Baseball season opens late this year on April 5th. My younger half brother is
getting
married in Minnesota on April 4th, so that weekend won't work for me (that's
also Palm
Sunday weekend)

March 28-29 would work fine for me. If there was any interest in doing it for
earlier,
and/or combining Vegas with a little spring training action, I'd be open for
that as well.
(Allegiant flies to both Phoenix and Vegas)

Here's a link to Cactus League action:
http://www.springtrainingonline.com/features/master_schedule_cactus.htm


--- In northstarleague@yahoogroups.com, PTSPILDE@... wrote:
>
> Hey -? Can we nail down some dates for the 2009 draft?? I am overdue on my
vacation
requests for next year so need to get it in VERY soon.?
>
> $0 for the Yadducks will not buy much in Sin City.
>
> PS
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Terry <targeese@...>
> To: northstarleague@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 5:26 pm
> Subject: [northstarleague] Re: 2008 Northstar League (unofficial) payout
information
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Based on add-on points from 9/29 and 9/30 games (which both count
> towards regular season stats), Jim overtook Ken for the week 26
> jackpot. Jim's payout should be $36 ($56 - $20 owed), Ken's goes down
> to $22. I'll adjust the excel spreadsheets that is in the Files section.
>
> (Even based upon the inclusion of game 162, Tigers vs. White Sox on
> Monday 9/29, Jim overtook Ken. A check of the play-in game between the
> Twins and the White Sox shows that those stats count towards regular
> season stats, i.e. Thome's 34th homer of the year)
>
> --- In northstarleague@yahoogroups.com, "Terry" <targeese@> wrote:
> >
> > Here is unofficial payout information for the 2008 season. Details are
> > in an Excel file found under the Files section on the NSL Yahoo group
> > (link on the Northstarleague.com site, and probably in this message as
> > well).
> >
> > Seabass $212
> > MR Express $100
> > Mandalorians $26 (won $46, owes Terry $20 for league fees)
> > Meatballs $32
> > Hiwaymen $32
> > Targeese $80
> > Chupacabras $40
> > Eager Beavers $6
> > Mudhatchets $20
> > Nerfherders $16
> > Grizzlies $36
> > Yadducks $0 - Don't feel too bad for Spilde, Paul and partner Brad Rud
> > have kicking ass and taking names in the football league for the last
> > several years.
> >
> > Let me know if there are any discrepancies, gripes, beefs, etc. Have a
> > Happy (and safe) Thanksgiving!
> >
>

Based on add-on points from 9/29 and 9/30 games (which both count
towards regular season stats), Jim overtook Ken for the week 26
jackpot. Jim's payout should be $36 ($56 - $20 owed), Ken's goes down
to $22. I'll adjust the excel spreadsheets that is in the Files section.

(Even based upon the inclusion of game 162, Tigers vs. White Sox on
Monday 9/29, Jim overtook Ken. A check of the play-in game between the
Twins and the White Sox shows that those stats count towards regular
season stats, i.e. Thome's 34th homer of the year)



--- In northstarleague@yahoogroups.com, "Terry" <targeese@...> wrote:
>
> Here is unofficial payout information for the 2008 season. Details are
> in an Excel file found under the Files section on the NSL Yahoo group
> (link on the Northstarleague.com site, and probably in this message as
> well).
>
> Seabass $212
> MR Express $100
> Mandalorians $26 (won $46, owes Terry $20 for league fees)
> Meatballs $32
> Hiwaymen $32
> Targeese $80
> Chupacabras $40
> Eager Beavers $6
> Mudhatchets $20
> Nerfherders $16
> Grizzlies $36
> Yadducks $0 - Don't feel too bad for Spilde, Paul and partner Brad Rud
> have kicking ass and taking names in the football league for the last
> several years.
>
> Let me know if there are any discrepancies, gripes, beefs, etc. Have a
> Happy (and safe) Thanksgiving!
>

Here is unofficial payout information for the 2008 season. Details are
in an Excel file found under the Files section on the NSL Yahoo group
(link on the Northstarleague.com site, and probably in this message as
well).

Seabass $212
MR Express $100
Mandalorians $26 (won $46, owes Terry $20 for league fees)
Meatballs $32
Hiwaymen $32
Targeese $80
Chupacabras $40
Eager Beavers $6
Mudhatchets $20
Nerfherders $16
Grizzlies $36
Yadducks $0 - Don't feel too bad for Spilde, Paul and partner Brad Rud
have kicking ass and taking names in the football league for the last
several years.

