After seeing tonights game I am convinced this will be
the final roster.  Look for a couple of veteran
players to be traded or let go this week so they can
hook on with other teams (Reche Caldwell and Chad
Brown).

I also think they may need to bring in a kicker or two
just in case Gostkowski's FG problems continue.

Offense 25

QBs = 3 Tom Brady, Matt Cassel, Vinny Testaverde
RBs = 3 Laurence Maroney, Kevin Faulk, Sammy Morris,
FBs = 1 Heath Evans
WRs = 6 Randy Moss, Donte' Stallworth, Wes Welker,
Jabar Gaffney, Kelley Washington, Bam Childress,
TEs = 3 Ben Watson, David Thomas, Kyle Brady,
Marcellus Rivers
OTs = 4 Matt Light, Nick Kaczur, Ryan O'Callaghan,
Wesley Britt,
OGs = 4 Logan Mankins, Stephen Neal, Billy Yates,
Russ Hochstein,
Cs = 1 Dan Koppen


Defense  24

DEs = 3 Richard Seymour, Ty Warren, Jarvis Green
NTs = 3 Vince Wilfork, Mike Wright, Le Kevin Smith
OLBs = 4 Adalius Thomas, Rosevelt Colvin, Pierre
Woods, Justin Rogers
ILBs = 4 Mike Vrabel, Tedy Bruschi, Eric Alexander,
Junior Seau
CBs = 5 Asante Samuel, Ellis Hobbs, Randall Gay,  Mike
Richardson, Dante Wesley
Ss = 5 Rodney Harrison, Eugene Wilson, Brandon
Meriweather, James Sanders,  Willie Andrews


Special Teams 4

STs = 4 Larry Izzo, Stephen Gostkowski, Danny Baugher,
Lonie Paxton,

IR - Chad Scott,

PUP – 5 - Chad Jackson, Troy Brown, Richard Seymour,
Dave Thomas, Eddie Jackson

PS - Matt Guittierez,Mike Elgin, Oscar Lua, Garett
Mills, CJ Jones, Kareem Brown, Clint Oldenburg, Corey
Mays



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***** He just doubled up on Dave Thomas; who he later listed as on the PUP.



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-----Original Message-----
From: patriots-bounces@... [mailto:patriots-bounces@...] On
Behalf Of Cecil Wright
Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2007 11:06 AM
To: patriots@...; patriotzip@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: Patriots final 53 man roster projection

Except for the fact that you have listed 54 players, I like your choices.

Cecil (4 TEs)

>From: Mark <packy001@...>

>
>After seeing tonights game I am convinced this will be the final
>roster.  Look for a couple of veteran players to be traded or let go
>this week so they can hook on with other teams (Reche Caldwell and Chad
>Brown).
>
>I also think they may need to bring in a kicker or two just in case
>Gostkowski's FG problems continue.
>
>Offense 25
>
>QBs = 3 Tom Brady, Matt Cassel, Vinny Testaverde RBs = 3 Laurence
>Maroney, Kevin Faulk, Sammy Morris, FBs = 1 Heath Evans WRs = 6 Randy
>Moss, Donte' Stallworth, Wes Welker, Jabar Gaffney, Kelley Washington,
>Bam Childress, TEs = 3 Ben Watson, David Thomas, Kyle Brady, Marcellus
>Rivers OTs = 4 Matt Light, Nick Kaczur, Ryan O'Callaghan, Wesley Britt,
>OGs = 4 Logan Mankins, Stephen Neal, Billy Yates, Russ Hochstein, Cs =
>1 Dan Koppen
>
>
>Defense  24
>
>DEs = 3 Richard Seymour, Ty Warren, Jarvis Green NTs = 3 Vince Wilfork,
>Mike Wright, Le Kevin Smith OLBs = 4 Adalius Thomas, Rosevelt Colvin,
>Pierre Woods, Justin Rogers ILBs = 4 Mike Vrabel, Tedy Bruschi, Eric
>Alexander, Junior Seau CBs = 5 Asante Samuel, Ellis Hobbs, Randall Gay,
>Mike Richardson, Dante Wesley Ss = 5 Rodney Harrison, Eugene Wilson,
>Brandon Meriweather, James Sanders,  Willie Andrews
>
>
>Special Teams 4
>
>STs = 4 Larry Izzo, Stephen Gostkowski, Danny Baugher, Lonie Paxton,
>
>IR - Chad Scott,
>
>PUP  5 - Chad Jackson, Troy Brown, Richard Seymour, Dave Thomas, Eddie
>Jackson
>
>PS - Matt Guittierez,Mike Elgin, Oscar Lua, Garett Mills, CJ Jones,
>Kareem Brown, Clint Oldenburg, Corey Mays
>
>
>
>"It's beocome quite apparent, Bill Belichick could put Diet Pepsi
>Machine in his secondary and everything will still be copasetic." -
>Rich Eisen NFL Network
>
>
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***** I just saw this in Reece's post-game blog:

"After the game, Richardson was in the locker room with his left arm in a
sling and his left thumb wrapped. He declined comment when approached by the
media."
***** From what I heard and read, the kid had looked pretty good out there,
getting work with the first team. Although Reece did note that the was "the
closest player" in coverage on the 48-yard bomb to Colbert near the end of
the first half. I hope he's OK, for his sake and ours. He appears to be a
hard working kid, very much in the Patriots mold. As I noted earlier today,
I'd love to see a youngster come along at CB for us. Of course, there's
still a chance that Gay will continue to develop; but another young guy
behind him and Hobbs would be nice.


George
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John Tomase presents a pretty thorough post-mortem on the Asante Samuel
negotiations.

http://patriots.bostonherald.com/patriots/view.bg?articleid=1019511

fdb

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Subject: [patriotzip] Tomase on Samuel

John Tomase presents a pretty thorough post-mortem on the Asante Samuel
negotiations.

http://patriots.bostonherald.com/patriots/view.bg?articleid=1019511

fdb

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***** Reiss reports the Pats have placed Mike Richardson on IR. That's now 2
gone for the year (Chad Scott) before the season even begins!

***** What is it with the curse on DBs for our team? Between holdouts
(Milloy, Law, Samuel) and injuries, we're lucky we can ever field a full
defensive backfield, let alone a good one!

(And let's not forget Mike Haynes. Had to get that in before Ed Bryant
does!) ;-)

George
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***** WOW! That is a surprise. But no doubts here. I have nowhere near
enough information or observation of Baugher or Hanson to question The Man.


George
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Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 7:37 PM
To: patriotzip@yahoogroups.com; Bosco Patriot Listt
Subject: Pats release Punter Baugher?

and sign Hanson...

I thought we had a few quality punters in camp but that he had won the
spot...now  he's released?...

Confused but... Go Pats!
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***** OK, I say we cut Moss, Stallworth, and Welker. Who needs 'em? We have
Kight, Jones, and Childress!

George
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***** And, while we're at it, we could save a LOT of cap space by cutting
that Brady guy. Cassel and Gutierrez were 17/23 for 147 yards, 1 TD, and no
INTs!

George
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Sent: Friday, August 31, 2007 9:43 AM
To: 'da List'; patriotzip@yahoogroups.com
Subject: CUTS

***** OK, I say we cut Moss, Stallworth, and Welker. Who needs 'em? We have
Kight, Jones, and Childress!

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***** After his performance throughout this pre-season, Childress would be a
VERY tough cut. I have never included him in the group of 6 WRs that I think
they will keep on the 53-man opening roster. But, after yet another very
good performance today, I just don't see how we can cut this gutsy little
guy. He so much reminds me of Troy in his early years.

***** So, if he makes it to the opening day roster, what's the WR six pack?
I'd have to go with: Moss, Stallworth, Welker, Gaffney, Caldwell, Childress.
Trade Washington for something, if possible.

***** Don't ask me what we do when the decision has to be made on the PUP
guys, Brown and Jackson. Obviously, injuries could answer the questions, but
we all hope it doesn't come to that. If not injuries, it will come down to
the performance of the six pack, with the last 3 obviously the guys at risk.
That, plus what the coaches see from Brown and Jackson in practice, will
determine the action to be taken.

***** In any case, I consider it a nice "problem" to have.

George
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I was thinking Washington would beat out Caldwell, but Washington
would certainly have more trade value. The fact that neither
Caldwell nor Washington played last night could mean that they are
both safe, and they were showcasing Childress. I agree. I'd hate to
see him go. The guy shows a lot of potential. A tough cut, indeed.

