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#16285 From: Rich Carreiro <rlcarr@...>
Date: Mon Nov 23, 2009 12:32 am
Subject: Jets mostly dead
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The best the Jets can do are 10-6.  The best they
can do in the division now is 2-4.

Pats are 3-1 in the division, so even if NE only makes
it to 10-6, they'll hold the tiebreaker over NYJ (now
that the teams have split).

And 10-6 isn't going to make it as an AFC wildcard.  So
the Jets are pretty much toast for 2009.

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#16284 From: patfan1@...
Date: Sun Nov 22, 2009 9:57 pm
Subject: Re: I confess
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#16283 From: Tracy Goyette <tracygoyette@...>
Date: Sun Nov 22, 2009 9:36 pm
Subject: I confess
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I wasn't wearing my mojo jersey.  I put it on right before the bodden pick.  :D

I won't do that again.



contritely,
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#16282 From: Rich Carreiro <rlcarr@...>
Date: Sun Nov 22, 2009 8:40 pm
Subject: Pats Inactives
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RB Fred Taylor
DB Shawn Springs
RB Sammy Morris
LB Rob Ninkovich
OL Stephen Neal
OL Matt Light
WR Sam Aiken
DL Jarvis Green

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#16281 From: Ed Bryant <edbryant36@...>
Date: Sun Nov 22, 2009 12:44 pm
Subject: RE: Wes Welker on the Third down play
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Does Welker have any confidence left that Brady will think the same as he does after the Denver cockup, where the ball wound up hitting him in the foot?

--- On Sat, 11/21/09, JMZANGBOVEE <jmzangbovee@...> wrote:

From: JMZANGBOVEE <jmzangbovee@...>
Subject: RE: Wes Welker on the Third down play
To: "'JMZANGBOVEE'" <jmzangbovee@...>, "'RandyZ. Pierce'" <alaric02@...>, patriotzip@yahoogroups.com
Cc: "'Bosco Patriot Listt'" <patriots@...>
Date: Saturday, November 21, 2009, 10:13 PM

Ok, on 2nd down no one covered Welker and it was an easy out for 8 yards.
On 3rd - Welker did break out instead of in and the ball was delivered late
so the DB got his hands on it.  Now, I can not tell if this was the designed
play - but Brady was not looking at Welker to start.  Brady was looking in
middle of the field and Welker while lining up on inside of two WRs on the
right side - went up and out... I think Brady was looking at a TE.  Will
watch again to see who that was... (if I can determine)

Had Welker broke in instead of out - sure there might have been an opening
there... but there was on outside as well - briefly.  Good coverage from
what I see.

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Sent: Friday, November 20, 2009 9:48 PM
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Subject: RE: Wes Welker on the Third down play

I have it taped- will watch tonight if get chance - tomorrow if not and will
report!

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Sent: Friday, November 20, 2009 9:01 PM
To: patriotzip@yahoogroups.com
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Subject: Wes Welker on the Third down play

So Bill Simmons isn't my first choice for the analytical part yet I noticed
in his column he blamed Welker for cutting
outside on the third down play before the infamous call.  ALlegedly Welker
had the middle entirely open and Brady was
looking there but when Wes cut out Brady tried to adjust and force the throw
we all know was almost picked off for six
the other way.  Anyone still got the play to peek at and see if Simmons has
any merit in this claim?

Can't wait to have Welker against the Jets on Sunday!

Go Pats!
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#16280 From: Ed Bryant <edbryant36@...>
Date: Sat Nov 21, 2009 6:10 pm
Subject: Re: Re: The Zebra there in Indy
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riverrunpasteveandadams.........

Did somebody say Sam Adams?  In 1972, before he was a beer but after he was a patriot, Sam Adams became a Patriot. 

By 1976, of course, we were stuck  celebrating John Adams,but eventually, there was Sam Adams, the beer.

"Silence, exile, and cunning," Joyce urged, but he didn't convince himself on the silence part, and he went right over my head!

--- On Sat, 11/21/09, kmacalp@... <kmacalp@...> wrote:

From: kmacalp@... <kmacalp@...>
Subject: [patriotzip] Re: The Zebra there in Indy
To: patriotzip@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, November 21, 2009, 8:57 AM

 

Uh oh!! Holy Stream of Consciousness, Batman! James Joyce has taken over Ed's e-mail account! Ed!! Ed!!!
; )
 
Scott


#16279 From: kmacalp@...
Date: Sat Nov 21, 2009 8:57 am
Subject: Re: The Zebra there in Indy
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Uh oh!! Holy Stream of Consciousness, Batman! James Joyce has taken over Ed's e-mail account! Ed!! Ed!!!
; )
 
Scott

#16278 From: kmacalp@...
Date: Sat Nov 21, 2009 8:50 am
Subject: Re: One defense of Belichick
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<Don> So BB should have called for a punt to make a few fans less unhappy? I
suspect the reason he has a handful of Superbowl rings, five, is that he
understands situational football quite well and knows what gives his team
the best chance to win far better than any of us do. Belichick may not win
on every gamble but he's definitely not an idiot.

Don
<Scott> First of all, I said "look like an idiot." That's not the same as really being an idiot. Going purely by percentages, either decision was just as smart. So Belichick's decision didn't give the Pats a better chance to win. The chances were the same either way. The late game "gassed" defense was still stopping the Colts 50% of the time. In the last two drives they gave up one touchdown and got an interception which set up a New England field goal. On the last four drives, they alternated between stops and allowing scores. For the season, the Pats were only 50% on converting 4th downs. (On passing plays with 4th and 3 yards or less, they were only 33%.) Of course Belichick shouldn't make decisions based on what fans think. But neither decision was really better, at least in playing the percentages. Who knows? Had the Pats punted, the Colts may have driven right down the field.
 
