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Credit where credit is due: Doctor George has called it, Tate over Nunn onto the roster.

--- On Wed, 10/21/09, Ed Bryant <edbryant36@...> wrote:

From: Ed Bryant <edbryant36@...>
Subject: [patriotzip] RE: The game is actually Sunday night in London, the next 24 hours are for bedrest
To: patriotzip@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, October 21, 2009, 12:40 PM

George, how can you agree "on all points?" Just yesterday, you were ready to start Tate without even examining his knee, and now, he's a rookie, but Edelman is not? Until and unless they IR Edelman, he'll be a rookie all season.

The first game Welker missed and Edelman had to play 83 on television, he caught 8, but Brady aimed at him 14 times!!!!!!

Just for the record, if Tate is better suited to play this week or next week or the week after than Nunn is, I'll eat the fruit of the crab tree!

--- On Wed, 10/21/09, George <patswingr@...> wrote:

From: George <patswingr@...>
Subject: RE: [patriotzip] Re: The next 24 hours...
To: patriotzip@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, October 21, 2009, 9:38 AM

I agree with you on all points, Randy. Branch would have been a great addition for us now. And there can be no doubt about the unpredictability of rookie WRs. (Or any rookie, for that matter.) On our team, it's probably even more so, since there's so much "read and react" in Brady's offense. Good route running, and good hands, are only half of the equation, if that.

Now that Edelman is gone for at least a few weeks, that 3rd WR spot is more important than ever. Without a reasonable threat there, teams can constantly double Moss, and squeeze the short routes to limit Welker, as well as minimize space for RBs to spring big runs.

One solution, for at least a couple of games, until a 3rd WR can emerge, might be more intermediate to long routes for Watson. We know he has the speed for it. What must be combined with that is some different formations and schemes to ensure protection for Brady. Perhaps more 2 RB sets, or Baker in an H-Back set, could do that. Another idea might be varying that 2 RB set by splitting Welker out wider, and putting Faulk or Maroney into the slot as a 3rd WR, with Bee Gee behind Brady.

Whatever option they choose, they must create a credible threat of 3 receivers, two of which are in the intermediate to long range. Moss deep, and Welker short, with nothing else for a D to worry about, won't get it done. Maybe it will against the Bucs, and even Miami; but it certainly won't against the Colts, Jets, and Saints - the following 3 opponents!

George

From: patriotzip@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:patriotzip@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of RandyZ. Pierce
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 8:14 PM
To: patriotzip@yahoogro ups.com
Subject: Re: [patriotzip] Re: The next 24 hours...

The deal with Brandon 3 (Tate) is he doesn't have to count on the roster yet if he is not ready to play in the game.
Our 53 man roster can be a 54 man roster and given that the game day inactive list is getting more fully crowded by
actual injured players this extra roster spot may matter. Now as soon as he's ready to play it's exactly as you
suggest George and I hope we get him out there to see what he's got.

I do not presume for a moment he's going to be a capable NFL receiver. Chad Jackson seemed a sure thing when we
drafted him but until they get on the field and show it there's simply no being certain. At this point I have more
confidence in Nunn and suggest Eddleman has already proven himself far more than Tate. I hope that changes and he's a
wonder but I for one am a little sad we couldn't get Branch back on this team. At the third WR spot he'd be
devestating imo.

Go Pats!
Zip

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#16109

From: "George" <patswingr@...>
Date: Sun Oct 25, 2009 4:09 am
Subject: RE: True Bru

patswingr

Good article about a great guy! Tedy may remain my all-time favorite athlete
for the rest of my life. And I never had the chance to meet the man.

But I gotta tell ya, that pose in the sweater is the GAYEST shot I've seen
of a real man in a long, long time! :-)



George



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#16110

From: "George" <patswingr@...>
Date: Sun Oct 25, 2009 4:24 am
Subject: RE: RE: The game is actually Sunday night in London, the next 24 hours are for bedrest

patswingr

Except that I would have brought both of them up, while Edelman is out with the broken arm. I think there's roster room, isn't there? We are down 2 WRs, with Galloway cut, and Edelman out for a few weeks.

I'm not predicting HOF for Tate, Ed. I'm just hoping that he proves worthy of the high pick. We really do need some long-term talent at WR. Moss can't last forever, and Welker needs a deep threat on the team to make his short to intermediate "magic act" work consistently. I'm not a Tate fan yet. He's got to show me something in some NFL games before I jump on his bandwagon. But I'm pretty well convinced that he won't be a drop off from Galloway!

WR is more of a crap shoot in the high rounds than any other position. Some of them are so dumb they don't know a post from a corner route, and have no idea how to do anything but run and catch the ball. Some of them are so wrapped up in ego that they spend more time posing for cameras than learning plays. And some of them just don't have the hands to catch passes thrown by NFL QBs. A lot of high pick QBs bust too, but WRs seem to be worse.

George

From: patriotzip@yahoogroups.com [mailto:patriotzip@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Ed Bryant
Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2009 7:55 AM
To: patriotzip@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [patriotzip] RE: The game is actually Sunday night in London, the next 24 hours are for bedrest

Credit where credit is due: Doctor George has called it, Tate over Nunn onto the roster.

--- On Wed, 10/21/09, Ed Bryant <edbryant36@...> wrote:

From: Ed Bryant <edbryant36@...>
Subject: [patriotzip] RE: The game is actually Sunday night in London, the next 24 hours are for bedrest
To: patriotzip@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, October 21, 2009, 12:40 PM

George, how can you agree "on all points?" Just yesterday, you were ready to start Tate without even examining his knee, and now, he's a rookie, but Edelman is not? Until and unless they IR Edelman, he'll be a rookie all season.

The first game Welker missed and Edelman had to play 83 on television, he caught 8, but Brady aimed at him 14 times!!!!!!

Just for the record, if Tate is better suited to play this week or next week or the week after than Nunn is, I'll eat the fruit of the crab tree!

--- On Wed, 10/21/09, George <patswingr@...> wrote:

From: George <patswingr@...>
Subject: RE: [patriotzip] Re: The next 24 hours...
To: patriotzip@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, October 21, 2009, 9:38 AM

I agree with you on all points, Randy. Branch would have been a great addition for us now. And there can be no doubt about the unpredictability of rookie WRs. (Or any rookie, for that matter.) On our team, it's probably even more so, since there's so much "read and react" in Brady's offense. Good route running, and good hands, are only half of the equation, if that.

Now that Edelman is gone for at least a few weeks, that 3rd WR spot is more important than ever. Without a reasonable threat there, teams can constantly double Moss, and squeeze the short routes to limit Welker, as well as minimize space for RBs to spring big runs.

One solution, for at least a couple of games, until a 3rd WR can emerge, might be more intermediate to long routes for Watson. We know he has the speed for it. What must be combined with that is some different formations and schemes to ensure protection for Brady. Perhaps more 2 RB sets, or Baker in an H-Back set, could do that. Another idea might be varying that 2 RB set by splitting Welker out wider, and putting Faulk or Maroney into the slot as a 3rd WR, with Bee Gee behind Brady.

Whatever option they choose, they must create a credible threat of 3 receivers, two of which are in the intermediate to long range. Moss deep, and Welker short, with nothing else for a D to worry about, won't get it done. Maybe it will against the Bucs, and even Miami; but it certainly won't against the Colts, Jets, and Saints - the following 3 opponents!

George

From: patriotzip@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:patriotzip@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of RandyZ. Pierce
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 8:14 PM
To: patriotzip@yahoogro ups.com
Subject: Re: [patriotzip] Re: The next 24 hours...