Let me know if there are any discrepancies, gripes, beefs, etc. Have a
Happy (and safe) Thanksgiving!

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Subject: Fw: FW: I'm laffin here
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Subject: FW: I'm laffin here
Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 10:28:56 -0700
From: "Jolene Sweet" <Jolene.Sweet@...>
To: "Lauren Hall" <lauren.hall@...>,
"Tina Beebe" <Tina.Beebe@...>,
"Kim Marman" <Kim.Marman@...>,
<kidzcastle58621@...>,
"Charity Knopp" <jcknopp@...>,
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Subject: FW: [ My Daddy Is A Dancer]
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Subject: Fw: [ My Daddy Is A Dancer]
To: Wifey <bhumphrey@...>, Tim & Joan <tim4skyking@...>, Sue Sos <suesos@...>, Nancy Hronesh <nhronesh@...>, Marsha <sewbizmiz@...>, Kelly <kellyreade@...>, Bill & Rita <ritanbill@...>, Bill & Patty <billnpatty@...>

 

 

 >> Subject: My Daddy Is A Dancer
>>
>>
>>
>>  One day the teacher asked the children what their
>>
>> fathers did for a living.

>>
>>
>>
>> All the typical answers came up: Fireman, Salesman,
>>
>> Doctor, Lawyer, and so forth.
>>
>>
>>
>> However, little Justin was being uncharacteristically

>>
>> quiet, so when the teacher prodded him about his
>>
>> father, he replied, "My father's an exotic dancer in a
>>
>> gay cabaret and takes off all his clothes in front of

>>
>> other men and they put money in his underwear.
>>
>> Sometimes, if the offer is really good, he will go
>>
>> home with some guy and stay with him all night for

>>
>> money."
>>
>>
>>
>> The teacher, obviously shaken by this statement,
>>
>> hurriedly set the other children to work on some math
>>

>> problems and then took little Justin aside to ask him,
>>
>> "Is that really true about your father?"
>>
>>
>>
>> "No," the boy said, "He works for the Democratic

>>
>> National Committee and is helping to get Hillary
>>
>> Clinton elected as our next President, but I was too
>>
>> embarrassed to say that in front of the other kids."

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Subject: FW: Motivational posters
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 21:13:48 -0700

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From: irvinesteph@...
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Subject: FW: Motivational posters
Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 19:39:56 +0000

Steph

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Subject: FW: Motivational posters
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Subject: FW: Motivational posters
Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 08:19:02 -0600

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Subject: FW: Motivational posters
Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 08:11:33 -0600
From: elizabeth.schneider2@...
To: elizabeth_boedecker@...

 

 

Beth Schneider

994-7138

 

From: Mineau, Paul
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From: Denise Burrows [mailto:bettydburr@...]
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Subject: FW: Where did the white man go wrong?
Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 07:57:00 -0700

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Subject: Where did the white man go wrong?
Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 23:43:05 +0000

 

 

 

 

 

WHERE DID THE WHITE MAN GO WRONG?

Indian Chief, "Two Eagles," was asked by a white government official, "You have observed the white man for 90 years.  You've seen his wars and his technological advances.  You've seen his progress, and the damage he's done."

 

The Chief nodded in agreement.

 

The official continued, "Considering all these events, in your opinion, where did the white man go wrong?"

The Chief stared at the government official for over a minute and then calmly replied. "When white man find land, Indians running it. No taxes, No debt, Plenty buffalo, Plenty beaver, Clean Water; Women did all the work, Medicine man free. Indian man spend all day hunting and fishing; All night having sex."

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From: targeese@...
Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 03:39:38 +0000
Subject: [northstarleague] Re: Keeper Proposal

For the record, I am likely the original backer of the keeper rules.
It didn't gain any support until John posted a ninth-place finish in
2002, gaining a pair of top 15 picks in the last open (2003) draft,
and doing a 180 on keepers, when it sailed through. If you are to
accuse me of odd timing, you must also John of odd timing.

I still like the keeper rules, and have since become involved in
other keeper leagues. However, I am viewing the competitive balance
of the league (Seabass finishes 2,1,1,5,1; Targeese finishes
1,2,2,1,8) and thinking things may need to be tweaked a little.

