Looks like everything I just wrote just dissappeared so I'll try and
start over.
I have made contact with several groups and us being covered or
sharing coverage is not out of the question. We do, however, need to
expedite our organization. I have spoken with several groups regarding
the insurance issues, and there is the possibility of working with
them. We do need to file our 501-C3 and appoint a director and officers
(I'll have more info tomorrow). I am a member of BLYC and Jeff is an
Officer there so he may be able to provide some assistance there. They
are a wonderful group that promote all things to do with sailing. I
have spoken with my wife and my house is fine for a meeting this
weekend. Sunday may be best. The ILCA has given me a
the name of the insurance provider they prefer, so I will be
contacting them tommorrow. I am hoping we will have some interest in
poeple wanting to take officer positions in our fleet so we can share
the workload while we get this going as well as providing a strong
base for the future.
  Please respond
  John Nuffer

John

A meeting at your house would be great.

I will try to get in touch with Tom Minahan to find
out more about the Friends of the Jordanelle, if they
carry an insurance policy and if we can link ourselves
to them to speed up the process.  Can you find out how
much liability coverage we need?  I assume that the
"Friends" has some liability coverage since they teach
sailing out on the Jordanelle.

Geoff

--- John Nuffer <johnnuffer@...> wrote:

> We need to step up the pace a bit or this won't
> happen. There are
> several issues associateed with getting any sport
> oriented group
> going that (because of all the lawyers) have to be
> dealt with. Just
> because the ice has melted doesn't mean we can just
> proceed. We are
> in utah not the Midwest. We need insurance, so we
> need to file a 501-
> C3. So we need to have officers and a director, and
> register all of
> these things takes time. I propose that we meet at
> my house this
> weekend to work out what we can(enough to really get
> the ball
> rolling), so we can do a public service announcement
> on KPCW and
> KCPW to get more notice out there. I should have
> rough numbers on
> insurance, race commitee equipment, etc. by tomorrow
> so we can have
> a meeting this weekend. I've talked to my wife and
> my place is fine.
>  I feel that Geoff has personally shouldered  a lot
> in getting this
> going and now the rest of us need to buck up and get
> it done. I feel
> I need to reiterate that time is now of the essence,
> as Memorial Day
> is soon upon us. And if we intend for the first
> series to start
> then, than we have much business to conduct quickly!
>
> Please respond,
>  John Nuffer
>
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We need to step up the pace a bit or this won't happen. There are
several issues associateed with getting any sport oriented group
going that (because of all the lawyers) have to be dealt with. Just
because the ice has melted doesn't mean we can just proceed. We are
in utah not the Midwest. We need insurance, so we need to file a 501-
C3. So we need to have officers and a director, and register all of
these things takes time. I propose that we meet at my house this
weekend to work out what we can(enough to really get the ball
rolling), so we can do a public service announcement on KPCW and
KCPW to get more notice out there. I should have rough numbers on
insurance, race commitee equipment, etc. by tomorrow so we can have
a meeting this weekend. I've talked to my wife and my place is fine.
I feel that Geoff has personally shouldered a lot in getting this
going and now the rest of us need to buck up and get it done. I feel
I need to reiterate that time is now of the essence, as Memorial Day
is soon upon us. And if we intend for the first series to start
then, than we have much business to conduct quickly!

Please respond,
John Nuffer

We need to step up the pace a bit or this won't happen. There are
several issues associateed with getting any sport oriented group
going that (because of all the lawyers) have to be dealt with. Just
because the ice has melted doesn't mean we can just proceed. We are
in utah not the Midwest. We need insurance, so we need to file a 501-
C3. So we need to have officers and a director, and register all of
these things takes time. I propose that we meet at my house this
weekend to work out what we can(enough to really get the ball
rolling), so we can do a public service announcement on KPCW and
KCPW to get more notice out there. I should have rough numbers on
insurance, race commitee equipment, etc. by tomorrow so we can have
a meeting this weekend. I've talked to my wife and my place is fine.
  I feel that Geoff has personally shouldered  a lot in getting this
going and now the rest of us need to buck up and get it done. I feel
I need to reiterate that time is now of the essence, as Memorial Day
is soon upon us. And if we intend for the first series to start
then, than we have much business to conduct quickly!