Either way, it means the same thing. Right now the Colts are a little better than the Pats. It's close though. Maybe the Pats can continue to improve more than the Colts who are showing some signs of slipping.
 
Scott  

#16277 From: "RandyZ. Pierce" <alaric02@...>
Date: Sat Nov 21, 2009 1:00 pm
Subject: Re: Re: The Play
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One other key ingredient George which I know you know but wasn't stated.  A
defender has to make contact which
absolutely took place here.  If without contact you surrender yards on your own
power than those yards are lost.  No
change to this play by that clarification just thought it should be added.

----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Friday, November 20, 2009 9:21 PM
Subject: RE: [patriotzip] Re: The Play


> Of course, Rob. It's ball position, with possession, when forward progress
> stops, that determines the spot.
> George

#16276 From: "George" <patswingr@...>
Date: Sat Nov 21, 2009 2:21 am
Subject: RE: Re: The Play
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Of course, Rob. It's ball position, with possession, when forward progress stops, that determines the spot. 

George

 
 


From: patriotzip@yahoogroups.com [mailto:patriotzip@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of colorfulgibbon1963
Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2009 1:36 AM
To: patriotzip@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [patriotzip] Re: The Play

 

> his body and the ball are directly over the stripe. He is hit AFTER >that,

That's what I take to be critical, where the ball is when forward progress stops.

-Rog

--- In patriotzip@yahoogroups.com, "George" <patswingr@...> wrote:
>
> I've made all of the comments I need to make about BB's coaching and
> decision making on that last series. But I do want to add something about
> the actual play, based upon the review I've seen tonight on 'NFL Total
> Access'. (It broadcasts a day later here in Thailand.)
>
> They showed the play from an angle I hadn't seen before. I was shot from a
> camera to the right rear of Brady. That angle clearly shows that the ball
> DID bounce off of Faulk's hands when it first hit them. It bounced INWARD,
> toward his body; and Faulk clutched it to his chest immediately. That
> happened in a fraction of a second. Faulk's left foot was on the ground,
> past the 30-yard line, when the ball first hit his hands, and bounced off.
> From that angle, you can clearly see that Faulk has full possession of the
> ball as his right foot hits the ground, also PAST the 30 yard line; and both
> his body and the ball are directly over the stripe. He is hit AFTER that,
> and driven back to the spot where the officials marked the ball. The
> "closer" on it comes from viewing the more commonly shown angle - the
> original "live" shot from behind Faulk. It's that shot that confirms that
> Faulk's body is over the line when his right foot hits the ground. Combine
> that with the other shot, showing that he HAD possession of the ball when
> that right foot hit the ground, and you have clear evidence that it WAS a
> bad call. The Patriots should have had the 1st down; and I think there's a
> good chance (though not a certainty) that it would have been re-marked as a
> 1st down on a review.
>
> All moot, as we've said before. I do not blame the official for his call on
> such a "bang-bang" play. There WAS a bobble, as he called. From his angle,
> without a view of the ball after it first hit Faulk's hands, it was a
> reasonable call. I just wanted to point out that, from what I've seen, it
> should have been a 1st down; and might have been reversed, IF we'd had a TO
> left with which to challenge it.
>
> OK. On to the Jets!
>
> George
>


#16275 From: "RandyZ. Pierce" <alaric02@...>
Date: Sat Nov 21, 2009 2:00 am
Subject: Wes Welker on the Third down play
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So Bill Simmons isn't my first choice for the analytical part yet I noticed in
his column he blamed Welker for cutting
outside on the third down play before the infamous call.  ALlegedly Welker had
the middle entirely open and Brady was
looking there but when Wes cut out Brady tried to adjust and force the throw we
all know was almost picked off for six
the other way.  Anyone still got the play to peek at and see if Simmons has any
merit in this claim?

Can't wait to have Welker against the Jets on Sunday!

Go Pats!
Zip
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#16274 From: "RandyZ. Pierce" <alaric02@...>
Date: Sat Nov 21, 2009 1:20 am
Subject: Bill Simmons on fourth-and-reckless
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While I still have an different opinion on the particular call, the article is
hillarious and has some good humor as
usual.



http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmonsnflpicks/091120

#16273 From: "colorfulgibbon1963" <colorfulgibbon1963@...>
Date: Fri Nov 20, 2009 6:36 pm
Subject: Re: The Play
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> his body and the ball are directly over the stripe. He is hit AFTER >that,

That's what I take to be critical, where the ball is when forward progress
stops.

-Rog




--- In patriotzip@yahoogroups.com, "George" <patswingr@...> wrote:
>
> I've made all of the comments I need to make about BB's coaching and
> decision making on that last series. But I do want to add something about
> the actual play, based upon the review I've seen tonight on 'NFL Total
> Access'. (It broadcasts a day later here in Thailand.)
>
> They showed the play from an angle I hadn't seen before. I was shot from a
> camera to the right rear of Brady. That angle clearly shows that the ball
> DID bounce off of Faulk's hands when it first hit them. It bounced INWARD,
> toward his body; and Faulk clutched it to his chest immediately. That
> happened in a fraction of a second. Faulk's left foot was on the ground,
> past the 30-yard line, when the ball first hit his hands, and bounced off.
> From that angle, you can clearly see that Faulk has full possession of the
> ball as his right foot hits the ground, also PAST the 30 yard line; and both
> his body and the ball are directly over the stripe. He is hit AFTER that,
> and driven back to the spot where the officials marked the ball. The
> "closer" on it comes from viewing the more commonly shown angle - the
> original "live" shot from behind Faulk. It's that shot that confirms that
> Faulk's body is over the line when his right foot hits the ground. Combine
> that with the other shot, showing that he HAD possession of the ball when
> that right foot hit the ground, and you have clear evidence that it WAS a
> bad call. The Patriots should have had the 1st down; and I think there's a
> good chance (though not a certainty) that it would have been re-marked as a
> 1st down on a review.
>
> All moot, as we've said before. I do not blame the official for his call on
> such a "bang-bang" play. There WAS a bobble, as he called. From his angle,
> without a view of the ball after it first hit Faulk's hands, it was a
> reasonable call. I just wanted to point out that, from what I've seen, it
> should have been a 1st down; and might have been reversed, IF we'd had a TO
> left with which to challenge it.
>
> OK. On to the Jets!
>
> George
>

