OK, I have to say that I am totally stunned by this trade, for the following reasons:

1. Most, including me, have said that our D is going to take a few weeks to gel, with all the new players coming in. Now, we've lost one of the lynchpins to that D.

2. It appears that we are moving to more 4-3 sets, largely due to a thin LB corps. Seymour's departure significantly weakens the DL corps, which, it would seem, should be kept as strong and deep as possible in a 4-3 defense.

As always, I add the caveat that BB has proven that he knows what he's doing; and I am, regardless of how closely I follow the team, no more than a fan, and, by definition, relatively uniformed of the big picture within the team.

That said, I have my fingers crossed on this one. The potential for serious problems on the defense looms large, in my view.

Adam Schefter confirms, Richard Seymour traded to Oakland for 1sr rounder in
2011!

Shocker!

fdb

Could this help pave the way for resigning Wilfork? They were both due.

fdb

--- In patriotzip@yahoogroups.com, "George" <patswingr@...> wrote:
>
> And another Patriots jersey becomes a collectors item! Just a replica
> though. Bruschi is the only "official" jersey I own. Too damn hot here to
> wear that one! :-)
> George
>
>
>
>   _____
>
> From: patriotzip@yahoogroups.com [mailto:patriotzip@yahoogroups.com] On
> Behalf Of frankdanabrewster
> Sent: Sunday, September 06, 2009 10:25 PM
> To: patriotzip@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [patriotzip] Seymour traded!
>
>
>
>
> Adam Schefter confirms, Richard Seymour traded to Oakland for 1sr rounder in
> 2011!
>
> Shocker!
>
> fdb
>

 

Adam Schefter confirms, Richard Seymour traded to Oakland for 1sr rounder in 2011!

Shocker!

 

OK, I have to say that I am totally stunned by this trade, for the following reasons:

1. Most, including me, have said that our D is going to take a few weeks to gel, with all the new players coming in. Now, we've lost one of the lynchpins to that D.

2. It appears that we are moving to more 4-3 sets, largely due to a thin LB corps. Seymour's departure significantly weakens the DL corps, which, it would seem, should be kept as strong and deep as possible in a 4-3 defense.

As always, I add the caveat that BB has proven that he knows what he's doing; and I am, regardless of how closely I follow the team, no more than a fan, and, by definition, relatively uniformed of the big picture within the team.

That said, I have my fingers crossed on this one. The potential for serious problems on the defense looms large, in my view.

It's been fun reading the comments on the sports sites on this deal. Al Davis is
getting skewered! Most people seem to think it's a coup for the Pats. I'll miss
Seymour. He's been great. But I also like the deal.

My favorite one line comment...

"This wouldn't have happened if Al Davis was still alive."

fdb

 

Could this help pave the way for resigning Wilfork? They were both due.

I'm not surprised!  All the D Lineman are similar, they stop the run.  The Pats
couldn't pay both Seymour and Wilfork.  Seymour has been mediocre the last few
years and has been battling injuries with his age.

They are going to more of a 4-3 look and they will have Banta-Cain and Burgess
on the DE with Pryor, Warren, Green, Wilfork on the inside.

I think its a great trade.

Mark


--- On Sun, 9/6/09, Jacob W. Michaels <wicked@...> wrote:

> From: Jacob W. Michaels <wicked@...>
> Subject: Re: seymour to Raiders for 20011 1st round pick
> To:
> Cc: patriots@...
> Date: Sunday, September 6, 2009, 11:00 AM
> Wow. Just wow. I don't even know what
> to say. Seymour's been a key part
> of this team the past decade. He's worth a first-rounder,
> but who knows
> if the Raiders will be any good that far down the line.
> It's easy to say
> no, but you never know. Kind of frustrating that we won't
> get more
> return on him sooner. It really feels like we're kind of
> panicking over
> this uncapped year. I hope we get Wilfork done.
>
> So wonder who'll our second DE be? Green, I'd guess, but
> maybe Brace?
>
> Jacob     Stunned ... no Bruschi or
> Seymour.
>
>
> Jason Uechi wrote:
> > amazing.
> > who saw that coming?
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Maybe this is why BB has historically shown a dislike for drafting LBs. :-)

 
 

I heard this about an hour ago. My first reaction was, "WHAAAT?"
 
Is Al Davis insane? A 1st rounder for a guy with one year left on his contract and entering the latter stages of his career?
 
What are we going to do though? The pick isn't until 2011. Who takes Seymour's place right now? The back up defensive line players look good, but I suddenly don't feel as good as I did about the D-line going into this year. If we go to a 4-3, will one of those younger DTs step in with Burgess lining up at DE? What if we stay 3-4? Jarvis Green has done well filling in over the years. How would he hold up full time?
 