Please respond,
  John Nuffer

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Sailing Regatta, at Deer Creek Reservoir, June 21st & 22nd, 2008.
Registration at 9:00am, Skippers meeting 10:00am at the Sailboat
Beach pavilion.
3-5 races Saturday, 2-3 races Sunday followed by medal awards.
Windsurfer class will be on Alpha course set perpendicular to
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Catamaran, Dinghy classes on Bravo course, adjacent to Rainbow Bay in
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For those wanting to camp over with us Friday the 20th and Saturday
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Join us for a really fun event, it was an absolute RIOT last year!

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Sincerely,
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I've spoken with some folks at Utah summer games. They will be posting
infos for all who are interested. The Laser events will be on Deer
Creek in late June. It sounds like a great event. Last year only 3
lasers showed up. Let's try for ten or more.

John

I've spoken with some folks at Utah summer games. They will be posting
infos for all who are interested. The Laser events will be on Deer
Creek in late June. It sounds like a great event. Last year only 3
lasers showed up. Let's try for ten or more.

John

Saw this listing on Craigslist for a 1978 Laser for
$750.  If somebody needs a boat this is a great grab
for a series boat.  It does come with a full rig and
sail as well as the "M" rig sail they list.

http://saltlakecity.craigslist.org/boa/657256819.html

Geoff


      
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As for the regatta, it would be great to promote
something that already exists, like the Utah Summer
games in early June.  If we could get a number of
Lasers there and promote it to the Colorado group and
District 23 in general, it could turn out to be a
great one-design start for the Lasers.

I agree that we should get together and decide on some
basic foundation points for this racing group.  When
and where do you propose we meet?  Anybody who is
interested should plan to be there.  I am free most of
these weeknights.

I did stop by the Jordanelle office this afternoon but
nobody was in the office.  I will try to find somebody
tomorrow.

Geoff


--- John Nuffer <johnnuffer@...> wrote:

> I think we should get together next week to get some
> things organized.
> We need to come up with a budget and figure out
> things like dues, etc.
> We need to procure race committee stuff and race
> marks. I've sent
> George at West Coast Sailing a PM to see what they
> can do for us.
> Sounds like Gary is willing to let us use his boat,
> but it may need
> minor maintenance, charge batteries, etc. Also need
> to consider a
> regatta somewhere to get others from district 23
> interested. Ideas?
> Suggestions?
> John
>
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I think we should get together next week to get some things organized.
We need to come up with a budget and figure out things like dues, etc.
We need to procure race committee stuff and race marks. I've sent
George at West Coast Sailing a PM to see what they can do for us.
Sounds like Gary is willing to let us use his boat, but it may need
minor maintenance, charge batteries, etc. Also need to consider a
regatta somewhere to get others from district 23 interested. Ideas?
Suggestions?
John

My bet is that the water temp won't be over 50 until June.  I've surfed
in 52 degree water with a 5/4 mm wetsuit and found that was still
pretty chilly (ice cream headache!). (The way I sail I spend about the
same amount of time in the water as when I use to surf.)

A spotter of some sort would alleviate a lot of concerns.  Otherwise,
if the air temp was not much warmer, I would be inclined to use a dry
suit.  I've seen where some frostbite groups adopt a 100 degree rule
where you add the air temp and water temp and it has to be over a 100
or they don't go out.  Certainly the wind strength would be a major
consideration in these types of conditions.

With the right provisions, I would be willing to give it a shot during
the weekends leading up to Memorial Day, schedules permitting.

Scott,
DogOnIt II




--- In parkcitylaser@yahoogroups.com, "John Nuffer" <johnnuffer@...>
wrote:
>
> I'll certainly be out there before memorial day. That's why we buy
> gear for cold conditions. I would like some spotters though. Maybe in
> their own boats!
>

Maybe we can organize some training days here shortly,
on the weekends, until the series starts.  Totally
informal but we can work on having a crash boat and
people can work together to improve their skills,
including possibly some video work.


--- John Nuffer <johnnuffer@...> wrote:

> I'll certainly be out there before memorial day.
> That's why we buy
> gear for cold conditions. I would like some spotters
> though. Maybe in
> their own boats!
>
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I'll certainly be out there before memorial day. That's why we buy
gear for cold conditions. I would like some spotters though. Maybe in
their own boats!

