even consider going for it on 4th down. The
gimme FG from 35 yards out makes it a 2 score game. Don't even fool around
with it and take the points. Instead we line up to go for it and take a
false start penalty. It moved us back 5 yards and made it a more difficult
kick. Any other penalty at that point and we are looking at a really tough
FG. If BB was even considering going for it, I say that was dumb.
<George's Response> *** Again, I didn't, and still don't, understand it. With only 1:12
remaining, and the Dolphins lacking a deep passing game, and a very reliable
FG kicker ready, just kick the damn thing! A 10-point lead all but puts it
in the bank against this team ...or any team, for that matter.
 
<Scott> A first down ends the game. Dolphins never touch the ball again.
 
A made field goal still allows the very remote possibility that the Dolphins score and get the onside kick.
 
A missed field goal could be slightly worse than failing to pick up the first down. (Dolphins would have gotten the ball at the spot of the kick.)
 
A blocked field goal returned for a touchdown ties the game.
 
Either decision, go for it or kick it, has its pros and cons. I don't think either decision is bad. Bad results would bring criticism to either choice. Once the penalty moved the Patriots back, it became more difficult to get a first down and the field goal became the clearer choice.
 
Scott Sheaffer

#16192 From: "George" <patswingr@...>
Date: Thu Nov 12, 2009 3:43 am
Subject: RE: Dallas Clark
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The challenge in facing the Colts is that they, much like our Patriots,
have so many buttons they can push to move their offense. That's why Dan
Pees has said that the hope is always to slow them down, since it's nearly
impossible to stop them. They have a deep and talented group of WRs, plus
Clark from TE, plus RBs Addai and Brown, who present a danger both as
receivers and runners.

Those options make it an evolving chess match in every game. Every option
can't be covered on every play. Who'll guess right, our defense, or their
offense? There is no question in my mind that the most important factor for
our defense is finding a way to present a very strong pass rush up the
middle against Manning; and doing so with no more than 4 rushers most of the
time, 5 on occasion.

We do, as has been said, have an advantage when we have the ball, since they
have some significant injuries to their defense. We'll need every advantage
we can get.

There is no question that the Patriots can win this game. There is also no
question that the Colts can win it. It will come down to which defense has
the most success in slowing down the other offense. It will, I am almost
certain, come down to the last possession of the game. In those
circumstances, every play is critical. Officiating is critical. As such, I
think it's literally impossible to predict a winner, with any degree of
confidence. It will, I am totally certain, leave me a nervous wreck, either
way!

George



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One thing which has been on my mind recently involves the defensive strategy
against Dallas Clark.  We know that McGowan has done very well in his two
prior prime Tight End match-ups (Gonzalez of Atlanta and Winslow of Tampa).
Gonzalez had one catch for 15 yards and WInslow had 2 for 9 yards which is a
pretty solid victory by Brandon.  My concern is that the approach of both
are now on tape and Peyton Manning will have considerable footage to review.
Was it simply a matter of McGowan's performance or was the scheme a
fundamental factor as well?  With time to game plan I could see the latter
leading to a concern if the Colts can plan for how to exploit our approach.
If the latter I have a fair bit of confidence McGowan will be joining the
Pats in rising to a tough challenge.

I heard Reiss suggest McGowan would play Clark very physical with help over
the top in a multi-defensive back approach to the game.

Anyone else have any thoughts about what to expect?

Go Pats!
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#16191 From: "RandyZ. Pierce" <alaric02@...>
Date: Wed Nov 11, 2009 9:03 pm
Subject: Dallas Clark
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One thing which has been on my mind recently involves the defensive strategy
against Dallas Clark.  We know that
McGowan has done very well in his two prior prime Tight End match-ups (Gonzalez
of Atlanta and Winslow of Tampa).
Gonzalez had one catch for 15 yards and WInslow had 2 for 9 yards which is a
pretty solid victory by Brandon.  My
concern is that the approach of both are now on tape and Peyton Manning will
have considerable footage to review.  Was
it simply a matter of McGowan's performance or was the scheme a fundamental
factor as well?  With time to game plan I
could see the latter leading to a concern if the Colts can plan for how to
exploit our approach.  If the latter I have
a fair bit of confidence McGowan will be joining the Pats in rising to a tough
challenge.

I heard Reiss suggest McGowan would play Clark very physical with help over the
top in a multi-defensive back approach
to the game.

Anyone else have any thoughts about what to expect?