The deal with Brandon 3 (Tate) is he doesn't have to count on the roster yet if he is not ready to play in the game.
Our 53 man roster can be a 54 man roster and given that the game day inactive list is getting more fully crowded by
actual injured players this extra roster spot may matter. Now as soon as he's ready to play it's exactly as you
suggest George and I hope we get him out there to see what he's got.

I do not presume for a moment he's going to be a capable NFL receiver. Chad Jackson seemed a sure thing when we
drafted him but until they get on the field and show it there's simply no being certain. At this point I have more
confidence in Nunn and suggest Eddleman has already proven himself far more than Tate. I hope that changes and he's a
wonder but I for one am a little sad we couldn't get Branch back on this team. At the third WR spot he'd be
devestating imo.

Go Pats!
Zip

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#16111

From: Ed Bryant <edbryant36@...>
Date: Sun Oct 25, 2009 3:44 pm
Subject: RE: RE: The game is actually Sunday night in London, the next 24 hours are for bedrest

edbryant36

When we drafted Tate, I was willing to wait for him to replace Stallworth until 2010.

If he can run like he could before the knee injury, or even close to it, he's a better approximation of what Stallworth did for us than Gaffney was, or Edelman, and Joey Galloway and Tom Brady never panned out at all.

Yesterday, I watched the first half of the Monday Night Game in Foxboro, in which defending AFC Champions failed four times from the 1 against the defending Super Bowl Champions. The Pats were 5-2 after starting out 4-0. No one remembers the muffed kickoff by David Meggett, or Willie Clay and Lawyer Milloy converging ineffectually as Brett Fav-------------re threw the ball between them to Roman Polanski, check that, Mark Chmura, for the TD just before halftime.

The signature of that game was throwing on second, third, and fourth downs from the 1, and not scoring. The signatures of that season involved Kevin Henry, Slash Stewart, and no one remembers we played Pittsburgh the second time without Glenn, Martin, and Meggett, but Glenn and Martin and Meggett and Bledsoe all did good things we can remember.

Poor Joey Galloway doesn't have A Good Thing on his resume from his time as a Patriot, but on that Monday Night Football broadcast, they showed clips from the day before, when the Ancient Seahawk Warren Moon threw a touchdown pass to, yes, Joey Galloway.

Galloway and Fav--------------------re may be out of the league now, but they were something in their day!

What? Minnesota? Greg Lewis???? And we kept Galloway instead of Lewis? Instead of Fav--------------re, OK, but Lewis???????????????????

--- On Sun, 10/25/09, George <patswingr@...> wrote:

From: George <patswingr@...>
Subject: RE: [patriotzip] RE: The game is actually Sunday night in London, the next 24 hours are for bedrest
To: patriotzip@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, October 25, 2009, 12:24 AM

Except that I would have brought both of them up, while Edelman is out with the broken arm. I think there's roster room, isn't there? We are down 2 WRs, with Galloway cut, and Edelman out for a few weeks.

I'm not predicting HOF for Tate, Ed. I'm just hoping that he proves worthy of the high pick. We really do need some long-term talent at WR. Moss can't last forever, and Welker needs a deep threat on the team to make his short to intermediate "magic act" work consistently. I'm not a Tate fan yet. He's got to show me something in some NFL games before I jump on his bandwagon. But I'm pretty well convinced that he won't be a drop off from Galloway!

WR is more of a crap shoot in the high rounds than any other position. Some of them are so dumb they don't know a post from a corner route, and have no idea how to do anything but run and catch the ball. Some of them are so wrapped up in ego that they spend more time posing for cameras than learning plays. And some of them just don't have the hands to catch passes thrown by NFL QBs. A lot of high pick QBs bust too, but WRs seem to be worse.

George

From: patriotzip@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:patriotzip@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Ed Bryant
Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2009 7:55 AM
To: patriotzip@yahoogro ups.com
Subject: Re: [patriotzip] RE: The game is actually Sunday night in London, the next 24 hours are for bedrest

Credit where credit is due: Doctor George has called it, Tate over Nunn onto the roster.

--- On Wed, 10/21/09, Ed Bryant <edbryant36@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: Ed Bryant <edbryant36@yahoo. com>
Subject: [patriotzip] RE: The game is actually Sunday night in London, the next 24 hours are for bedrest
To: patriotzip@yahoogro ups.com
Date: Wednesday, October 21, 2009, 12:40 PM

George, how can you agree "on all points?" Just yesterday, you were ready to start Tate without even examining his knee, and now, he's a rookie, but Edelman is not? Until and unless they IR Edelman, he'll be a rookie all season.

The first game Welker missed and Edelman had to play 83 on television, he caught 8, but Brady aimed at him 14 times!!!!!!

Just for the record, if Tate is better suited to play this week or next week or the week after than Nunn is, I'll eat the fruit of the crab tree!

--- On Wed, 10/21/09, George <patswingr@gmail. com> wrote:

From: George <patswingr@gmail. com>
Subject: RE: [patriotzip] Re: The next 24 hours...
To: patriotzip@yahoogro ups.com
Date: Wednesday, October 21, 2009, 9:38 AM

I agree with you on all points, Randy. Branch would have been a great addition for us now. And there can be no doubt about the unpredictability of rookie WRs. (Or any rookie, for that matter.) On our team, it's probably even more so, since there's so much "read and react" in Brady's offense. Good route running, and good hands, are only half of the equation, if that.

Now that Edelman is gone for at least a few weeks, that 3rd WR spot is more important than ever. Without a reasonable threat there, teams can constantly double Moss, and squeeze the short routes to limit Welker, as well as minimize space for RBs to spring big runs.

One solution, for at least a couple of games, until a 3rd WR can emerge, might be more intermediate to long routes for Watson. We know he has the speed for it. What must be combined with that is some different formations and schemes to ensure protection for Brady. Perhaps more 2 RB sets, or Baker in an H-Back set, could do that. Another idea might be varying that 2 RB set by splitting Welker out wider, and putting Faulk or Maroney into the slot as a 3rd WR, with Bee Gee behind Brady.

Whatever option they choose, they must create a credible threat of 3 receivers, two of which are in the intermediate to long range. Moss deep, and Welker short, with nothing else for a D to worry about, won't get it done. Maybe it will against the Bucs, and even Miami; but it certainly won't against the Colts, Jets, and Saints - the following 3 opponents!

George

From: patriotzip@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:patriotzip@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of RandyZ. Pierce
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 8:14 PM
To: patriotzip@yahoogro ups.com
Subject: Re: [patriotzip] Re: The next 24 hours...

The deal with Brandon 3 (Tate) is he doesn't have to count on the roster yet if he is not ready to play in the game.
Our 53 man roster can be a 54 man roster and given that the game day inactive list is getting more fully crowded by
actual injured players this extra roster spot may matter. Now as soon as he's ready to play it's exactly as you
suggest George and I hope we get him out there to see what he's got.

I do not presume for a moment he's going to be a capable NFL receiver. Chad Jackson seemed a sure thing when we
drafted him but until they get on the field and show it there's simply no being certain. At this point I have more
confidence in Nunn and suggest Eddleman has already proven himself far more than Tate. I hope that changes and he's a
wonder but I for one am a little sad we couldn't get Branch back on this team. At the third WR spot he'd be
devestating imo.

Go Pats!
Zip

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#16112

From: "George" <patswingr@...>
Date: Mon Oct 26, 2009 4:57 am
Subject: BLOWOUT SUNDAY!

patswingr

Their were 6 games that had a margin of 28 points of more today. Only two games were decided by a TD or less. It was like the opening weekend of the Big Ten season, when they all play teams that are never seen on the SportsCenter scoreboard for the rest of the year! :-)

I wonder if this set some sort of NFL record. It's certainly rare, as far as I can recall.