#16272 From: "George" <patswingr@...>
Date: Fri Nov 20, 2009 2:28 am
Subject: RE: Disrespect the Jets
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Al, the line is "Just when I thought I was out, they pull me back in." ...
Oh, wait, I forgot. A cop can't be quoting a gangster. Just wouldn't be
right. :-)

But ... Yeah, since they had already blown the series with wasted time outs,
and the wrong play on 3rd down, they should have punted!
George




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Sent: Friday, November 20, 2009 3:14 AM
To: Patriot List; Zip List; Mark Morse; Ed Bryant
Subject: Re: Disrespect the Jets

Ed,

You are so right!!!  I said I would'nt post about the Colts game and I get
sucked right back in.

I will say this though.  This last week the list was very active and we had
a great debate.  We all gave our opinions and not one person got out of
hand. There was no name calling.  I thought it was lots of fun.

So lets all move on and focus at the task at hand.  Beat the Jets and move
closer in wrapping up our division and securing a spot in the playoffs.

I still say they should have punted the ball.  Guys relax I was only
kidding!!!   LOL

Big Al (trying to add humor)
---- Ed Bryant <edbryant36@...> wrote:
> I'm concerned here.  Sleuth supposedly moved on to thoughts of a 28th
World Championship and a win over the Jets this coming Sunday in the four
o'clock, nationally televised time slot.
>
> Let me refresh: we love Green, we hate green.  We love Green-Ellis, we
> hate green Ellis.
>
> And playing for the Eagles did not make Hobbs Green-Ellis, but only green
Ellis.  We should all pray for him, but the way.  If he ever plays again,
it's against my medical advice, which I am unqualified to give!!!
>
> The Jets are still in our division.  Indy's in our past.  We are
guaranteed one game in Miami, and one game versus the Saints, but if we want
two more of each, we need paradoxically to focus on one game at a time, and
the Colts aren't in it!!!!
>
>
>
> --- On Thu, 11/19/09, patsfanlt@... <patsfanlt@...> wrote:
>
> From: patsfanlt@... <patsfanlt@...>
> Subject: Re: Defense disrespected
> To: "Patriot List" <patriots@...>, "Zip List"
> <patriotzip@yahoogroups.com>, "Mark Morse" <packy001@...>
> Date: Thursday, November 19, 2009, 10:10 AM
>
> Mark,
>
> I can't take much value into Green's response to your question.  Its the
Patriot way.  He wont go against his coach and the coach wont go against
them.
>
> I do find it interesting what two former DEFENSIVE CAPTAINS had to say who
dont play for the Pats anymore.
>
> Big Al (got you thinking huh?)
> ---- Mark Morse <packy001@...> wrote:
> > I had a chance to chat with Jarvis Green Monday night at the signing and
fundraiser for his charity.  I asked Jarvis if he felt disrespected as
defensive player when BB went for it on 4 and 2.  Jarvis rollled his eyes
and shook his head and sttaed that he did feel disrespected.
> >
> > I think the leaders on defense (Wilfork, Mayo, Seau, Meriweather) will
jack up the defense this week in practice and they should come out with fire
in their eyes against the JESTS!
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#16271 From: "George" <patswingr@...>
Date: Fri Nov 20, 2009 1:50 am
Subject: RE: Re: The Zebra there in Indy
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Yes, Ed, that was the show that I saw here on Thursday night. They show it here as a "First Air", rather than "Live", since the latter would be at 6 AM here. We get it at 6 PM, 12 hours after the "live" broadcast.
 
As you said, Pereira refused to show a "stop action" shot of the angle I mentioned, in which Faulk clearly clutches the ball to his chest almost immediately after the millisecond loss of contact with it. At that point, his right foot hit the ground on the PLUS side of the 30, by at least a foot, and the ball was at least over, if not beyond the line. I know that he said it would likely not have been reversed. What did you expect him to say? Politics applies in the NFL also, you know. I've been watching that feature with him all season, and I love it. But I have yet to see him say that an official was wrong. He gives great explanations on the rules, which is why I like the feature. But he never says that an official made a mistake. I think it's part of his contract with the show. ;-)
 
It should have been a 1st down. And the officials made the right call on the 'Tuck Rule'. And Sugar Bear should not have been called for 'Roughing the passer'!
 
BEAT THE JETS!

George

 


From: patriotzip@yahoogroups.com [mailto:patriotzip@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Ed Bryant
Sent: Friday, November 20, 2009 12:17 AM
To: patriotzip@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [patriotzip] Re: The Zebra there in Indy

George, on Wednesday Night Eastern Time, right after New England lost to Indy in a 3 hour version of Replay (they're usually only 90 minutes), Rich Eisen had Mike Pereira on, and if you listen carefully to Pereira, he declines an invitation to say the call was right or wrong, but also praises the zebra for showing the juggling motion, and suggests in the strongest terms that the call was irreversible, and would have been irreversible if it had gone the other way.

I wonder why a side judge should be presumed NOT to have been distracted with the artistry of his juggling pantomine, but at the Thanksgiving table, he can sit near me, while the side judge from the Denver playoff game is outside, competing with the dogs for scraps of green beans and squash.  Even so, I'd rather he got the call wrong with a bit less mime, or got the call right.  I agree Faulk had control with his body on the good side of the line to gain, the necessary, the 30.   And I still run the ball on third down to force Indy to manage the clock; incomplete there is just unnecessary.