Short story long here, I think it's time for a five-year checkup. I
made the proposals not necessarily because I back them and want to
get rid of keepers, I want to toss out some fresh ideas for how to
make things better. Obviously this system is working for John (3
titles) and I (2 titles), so while on the surface you may find it odd
timing, the track record points to the opposite.

We can go back to the old, old days of the league, when the Targeese
won 5 years in a row, and narrowly avoided a 6th. We can stick with
the new, new days of the league, when the Seabass and Targeese have
played catch with the trophy. John and I have the league in a
beatdown mode right now.

I do share some of Ken's thinking in that the first round of the
draft is looking lackluster. I applaud his independent thinking, when
he would willingly give up Pujols, Soriano, and Santana to get back
to a full draft. I'll likely have a top 5 pick, and have 8 picks in
the first 5 rounds, so I'll be able to load up. I'm not sure why,
combined with the fact that I have 6 top prospects locked up for a
total of $23, I would want to get rid of the keepers when the system
has been working great for me, and will continue to work great for
me.

I believed when the keeper system with unlimited transactions was
introduced that it would allow teams a better chance to control their
destinies and be competitive (free market capitalism). Two truly
elite teams have emerged, and I'm not sure things are going to change
unless we tweak the system again.

I think John's proposal of limiting transactions to a certain number
would be a good step towards this goal. It's up to all of us to
decide if we keep the keepers, reduce the keepers to 1 or 2 a year,
phase them out, or drop them completely.

--- In northstarleague@yahoogroups.com, Rob Hall <robhall23@...>
wrote:
>
>
> I agree with you Mike. How is that fair for the rest of us who got
traded guys like David Wright and others for Hunter Pence (who was
injured at the time) and better draft picks in the 2008 draft? I
think we need to phase it out as well. I'm curious why it's
(dropping keepers) brought up at all ... at this time? I'm giving
you shit Terry, but you gotta admit the timing of your "dropping
keepers" proposal is peculiar. Tell me I'm wrong. Ha.
>
> 2002 - Terry - 9,005 pts. - 2nd Place (Keepers are fine)
> 2003 - Terry - 11,030 pts. - 1st Place (Keepers are fine)
> 2004 - Terry - 10,656 pts. - 2nd Place (Keepers are fine)
> 2005 - Terry - 10,794 pts. - 2nd Place (Keepers are fine)
> 2006 - Terry - 10,361 pts. - 1st Place (Keepers are fine)
> 2007 - Terry - 8,922 pts. - 8th Place (Let's get rid of keepers)
>
> hmmmm.
>
> Rob.
>
>
> To: northstarleague@...: hiwaymen@...: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 06:19:47 -
0800Subject: [northstarleague] Keeper Proposal
>
>
>
>
>
>
> I would propose we eliminate the naming of keepers starting this
years.
>
> In other words, this year, there will be 72 kept players, next year
36 (as the contracts expire and no more players are signed) and the
following year we would be keeper free, just like the good old days.
>
> The maintains the integrity of past trades and strategies made
under the existing rules, but also corrects a less-than-stellar
keeper experiment over the next year or two.
>
> Any thoughts?
>
> MW
> ----- Original Message ----From: Ken <kendo1372@...>To:
northstarleague@...: Sunday, February 3, 2008 11:18:52 PMSubject:
[northstarleague] Re: Keeper review
>
> I absolutely forgot about draft pick trades. In this case, I
wouldadvocate phasing out keepers. I made a draft pick trade
myselfinvolving getting a keeper for a high draft pick, and I
wouldn't wantto lose that pick, unless the trades were nullified.
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For the record, I am likely the original backer of the keeper rules.
It didn't gain any support until John posted a ninth-place finish in
2002, gaining a pair of top 15 picks in the last open (2003) draft,
and doing a 180 on keepers, when it sailed through. If you are to
accuse me of odd timing, you must also John of odd timing.

I still like the keeper rules, and have since become involved in
other keeper leagues. However, I am viewing the competitive balance
of the league (Seabass finishes 2,1,1,5,1; Targeese finishes
1,2,2,1,8) and thinking things may need to be tweaked a little.