George

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#16113

From: kmacalp@...
Date: Mon Oct 26, 2009 4:32 am
Subject: Saints Threatening 2007 Pats Records?

kmacalp

Right now the Saints are on a pace to break the 2007 Patriots' record for points in a season. They're scoring more per game than the '07 Pats AND, for now, they remain undefeated. Plus here's a big difference between the teams which helps the Saints. New Orleans plays in a dome, and their divisional foes are southern teams. They don't have a lot of games in the northeast in bad weather late in the year. The Saints may not face as much of an offensive drop off late in the year as New England did.

On the other hand, the Saints are doing this despite back to back sub par performances by Drew Brees against the Bills and the Jets. Both ended up being Saints wins. Then Brees throws 3 picks and loses a fumble yesterday. Saints still score 46 and come back from a 21 point deficit. Scary.

Their defense gets lots of turnovers, but it does seem vulnerable at times.

Scott Sheaffer

#16114

From: "George" <patswingr@...>
Date: Mon Oct 26, 2009 12:52 pm
Subject: RE: Saints Threatening 2007 Pats Records?

patswingr

Well, I'd rather see the Saints win the NFC championship than have it go to the Giants. The Vikings would be OK with me too; although I dread the media overkill on Favre. (That despite the fact that I personally remain a Favre fan.) I don't have many "I hate' em" teams in the NFC. Cowboys, because of Jones, are in that group; but I don't think we have to worry about them this season. I have a few of them in the AFC! :-)

George

From: patriotzip@yahoogroups.com [mailto:patriotzip@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of kmacalp@...
Sent: Monday, October 26, 2009 3:33 PM
To: patriotzip@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [patriotzip] Saints Threatening 2007 Pats Records?

Their defense gets lots of turnovers, but it does seem vulnerable at times.

Scott Sheaffer

#16115

From: "Dave L" <usrtdsl@...>
Date: Mon Oct 26, 2009 5:38 pm
Subject: The Good, the Bad and the Ugly (Bucs)

usrtdsl

The Good
- I'm watching the first series and see Merriweather playing off the WR on 3rd
and 4.  I say "he's baiting the QB into the throw" and will pick this off.  Sure
enough, at the snap he slowly moves forward and breaks on the ball as soon as
the QB makes his motion. 30 yards later and I am right.  Overall, Merriweater's
hands have improved dramatically.  He has become a very good player.
- Our screen game is really good to the WRs.  They all seem to time their blocks
very well and the OL can get out there to make plays down the field.  Everyone
who catches the ball has the ability to make the 1st guy miss, which is all that
they need.
- Nice to see Tate get a touch or 2.  He looked really fast on the end around. 
He was on the field quite a bit.
- Is there a more appropriate sponsor for bull riding than PBR?  I don't think
so.
- Chung got some early playing time.  Nice to see him get some live action.
- When I want ketchup on my dog, I just call my dog.  Thanks Dawg.
- I like the fact that the refs got together and discussed the holding and delay
of game penalties and got the call right.  They gave BB the option of a 10 yard
penalty and repeat the down or a 5 yard penalty with a loss of down.  Both calls
were correct and only 1 could be enforced.
- Is it cheating to run a slant and use the umpire as a pick?  I didn't think
so.
- Maroney played well again.  He didn't dance much but instead waited for the
hole to develop.  When it didn't, he lowered his head and took the D for a ride.
- Aiken has plenty of speed.  I think he can actually be our 3rd WR.
- The Watson seam route is classic Brady.  He knows his player is going to get
open so he just looks the safety off and throws it up.  Great play call and
great execution on both ends.
- Saw a sign for York, ME, Hanover, NH and Lincoln, VT.  Nice to see New England
represented across the pond.
- Our 4th quarter drive is the type of drive that just demoralizes a team and
puts the game away.
- Faulk got his 2 catches which gives him 400 for the career.
- The Pats scored 80 unanswered points before the pass to Bryant.

The Bad
- Brady's throw to Moss that was picked in the EZ was a terrible decision.  Moss
was covered well with a safety helping.  Brady was on the move and trying to hit
a 1 in a million throw.  He had a huge lane that he could have run for at least
10 yards.  Poor choice.  I think his other pick was supposed to be thrown away
but he under threw the covered Aiken and it was picked.
- Both Moss and Warren get hurt just before they are going to come out of the
game anyway.  Moss didn't look too bad and probably could have played if we
needed him to.  Warren getting carted off is not good.  At least we have 2 weeks
to heal.
- Was Mankins playing the same snap count as everyone else?  3 false starts?
- Our O really didn't look good at times.  The opening drive was very slow and
it didn't look like anyone was really fired up.  I can understand with the
talent of the opponent and the different city but when there are only 16 that
determine a season...

The Ugly
- The playbook page with the fake end around to Welker, fake screen to the RB
and then screen to Welker play has to get shredded.  It just took too damn long
to happen and everyone was covered.
- Penalties on 3rd and 1 and 4th and 1 will be killer against better teams. 
When you convert on a fake punt but it's called back for a penalty, that's bad.
We need to clean up the false starts.
- I am tempted to put this under good but the Dolphins collapse against NO was
just plain ugly.  The NO O is for real.
- Oakland, St Louis, Tampa Bay, Cleveland, Carolina, Tennessee.

Dave

#16116

From: "George" <patswingr@...>
Date: Tue Oct 27, 2009 12:42 am
Subject: RE: The Good, the Bad and the Ugly (Bucs)

patswingr

I had the feeling that the "trickery" early in the game was intentionally run to put something on film for Miami to worry about.

You forgot that KC and Detroit belong among those "Ugly" teams also.

George

From: patriotzip@yahoogroups.com [mailto:patriotzip@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dave L
Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2009 12:38 AM
To: patriotzip@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [patriotzip] The Good, the Bad and the Ugly (Bucs)

The Good
- I'm watching the first series and see Merriweather playing off the WR on 3rd and 4. I say "he's baiting the QB into the throw" and will pick this off. Sure enough, at the snap he slowly moves forward and breaks on the ball as soon as the QB makes his motion. 30 yards later and I am right. Overall, Merriweater's hands have improved dramatically. He has become a very good player.
- Our screen game is really good to the WRs. They all seem to time their blocks very well and the OL can get out there to make plays down the field. Everyone who catches the ball has the ability to make the 1st guy miss, which is all that they need.
- Nice to see Tate get a touch or 2. He looked really fast on the end around. He was on the field quite a bit.
- Is there a more appropriate sponsor for bull riding than PBR? I don't think so.
- Chung got some early playing time. Nice to see him get some live action.
- When I want ketchup on my dog, I just call my dog. Thanks Dawg.
- I like the fact that the refs got together and discussed the holding and delay of game penalties and got the call right. They gave BB the option of a 10 yard penalty and repeat the down or a 5 yard penalty with a loss of down. Both calls were correct and only 1 could be enforced.
- Is it cheating to run a slant and use the umpire as a pick? I didn't think so.
- Maroney played well again. He didn't dance much but instead waited for the hole to develop. When it didn't, he lowered his head and took the D for a ride.
- Aiken has plenty of speed. I think he can actually be our 3rd WR.
- The Watson seam route is classic Brady. He knows his player is going to get open so he just looks the safety off and throws it up. Great play call and great execution on both ends.
- Saw a sign for York, ME, Hanover, NH and Lincoln, VT. Nice to see New England represented across the pond.
- Our 4th quarter drive is the type of drive that just demoralizes a team and puts the game away.
- Faulk got his 2 catches which gives him 400 for the career.
- The Pats scored 80 unanswered points before the pass to Bryant.