We don't have any plans to start before Memorial Day
weekend, any sooner would be too cold I believe.
Tentatively we'll say that the first Tuesday of racing
is going to be May 27th.

Right now we're looking at racing from May 27th until
September 16th.  For now we'll base the season trophy
on the compilation of the entire season of racing.  In
the future we'll probably run a Spring and Summer
series.  We usually will plan to run 4-6 short races
each Tuesday night consisting of a more tactical
course, a windward/leeward/windward with the
start/finish in the middle.

I'm headed down to the Jordanelle this afternoon
hopefully to check in with the management down there
to see if there's any questions.

Geoff



--- Scott Hallenberg <shallenberg2002@...>
wrote:

> What is the threshold water temperature does it have
> to reach before you plan to get out there?  With the
> intense snow pack this year, the melt will likely
> keep things pretty chilly for a while.
>
>   Scott
>   DogOnIT II
>
> Geoff Hurwitch <geoffh437@...> wrote:
>           That's great news! What a relief that the
> water is
> finally showing out there! Thanks for the update.
>
> The guy with the 4.7 Laser sail for sale is Scott
> Hallenberg. His phone number is 801-680-9008 and he
> lives in Pinebrook.
>
> Geoff
>
> --- John Nuffer <johnnuffer@...> wrote:
>
> > I went to the Jordanelle today. About half the ice
> > is gone. It is open
> > from the PWC ramp to the dam and all the way up
> the
> > east arm. I also
> > went to Rockport and it is almost completely open.
> > Both should be
> > entirely clear in another week.
> >
> > John Nuffer
> >
> >
>
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I'm not sure, But I am gonna dig out my wetsuits. I also need a new
pair of boots before I get out there. I know that cold water is
dangerous but I know kayakers that are out there already and they
are practically submerged.

John
  --- In parkcitylaser@yahoogroups.com, Scott Hallenberg
<shallenberg2002@...> wrote:
>
> What is the threshold water temperature does it have to reach
before you plan to get out there?  With the intense snow pack this
year, the melt will likely keep things pretty chilly for a while.
>
>   Scott
>   DogOnIT II
>
> Geoff Hurwitch <geoffh437@...> wrote:
>           That's great news! What a relief that the water is
> finally showing out there! Thanks for the update.
>
> The guy with the 4.7 Laser sail for sale is Scott
> Hallenberg. His phone number is 801-680-9008 and he
> lives in Pinebrook.
>
> Geoff
>
> --- John Nuffer <johnnuffer@...> wrote:
>
> > I went to the Jordanelle today. About half the ice
> > is gone. It is open
> > from the PWC ramp to the dam and all the way up the
> > east arm. I also
> > went to Rockport and it is almost completely open.
> > Both should be
> > entirely clear in another week.
> >
> > John Nuffer
> >
> >
>
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That's great news! What a relief that the water is
finally showing out there! Thanks for the update.

The guy with the 4.7 Laser sail for sale is Scott
Hallenberg. His phone number is 801-680-9008 and he
lives in Pinebrook.

Geoff

--- John Nuffer <johnnuffer@yahoo.com> wrote:

> I went to the Jordanelle today. About half the ice
> is gone. It is open
> from the PWC ramp to the dam and all the way up the
> east arm. I also
> went to Rockport and it is almost completely open.
> Both should be
> entirely clear in another week.
>
> John Nuffer
>
>

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That's great news!  What a relief that the water is
finally showing out there!  Thanks for the update.

The guy with the 4.7 Laser sail for sale is Scott
Hallenberg.  His phone number is 801-680-9008 and he
lives in Pinebrook.

Geoff


--- John Nuffer <johnnuffer@...> wrote:

> I went to the Jordanelle today. About half the ice
> is gone. It is open
> from the PWC ramp to the dam and all the way up the
> east arm. I also
> went to Rockport and it is almost completely open.
> Both should be
> entirely clear in another week.
>
> John Nuffer
>
>



      
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I went to the Jordanelle today. About half the ice is gone. It is open
from the PWC ramp to the dam and all the way up the east arm. I also
went to Rockport and it is almost completely open. Both should be
entirely clear in another week.