Go Pats!
Zip

#16190 From: "RandyZ. Pierce" <alaric02@...>
Date: Wed Nov 11, 2009 8:58 pm
Subject: Gilette Crowd Noise - re: Miami
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Interesting that in Reiss' mailbag he has this question and answer:

Q: While it's hard to argue with their home record since opening Gillette
Stadium, it's no secret that the crowd noise
leaves a lot to be desired. Do you agree that it's not much of a home-field
advantage for that reason? Also, have Bob
and Jonathan Kraft considered closing off the open areas of the stadium -- or
looked at any other options -- in order
to seal in the noise? -- Tom (Boston)

A: Tom, from my experience at different NFL venues, I'd put Gillette Stadium in
the mid- to lower level in terms of
home-field advantage from a crowd-noise perspective. I don't think closing the
stadium in is a consideration. One thing
that did interest me this past week was Dolphins coach Tony Sparano citing the
crowd noise as a main reason that
quarterback Chad Henne was penalized for delay of game after calling a timeout
late in the fourth quarter when the
Dolphins didn't have any. I thought that was a sign that while the crowd noise
isn't earsplitting, it has been a factor
at times.




***

I was actually proud of the crowd on most third down situations but the
intensity all through the game is lacking most
of the time.  I certainly don't think the stadium management does enough to
enhance this approach and I know the crowd
can ramp up as I've heard it in some past games.

STill I'll take the little victory against Miami...without Rex Ryan leaving us
all personal messages asking for noise
even...

***

Now I absolutely expect a loud Colts stadium and I hope we handle the noise
better than we did against NY.  Good
offensive communication is fundamental for our offense and we better be prepared
for the noise.

Go Pats!
Zip

#16189 From: Rich Carreiro <rlcarr@...>
Date: Wed Nov 11, 2009 5:45 pm
Subject: Brady asked Goober for medical advice...
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#16188 From: kmacalp@...
Date: Wed Nov 11, 2009 6:25 am
Subject: Re: The Good, the Bad and the Ugly (Dolphins)
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- Late in the game, why did we even consider going for it on 4th down. The
gimme FG from 35 yards out makes it a 2 score game. Don't even fool around
with it and take the points. Instead we line up to go for it and take a
false start penalty. It moved us back 5 yards and made it a more difficult
kick. Any other penalty at that point and we are looking at a really tough
FG. If BB was even considering going for it, I say that was dumb.
<George's Response> *** Again, I didn't, and still don't, understand it. With only 1:12
remaining, and the Dolphins lacking a deep passing game, and a very reliable
FG kicker ready, just kick the damn thing! A 10-point lead all but puts it
in the bank against this team ...or any team, for that matter.
 
<Scott> A first down ends the game. Dolphins never touch the ball again.
 
A made field goal still allows the very remote possibility that the Dolphins score and get the onside kick.
 
A missed field goal could be slightly worse than failing to pick up the first down. (Dolphins would have gotten the ball at the spot of the kick.)
 
A blocked field goal returned for a touchdown ties the game.
 
Either decision, go for it or kick it, has its pros and cons. I don't think either decision is bad. Bad results would bring criticism to either choice. Once the penalty moved the Patriots back, it became more difficult to get a first down and the field goal became the clearer choice.
 
Scott Sheaffer

#16187 From: "George" <patswingr@...>
Date: Wed Nov 11, 2009 1:43 am
Subject: RE: RE: Pats-Jets will remain at 4:15pm
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It's 4:15 here, too. ... That's 4:15 AM, Monday morning! We are 12 hours ahead of EST.
 

George

 


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Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 3:56 AM
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Subject: RE: [patriotzip] RE: Pats-Jets will remain at 4:15pm

 

So what time is it in Thailand for a 4:15 kickoff in Foxborough?







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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 19:26:15 +0700
Subject: RE: [patriotzip] RE: Pats-Jets will remain at 4:15pm



Whatever. I will ALWAYS be tuned in to Patriots' games, whatever the local hour of kickoff!

George

 


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Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 11:52 AM
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Subject: Re: [patriotzip] RE: Pats-Jets will remain at 4:15pm

 
Ouch George! I thought the 7am starts were bad in Hawaii!
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From: "George" <patswingr@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 11:41:02 +0700
To: 'Zip Patriots List'<patriotzip@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [patriotzip] RE: Pats-Jets will remain at 4:15pm

 
DAMN IT! An 8:30 AM start is soooo much better than a 4:15 AM start!

George


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Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 12:24 AM
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Subject: Pats-Jets will remain at 4:15pm

CBS has officially protected the Pats/Jets rematch on 22 Nov, ensuring it
will remain at 4:15p and not get flexed to the evening.

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