The Bad
- Brady's throw to Moss that was picked in the EZ was a terrible decision. Moss was covered well with a safety helping. Brady was on the move and trying to hit a 1 in a million throw. He had a huge lane that he could have run for at least 10 yards. Poor choice. I think his other pick was supposed to be thrown away but he under threw the covered Aiken and it was picked.
- Both Moss and Warren get hurt just before they are going to come out of the game anyway. Moss didn't look too bad and probably could have played if we needed him to. Warren getting carted off is not good. At least we have 2 weeks to heal.
- Was Mankins playing the same snap count as everyone else? 3 false starts?
- Our O really didn't look good at times. The opening drive was very slow and it didn't look like anyone was really fired up. I can understand with the talent of the opponent and the different city but when there are only 16 that determine a season...

The Ugly
- The playbook page with the fake end around to Welker, fake screen to the RB and then screen to Welker play has to get shredded. It just took too damn long to happen and everyone was covered.
- Penalties on 3rd and 1 and 4th and 1 will be killer against better teams. When you convert on a fake punt but it's called back for a penalty, that's bad. We need to clean up the false starts.
- I am tempted to put this under good but the Dolphins collapse against NO was just plain ugly. The NO O is for real.
- Oakland, St Louis, Tampa Bay, Cleveland, Carolina, Tennessee.

Dave

#16117

From: "George" <patswingr@...>
Date: Tue Oct 27, 2009 12:46 pm
Subject: Taylor or Morris Back First?

patswingr

Has anybody read or heard anything on the prospects for Fred Taylor or Sammy Morris? I'm wondering which of them is likely to return to action first. Since neither injury was bad enough to put them on IR, it's a question worth asking. Don't the Boston papers have any intrepid reporters who can "spy" on the players' houses, and let us know how they look?

(NO, I'm still not converted into a Maroney fan!)

George

#16118

From: Ed Bryant <edbryant36@...>
Date: Tue Oct 27, 2009 5:00 pm
Subject: Re: Taylor or Morris Back First?

edbryant36

There used to be a DJ on either WCOZ or WBCN; I'm pretty sure it was COZ. His name was George Taylor Morris. This is the perfect opportunity to off-load this info.

Taylor had surgery to repair stretched beyond healthy ankle ligaments.

NE isn't saying a word about Morris's lower body injury.

With Taylor, early on, the Patriots made the Ted Washington decision: we brought him in for better chances at a championship run, and we'll tough it out, hoping he'll be back in time to help. At upwards of 340, Washington nevertheless was back in time for the Indy game on 11 20 03, after he broke his leg in Game 3 versus the Jets in late September.

A running back's ankle is a very different deal than a broken leg bone in a big guy.

Morris, IIRC, has gone on IR once or twice in two season with NE before this one. I'm just sayin'!

--- On Tue, 10/27/09, George <patswingr@...> wrote:

From: George <patswingr@...>
Subject: [patriotzip] Taylor or Morris Back First?
To: patriotzip@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, October 27, 2009, 8:46 AM

Has anybody read or heard anything on the prospects for Fred Taylor or Sammy Morris? I'm wondering which of them is likely to return to action first. Since neither injury was bad enough to put them on IR, it's a question worth asking. Don't the Boston papers have any intrepid reporters who can "spy" on the players' houses, and let us know how they look?

(NO, I'm still not converted into a Maroney fan!)

George

#16119

From: "RandyZ. Pierce" <alaric02@...>
Date: Wed Oct 28, 2009 12:00 pm
Subject: Bruschi on Tap

PatriotZip

I wish I could find this link more readily most of the time but for now and
until I find a way to RSS him, here's a
worthy read by some old player:

http://sports.espn.go.com/boston/columns/story?columnist=bruschi_tedy&id=4594829




Go Pats!
Zip
It slows down today...really

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#16120

From: Aamir Majeed <majeedaamir@...>
Date: Wed Oct 28, 2009 7:43 pm
Subject: The Patriots are not playing this weekend

majeedaamir...

I have been traveling and was not aware until I returned to my home that our Patriots are not playing this week which I find disappointing. But maybe this is a good time for them to take a break since we are almost halfway through this season. I wonder if they give the players some time off or whether they practice throughout this time period. My employer tells me he is taking me and my 7 year old son to the stadium when we play these Dolphins. I have sewn a Patriots emblem on one of my turbans for this occasion. Won't my employer be surprised!

I am very happy with our Patriots performance over the last two weeks. I hope this is a sign of what we can expect the second half of this season to be like!

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#16121

From: "Don Diamant" <jeepndd@...>
Date: Wed Oct 28, 2009 8:40 pm
Subject: RE: The Patriots are not playing this weekend

jeepndd

Aamir, everyone I know who wears a turban does so to honor their religion whether they be a Sikh or Muslim sect. Not one of them would ever contemplate doing as you have described, sewing a Patriots emblem on their turban. It would to them be an act of blaspheme against their religion.

Don

From: patriotzip@yahoogroups.com [mailto:patriotzip@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Aamir Majeed
Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 3:43 PM
To: patriotzip@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [patriotzip] The Patriots are not playing this weekend

#16122

From: Aamir Majeed <majeedaamir@...>
Date: Wed Oct 28, 2009 9:35 pm
Subject: Re: The Patriots are not playing this weekend

majeedaamir...

No, Don, we have a wide spectrum of believers. Some believe in having some fun with whom we are and some do not. Perhaps you might understand it better if you thought of it as the difference between Hasidic Jews and reformed Jews. Believe it or not, some of us DO have a sense of humor. And calling upon our God to support our Patriots by having a Patriot emblem on a turban we wear to the stadium makes us smile.

From: Don Diamant <jeepndd@...>
To: patriotzip@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, October 28, 2009 4:40:33 PM
Subject: RE: [patriotzip] The Patriots are not playing this weekend

Don

From: patriotzip@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:patriotzip@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Aamir Majeed
Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 3:43 PM
To: patriotzip@yahoogro ups.com
Subject: [patriotzip] The Patriots are not playing this weekend

#16123

From: "Dave L" <usrtdsl@...>
Date: Thu Oct 29, 2009 12:40 pm
Subject: Re: The Patriots are not playing this weekend

usrtdsl

There are different levels in all religions.

I have a yalmulke with a Matzoh pattern on it.  My son has one in the shape of a
football.

It doesn't matter what the moderates do.  It's the extremists in all religions
that will have a hard time with it anyway.  (According to my orhodox cousin, his
parents are "real" Jews because they don't listen to his wacko rabbi and follow
his rules).

Can't we all just get along?  Well, except for Jets fans that is.  They are
direct spawn of the devil.