IIRC, we have not had a cliffhanger with the Jets in quite some time.  The Kaczur sack Two Game Losing Streak game was a seven point gap, and the come from down 13-0 season-making 2001 Meadowlands, first Belichick win over the Jets was just a three point game down to the end, but does anyone have a late lead change game versus the Jets since 9 11 2000? 

This time, the Hofstra karma is on our side.  Bill Belichick is not going to let Wayne Chrebet beat us.  Kyle Arrington will not blow up Leon Washington this week, but maybe Brad Smith or Justin Miller should be extra careful!!!! Hof-stra!

In a development that would be related to nothing, if not for me, Isaiah Stanback has been given a new shirt.  Kelley Washington, who once played professional baseball, used to wear 15, and Stanback, who played at the University of Washington, was drafted by MLB, even though he didn't play college baseball.

The Patriots haven't had a QB from UDub since Damon Huard, but I am withholding my vote to change that until Isaiah lines up once at QB for us; otherwise, he's just another Julian Edelman type! 


--- On Thu, 11/19/09, George <patswingr@...> wrote:

From: George <patswingr@...>
Subject: [patriotzip] The Play
To: patriotzip@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, November 19, 2009, 9:30 AM

 

I've made all of the comments I need to make about BB's coaching and decision making on that last series. But I do want to add something about the actual play, based upon the review I've seen tonight on 'NFL Total Access'. (It broadcasts a day later here in Thailand.)

They showed the play from an angle I hadn't seen before. I was shot from a camera to the right rear of Brady. That angle clearly shows that the ball DID bounce off of Faulk's hands when it first hit them. It bounced INWARD, toward his body; and Faulk clutched it to his chest immediately. That happened in a fraction of a second. Faulk's left foot was on the ground, past the 30-yard line, when the ball first hit his hands, and bounced off. From that angle, you can clearly see that Faulk has full possession of the ball as his right foot hits the ground, also PAST the 30 yard line; and both his body and the ball are directly over the stripe. He is hit AFTER that, and driven back to the spot where the officials marked the ball. The "closer" on it comes from viewing the more commonly shown angle - the original "live" shot from behind Faulk. It's that shot that confirms that Faulk's body is over the line when his right foot hits the ground. Combine that with the other shot, showing that he HAD possession of the ball when that right foot hit the ground, and you have clear evidence that it WAS a bad call. The Patriots should have had the 1st down; and I think there's a good chance (though not a certainty) that it would have been re-marked as a 1st down on a review.

All moot, as we've said before. I do not blame the official for his call on such a "bang-bang" play. There WAS a bobble, as he called. From his angle, without a view of the ball after it first hit Faulk's hands, it was a reasonable call. I just wanted to point out that, from what I've seen, it should have been a 1st down; and might have been reversed, IF we'd had a TO left with which to challenge it. 

OK. On to the Jets! 

George

 

 

 


#16270 From: "RandyZ. Pierce" <alaric02@...>
Date: Fri Nov 20, 2009 1:39 am
Subject: Fw: Defense disrespected
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I agree with Cecil that while we can't tell whether Mayo is feeding us the
Patriot Way line or not, this is exactly how
I would hope they looked at it.

After tonight I'll be fully on the Jets but I'm trying to clean through email
and get my preview finished...

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Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2009 1:33 PM
Subject: RE: Defense disrespected



I like the way Jerod Mayo phrased it in saying that the D looked at it as a
"challenge".  If the O didn't make it, he
had faith that we could stop them on a short field.  Now whether that's true or
not is open to question.  But that came
from someone who should know, who was actually involved in the game.



”We looked at it as a challenge. People say it was a lack of confidence in us.
But we looked at it as a challenge,”
Mayo said. ”We looked at it as coach having enough confidence in us to have a
short field. Unfortunately, we were
unable to step up to the challenge and get the job done. Hopefully we can get it
done this week. ”



Regarding Tedy's comments, Mayo had these comments:



To be honest, I have the ultimate respect for Tedy and everything he’s done for
this organization. But he’s not in this
locker room at this point in time,” Mayo said. ”He doesn’t know the feelings
that this defense or that this team has.
We still have our confidence. We still have our swagger. We’re going to go out
Sunday and show the media, I guess.”



Cecil (likes Mayo more and more and...)





> From: vraymond8@...
> To: patsfanlt@...; patriots@...; patriotzip@yahoogroups.com;
packy001@...
> Subject: RE: Defense disrespected
> Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 13:28:14 -0500
>
> I personaly don't value Tedy's and Rodney's opinions on that. What do they
know about coaching and managing a game
> compared to BB? Sunday's game had 2006 AFCCG written all over it from the
beginning. You would think that they should
> know better.
>
> Again, Archie Manning was reportedly praying for the Pats to punt in that
situation which pretty much telling that a
> lot of people on the Colts side were scared to death to see Pats going for it.
We should ask Tedy if we have prefer
> the Raiders to go for it on 4th and 1 during the Snow Bowl instead of punting.
I'm sure he was glad the Raidahs
> punted the ball.
>
> Ask yourself the question the other way around and you will apprecaite BB's
call.
>
> VR - does that mean that Gruden disrespected his offense?
>
> > Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 10:10:11 -0500
> > From: patsfanlt@...
> > To: patriots@...; patriotzip@yahoogroups.com; packy001@...
> > Subject: Re: Defense disrespected
> >
> > Mark,
> >
> > I can't take much value into Green's response to your question. Its the
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#16269 From: Steve Basile <avatar@...>
Date: Fri Nov 20, 2009 12:22 am
Subject: Re: Disrespecting the Jets
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As much as I've enjoyed the spirited discourse (here and at the Pub) on "the call" I agree--let's beat the Jets.