I wonder if Lua will have to go on IR? Didn't look good, and they
were working on his knee on the sidelines.

fdb

--- In patriotzip@yahoogroups.com, "George" <patswingr@...> wrote:
>
> ***** After his performance throughout this pre-season, Childress
would be a
> VERY tough cut. I have never included him in the group of 6 WRs
that I think
> they will keep on the 53-man opening roster. But, after yet
another very
> good performance today, I just don't see how we can cut this gutsy
little
> guy. He so much reminds me of Troy in his early years.
>
> ***** So, if he makes it to the opening day roster, what's the WR
six pack?
> I'd have to go with: Moss, Stallworth, Welker, Gaffney, Caldwell,
Childress.
> Trade Washington for something, if possible.
>
> ***** Don't ask me what we do when the decision has to be made on
the PUP
> guys, Brown and Jackson. Obviously, injuries could answer the
questions, but
> we all hope it doesn't come to that. If not injuries, it will come
down to
> the performance of the six pack, with the last 3 obviously the
guys at risk.
> That, plus what the coaches see from Brown and Jackson in
practice, will
> determine the action to be taken.
>
> ***** In any case, I consider it a nice "problem" to have.
>
> George
> Dogs have masters ... Cats have staff!
>

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Just End It Posted: 31 Aug 2007 06:51 AM CDT by Scott Benson scott@... You know, I might tend to agree with folks who say the NFL pre-season is too long. I’m good with the first week, when the starters take a bow early and we see the rookies and free agents that are trying to make the team. The starters stretch it out a bit in week two, playing most if not all of the first half. The third week is the full dress rehearsal, and by now, the rookies and free agents are either stepping up, or stepping out. Doesn’t it seem like it ought to end right there? Well, the league evidently feels otherwise, and so last night the Patriots passed their way to a 27-20 win over the New York Giants at Gillette Stadium to finish out their pre-season at 2-2. Matt Cassel, Vinny Testaverde and Matt Gutierrez combined to go 24-34-246 and a touchdown, a late Gutierrez to Bam Childress score that put the game away for the Pats. Kelvin Kight, Marcellus Rivers and CJ Jones combined to catch 13 passes for 167 yards to lead the New England passing game. The Patriots defense sacked New York’s quarterbacks eight times, including three from LeKevin Smith, who moved from end to nose in a test of his backup skills there, and two by outside linebacker hopeful Pierre Woods, who also forced two fumbles. Eric Alexander, who has probably made the team already, led all Patriots with 13 tackles (eight unassisted) anyway. The only real justification for the fourth pre-season game is the final chance to look at the players, young and old, that are still competing for the final few spots on the Patriots roster. New England’s regulars dressed but did not play, save for staring fullback Health Evans, who took a turn at tailback and scored a touchdown. The Patriots did not escape unscathed, as they lost rookie linebacker Oscar Lua to what appeared to be a serious right leg injury in the early going. After a week in which even his bilingual skills were touted, Lua was over and out before he could even get started. Further proof of our theory that the NFL really sucks sometimes.   Yet there were a few players that were able to make their case before the final roster cutdown tomorrow. Rivers, primarily known as a blocker throughout his spotty pro career, continued to show some receiving skills (5 catches for 47 yards) to likely cement a role as New England’s third tight end. Not bad for a guy that got a late start. Rivers may find a way to stick even after David Thomas returns, as Kyle Brady has done little this August to offer guarantee that he can fill the faux Daniel Graham role when the bell rings. Chris Hanson, the former Jacksonville punter signed after the surprise cut of Danny Baugher earlier in the day, hit the ball reasonably well and even dropped one inside the Giants five with the help of veteran special teamer Dante Wesley. There’s still more than a week before the Pats travel to the Meadowlands to open the season, but Hanson may have done enough last night to survive the ax until then. Sorry Chris, that one was just sitting there. Wesley may have grabbed a spot with a late interception of Tim Hasselbeck deep in Giants territory to set up the Childress touchdown that provided the margin of victory. He knocked away two other passes and also impressed with his hustling charity-hop putdown of Hanson’s directional punt. He clearly outdistanced Tory James, the other corner, who did little to establish his value with New England as the two battled to grab one of the final roster spots. Receiver CJ Jones, however, returned kicks with elan and took in an impressive catch and run for 28 yards. Where were you last year, CJ? Your timing isn’t great, nor is Kight’s, who seems to be developing at a time when the Patriots have more receivers than they have spots. Speaking of receivers, Garrett Mills worked himself open for four catches of his own, lining up as a tight end and fullback and showing some of the versatility he’ll need to hang on. But with the running backs set and Rivers gaining control of the open tight end spot, where will he go? Other players with more certain futures with the team also had their moments. Cassel had his most impressive turn of the pre-season, directing two scores and hitting a few accurate throws to in-stride receivers. He gave way to Testaverde in the second quarter, and Vinny had a up and down performance in his first extended action of the pre-season. He led the Pats to a score in the third with crisp timing throws before throwing a bad interception while trying to force a ball in to a well covered Mills. Gutierrez did everything he could this August to win a spot with the team, and the Pats can only hope to sneak him to the practice squad this weekend. Woods showed some burst off the edge as a pass rusher (and a knack for dislodging the ball), but in early action against the Giants first team, he was bowled over in goal line defense, giving way to a short Brandon Jacobs touchdown plunge.  Still, he could get the nod over rookie Justin Rogers, who wasn’t able to finish the pre-season as strongly as he started it, and veteran Chad Brown, was has been a non-factor to the naked eye. Brandon Meriweather started at safety with Willie Andrews, and showed good range despite occasionally yielding some ground in coverage. Not surprising as he was seeing his first time at his most natural position. One thing is certain about Meriweather - he can tackle. He finished with nine. Andrews, another developing player who is likely to stick, had six of his own. Smith has been a revelation this month, showing versatility across the defensive front with a strong start at the nose last night. He’ll join rookie Kareem Brown (who didn’t even play, giving way to folks like Santonio Thomas and Zach West) to give the Pats perhaps their deepest defensive line of the Belichick era. Speaking of versatility, the game closed with Bam Childress playing halfback (another young receiver that is coming on at the wrong time for the Pats) and Gutierrez covering kicks, which was probably indication it was time, mercifully, to end the pre-season and complete the construction of New England’s final roster.