Dave (The Yankees lose, thhhheeee Yankees lose)


--- In patriotzip@yahoogroups.com, Aamir Majeed <majeedaamir@...> wrote:
>
> No, Don, we have a wide spectrum of believers. Some believe in having some fun
with whom we are and some do not. Perhaps you might understand it better if you
thought of it as the difference between Hasidic Jews and reformed Jews. Believe
it or not, some of us DO have a sense of humor. And calling upon our God to
support our Patriots by having a Patriot emblem on a turban we wear to the
stadium makes us smile.
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Don Diamant <jeepndd@...>
> To: patriotzip@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wed, October 28, 2009 4:40:33 PM
> Subject: RE: [patriotzip] The Patriots are not playing this weekend
>
>
> Aamir, everyone I know who wears a turban
> does so to honor their religion whether they be a Sikh or Muslim sect.
> Not one of them would ever contemplate doing as you have described, sewing a
> Patriots emblem on their turban. It would to them be an act of blaspheme
against
> their religion.
>
> Don
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> From:patriotzip@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:patriotzip@ yahoogroups. com] On
Behalf Of Aamir Majeed
> Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009
> 3:43 PM
> To: patriotzip@yahoogro ups.com
> Subject: [patriotzip] The Patriots
> are not playing this weekend
>
>
> I have been traveling and was not aware until I returned to my home
> that our Patriots are not playing this week which I find disappointing. But
> maybe this is a good time for them to take a break since we are almost halfway
> through this season. I wonder if they give the players some time off or
whether
> they practice throughout this time period. My employer tells me he is taking
me
> and my 7 year old son to the stadium when we play these Dolphins. I have sewn
a
> Patriots emblem on one of my turbans for this occasion. Won't my employer be
> surprised!
>
> I am very happy with our Patriots performance over the last two weeks. I hope
> this is a sign of what we can expect the second half of this season to be
like!
>

#16124

From: Ed Bryant <edbryant36@...>
Date: Thu Oct 29, 2009 1:17 pm
Subject: Re: Re: The Patriots are not playing this weekend

edbryant36

It would not be faith if one knew. If one is blessed with faith, it means one does not know. When one is pushing one's faith aggfessively, one needs to be asked tricky questions.

And if god ever asks you to fly a plane into a building, barbecuing children in the process, please, please, please, ask for a second opinion!!!!!!

--- On Thu, 10/29/09, Dave L <usrtdsl@...> wrote:

From: Dave L <usrtdsl@...>
Subject: [patriotzip] Re: The Patriots are not playing this weekend
To: patriotzip@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, October 29, 2009, 8:40 AM

There are different levels in all religions.

I have a yalmulke with a Matzoh pattern on it. My son has one in the shape of a football.

It doesn't matter what the moderates do. It's the extremists in all religions that will have a hard time with it anyway. (According to my orhodox cousin, his parents are "real" Jews because they don't listen to his wacko rabbi and follow his rules).

Can't we all just get along? Well, except for Jets fans that is. They are direct spawn of the devil.

Dave (The Yankees lose, thhhheeee Yankees lose)

--- In patriotzip@yahoogro ups.com, Aamir Majeed <majeedaamir@ ...> wrote:
>
> No, Don, we have a wide spectrum of believers. Some believe in having some fun with whom we are and some do not. Perhaps you might understand it better if you thought of it as the difference between Hasidic Jews and reformed Jews. Believe it or not, some of us DO have a sense of humor. And calling upon our God to support our Patriots by having a Patriot emblem on a turban we wear to the stadium makes us smile.
>
>
>
>
> ____________ _________ _________ __
> From: Don Diamant <jeepndd@... >
> To: patriotzip@yahoogro ups.com
> Sent: Wed, October 28, 2009 4:40:33 PM
> Subject: RE: [patriotzip] The Patriots are not playing this weekend
>
>
> Aamir, everyone I know who wears a turban
> does so to honor their religion whether they be a Sikh or Muslim sect.
> Not one of them would ever contemplate doing as you have described, sewing a
> Patriots emblem on their turban. It would to them be an act of blaspheme against
> their religion.
>
> Don
>
>
> ____________ _________ _________ __
>
> From:patriotzip@ yahoogro ups.com [mailto:patriotzip@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Aamir Majeed
> Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009
> 3:43 PM
> To: patriotzip@yahoogro ups.com
> Subject: [patriotzip] The Patriots
> are not playing this weekend
>
>
> I have been traveling and was not aware until I returned to my home
> that our Patriots are not playing this week which I find disappointing. But
> maybe this is a good time for them to take a break since we are almost halfway
> through this season. I wonder if they give the players some time off or whether
> they practice throughout this time period. My employer tells me he is taking me
> and my 7 year old son to the stadium when we play these Dolphins. I have sewn a
> Patriots emblem on one of my turbans for this occasion. Won't my employer be
> surprised!
>
> I am very happy with our Patriots performance over the last two weeks. I hope
> this is a sign of what we can expect the second half of this season to be like!
>

#16125

From: Steve Basile <avatar@...>
Date: Thu Oct 29, 2009 4:39 pm
Subject: Re: Re: The Patriots are not playing this weekend

austin_fella

Lest this stray too far afield, who ARE we watching this weekend? (with our matzoh yarmulkes and Pats-enhanced turbans, and in my case, a Yankees cap)

I’ll be a temporary Miami/Philly/San Fran/Ravens fan at midday, then probably watching the Lambeau lambasting of the returning Favre.

Talk about persecution: I’m a former New Yorker who lived in New England, and few are as persecuted in a gang of Pats fans as the token Yankee fan.

I like our chances this weekend.

--
Steve Basile
Manager
B.D. Riley's Irish Pub
Austin, TX
Official Home: Austin Patriots Club
Web: www.bdrileys.com

#16126

From: "Dave L" <usrtdsl@...>
Date: Thu Oct 29, 2009 9:02 pm
Subject: Re: The Patriots are not playing this weekend

usrtdsl

Similar to you I will be a temporary Baltimore, San Fran, Miami Oakland fan. 
Come 4, I will be a hard core supporter of the Vikings, hoping Fav-re throws a
wild pick to seal it in the final drive.  I would like a good game (and I think
it will be too).

A Denver and Indy loss is all I would really like.  The others are just for fun.

Dave (we will beat the Jets in a rematch)

--- In patriotzip@yahoogroups.com, Steve Basile <avatar@...> wrote:
>
> Lest this stray too far afield, who ARE we watching this weekend? (with our
> matzoh yarmulkes and Pats-enhanced turbans, and in my case, a Yankees cap)
>
> I�ll be a temporary Miami/Philly/San Fran/Ravens fan at midday, then
> probably watching the Lambeau lambasting of the returning Favre.
>
> Talk about persecution: I�m a former New Yorker who lived in New England,
> and few are as persecuted in a gang of Pats fans as the token Yankee fan.
>
> I like our chances this weekend.
>
> --
> Steve Basile
> Manager
> B.D. Riley's Irish Pub
> Austin, TX
> Official Home: Austin Patriots Club
> Web: www.bdrileys.com
>

#16127

From: "RandyZ. Pierce" <alaric02@...>
Date: Fri Oct 30, 2009 6:28 pm
Subject: This weekend's game Re: Re: The Patriots are not playing this weekend

PatriotZip

I might be in the minority and it usually isn't this way for me but...I'm glad
to have the bye.  I love that we
finished a couple of easier opponents with a clear and definitive break that
let's us really focus and prepare for a
very telling month of November.  I don't like that Tom got the Offensive Player
of the Month for a few reasons but
ultimately this week off I can watch a few of our opponents ahead and think
about our resting, healing and getting
ready to start the second 'half' of the season.

I'm going to enjoy either team losing in the Jets-Miami game and take comfort
that we control our destiny at this point
which is what I always hope exists for us every game we ever play.  THat way we
get what we deserve each and every
time.  Rooting for teams to lose to help us is often an excercise in futility. 
Neither Joey Porter nor Rex Ryan can be
disappointed enough in the results of their game so I'll hope it's quality fun
football which makes it clear to the
Patriots they need to earn their wins against each of these teams.

Now Indy and Denver losing will potentially help us down the road so I might
have a little extra hope there but
ultimately it's a relaxing weekend with low investment for me emotionally in any
of the results.


Go Pats!
Zip

#16128

From: "RandyZ. Pierce" <alaric02@...>
Date: Fri Oct 30, 2009 6:45 pm
Subject: LPC: Fw: Save the Date for Jarvis Green!