John Nuffer

Geoff, I've recieved something interesting from GSLYC . I'll try to
forward it to your e- mail but my computer skills are questionable at
best.
John

Scott

I think we need to avoid Intensity sails altogether.
It's for a couple of reasons, first of all we need to
promote one-design racing and those sails are not
class legal.  Many arguments will come out for and
against those sails if we allow them.  Also, we need
to keep supporting the companies that support Laser
sailing and Intensity is not one of them.  We don't
need fresh, crispy sails to be fast.  I think you'll
find it's the pilot on the boat that almost always has
a bigger influence on the result rather than the
sails.  This shouldn't be an "arms race".

Geoff

--- Scott Hallenberg <shallenberg2002@...>
wrote:

> I would imagine that as interest grows there would
> be benefit for both the local and internet based
> companies.  In addition to West Coast Sailing,
> Intensity Sails offers a great sail replacement
> option, particularly for the older boats and
> potential rental boats.  Granted they are not
> "technically legal" for official class events, in my
> opinion, they are a worthwhile purchase for anyone
> on a budget who still wants great and lasting
> performance.  (I'll stop here as this starting to
> sound like one of those Male Enhancement
> commercials-egads!)
>
>   Scott
>   DogOnIt II
>
> Geoff Hurwitch <geoffh437@...> wrote:
>           Scott
>
> That's great news! Other than John Nuffer having
> some
> initial discussions with him regarding R/C gear, we
> did not have any experience with him re:purchases.
> He
> also has a few used boats including 2005 and 2006
> years so I imagine we'll be talking to him regarding
> possible boat purchases when the time comes. We will
> also be supporting the local dealer but we'll see
> how
> much the Jordanelle wants to invest in the Laser.
>
> Geoff
>
> --- Scott Hallenberg <shallenberg2002@...>
> wrote:
>
> > Geoff et al,
> > After a few emails, I just got off the phone
> > with George from West
> > Coast Sailing. We're working out delivery of a
> > Kitty Hawk trailer and
> > Radial Mast section. I told him I was getting
> > involved with PC Laser
> > group, and like he had mentioned to you, he
> > reiterated he would help in
> > anyway he could. He might even try to make a trip
> > out here later this
> > summer with some schwagg!!
> > I just wanted to pass along for the benefit of
> > the group that he
> > is a great resource with some of the best prices I
> > have seen.
> >
> > Scott
> > DogOnIt II
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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That's great news! Other than John Nuffer having some
initial discussions with him regarding R/C gear, we
did not have any experience with him re:purchases. He
also has a few used boats including 2005 and 2006
years so I imagine we'll be talking to him regarding
possible boat purchases when the time comes. We will
also be supporting the local dealer but we'll see how
much the Jordanelle wants to invest in the Laser.

Geoff

--- Scott Hallenberg <shallenberg2002@yahoo.com>
wrote:

> Geoff et al,
> After a few emails, I just got off the phone
> with George from West
> Coast Sailing. We're working out delivery of a
> Kitty Hawk trailer and
> Radial Mast section. I told him I was getting
> involved with PC Laser
> group, and like he had mentioned to you, he
> reiterated he would help in
> anyway he could. He might even try to make a trip
> out here later this
> summer with some schwagg!!
> I just wanted to pass along for the benefit of
> the group that he
> is a great resource with some of the best prices I
> have seen.
>
> Scott
> DogOnIt II
>
>
>
>
>

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That's great news!  Other than John Nuffer having some
initial discussions with him regarding R/C gear, we
did not have any experience with him re:purchases.  He
also has a few used boats including 2005 and 2006
years so I imagine we'll be talking to him regarding
possible boat purchases when the time comes.  We will
also be supporting the local dealer but we'll see how
much the Jordanelle wants to invest in the Laser.