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***** Like Rodney, I am very disappointed in his decision. I am absolutely
certain that it was driven by his competitive spirit. He wanted to get
himself back onto the field as soon as possible. Unfortunately, that desire
was so strong that it overcame his common sense, and led him to take a
chance (on being caught) where the risk (a 4-game suspension) outweighed the
reward (perhaps a 2-3 week difference in getting back on the field).

***** As he usually does, he handled the results with class. I'll hate not
having him out there for 4 games. But I remain a staunch fan of Rodney
Harrison, the football player, and the man. Had this been for marijuana or
cocaine, or even a true steroid, I'd feel very differently. But, as I said,
I think I understand, and applaud, his motivation for doing it; while still
being disappointed in his inability to resist it, and stick with approved
methods of healing.


George
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-----Original Message-----
From: patriots-bounces@... [mailto:patriots-bounces@...] On
Behalf Of Ghost of Patriots Past
Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2007 9:06 AM
To: Kirk; da List
Subject: Rodney's Statement

"This is Rodney Harrison. I'm basically here to let you all know that
tomorrow the commissioner will announce that I've been suspended by the NFL
for violating the league policy on banned substances. That suspension will
be four games. I want to make it clear that not once did I ever use
steroids. I did admit to the commissioner that I did in fact use a banned
substance. My purpose was never to gain a competitive edge. Rather, my use
was solely for accelerating the healing process of injuries I sustained
while playing football.
   "I haven't made excuses nor will I make excuses. I made a mistake and I'm
very sorry for that. I understand that I'm a role model to high school to
college, to young kids. I don't condone my decision, my behavior. I'm very,
very embarrassed by it. I'm disappointed in myself and to any young person,
any high schooler, any college athlete I sent the wrong message with my
actions. And I would ask and I would want to be the example for them to
never jeopardize what they believe in and never jeopardize their health. And
they always have to love themselves."
   Harrison also said he wanted to apologize to the Patriots organization and
its fans.

   Steve


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According to a post in Patsfans.com which cites
Scout.com report.

Childress does have PS eligibility remaining.

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I have the utmost respect for Rodney, as a player and as a person.
He's been terrific on the field and off, with his play and all the
help he's given to younger players. But, I cut him no slack on this.
It was a stupid thing to do; for his health, his reputation, and for
the impact it has to the team on the field.