PatriotZip

I cannot stress how much the Nashua venue has improved over the years.  This is
a slightly new location at a BBQ-house
at the southern end of Nashua and so it will be slightly different but the same
folks are running it which has
generally meant a fantastic experience.  I personally won't pass on the chance
and like it more with all proceeds going
to Jarvis' Katrina relief charity.

More details when they arrive...

Go Pats!
Zip

----- Original Message -----
From: "Dennis Boyer" <dennisboyer@...>
To: "Dennis Boyer" <dennisbboyer@...>
Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 10:50 AM
Subject: Save the Date for Jarvis Green!


> Hi everyone,
>
> Just wanted to give you all a quick head's up - Save the date!  Jarvis Green,
2-time Superbowl Champion and Patriots
> Starting Defensive End will be appearing and signing autographs at a New
England Player Promotions event on Monday
> Nov. 16th at Smokey Bones (just passed the Pheasant Lane Mall in Nashua, NH). 
Please join us for a meet and greet,
> autographs, vendor tables, raffles, give-aways, a silent auction to benefit
the Jarvis Green Foundation, food &
> drink, and Monday Night Football!  Should be a blast!  More details will be
coming shortly so stay in touch....
>
>
> -Den
>
>
> Dennis Boyer
> New England Player Promotions
> www.neplayerpromotions.com
> dennisboyer@...
> 603-943-2472


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#16129

From: Rich Carreiro <rlcarr@...>
Date: Fri Oct 30, 2009 7:14 pm
Subject: My eyes! My eyes!

Rich_Carr

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/images/10/28/bill-belichick.jpg

--
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#16130

From: David Brunat <brewgnat@...>
Date: Fri Oct 30, 2009 7:40 pm
Subject: Re: My eyes! My eyes!

BrewGnat

Okay, there's a lot going on here. First BB. Is that a Beatles or Charlie Hustle hairdo he's sporting? The shorts are obscene. I can't believe we wore them that short in the 70's. now for the other cat. Really bad 70's hairdo. No belt, but if he had one it would have been white. Dress pants and T-shirt was never in style. Pants hiked up high enough to make Steve Erkle proud.

The BrewGnat

--- On Fri, 10/30/09, Rich Carreiro <rlcarr@...> wrote:

From: Rich Carreiro <rlcarr@...>
Subject: My eyes! My eyes!
To: "Bosco Pats List" <patriots@...>, "Zip Patriots List" <patriotzip@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Friday, October 30, 2009, 3:14 PM

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/images/10/28/bill-belichick.jpg

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#16131

From: Ed Bryant <edbryant36@...>
Date: Fri Oct 30, 2009 7:46 pm
Subject: Re: Re: My eyes! My eyes!

edbryant36

Mr. Adams spent his life watching NFL games on film. In a dark room. Where no one cares how you're dressed.

According to David Halberstam's book, Adams went up to his Andover Classmate and asked if he was related to Steve Belichick, and they've been tight ever since BB said he was.

--- On Fri, 10/30/09, David Brunat <brewgnat@...> wrote:

From: David Brunat <brewgnat@...>
Subject: [patriotzip] Re: My eyes! My eyes!
To: "Bosco Pats List" <patriots@...>, "Zip Patriots List" <patriotzip@yahoogroups.com>, "Rich Carreiro" <rlcarr@...>
Date: Friday, October 30, 2009, 3:40 PM

Okay, there's a lot going on here. First BB. Is that a Beatles or Charlie Hustle hairdo he's sporting? The shorts are obscene. I can't believe we wore them that short in the 70's. now for the other cat. Really bad 70's hairdo. No belt, but if he had one it would have been white. Dress pants and T-shirt was never in style. Pants hiked up high enough to make Steve Erkle proud.

The BrewGnat

--- On Fri, 10/30/09, Rich Carreiro <rlcarr@rlcarr. com> wrote:

From: Rich Carreiro <rlcarr@rlcarr. com>
Subject: My eyes! My eyes!
To: "Bosco Pats List" <patriots@bosco. net>, "Zip Patriots List" <patriotzip@yahoogro ups.com>
Date: Friday, October 30, 2009, 3:14 PM

http://sportsillust rated.cnn. com/2009/ images/10/ 28/bill-belichic k.jpg

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#16132

From: Ed Bryant <edbryant36@...>
Date: Fri Oct 30, 2009 8:01 pm
Subject: Re: This weekend's game Re: Re: The Patriots are not playing this weekend

edbryant36

Imagine being the comedian who has to go on right after Robin Williams: this must be a little of what it was like to have to be the 2004 New England Patriots.

"This is so unfair! You guys had Ty Law and Ty Poole and Asante Samuel; we have Earthwind Moreland and Troy Brown..."

And yet, those 2004 New England Patriots were forced to go on the road at 14-2, and would have been forced to do so at 15-1, because that one loss came in Pittsburgh on this weekend in 2004.

Now, last weekend, we got precious little help: the Bears, 9'ers, Vikings, Rams, Panthers, and Raiders all failed to help us: when St. Crispin's Day was over, only the Saints had pitched in, with their win over the Dolphins.

NE could run the table now, and easily take the division, but we have only one game left head to head with Indy, and we trail the Broncos by two wins and a tie-breaker. So: if we assume the gods will not punish us for hoping we can win our division, what does Halloween 2004 tell us about help?

We got crushed by the Steelers that day, and so had to go back there to get to a Super Bowl, but we won, and it made it a better story than if we'd already beaten Pittsburgh, or if we won that one at home. If for some reason the 2009 Patriots had to go to Denver or to Indy or to both to win the AFC, well, to win a playoff game in either town is something we've never done.

Now, I'm not advocating losing in Indy on November 15. But NE could avenge the January 2006 loss in Denver, the 1987 loss in Denver, and the October 2009 loss in overtime in Denver all at once if forced to go to Denver in January, and even if we win in Indy in two weeks, our last playoff game versus Indy, we lost. So vengeance could be available!

It's probably time to stop relying on the offense to score 60 each week, especially with the bye and all!

--- On Fri, 10/30/09, RandyZ. Pierce <alaric02@...> wrote:

From: RandyZ. Pierce <alaric02@...>
Subject: This weekend's game Re: [patriotzip] Re: The Patriots are not playing this weekend
To: patriotzip@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, October 30, 2009, 2:28 PM

I might be in the minority and it usually isn't this way for me but...I'm glad to have the bye. I love that we
finished a couple of easier opponents with a clear and definitive break that let's us really focus and prepare for a
very telling month of November. I don't like that Tom got the Offensive Player of the Month for a few reasons but
ultimately this week off I can watch a few of our opponents ahead and think about our resting, healing and getting
ready to start the second 'half' of the season.

I'm going to enjoy either team losing in the Jets-Miami game and take comfort that we control our destiny at this point
which is what I always hope exists for us every game we ever play. THat way we get what we deserve each and every
time. Rooting for teams to lose to help us is often an excercise in futility. Neither Joey Porter nor Rex Ryan can be
disappointed enough in the results of their game so I'll hope it's quality fun football which makes it clear to the
Patriots they need to earn their wins against each of these teams.

Now Indy and Denver losing will potentially help us down the road so I might have a little extra hope there but
ultimately it's a relaxing weekend with low investment for me emotionally in any of the results.

Go Pats!
Zip

#16133

From: Aamir Majeed <majeedaamir@...>
Date: Fri Oct 30, 2009 8:37 pm
Subject: Re: My eyes! My eyes!

majeedaamir...

Oh, this seems rather embarrassing to me. Who is the gentleman next to BB with his pant's pulled up to his nipples and no belt, just those empty belt loops? I am afraid BB looks to be this gentleman's young man date. If I were BB, I would gladly pay someone a fortune to take this photo out of circulation.