Some of you might find the "beer sign" depicted in my weekly mailing to our Pats fan club amusing. (seen here: http://bit.ly/3bSuzZ  look on the left) 

This mystery brew was on the "Featured Beer" menu of another local pub I visited while licking my wounds last Sunday night. Ouch.

B-E-A-T the J-E-T-S!
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On 10/20/09 7:53 PM, "Rich Carreiro" <rlcarr@...> wrote:

The Herald says that Edelman has suffered a broken arm.
(And that the Pats cut Galloway knowing it.)

http://www.bostonherald.com/blogs/sports/rap_sheet/index.php/2009/10/20/bad-break-at-receiver-patriots-rookie-julian-edelman-suffers-a-broken-arm/

#16268 From: "Don Diamant" <jeepndd@...>
Date: Thu Nov 19, 2009 6:38 pm
Subject: RE: Defense disrespected
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Vincent while I agree with you on this I would expect them to feel
disrespected as defensive and former defensive players.  They should want to
be out there and not happy when they are not.  Good players want to play
whether they can or can not.  They are in my opinion wrong but I like the
attitude.

Don

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I personaly don't value Tedy's and Rodney's opinions on that. What do they
know about coaching and managing a game compared to BB? Sunday's game had
2006 AFCCG written all over it from the beginning. You would think that they
should know better.

Again, Archie Manning was reportedly praying for the Pats to punt in that
situation which pretty much telling that a lot of people on the Colts side
were scared to death to see Pats going for it. We should ask Tedy if we have
prefer the Raiders to go for it on 4th and 1 during the Snow Bowl instead of
punting. I'm sure he was glad the Raidahs punted the ball.

Ask yourself the question the other way around and you will apprecaite BB's
call.

VR - does that mean that Gruden disrespected his offense?

#16267 From: Mike Benson <mbenson321@...>
Date: Thu Nov 19, 2009 5:35 pm
Subject: Re: This Peyton Manning
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Aamir,

I must admit, that first Peyton Manning commercial you referenced (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v6mfDJ02VCY) is absolutely hysterical. Apart from being a terrific QB, he's got a hell of a sense of humor. Can't help but liking him.


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Sent: Tue, November 17, 2009 9:53:43 AM
Subject: Re: [patriotzip] This Peyton Manning



Does Mr. Brady have TV commercials too? I'm sorry, I wasn't aware of them. But I am sure they are good too. Here are my two favorites of Mr. Manning:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v6mfDJ02VCY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_5HQ5OCEdMg


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Sent: Tue, November 17, 2009 9:38:06 AM
Subject: Re: [patriotzip] This Peyton Manning

 

But Manning has much better commercials.  Better quality and definitely higher quantity! :)


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Sent: Tue, November 17, 2009 8:20:29 AM
Subject: Re: [patriotzip] This Peyton Manning



Manning, 1976.  Brady, 1977.

Manning, one older brother.  Brady, three older sisters.

Manning was treated like a prince as a child, the son of the New Orleans Saints quarterback.  Brady was treated like a kid brother. 

Manning was the Lebron James of his NFL draft.  Not just number 1, but the person predicted to be number one.

Brady was drafted at 199, following quite a few quarterbacks you've probably never heard of!

Brady has worked very hard to make himself a pro quarterback despite starting near the bottom of the pile.  Manning started at the top of the pile, but he works just as hard as Brady!!!!

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Subject: [patriotzip] This Peyton Manning
To: patriotzip@yahoogro ups.com
Date: Tuesday, November 17, 2009, 8:16 AM

 

This Peyton Manning is a very good quarterback. I forgot to mention that when I wrote previously. I wonder if he is younger than Mr. Brady. He seems to be by the way he plays. He also seems to want to win more than Mr. Brady, at least that appeared to be the case on Sunday night. I look forward to seeing more of him. Or any player who performs so impressively, for that matter. I always thought he was funny on these TV commercials, but had no idea how fine an athlete he is.








#16266 From: Ed Bryant <edbryant36@...>
Date: Thu Nov 19, 2009 5:16 pm
Subject: Re: The Zebra there in Indy
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George, on Wednesday Night Eastern Time, right after New England lost to Indy in a 3 hour version of Replay (they're usually only 90 minutes), Rich Eisen had Mike Pereira on, and if you listen carefully to Pereira, he declines an invitation to say the call was right or wrong, but also praises the zebra for showing the juggling motion, and suggests in the strongest terms that the call was irreversible, and would have been irreversible if it had gone the other way.

I wonder why a side judge should be presumed NOT to have been distracted with the artistry of his juggling pantomine, but at the Thanksgiving table, he can sit near me, while the side judge from the Denver playoff game is outside, competing with the dogs for scraps of green beans and squash.  Even so, I'd rather he got the call wrong with a bit less mime, or got the call right.  I agree Faulk had control with his body on the good side of the line to gain, the necessary, the 30.   And I still run the ball on third down to force Indy to manage the clock; incomplete there is just unnecessary.

IIRC, we have not had a cliffhanger with the Jets in quite some time.  The Kaczur sack Two Game Losing Streak game was a seven point gap, and the come from down 13-0 season-making 2001 Meadowlands, first Belichick win over the Jets was just a three point game down to the end, but does anyone have a late lead change game versus the Jets since 9 11 2000? 

This time, the Hofstra karma is on our side.  Bill Belichick is not going to let Wayne Chrebet beat us.  Kyle Arrington will not blow up Leon Washington this week, but maybe Brad Smith or Justin Miller should be extra careful!!!! Hof-stra!

In a development that would be related to nothing, if not for me, Isaiah Stanback has been given a new shirt.  Kelley Washington, who once played professional baseball, used to wear 15, and Stanback, who played at the University of Washington, was drafted by MLB, even though he didn't play college baseball.