He has discussed performance enhancers before. I remember him saying
that he always takes any new supplements to the training staff first,
so they can determine if it's legal to use before taking anything.
Very hypocritical of him, and I'm very disappointed. I understand why
he did it, but as you said, the risk vs reward doesn't wash. He made a
mistake, and he's paying for it, so I won't condemn him. But it is
awfully disappointing.

fdb

--- In patriotzip@yahoogroups.com, "George" <patswingr@...> wrote:
>
>  ***** Like Rodney, I am very disappointed in his decision. I am
absolutely
> certain that it was driven by his competitive spirit. He wanted to get
> himself back onto the field as soon as possible. Unfortunately, that
desire
> was so strong that it overcame his common sense, and led him to take a
> chance (on being caught) where the risk (a 4-game suspension)
outweighed the
> reward (perhaps a 2-3 week difference in getting back on the field).
>
> ***** As he usually does, he handled the results with class. I'll
hate not
> having him out there for 4 games. But I remain a staunch fan of Rodney
> Harrison, the football player, and the man. Had this been for
marijuana or
> cocaine, or even a true steroid, I'd feel very differently. But, as
I said,
> I think I understand, and applaud, his motivation for doing it;
while still
> being disappointed in his inability to resist it, and stick with
approved
> methods of healing.
>
>
> George
> Dogs have masters ... Cats have staff!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: patriots-bounces@... [mailto:patriots-bounces@...] On
> Behalf Of Ghost of Patriots Past
> Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2007 9:06 AM
> To: Kirk; da List
> Subject: Rodney's Statement
>
> "This is Rodney Harrison. I'm basically here to let you all know that
> tomorrow the commissioner will announce that I've been suspended by
the NFL
> for violating the league policy on banned substances. That
suspension will
> be four games. I want to make it clear that not once did I ever use
> steroids. I did admit to the commissioner that I did in fact use a
banned
> substance. My purpose was never to gain a competitive edge. Rather,
my use
> was solely for accelerating the healing process of injuries I sustained
> while playing football.
>   "I haven't made excuses nor will I make excuses. I made a mistake
and I'm
> very sorry for that. I understand that I'm a role model to high
school to
> college, to young kids. I don't condone my decision, my behavior.
I'm very,
> very embarrassed by it. I'm disappointed in myself and to any young
person,
> any high schooler, any college athlete I sent the wrong message with my
> actions. And I would ask and I would want to be the example for them to
> never jeopardize what they believe in and never jeopardize their
health. And
> they always have to love themselves."
>   Harrison also said he wanted to apologize to the Patriots
organization and
> its fans.
>
>   Steve
>
>
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After seeing that the Pats had 4 punters in for tryouts this week, I
noticed this comment in the Globe article on Rodney's suspension...

"More than football may have been involved in the Patriots' somewhat
surprising decision to cut ties with punter Danny Baugher and sign
veteran Chris Hanson. Baugher, who in three exhibition games had
punted nine times for a gross average of 44.8 yards and net of 39.0,
was recently charged with assault by the Plymouth County District
Attorney's Office."

There had to have been something more to the story.

fsb

I think it's great that the league has a substance abuse policy but I don't
think they mete it out fairly.  Ricky Williams is a pothead and isn't
allowed to play but Michael Irving is a cokehead and gets put in the hall of
fame, there's nothing fair about that.

Don

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From: patriots-bounces@... [mailto:patriots-bounces@...] On
Behalf Of Andrew Walkingshaw
Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2007 4:39 AM
To: George
Cc: Kirk; da List; patriotzip@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: Rodney's Statement

On 9/1/07, George <patswingr@...> wrote:

>  Had this been for marijuana or cocaine I'd feel very differently.

Yeah, I'd support him in those circumstances: he'd have made bad
choices, but he wouldn't be a cheat. It  wouldn't be *nearly* as bad.

(If it was marijuana I doubt I'd care at all.)

Andrew

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I'm watching the game replay that started at 4:00 Arizona Time. My query is do
they still show one half of the Pats broadcast and one of the Gints? Thanks
Later.Mike
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***** Now that we're dealing with facts, some comments:

Subject: da Roster

Quarterback (3)
Tom Brady
Matt Cassel
Matt Gutierrez
Quick hit: Gutierrez, a rookie free agent, showed too much to not earn a
roster spot. Vinny Testaverde is cut.