Geoff


--- Scott Hallenberg <shallenberg2002@...>
wrote:

> Geoff et al,
>      After a few emails, I just got off the phone
> with George from West
> Coast Sailing.  We're working out delivery of a
> Kitty Hawk trailer and
> Radial Mast section.  I told him I was getting
> involved with PC Laser
> group, and like he had mentioned to you, he
> reiterated he would help in
> anyway he could.  He might even try to make a trip
> out here later this
> summer with some schwagg!!
>       I just wanted to pass along for the benefit of
> the group that he
> is a great resource with some of the best prices I
> have seen.
>
> Scott
> DogOnIt II
>
>
>
>
>


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      After a few emails, I just got off the phone with George from West
Coast Sailing.  We're working out delivery of a Kitty Hawk trailer and
Radial Mast section.  I told him I was getting involved with PC Laser
group, and like he had mentioned to you, he reiterated he would help in
anyway he could.  He might even try to make a trip out here later this
summer with some schwagg!!
       I just wanted to pass along for the benefit of the group that he
is a great resource with some of the best prices I have seen.

Scott
DogOnIt II

--- In parkcitylaser@yahoogroups.com, Geoff Hurwitch <geoffh437@...>
wrote:
>
> It will definitely be a weeknight, that's for sure.
> I'm all up for taking a poll later on when we have
> word from the Jordanelle about doing this and when we
> have enough voices to have a poll.
>
>
> --- Scott Hallenberg <shallenberg2002@...>
> wrote:
>
> > Geoff,
> >     I would imagine it would come down to a majority
> > rules for a M, Tu,
> > Thursday night--whatever gets the most people on the
> > water and racing.
> > Weekends would be difficult laser racing with all
> > the PWC and ski
> > boats.
> >
> > Scott
> > DogOnIt II
> > > >
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Geoff, I have posted in both the BLYC and GSLYC forums and I have
spoken to some folks at the GSL marina. Sounds like there are quite
a few laser sailors in the area. Let me know what you would like
help with.
John Nuffer

It will definitely be a weeknight, that's for sure.
I'm all up for taking a poll later on when we have
word from the Jordanelle about doing this and when we
have enough voices to have a poll.


--- Scott Hallenberg <shallenberg2002@...>
wrote:

> Geoff,
>     I would imagine it would come down to a majority
> rules for a M, Tu,
> Thursday night--whatever gets the most people on the
> water and racing.
> Weekends would be difficult laser racing with all
> the PWC and ski
> boats.
>
> Scott
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     I would imagine it would come down to a majority rules for a M, Tu,
Thursday night--whatever gets the most people on the water and racing.
Weekends would be difficult laser racing with all the PWC and ski
boats.

Scott
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Thanks, I felt it was worthwhile to quickly build a
site where anybody can go for information so we don't
lose people.

It is a little icy out there but with the warm weather
forecasted, starting Saturday, we should see a lot of
this snow really melt.  It will be interesting to see
what happens around here after a couple of days in PC
in the sixties.

As for the day, I'm open to any day but it won't be
Wednesday, so we don't conflict with the racing on the
GSL for anybody who wants to do both.  My feeling is
that we could look at Monday, Tuesday or Thursday as
nobody would want to do a Friday series and wreck
their weekends.

Geoff

--- Scott Hallenberg <shallenberg2002@...>
wrote:

> Geoff,
>      Nice job getting the group set up and great
> video in the files
> folder!  I'm looking forward to a great laser summer
> (though, currently
> I'm wishing I had and ice boat after looking at
> Jordanelle recently.)
> For now, I guess watching the Rooster videos and
> waiting for the snow
> to melt is the best I can do.
>      I know you are thinking about a Tuesday night
> race series which
> will be fantastic.  With my current schedule (alway
> subject to change)
> I likely won't be able to make many of these but
> would like to do some
> work-ups on Monday evenings for anyone interested.
>       I'll stay tuned for any updates and will help
> out where possible.
>
> Scott
>
>


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Geoff,
      Nice job getting the group set up and great video in the files
folder!  I'm looking forward to a great laser summer (though, currently
I'm wishing I had and ice boat after looking at Jordanelle recently.)
For now, I guess watching the Rooster videos and waiting for the snow
to melt is the best I can do.
      I know you are thinking about a Tuesday night race series which
will be fantastic.  With my current schedule (alway subject to change)
I likely won't be able to make many of these but would like to do some
work-ups on Monday evenings for anyone interested.
       I'll stay tuned for any updates and will help out where possible.

Scott

Thanks for joining us at Park City Laser Racing.  Spring is coming and we're
looking forward
to gathering a bunch of dedicated sailors on the waters of the Jordanelle
Reservoir for some
good Laser racing this Summer.