The Patriots haven't had a QB from UDub since Damon Huard, but I am withholding my vote to change that until Isaiah lines up once at QB for us; otherwise, he's just another Julian Edelman type! 


--- On Thu, 11/19/09, George <patswingr@...> wrote:

From: George <patswingr@...>
Subject: [patriotzip] The Play
To: patriotzip@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, November 19, 2009, 9:30 AM

 

I've made all of the comments I need to make about BB's coaching and decision making on that last series. But I do want to add something about the actual play, based upon the review I've seen tonight on 'NFL Total Access'. (It broadcasts a day later here in Thailand.)

They showed the play from an angle I hadn't seen before. I was shot from a camera to the right rear of Brady. That angle clearly shows that the ball DID bounce off of Faulk's hands when it first hit them. It bounced INWARD, toward his body; and Faulk clutched it to his chest immediately. That happened in a fraction of a second. Faulk's left foot was on the ground, past the 30-yard line, when the ball first hit his hands, and bounced off. From that angle, you can clearly see that Faulk has full possession of the ball as his right foot hits the ground, also PAST the 30 yard line; and both his body and the ball are directly over the stripe. He is hit AFTER that, and driven back to the spot where the officials marked the ball. The "closer" on it comes from viewing the more commonly shown angle - the original "live" shot from behind Faulk. It's that shot that confirms that Faulk's body is over the line when his right foot hits the ground. Combine that with the other shot, showing that he HAD possession of the ball when that right foot hit the ground, and you have clear evidence that it WAS a bad call. The Patriots should have had the 1st down; and I think there's a good chance (though not a certainty) that it would have been re-marked as a 1st down on a review.

All moot, as we've said before. I do not blame the official for his call on such a "bang-bang" play. There WAS a bobble, as he called. From his angle, without a view of the ball after it first hit Faulk's hands, it was a reasonable call. I just wanted to point out that, from what I've seen, it should have been a 1st down; and might have been reversed, IF we'd had a TO left with which to challenge it. 

OK. On to the Jets! 

George

 

 

 


#16265 From: Ed Bryant <edbryant36@...>
Date: Thu Nov 19, 2009 4:57 pm
Subject: Re: Disrespect the Jets
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I'm concerned here.  Sleuth supposedly moved on to thoughts of a 28th World Championship and a win over the Jets this coming Sunday in the four o'clock, nationally televised time slot.

Let me refresh: we love Green, we hate green.  We love Green-Ellis, we hate green Ellis. 

And playing for the Eagles did not make Hobbs Green-Ellis, but only green Ellis.  We should all pray for him, but the way.  If he ever plays again, it's against my medical advice, which I am unqualified to give!!!

The Jets are still in our division.  Indy's in our past.  We are guaranteed one game in Miami, and one game versus the Saints, but if we want two more of each, we need paradoxically to focus on one game at a time, and the Colts aren't in it!!!!



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Subject: Re: Defense disrespected
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Date: Thursday, November 19, 2009, 10:10 AM

Mark,

I can't take much value into Green's response to your question.  Its the Patriot way.  He wont go against his coach and the coach wont go against them.

I do find it interesting what two former DEFENSIVE CAPTAINS had to say who dont play for the Pats anymore.

Big Al (got you thinking huh?) 
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#16264 From: "George" <patswingr@...>
Date: Thu Nov 19, 2009 2:30 pm
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I've made all of the comments I need to make about BB's coaching and decision making on that last series. But I do want to add something about the actual play, based upon the review I've seen tonight on 'NFL Total Access'. (It broadcasts a day later here in Thailand.)

They showed the play from an angle I hadn't seen before. I was shot from a camera to the right rear of Brady. That angle clearly shows that the ball DID bounce off of Faulk's hands when it first hit them. It bounced INWARD, toward his body; and Faulk clutched it to his chest immediately. That happened in a fraction of a second. Faulk's left foot was on the ground, past the 30-yard line, when the ball first hit his hands, and bounced off. From that angle, you can clearly see that Faulk has full possession of the ball as his right foot hits the ground, also PAST the 30 yard line; and both his body and the ball are directly over the stripe. He is hit AFTER that, and driven back to the spot where the officials marked the ball. The "closer" on it comes from viewing the more commonly shown angle - the original "live" shot from behind Faulk. It's that shot that confirms that Faulk's body is over the line when his right foot hits the ground. Combine that with the other shot, showing that he HAD possession of the ball when that right foot hit the ground, and you have clear evidence that it WAS a bad call. The Patriots should have had the 1st down; and I think there's a good chance (though not a certainty) that it would have been re-marked as a 1st down on a review.

All moot, as we've said before. I do not blame the official for his call on such a "bang-bang" play. There WAS a bobble, as he called. From his angle, without a view of the ball after it first hit Faulk's hands, it was a reasonable call. I just wanted to point out that, from what I've seen, it should have been a 1st down; and might have been reversed, IF we'd had a TO left with which to challenge it. 

OK. On to the Jets! 

George

 

 

 


#16263 From: "Don Diamant" <jeepndd@...>
Date: Thu Nov 19, 2009 2:25 pm
Subject: RE: Re:One defense of Belichick
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So BB should have called for a punt to make a few fans less unhappy?  I suspect the reason he has a handful of Superbowl rings, five, is that he understands situational football quite well and knows what gives his team the best chance to win far better than any of us do.  Belichick may not win on every gamble but he’s definitely not an idiot.

 

Don

 


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Subject: [patriotzip] Re:One defense of Belichick

 

 

http://fifthdown.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/11/16/defending-belichicks-fourth-down-decision/

Thanks for the link, Rich. I admit math has never been my best subject.

 

This guy gives the league net average for punts at 38 yards. (That includes both the average punt and the average return.) That puts the Colts at their own 34. From that position, teams score touchdowns only 30% of the time. In other words, the defense has a 70% chance of stopping them.

