Hi everyone....I would like to join up with the group that is doing a

20km run at Sulphur at 8.30pm this Friday 16th. I will be driving down

from Huntsville, going directly to the run.



I don't like the idea of driving back to Huntsville that same evening

and would like to do a daytime run there on the Saturday if possible.

Is anyone planning a Saturday run?



Cameron has been kind enough to offer a bed at his place for Friday

night.(I will be pacing him during the last two laps of his 100 at

Sulphur) However his place is an hour from Sulphur, so I was wondering

if anyone who lives closer might have a spare bed available.



I realise that this is very 'last minute' and that it is a holiday

weekend. Also, being very new to this sport (a two race 'veteran'!),

not many of you have met me yet. Anyway, I just thought that I would

ask anyway.



regards,



Neil Jefferson

Hi Neil.



I am also new to ultra running (or so it would seem after my

Garanaska results)...



I am planning to run the new Creemore course Saturday morning circa

08:30 and since Creemore is between Hamilton and Huntsville (if you

squint your eyes) you are welcome to stay the night.  I have a tree

house with lights, electricity and heat (yeah, I know, very

strange).  Creemore is about 1.5 hours from Hamilton.



Note to all:  The Saturday run is open to anyone who would like to

run 25K and critique the new hills I am thinking of adding to the

course.  They are little hills, similar to the current 4 hills.



Cheers!



--- In ous-l@yahoogroups.com, "kiwi.trailrunner" <jumanji96@...>

wrote:

>

> Hi everyone....I would like to join up with the group that is doing

a

> 20km run at Sulphur at 8.30pm this Friday 16th. I will be driving

down

> from Huntsville, going directly to the run.

>

> I don't like the idea of driving back to Huntsville that same

evening

> and would like to do a daytime run there on the Saturday if

possible.

> Is anyone planning a Saturday run?

>

> Cameron has been kind enough to offer a bed at his place for Friday

> night.(I will be pacing him during the last two laps of his 100 at

> Sulphur) However his place is an hour from Sulphur, so I was

wondering

> if anyone who lives closer might have a spare bed available.

>

> I realise that this is very 'last minute' and that it is a holiday

> weekend. Also, being very new to this sport (a two race 'veteran'!),

> not many of you have met me yet. Anyway, I just thought that I would

> ask anyway.

>

> regards,

>

> Neil Jefferson

>

Pierre: Instead of little hills you could refer to them as ''rises".

   And I am  not fooled by your reference to "same as the other 4 hills"



   And while Pierre is reading this, Hammer puts out some good product which may

help with your cramping.

   They have electrolite pills as well as a powder product "Sustained Energy"

which should be used for exercise lasting more than 3 hours (I know I need

that). You can add that to your water.Speaking of water, I read that cramping is

due to de-hyrdration but you know you need to drink lots.

   If you don't want to carry all that stuff, you could leave some at a drop

zone.



   Good luck.









Pierre Marcoux <Pierre_Marcoux@...> wrote:

           Hi Neil.



I am also new to ultra running (or so it would seem after my

Garanaska results)...



I am planning to run the new Creemore course Saturday morning circa

08:30 and since Creemore is between Hamilton and Huntsville (if you

squint your eyes) you are welcome to stay the night. I have a tree

house with lights, electricity and heat (yeah, I know, very

strange). Creemore is about 1.5 hours from Hamilton.



Note to all: The Saturday run is open to anyone who would like to

run 25K and critique the new hills I am thinking of adding to the

course. They are little hills, similar to the current 4 hills.



Cheers!



--- In ous-l@yahoogroups.com, "kiwi.trailrunner" <jumanji96@...>

wrote:

>

> Hi everyone....I would like to join up with the group that is doing

a

> 20km run at Sulphur at 8.30pm this Friday 16th. I will be driving

down

> from Huntsville, going directly to the run.

>

> I don't like the idea of driving back to Huntsville that same

evening

> and would like to do a daytime run there on the Saturday if

possible.

> Is anyone planning a Saturday run?

>

> Cameron has been kind enough to offer a bed at his place for Friday

> night.(I will be pacing him during the last two laps of his 100 at

> Sulphur) However his place is an hour from Sulphur, so I was

wondering

> if anyone who lives closer might have a spare bed available.

>

> I realise that this is very 'last minute' and that it is a holiday

> weekend. Also, being very new to this sport (a two race 'veteran'!),

> not many of you have met me yet. Anyway, I just thought that I would

> ask anyway.