From: Rich Carreiro <rlcarr@...>
To: Bosco Pats List <patriots@...>; Zip Patriots List <patriotzip@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Fri, October 30, 2009 3:14:48 PM
Subject: [patriotzip] My eyes! My eyes!

http://sportsillust rated.cnn. com/2009/ images/10/ 28/bill-belichic k.jpg

--
Rich Carreiro rlcarr@rlcarr. com

#16134

From: Mark Morse <packy001@...>
Date: Fri Oct 30, 2009 9:50 pm
Subject: Re: This weekend's game Re: Re: The Patriots are not playing this weekend

packy001

I want them to tie ... screw em both!!!!

From: RandyZ. Pierce <alaric02@...>
To: patriotzip@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, October 30, 2009 2:28:37 PM
Subject: This weekend's game Re: [patriotzip] Re: The Patriots are not playing this weekend

I might be in the minority and it usually isn't this way for me but...I'm glad to have the bye. I love that we
finished a couple of easier opponents with a clear and definitive break that let's us really focus and prepare for a
very telling month of November. I don't like that Tom got the Offensive Player of the Month for a few reasons but
ultimately this week off I can watch a few of our opponents ahead and think about our resting, healing and getting
ready to start the second 'half' of the season.

I'm going to enjoy either team losing in the Jets-Miami game and take comfort that we control our destiny at this point
which is what I always hope exists for us every game we ever play. THat way we get what we deserve each and every
time. Rooting for teams to lose to help us is often an excercise in futility. Neither Joey Porter nor Rex Ryan can be
disappointed enough in the results of their game so I'll hope it's quality fun football which makes it clear to the
Patriots they need to earn their wins against each of these teams.

Now Indy and Denver losing will potentially help us down the road so I might have a little extra hope there but
ultimately it's a relaxing weekend with low investment for me emotionally in any of the results.

Go Pats!
Zip

#16135

From: "George" <patswingr@...>
Date: Sat Oct 31, 2009 4:29 am
Subject: RE: This weekend's game Re: Re: The Patriots are not playing this weekend

patswingr

We are very fortunate to get the bye week at this particular place in our schedule. A week to heal some bumps and bruises (and worse) in near mid-season is a definite plus over having a bye in Week 4 or 5. I have always felt the the "staggered" bye week policy is unfair, within a given season. The teams getting it later, closer to the playoffs, get a clear advantage, IMO, over those getting it early. (As an avid Fantasy Football player, I also hate this process for that reason. It really screws with your roster changes, requiring some careful moves to try to weave through the land mines of bye weeks for your best players.)

I don't understand why the NFL doesn't feel that they could come up with some outstanding programming to fill a "common" bye week. This would be the one I'd suggest - the first weekend in November. It is, after all, the weekend when they compete with the World Series. (This old school baseball fan can't believe that there's no more "Mr October". Baseball in snow, and temperatures in the 40's or lower. Nice.)

As for our team, the BB plan is always to do the "self analysis" for much of the bye week. There isn't time for a thorough review of our own play in the one week span between most games; although, of course, there is always review of the last game film, and teaching points to be gained from that. This week long review adds the ability to look for, and eliminate, negative tendencies or "tip offs"; as well as study the progress of players through the first 7 games. Who's getting better? Who's slipping back? Why? What did we do that worked well, and should, perhaps, be done more often? What have we been doing that rarely works, and should, perhaps, be dropped from the playbook?

I fully expect the Patriots to come out of the bye week a much stronger team, in every way. BB is certainly famous for his ability to analyze and plan, when given extra time. This particular season, with Mayo now healthy, and Guyton and the amazing McGowan more experienced; I'll be very surprised if the Dolphins have much success with the Wildcat formation. I am a little concerned about Warren, since, as usual, we have no information on the status of the injury he suffered in London. But it does seem that A. Thomas has received a wake up call, and should be more of a factor on that side.)

As for this week, I share your thoughts, Randy. The first game here (which now begins at 1 AM, rather than midnight, thanks to the ending of Daylight Savings Time) will be the media favorite - Farvings ... I mean, Vikings ... at Green Bay. But I'll try to watch the Dolphins - Jets game on my laptop, if my internet signal holds up. An upset by the Dolphins wouldn't shock me, and would be the preferred outcome. The other games that I'll be checking on the scoreboard are the 49ers - Colts (which has little hope for an upset, IMO), and the Broncos - Ravens, which is really tough to call. Could be a great game that I may switch to now on then on the internet.

It should be a fun weekend of football, without the usual accompanying tension and soaring blood pressure of Patriots games! :-)

George

From: patriotzip@yahoogroups.com [mailto:patriotzip@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of RandyZ. Pierce
Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2009 1:29 AM
To: patriotzip@yahoogroups.com
Subject: This weekend's game Re: [patriotzip] Re: The Patriots are not playing this weekend

#16136

From: Ed Bryant <edbryant36@...>
Date: Sat Oct 31, 2009 12:51 pm
Subject: RE: This weekend's game Re: Re: The Patriots are not playing this weekend

edbryant36

I find it really sweet that you can propose a league-wide bye week.

I don't bet on football, nor do I play fantasy football, and I won't, because I want to watch the game on the field. ( Homer Simpson once told Maggie: "that's Daddy's favorite team. He wants them to lose by fewer than six points!" I don't want to be watching New England attempt a comeback against the Bills and have to yell at Brady: "No, you idiot, not Watson! Throw it to Moss, you crippled retard!"

But the reason the league will NEVER schedule a bye week is the same reason the league insists on letting Vegas know several days in advance who has a bad knee or sore shoulder: the league founding by bookies has always owed a chunk of its prosperity to the interest generated by gambling.

Now, remember, when the NE Patriots won SB 36, it made them the very best of all 31 teams, which meant every team had to have a bye week, because otherwise, they'd have had to pay Jim Boeheim to find them a cupcake to schedule the week the rest of the NFL was unavailable. And there are still some people who own teams who would accept their 1/32 of the booty should the league expand to 33 teams, say by giving London or Los Angeles an expansion team.

And so, if god can promise me for eternity a 32 team league playing a 16 game schedule, I will take that deal, and give up betting the Over for a week, which, since I don't any way, will be a sacrifice I'll gladly make, and if god says "hell, no" to an 18 game schedule, I'll insist he share the credit with George. I know guys can get hurt on every single play, and I know plenty of players would agree to the extra money if that was how the league went from 4 and 16 to say 2 and 18, but at least now, the guys who've been in the league for a year or five take 20% to 60% less of a beating in August than they do from September to January, and long-term, when they're my age and trying to walk or remember their names, every little bit counts.

Now, during this bye week, does anyone have a good link to whether that bubble wrap stuff could be incorporated into the helmet to lessen the impact of helmet hits???

--- On Sat, 10/31/09, George <patswingr@...> wrote:

From: George <patswingr@...>
Subject: RE: This weekend's game Re: [patriotzip] Re: The Patriots are not playing this weekend
To: patriotzip@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, October 31, 2009, 12:29 AM

We are very fortunate to get the bye week at this particular place in our schedule. A week to heal some bumps and bruises (and worse) in near mid-season is a definite plus over having a bye in Week 4 or 5. I have always felt the the "staggered" bye week policy is unfair, within a given season. The teams getting it later, closer to the playoffs, get a clear advantage, IMO, over those getting it early. (As an avid Fantasy Football player, I also hate this process for that reason. It really screws with your roster changes, requiring some careful moves to try to weave through the land mines of bye weeks for your best players.)