 

Converting the 4th and 2 would allow the Patriots to keep the ball. This gives them a shot at another conversion which could let them run the clock out. If they don't convert that series and  then kick, the Colts get the ball with very little time and no time outs. Either way, the Pats shot at preventing a touchdown rises dramatically. The percentage given for converting the 4th and 2 is 60%. So there's a 60% chance of improving on the 70%.

 

Failing to convert put the Colts on the Pats 29. From that field position, teams score TDs 53% of the time. So going for it means you run a 40% risk of increasing your opponent's chances of scoring a TD 23%.

 

This guy crunches the numbers. With the highest Win Probability being 1, he looks at the 60% conversion success rate and against the 40% chance of a failure which brings in a 47% chance of preventing the other team from scoring anyway. He says that gives New England a 0.79 Win Probability.

 

He looks at the 70% chance of stopping a TD from the 34, and says that gives New England a 0.70 Win Probability.

 

Thus, he concludes that going for it is the best choice. 0.79 to 0.70.

 

Me, I look at it this way.

 

You have a 70% chance of preventing the touchdown.

A 60% chance of improving on that 70%.

A 40% chance of dramatically decreasing that 70%

 

To me, in my simple minded way of looking at things, I just say 70 is higher than 60. I'd kick it based on those numbers.

 

Of course, those are league averages, not Pats against the Colts this year numbers. In the previous 4 drives, the Colts scored touchdowns 50% of the time from deep in their own territory. Pats were netting 44 yards per punt in the game. If that held up, the Colts would start from their 28. The Pats were converting 50% of their 4th down attempts (5 of 10) before that attempt dropped them to 5 of 11. (I realize that we should really look only at 4th and 2s and 3rd and 2s for accurate numbers, but I don't have those numbers.) Having only raw 4th down numbers which include 4th and longs, there's a 50% chance of the defense stopping the Colts vs a 50% chance getting the first. It's the same. So you can take a 50/50 chance and look like an idiot if it doesn't work. Or you can take a 50/50 chance and look like you made a sound, sane decision. That's the way I see it.

 

Scott Sheaffer


#16262 From: kmacalp@...
Date: Thu Nov 19, 2009 6:19 am
Subject: Re:One defense of Belichick
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http://fifthdown.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/11/16/defending-belichicks-fourth-down-decision/

Thanks for the link, Rich. I admit math has never been my best subject.
 
This guy gives the league net average for punts at 38 yards. (That includes both the average punt and the average return.) That puts the Colts at their own 34. From that position, teams score touchdowns only 30% of the time. In other words, the defense has a 70% chance of stopping them.
 
Converting the 4th and 2 would allow the Patriots to keep the ball. This gives them a shot at another conversion which could let them run the clock out. If they don't convert that series and  then kick, the Colts get the ball with very little time and no time outs. Either way, the Pats shot at preventing a touchdown rises dramatically. The percentage given for converting the 4th and 2 is 60%. So there's a 60% chance of improving on the 70%.
 
Failing to convert put the Colts on the Pats 29. From that field position, teams score TDs 53% of the time. So going for it means you run a 40% risk of increasing your opponent's chances of scoring a TD 23%.
 
This guy crunches the numbers. With the highest Win Probability being 1, he looks at the 60% conversion success rate and against the 40% chance of a failure which brings in a 47% chance of preventing the other team from scoring anyway. He says that gives New England a 0.79 Win Probability.
 
He looks at the 70% chance of stopping a TD from the 34, and says that gives New England a 0.70 Win Probability.
 
Thus, he concludes that going for it is the best choice. 0.79 to 0.70.
 
Me, I look at it this way.
 
You have a 70% chance of preventing the touchdown.
A 60% chance of improving on that 70%.
A 40% chance of dramatically decreasing that 70%
 
To me, in my simple minded way of looking at things, I just say 70 is higher than 60. I'd kick it based on those numbers.
 
Of course, those are league averages, not Pats against the Colts this year numbers. In the previous 4 drives, the Colts scored touchdowns 50% of the time from deep in their own territory. Pats were netting 44 yards per punt in the game. If that held up, the Colts would start from their 28. The Pats were converting 50% of their 4th down attempts (5 of 10) before that attempt dropped them to 5 of 11. (I realize that we should really look only at 4th and 2s and 3rd and 2s for accurate numbers, but I don't have those numbers.) Having only raw 4th down numbers which include 4th and longs, there's a 50% chance of the defense stopping the Colts vs a 50% chance getting the first. It's the same. So you can take a 50/50 chance and look like an idiot if it doesn't work. Or you can take a 50/50 chance and look like you made a sound, sane decision. That's the way I see it.
 
Scott Sheaffer

#16261 From: kmacalp@...
Date: Thu Nov 19, 2009 5:38 am
Subject: Re: After Sleeping On It
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<Randy> 3) THey had put up 34 points and moved the ball generally well while you had allowed 28 and particularly struggled on
your last two drives. (a.k.a. earn it by dominating)
 
<Scott> That's not actually what happened. Of the previous two Indy drives, one ended with a touchdown, one ended with an interception. I'd have to check, but the Colts last four drives went like this.
1. Pats stopped the Colts
2. Colts scored a touchdown.
3. Pats stopped the Colts  (Wilhite interception)
4. Colts scored a touchdown.
 
Scott

#16260 From: Mark Morse <packy001@...>
Date: Thu Nov 19, 2009 2:53 am
Subject: Defense disrespected
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I had a chance to chat with Jarvis Green Monday night at the signing and
fundraiser for his charity.  I asked Jarvis if he felt disrespected as defensive
player when BB went for it on 4 and 2.  Jarvis rollled his eyes and shook his
head and sttaed that he did feel disrespected.