>

> regards,

>

> Neil Jefferson

>













Keep on runnin'

Duff

and here are your thought(s) for the day:



Have you ever observed how invincible and unconquerable is spirit and how the

presence of it makes the soul of any creature to be absolutely fearless and

indomitable?



--Plato,  The Republic Book II





You tried and failed miserably.. so the lesson is .. never try.

--Homer Simpson



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Hey Duff.



Thanks for the advice.  Most likely I was dehydrated to start the

race.  I have also tried eload pills once upon a time, which helped,

so I need to prepare better for 50K races.  Perhaps when I grow old,

I'll learn better?  (50 in June).



-- In ous-l@yahoogroups.com, A-DUFF MCLAREN <duffmclaren@...> wrote:

>

> Pierre: Instead of little hills you could refer to them as ''rises".

>   And I am  not fooled by your reference to "same as the other 4

hills"

>

>   And while Pierre is reading this, Hammer puts out some good

product which may help with your cramping.

>   They have electrolite pills as well as a powder

product "Sustained Energy" which should be used for exercise lasting

more than 3 hours (I know I need that). You can add that to your

water.Speaking of water, I read that cramping is due to de-hyrdration

but you know you need to drink lots.

>   If you don't want to carry all that stuff, you could leave some

at a drop zone.

>

>   Good luck.

>

>

>

>

Growing old didn't seem to help me at Creemore last year. ECaps and plenty of

fluids do seem to help prevent cramping. Lying on the ground in poison ivy

cramping up while other runners step over you to get to the finish line isn't

fun.



   Hope to see everyone at Sulphur Springs in less then two weeks.



   Gord



Pierre Marcoux <Pierre_Marcoux@...> wrote:

           Hey Duff.



Thanks for the advice. Most likely I was dehydrated to start the

race. I have also tried eload pills once upon a time, which helped,

so I need to prepare better for 50K races. Perhaps when I grow old,

I'll learn better? (50 in June).



-- In ous-l@yahoogroups.com, A-DUFF MCLAREN <duffmclaren@...> wrote:

>

> Pierre: Instead of little hills you could refer to them as ''rises".

> And I am not fooled by your reference to "same as the other 4

hills"

>

> And while Pierre is reading this, Hammer puts out some good

product which may help with your cramping.

> They have electrolite pills as well as a powder

product "Sustained Energy" which should be used for exercise lasting

more than 3 hours (I know I need that). You can add that to your

water.Speaking of water, I read that cramping is due to de-hyrdration

but you know you need to drink lots.

> If you don't want to carry all that stuff, you could leave some

at a drop zone.

>

> Good luck.

>

>

>

>













[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hi Pierre,



The Creemore run sounds interesting. Just one thing though. As I won't be

finished running at Sulphur until around 11pm, I won't be in Creemore until

about 1.00am.



You should also know that I am not a fast runner. I wouldn't want to slow you

down. I will likely be quite tired.



I am trying to get hold of John Turner. We had made tentative plans to run

Sulphur this weekend also (daytime). I should find out what he is up to before I

make a commitment .



I also had leg cramps at Ganaraska. First time ever for me. I am quite sure that

I was dehydrated as my urine was yellow. A runner friend who is also a

pharmacist told me tonight that he takes a Magnesium pill twice a day when his

training schedule or races include extra long runs. He is a 2hr 35min

marathoner, so it would seem that his advice should be sound. By the way, I once

asked him for his advice on how to run 50km and longer races. His response..."my

advice to you Neil is to seek counselling"



regards,



Neil



To: ous-l@yahoogroups.com

From: Pierre_Marcoux@...

Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 18:22:04 +0000

Subject: OUS-l: Re: sulphur training runs









































             Hi Neil.







I am also new to ultra running (or so it would seem after my



Garanaska results)...







I am planning to run the new Creemore course Saturday morning circa



08:30 and since Creemore is between Hamilton and Huntsville (if you



squint your eyes) you are welcome to stay the night.  I have a tree



house with lights, electricity and heat (yeah, I know, very



strange).  Creemore is about 1.5 hours from Hamilton.







Note to all:  The Saturday run is open to anyone who would like to



run 25K and critique the new hills I am thinking of adding to the



course.  They are little hills, similar to the current 4 hills.







Cheers!







--- In ous-l@yahoogroups.com, "kiwi.trailrunner" <jumanji96@...>



wrote:



>



> Hi everyone....I would like to join up with the group that is doing



a



> 20km run at Sulphur at 8.30pm this Friday 16th. I will be driving



down



> from Huntsville, going directly to the run.