Wow! What next?
 
Hey! The Eagles released Feeley, so if the Pats want him, they won't have to trade.
 
Sincerely,
 
Scott Sheaffer

 

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Former 3rd year WR/QB signed to PS.  Patriots want to convert him back to QB. 
6'2" 210.


Mark

Forgot to list the source.  NFL Network (LaConfora) is also reporting
Mark

Let's not forget how often Seymour is injured.  Has he ever played a full
season?  Wait - has ANYONE ever played a full season?  This is why players get
traded when they are still seemingly viable to their team.  Savvy owners and
smart coaches realize the shelf life of these high-profile men, due to double
teaming and the like.  Feeley has been released by the Eagles, so if BB wants
him, he could get him.

On a separate note, please refrain from political dogma and other anti-American
bull#$%!.  This is not a political blog, it is for Patriots fans who want to
talk Patriots football.  This includes using quotes from empires that failed
over two thousand years ago.

What's the quote about an empire that failed thousands of years ago?

Still surprised that Seymour was traded...
Monty
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-----Original Message-----
From: "ps2dad" <ps2dad@...>

Date: Sun, 06 Sep 2009 22:53:52
To: <patriotzip@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [patriotzip] Re: Seymour Traded


Let's not forget how often Seymour is injured.  Has he ever played a full
season?  Wait - has ANYONE ever played a full season?  This is why players get
traded when they are still seemingly viable to their team.  Savvy owners and
smart coaches realize the shelf life of these high-profile men, due to double
teaming and the like.  Feeley has been released by the Eagles, so if BB wants
him, he could get him.

On a separate note, please refrain from political dogma and other anti-American
bull#$%!.  This is not a political blog, it is for Patriots fans who want to
talk Patriots football.  This includes using quotes from empires that failed
over two thousand years ago.



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I'll start by saying that this trade is only acceptable to me (as
if BB cares about that :) if they re-sign Wilfork.  If they don't
this is really bad.

Assuming they re-sign Wilfork, I'm torn.

On the one hand it does look like longer-term it's a good move
for the team.  They weren't going to re-sign both Seymour and Wilfork
and I (and I bet they) prefer to re-sign Wilfork.  That means Seymour
was walking at the end of the season.  This way they get something (and
not something trivial) for someone they were going to lose for nothing
at the end of the season.

But on the other hand, I'm more short-term focussed and this definitely
hurts their chances of winning it all this season and next.  Brady's
already had one year of his career wasted (last year) though that wasn't
anyone's fault.  In 2006 I think they could have gone all the way if they
had better WRs for Brady.  Yes, they made it to the AFC Championship, and
yes, the flu didn't help, but with better WRs, maybe that game is in
Foxboro, or maybe the Pats have the 1st round bye and who knows.  Brady's
not getting any younger, and neither is Moss.  And the odds are good
another year of Brady and Moss's careers get wasted in 2011 because of
the lockout everyone expects.

It's hard to argue with looking longer-term, but darn it, I'd really
like for them to be as good as they can be in 2009 and 2010, and it's
not looking that that'll be the case.  Obviously, I hope I'm wrong.

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Rich Carreiro                            rlcarr@...

Nunn also cleared waivers (surprisingly), and was signed to the PS.

fdb

--- In patriotzip@yahoogroups.com, Mark Morse <packy001@...> wrote:
>
> Forgot to list the source.  NFL Network (LaConfora) is also reporting
> Mark
>

A friend who knows that I saw both play asked which I thought was better, Richard Seymour or Houston Antwine. Here's my answer to him.

I see that OT Levi Jones was cut. As thin (in numbers, that is!) as the Pats are at that position, it might be nice to add him as a backup, replacing one of the many interior OL guys they have.

Doesn't matter who coaches the Jets; it seems that the "behind the back" moves are a "tradition" for that franchise.

I'm sure most of you saw that the Jets traded with the Lions to get Kevin O'Connell. I found this comment at the end of an article by the Globe's Gasper:

"It's possible that Rex Ryan is looking for an edge by bringing in O'Connell to get information on the Patriots, who play the Jets at the Meadowlands on Sept. 20."

POSSIBLE? Yeah, Chris, it's "POSSIBLE". It's also "POSSIBLE" that Bill Belichick is less than totally forthright when discussing injuries to his players!

On "SportsFinal" tonight Steve Burton claimed Bruschi
is getting hired by ESPN.

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Rich Carreiro                            rlcarr@...

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/preview09/columns/story?columnist=wickersham_seth&\
id=4443119

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Rich Carreiro                            rlcarr@...