I think the leaders on defense (Wilfork, Mayo, Seau, Meriweather) will jack up
the defense this week in practice and they should come out with fire in their
eyes against the JESTS!
 
 <font face="comic sans ms" color="#438059" size="5">Mark </font>

#16259 From: "colorfulgibbon1963" <colorfulgibbon1963@...>
Date: Wed Nov 18, 2009 5:24 am
Subject: Re:After Sleeping On It
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> I love your scenario for a few reasons.  Back in 2003 Bellichick cut the
defensive captain Lawyer Milloy.  Then as now
> Tedy Bruschi made some very strong comments about it and that was exactly what
the team needed.  I think it was Ed who
> pointed this out to me in a side discussion but basically Bruschi getting the
words out kept it from being the
> lingering unsaid thing for several weeks.

That's what I'm talking about.  A veteran can take the lead and see that the
conversation is a positive conversation.

-Roger






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>
> I love your scenario for a few reasons.  Back in 2003 Bellichick cut the
defensive captain Lawyer Milloy.  Then as now
> Tedy Bruschi made some very strong comments about it and that was exactly what
the team needed.  I think it was Ed who
> pointed this out to me in a side discussion but basically Bruschi getting the
words out kept it from being the
> lingering unsaid thing for several weeks.
>
> I have no idea how Bellichick would directly handle it because I'm never
privvy to such internal discussions but some
> of the potential in his arsenal include:
>
> 1) statistically my decision is the best choice for victory.
> 2) My offense could ask the same thing if I didn't give them the chance and
frankly they  were facing the weaker part
> of the Colts team (their defense) as opposed to you facing the strength of the
colts (their offense)
> 3)  THey had put up 34 points and moved the ball generally well while you had
allowed 28 and particularly struggled on
> your last two drives. (a.k.a. earn it by dominating)
> 4)  This way I gave both of you a chance and both units failed - so both of
you have a lot of work on executin ahead.
> 5)  I had a punt unit problem with several key members of the team missing...
> 6) I make the choices to best win the games and that was my choice your roles
are to execute in every sitation as well
> as you can - do your job.  I will evaluate all the choices I make to ensure
I'm still giving us the best chance to win
> and your job is to do the same here (film example) ...here...(film example) ad
infinitum)
>
> Bottom line is that I do believe BB mishandled the whole series leading up to
that one decision and I do believe he
> hand-cuffed the defense with his schemes prior to this.  I even think he blew
the strategy immediately after the
> turnover on downs in which I'd have sold the farm defensively to use single
coverage and all out blitz...if it burned
> us then it did so quickly and we get a chance to drive for a field goal.  If
it doesn't...well that would be good too!
>
> Go Pats!
> Zip.
>

#16258 From: Kevin Morgan <ps2dad@...>
Date: Tue Nov 17, 2009 10:00 pm
Subject: Re: Re:After Sleeping On It
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There is no room for whiners on this team.  From what I've been reading in the many posts and articles about this game, there are already plenty of whiners within the fan base and the media.  Don't you agree that BB has probably already addressed his game-time decisions with the players and staff, and the team has moved on by now?  Talk about beating a dead horse!  Go Pats! 
 BTW, that last call about Faulk bobbling then securing the ball was wrong.  I watched it very closely, and it was a first down.  He had it right away. 
Anything can happen, to Anyone, at Anytime.



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Sent: Tue, November 17, 2009 4:19:23 PM
Subject: RE: [patriotzip] Re:After Sleeping On It

 

Cut him or not resign him, team players don’t do that.

 

Don

 


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To: patriotzip@yahoogro ups.com
Subject: [patriotzip] Re:After Sleeping On It

 

 

Steve Young in last night's wrap up after Monday Night Football, looked at it, punt unit sent out, then Brady sent out, then time out . . . and because of the way it was done, it was a bad call. That's what he said.

In poker, if you hem and haw and then make a move, you're almost sure to be called. In fact, that's a great way to induce a call!

Okay, I think we agree on the defense. Bill's job is to make smart decisions and win games, and not go tip-toeing around afraid that he's might hurt people's feelings.

Okay, next practice, he's going to be matter-of-fact, workmanlike, what needs to get done today. Now, let's suppose one of the veterans on defense feels he needs to speak up on behalf of some of the younger players who might say some stuff in a way that doesn't need to be said. So the veteran says, 'Coach, a lot of the guys feel disappointed that you didn't give us more of a chance.'

And how might Bill respond to that?

-Rog




#16257 From: "Don Diamant" <jeepndd@...>
Date: Tue Nov 17, 2009 9:19 pm
Subject: RE: Re:After Sleeping On It
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Cut him or not resign him, team players don’t do that.

 

Don

 


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Steve Young in last night's wrap up after Monday Night Football, looked at it, punt unit sent out, then Brady sent out, then time out . . . and because of the way it was done, it was a bad call. That's what he said.

In poker, if you hem and haw and then make a move, you're almost sure to be called. In fact, that's a great way to induce a call!

Okay, I think we agree on the defense. Bill's job is to make smart decisions and win games, and not go tip-toeing around afraid that he's might hurt people's feelings.

Okay, next practice, he's going to be matter-of-fact, workmanlike, what needs to get done today. Now, let's suppose one of the veterans on defense feels he needs to speak up on behalf of some of the younger players who might say some stuff in a way that doesn't need to be said. So the veteran says, 'Coach, a lot of the guys feel disappointed that you didn't give us more of a chance.'

And how might Bill respond to that?

-Rog



#16256 From: "RandyZ. Pierce" <alaric02@...>
Date: Tue Nov 17, 2009 6:55 pm
Subject: Re: This Peyton Manning
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Both are excellent quarterbacks and both are part of a team which decides
whether we win or lose.  I'd happily take
Brady over Manning every time thus far I've evaluated their games.  I'd take
Peyton above any other present quarterback
though.

Go Pats!
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