>



> I don't like the idea of driving back to Huntsville that same



evening



> and would like to do a daytime run there on the Saturday if



possible.



> Is anyone planning a Saturday run?



>



> Cameron has been kind enough to offer a bed at his place for Friday



> night.(I will be pacing him during the last two laps of his 100 at



> Sulphur) However his place is an hour from Sulphur, so I was



wondering



> if anyone who lives closer might have a spare bed available.



>



> I realise that this is very 'last minute' and that it is a holiday



> weekend. Also, being very new to this sport (a two race 'veteran'!),



> not many of you have met me yet. Anyway, I just thought that I would



> ask anyway.



>



> regards,



>



> Neil Jefferson



>

















































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Hi Neil.



I had wondered about driving 1.5 hours that late after a 20K.

Probably the reason you are looking for something closer to the run.

Don't worry about slowing me down, the reason Creemore has so many

hills is to slow everyone down to my speed!



--- In ous-l@yahoogroups.com, Neil Jefferson <jumanji96@...> wrote:

>

>

> Hi Pierre,

>

> The Creemore run sounds interesting. Just one thing though. As I

won't be finished running at Sulphur until around 11pm, I won't be in

Creemore until about 1.00am.

>

> You should also know that I am not a fast runner. I wouldn't want

to slow you down. I will likely be quite tired.

>

> I am trying to get hold of John Turner. We had made tentative plans

to run Sulphur this weekend also (daytime). I should find out what he

is up to before I make a commitment .

>

> I also had leg cramps at Ganaraska. First time ever for me. I am

quite sure that I was dehydrated as my urine was yellow. A runner

friend who is also a pharmacist told me tonight that he takes a

Magnesium pill twice a day when his training schedule or races

include extra long runs. He is a 2hr 35min marathoner, so it would

seem that his advice should be sound. By the way, I once asked him

for his advice on how to run 50km and longer races. His

response..."my advice to you Neil is to seek counselling"

>

Hi Neil,



If your friends advice was to seek counselling if wanting to run 50km

races. What should people do if they want to run 100mi races. Ron G.

calls those marathoners a bunch of sprinters, and at 2:35 that is a

sprint.



Cameron.



----- Original Message -----

From: Neil Jefferson <jumanji96@...>

To: <ous-l@yahoogroups.com>

Sent: Thu, 15 May 2008 02:19:56 +0000

Subject: RE: OUS-l: Re: sulphur training runs



>

> Hi Pierre,

>

> The Creemore run sounds interesting. Just one thing though. As I

won't be finished running at Sulphur until around 11pm, I won't be in

Creemore until about 1.00am.

>

> You should also know that I am not a fast runner. I wouldn't want to

slow you down. I will likely be quite tired.

>

> I am trying to get hold of John Turner. We had made tentative plans

to run Sulphur this weekend also (daytime). I should find out what he

is up to before I make a commitment .

>

> I also had leg cramps at Ganaraska. First time ever for me. I am

quite sure that I was dehydrated as my urine was yellow. A runner

friend who is also a pharmacist told me tonight that he takes a

Magnesium pill twice a day when his training schedule or races include

extra long runs. He is a 2hr 35min marathoner, so it would seem that

his advice should be sound. By the way, I once asked him for his

advice on how to run 50km and longer races. His response..."my advice

to you Neil is to seek counselling"

>

> regards,

>

> Neil

>

> To: ous-l@yahoogroups.com

> From: Pierre_Marcoux@...

> Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 18:22:04 +0000

> Subject: OUS-l: Re: sulphur training runs

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>             Hi Neil.

>

>

>

> I am also new to ultra running (or so it would seem after my

>

> Garanaska results)...

>

>

>

> I am planning to run the new Creemore course Saturday morning circa

>

> 08:30 and since Creemore is between Hamilton and Huntsville (if you

>

> squint your eyes) you are welcome to stay the night.  I have a tree

>

> house with lights, electricity and heat (yeah, I know, very

>

> strange).  Creemore is about 1.5 hours from Hamilton.

>

>

>

> Note to all:  The Saturday run is open to anyone who would like to

>

> run 25K and critique the new hills I am thinking of adding to the

>

> course.  They are little hills, similar to the current 4 hills.

>

>

>

> Cheers!

>

>

>

> --- In ous-l@yahoogroups.com, "kiwi.trailrunner" <jumanji96@...>

>

> wrote:

>

> >

>

> > Hi everyone....I would like to join up with the group that is doing

>

> a

>

> > 20km run at Sulphur at 8.30pm this Friday 16th. I will be driving

>

> down

>

> > from Huntsville, going directly to the run.