***** Personally, I'm happy to see this. Guitierrez appears to have some
potential, and will gain from his clipboard duty. Meanwhile, I won't be
surprised if Vinny is on the sidelines as an "adviser", unless Josh feels
threatened by him. He'll certainly be on call. But I'm still confident in
Cassel. I think the Pats would go with him if ... (leave that unsaid!)

   Running back (4)
Laurence Maroney
Sammy Morris
Kevin Faulk
Heath Evans
Quick hit: Quinton Smith the lone cut

***** No surprise for anybody here.

   Wide receiver (6)
Randy Moss
Donte' Stallworth
Wes Welker
Jabar Gaffney
Kelley Washington
Reche Caldwell
Quick hit: Chris Dunlap, C.J. Jones, Bam Childress and Kelvin Kight the
cuts.

***** My six-pack. But what to do, what to do, when the PUP period ends for
Troy and Jackson?

   Tight end (3)
Benjamin Watson
Kyle Brady
David Thomas
Quick hit: Marcellus Rivers, Garrett Mills and Brian Jones the cuts. David
Thomas comes off PUP.

***** The "original" TE group.

   Offensive line (9)
Matt Light
Logan Mankins
Dan Koppen
Stephen Neal
Nick Kaczur
Ryan O'Callaghan
Wesley Britt
Billy Yates
Russ Hochstein
Quick hit: Rookies Clint Oldenburg, Corey Hilliard and Mike Elgin are cut,
as is veteran Gene Mruczkowski

***** Makes sense. Hochstein's versatility covers the backup C spot, as well
as G and T. Youngsters O'Callaghan and Britt keepers.

   Defensive line (6)
Ty Warren
Vince Wilfork
Jarvis Green
Mike Wright
Le Kevin Smith
Kareem Brown
Quick hit: Richard Seymour to reserve/PUP, while Rashad Moore, Zach West and
Santonio Thomas are the cuts.

***** BB and his secrecy. I, along with most, I think, had no idea that
Seymour had a serious injury. DAMN! I did think that Moore had a shot at a
backup spot here. Wright and Smith are both better than I thought they were.


   Inside linebacker (5)
Adalius Thomas
Tedy Bruschi
Junior Seau
Eric Alexander
Larry Izzo
Quick hit: Rookie Oscar Lua to injured reserve. Corey Mays is cut.

***** I'm not at all worried about this group. The re-signing of Seau, and
the continuing development of Alexander sets it.

   Outside linebacker (3)
Mike Vrabel
Rosevelt Colvin
Pierre Woods
Quick hit: Rookie Justin Rogers is cut.

***** I'd be more comfortable with 8 LBs. I know we'll  be moving them
around, with Thomas and Tedy both able to go outside in some sets. But the
number still feels too low to me. Will we ever draft another LB early?! ;-)

   Cornerback (5)
Ellis Hobbs
Randall Gay
Brandon Meriweather
Tory James
Asante Samuel*
Quick hit: Dante Wesley and Larry Anam the cuts. Team has an exemption for
Asante Samuel through Sept. 10 or until he is activated.

***** Interesting that they list Meriweather at CB. Did this come from the
Pats' site, Steve? Likely to stay like this when they activate Assante,
since the total, including him and Rodney, below, is 53. I would imagine
Assante will be activated before opening day.

   Safety (6)
Eugene Wilson
James Sanders
Willie Andrews
Mel Mitchell
Rashad Baker
Rodney Harrison*
Quick hit: Rodney Harrison doesn't count against the 53-man limit.

***** As noted above, this looks like the final (as "final" as any roster)
list at S, since when Rodney comes back we'll be at 53. I'm a little
surprised that they would keep one more on, though, since Rodney will be out
for 6 weeks.

   Specialists (3)
Kicker -- Stephen Gostkowski
Punter -- Chris Hanson
Long snapper -- Lonie Paxton
   ANALYSIS: The Patriots have some flexibility to bring in another player,
as Rodney Harrison doesn't count against the 53-man roster limit. No big
surprises here. Rookie Matt Gutierrez is the big winner, as the quarterback
showed too much in the preseason to risk losing him. He beats out Vinny
Testaverde.

   Steve - this is subject to change

***** All year long, Steve. All year long.

George
Dogs have masters ... Cats have staff!