I don't understand why the NFL doesn't feel that they could come up with some outstanding programming to fill a "common" bye week. This would be the one I'd suggest - the first weekend in November. It is, after all, the weekend when they compete with the World Series. (This old school baseball fan can't believe that there's no more "Mr October". Baseball in snow, and temperatures in the 40's or lower. Nice.)

As for our team, the BB plan is always to do the "self analysis" for much of the bye week. There isn't time for a thorough review of our own play in the one week span between most games; although, of course, there is always review of the last game film, and teaching points to be gained from that. This week long review adds the ability to look for, and eliminate, negative tendencies or "tip offs"; as well as study the progress of players through the first 7 games. Who's getting better? Who's slipping back? Why? What did we do that worked well, and should, perhaps, be done more often? What have we been doing that rarely works, and should, perhaps, be dropped from the playbook?

I fully expect the Patriots to come out of the bye week a much stronger team, in every way. BB is certainly famous for his ability to analyze and plan, when given extra time. This particular season, with Mayo now healthy, and Guyton and the amazing McGowan more experienced; I'll be very surprised if the Dolphins have much success with the Wildcat formation. I am a little concerned about Warren, since, as usual, we have no information on the status of the injury he suffered in London. But it does seem that A. Thomas has received a wake up call, and should be more of a factor on that side.)

As for this week, I share your thoughts, Randy. The first game here (which now begins at 1 AM, rather than midnight, thanks to the ending of Daylight Savings Time) will be the media favorite - Farvings ... I mean, Vikings ... at Green Bay. But I'll try to watch the Dolphins - Jets game on my laptop, if my internet signal holds up. An upset by the Dolphins wouldn't shock me, and would be the preferred outcome. The other games that I'll be checking on the scoreboard are the 49ers - Colts (which has little hope for an upset, IMO), and the Broncos - Ravens, which is really tough to call. Could be a great game that I may switch to now on then on the internet.

It should be a fun weekend of football, without the usual accompanying tension and soaring blood pressure of Patriots games! :-)

George

From: patriotzip@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:patriotzip@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of RandyZ. Pierce
Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2009 1:29 AM
To: patriotzip@yahoogro ups.com
Subject: This weekend's game Re: [patriotzip] Re: The Patriots are not playing this weekend

I might be in the minority and it usually isn't this way for me but...I'm glad to have the bye. I love that we
finished a couple of easier opponents with a clear and definitive break that let's us really focus and prepare for a
very telling month of November. I don't like that Tom got the Offensive Player of the Month for a few reasons but
ultimately this week off I can watch a few of our opponents ahead and think about our resting, healing and getting
ready to start the second 'half' of the season.

I'm going to enjoy either team losing in the Jets-Miami game and take comfort that we control our destiny at this point
which is what I always hope exists for us every game we ever play. THat way we get what we deserve each and every
time. Rooting for teams to lose to help us is often an excercise in futility. Neither Joey Porter nor Rex Ryan can be
disappointed enough in the results of their game so I'll hope it's quality fun football which makes it clear to the
Patriots they need to earn their wins against each of these teams.

Now Indy and Denver losing will potentially help us down the road so I might have a little extra hope there but
ultimately it's a relaxing weekend with low investment for me emotionally in any of the results.

Go Pats!
Zip

#16137

From: "George" <patswingr@...>
Date: Sat Oct 31, 2009 1:55 pm
Subject: RE: This weekend's game Re: Re: The Patriots are not playing this weekend

patswingr

I'm not only happy that the Patriots have a bye this week. I'm happy that Daylight Savings Time is ending. Ed can obviously use the extra hour of sleep!

George

From: patriotzip@yahoogroups.com [mailto:patriotzip@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Ed Bryant
Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2009 7:52 PM
To: patriotzip@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: This weekend's game Re: [patriotzip] Re: The Patriots are not playing this weekend

From: George <patswingr@...>
Subject: RE: This weekend's game Re: [patriotzip] Re: The Patriots are not playing this weekend
To: patriotzip@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, October 31, 2009, 12:29 AM

We are very fortunate to get the bye week at this particular place in our schedule. A week to heal some bumps and bruises (and worse) in near mid-season is a definite plus over having a bye in Week 4 or 5. I have always felt the the "staggered" bye week policy is unfair, within a given season. The teams getting it later, closer to the playoffs, get a clear advantage, IMO, over those getting it early. (As an avid Fantasy Football player, I also hate this process for that reason. It really screws with your roster changes, requiring some careful moves to try to weave through the land mines of bye weeks for your best players.)

I don't understand why the NFL doesn't feel that they could come up with some outstanding programming to fill a "common" bye week. This would be the one I'd suggest - the first weekend in November. It is, after all, the weekend when they compete with the World Series. (This old school baseball fan can't believe that there's no more "Mr October". Baseball in snow, and temperatures in the 40's or lower. Nice.)

As for our team, the BB plan is always to do the "self analysis" for much of the bye week. There isn't time for a thorough review of our own play in the one week span between most games; although, of course, there is always review of the last game film, and teaching points to be gained from that. This week long review adds the ability to look for, and eliminate, negative tendencies or "tip offs"; as well as study the progress of players through the first 7 games. Who's getting better? Who's slipping back? Why? What did we do that worked well, and should, perhaps, be done more often? What have we been doing that rarely works, and should, perhaps, be dropped from the playbook?

I fully expect the Patriots to come out of the bye week a much stronger team, in every way. BB is certainly famous for his ability to analyze and plan, when given extra time. This particular season, with Mayo now healthy, and Guyton and the amazing McGowan more experienced; I'll be very surprised if the Dolphins have much success with the Wildcat formation. I am a little concerned about Warren, since, as usual, we have no information on the status of the injury he suffered in London. But it does seem that A. Thomas has received a wake up call, and should be more of a factor on that side.)

As for this week, I share your thoughts, Randy. The first game here (which now begins at 1 AM, rather than midnight, thanks to the ending of Daylight Savings Time) will be the media favorite - Farvings ... I mean, Vikings ... at Green Bay. But I'll try to watch the Dolphins - Jets game on my laptop, if my internet signal holds up. An upset by the Dolphins wouldn't shock me, and would be the preferred outcome. The other games that I'll be checking on the scoreboard are the 49ers - Colts (which has little hope for an upset, IMO), and the Broncos - Ravens, which is really tough to call. Could be a great game that I may switch to now on then on the internet.

It should be a fun weekend of football, without the usual accompanying tension and soaring blood pressure of Patriots games! :-)

George

From: patriotzip@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:patriotzip@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of RandyZ. Pierce
Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2009 1:29 AM
To: patriotzip@yahoogro ups.com
Subject: This weekend's game Re: [patriotzip] Re: The Patriots are not playing this weekend

I might be in the minority and it usually isn't this way for me but...I'm glad to have the bye. I love that we
finished a couple of easier opponents with a clear and definitive break that let's us really focus and prepare for a
very telling month of November. I don't like that Tom got the Offensive Player of the Month for a few reasons but
ultimately this week off I can watch a few of our opponents ahead and think about our resting, healing and getting
ready to start the second 'half' of the season.

I'm going to enjoy either team losing in the Jets-Miami game and take comfort that we control our destiny at this point
which is what I always hope exists for us every game we ever play. THat way we get what we deserve each and every
time. Rooting for teams to lose to help us is often an excercise in futility. Neither Joey Porter nor Rex Ryan can be
disappointed enough in the results of their game so I'll hope it's quality fun football which makes it clear to the
Patriots they need to earn their wins against each of these teams.

Now Indy and Denver losing will potentially help us down the road so I might have a little extra hope there but
ultimately it's a relaxing weekend with low investment for me emotionally in any of the results.

Go Pats!
Zip