>

> >

>

> > I don't like the idea of driving back to Huntsville that same

>

> evening

>

> > and would like to do a daytime run there on the Saturday if

>

> possible.

>

> > Is anyone planning a Saturday run?

>

> >

>

> > Cameron has been kind enough to offer a bed at his place for Friday

>

> > night.(I will be pacing him during the last two laps of his 100 at

>

> > Sulphur) However his place is an hour from Sulphur, so I was

>

> wondering

>

> > if anyone who lives closer might have a spare bed available.

>

> >

>

> > I realise that this is very 'last minute' and that it is a holiday

>

> > weekend. Also, being very new to this sport (a two race 'veteran'!),

>

> > not many of you have met me yet. Anyway, I just thought that I would

>

> > ask anyway.

>

> >

>

> > regards,

>

> >

>

> > Neil Jefferson

>

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> _________________________________________________________________

> If you like crossword puzzles, then you'll love Flexicon, a game

which combines four overlapping crossword puzzles into one!

> http://g.msn.ca/ca55/208

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hey this is the other side of Pierre, the faster one. Neil, Cameron is faster

and closer.

-----Original Message-----

From: "Pierre Marcoux" <Pierre_Marcoux@...>

Sent 5/15/2008 6:25:34 AM

To: ous-l@yahoogroups.com

Subject: OUS-l: Re: sulphur training runsHi Neil.

I had wondered about driving 1.5 hours that late after a 20K.

Probably the reason you are looking for something closer to the run.

Don't worry about slowing me down, the reason Creemore has so many

hills is to slow everyone down to my speed!

--- In ous-l@yahoogroups.com, Neil Jefferson <jumanji96@...> wrote:

>

>

> Hi Pierre,

>

> The Creemore run sounds interesting. Just one thing though. As I

won't be finished running at Sulphur until around 11pm, I won't be in

Creemore until about 1.00am.

>

> You should also know that I am not a fast runner. I wouldn't want

to slow you down. I will likely be quite tired.

>

> I am trying to get hold of John Turner. We had made tentative plans

to run Sulphur this weekend also (daytime). I should find out what he

is up to before I make a commitment .

>

> I also had leg cramps at Ganaraska. First time ever for me. I am

quite sure that I was dehydrated as my urine was yellow. A runner

friend who is also a pharmacist told me tonight that he takes a

Magnesium pill twice a day when his training schedule or races

include extra long runs. He is a 2hr 35min marathoner, so it would

seem that his advice should be sound. By the way, I once asked him

for his advice on how to run 50km and longer races. His

response..."my advice to you Neil is to seek counselling"

>



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hey Neil,

What is your email address anyways. Have fun at Sulphur, I would love to do it

at some point, it sounds very inspiringlcohen@...

-----Original Message-----

From: "lcohen" <lcohen@...>

Sent 5/15/2008 12:11:14 PM

To: ous-l@yahoogroups.com

Subject: Re: OUS-l: Re: sulphur training runsHey this is the other side of

Pierre, the faster one. Neil, Cameron is faster and closer.

-----Original Message-----

From: "Pierre Marcoux" <Pierre_Marcoux@...>

Sent 5/15/2008 6:25:34 AM

To: ous-l@yahoogroups.com

Subject: OUS-l: Re: sulphur training runsHi Neil.

I had wondered about driving 1.5 hours that late after a 20K.

Probably the reason you are looking for something closer to the run.

Don't worry about slowing me down, the reason Creemore has so many

hills is to slow everyone down to my speed!

--- In ous-l@yahoogroups.com, Neil Jefferson <jumanji96@...> wrote:

>

>

> Hi Pierre,

>

> The Creemore run sounds interesting. Just one thing though. As I

won't be finished running at Sulphur until around 11pm, I won't be in

Creemore until about 1.00am.

>

> You should also know that I am not a fast runner. I wouldn't want

to slow you down. I will likely be quite tired.

>

> I am trying to get hold of John Turner. We had made tentative plans

to run Sulphur this weekend also (daytime). I should find out what he

is up to before I make a commitment .

>

> I also had leg cramps at Ganaraska. First time ever for me. I am

quite sure that I was dehydrated as my urine was yellow. A runner

friend who is also a pharmacist told me tonight that he takes a

Magnesium pill twice a day when his training schedule or races

include extra long runs. He is a 2hr 35min marathoner, so it would

seem that his advice should be sound. By the way, I once asked him

for his advice on how to run 50km and longer races. His

response..."my advice to you Neil is to seek counselling"

>

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