Short story long here, I think it's time for a five-year checkup. I
made the proposals not necessarily because I back them and want to
get rid of keepers, I want to toss out some fresh ideas for how to
make things better. Obviously this system is working for John (3
titles) and I (2 titles), so while on the surface you may find it odd
timing, the track record points to the opposite.

We can go back to the old, old days of the league, when the Targeese
won 5 years in a row, and narrowly avoided a 6th. We can stick with
the new, new days of the league, when the Seabass and Targeese have
played catch with the trophy. John and I have the league in a
beatdown mode right now.

I do share some of Ken's thinking in that the first round of the
draft is looking lackluster. I applaud his independent thinking, when
he would willingly give up Pujols, Soriano, and Santana to get back
to a full draft. I'll likely have a top 5 pick, and have 8 picks in
the first 5 rounds, so I'll be able to load up. I'm not sure why,
combined with the fact that I have 6 top prospects locked up for a
total of $23, I would want to get rid of the keepers when the system
has been working great for me, and will continue to work great for
me.

I believed when the keeper system with unlimited transactions was
introduced that it would allow teams a better chance to control their
destinies and be competitive (free market capitalism). Two truly
elite teams have emerged, and I'm not sure things are going to change
unless we tweak the system again.

I think John's proposal of limiting transactions to a certain number
would be a good step towards this goal. It's up to all of us to
decide if we keep the keepers, reduce the keepers to 1 or 2 a year,
phase them out, or drop them completely.





--- In northstarleague@yahoogroups.com, Rob Hall <robhall23@...>
wrote:
>
>
> I agree with you Mike.  How is that fair for the rest of us who got
traded guys like David Wright and others for Hunter Pence (who was
injured at the time) and better draft picks in the 2008 draft?   I
think we need to phase it out as well.  I'm curious why it's
(dropping keepers) brought up at all ...  at this time?   I'm giving
you shit Terry, but you gotta admit the timing of your "dropping
keepers" proposal is peculiar.  Tell me I'm wrong.  Ha.
>
> 2002 - Terry - 9,005 pts. - 2nd Place (Keepers are fine)
> 2003 - Terry - 11,030 pts. - 1st Place (Keepers are fine)
> 2004 - Terry - 10,656 pts. - 2nd Place (Keepers are fine)
> 2005 - Terry - 10,794 pts. - 2nd Place (Keepers are fine)
> 2006 - Terry - 10,361 pts. - 1st Place (Keepers are fine)
> 2007 - Terry -   8,922 pts. - 8th Place (Let's get rid of keepers)
>
> hmmmm.
>
> Rob.
>
>
> To: northstarleague@...: hiwaymen@...: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 06:19:47 -
0800Subject: [northstarleague] Keeper Proposal
>
>
>
>
>
>
> I would propose we eliminate the naming of keepers starting this
years.
>
> In other words, this year, there will be 72 kept players, next year
36 (as the contracts expire and no more players are signed) and the
following year we would be keeper free, just like the good old days.
>
> The maintains the integrity of past trades and strategies made
under the existing rules, but also corrects a less-than-stellar
keeper experiment over the next year or two.
>
> Any thoughts?
>
> MW
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[northstarleague] Re: Keeper review
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> I absolutely forgot about draft pick trades. In this case, I
wouldadvocate phasing out keepers. I made a draft pick trade
myselfinvolving getting a keeper for a high draft pick, and I
wouldn't wantto lose that pick, unless the trades were nullified.
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From: hiwaymen@...
Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 06:19:47 -0800
Subject: [northstarleague] Keeper Proposal

I would propose we eliminate the naming of keepers starting this years.

 

In other words, this year, there will be 72 kept players, next year 36 (as the contracts expire and no more players are signed) and the following year we would be keeper free, just like the good old days.

 

The maintains the integrity of past trades and strategies made under the existing rules, but also corrects a less-than-stellar keeper experiment over the next year or two.

 

Any thoughts?

 

MW

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Subject: [northstarleague] Re: Keeper review

I absolutely forgot about draft pick trades. In this case, I would
advocate phasing out keepers. I made a draft pick trade myself
involving getting a keeper for a high draft pick, and I wouldn't want
to lose that pick, unless the trades were nullified.

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I absolutely forgot about draft pick trades.  In this case, I would
advocate phasing out keepers.  I made a draft pick trade myself
involving getting a keeper for a high draft pick, and I wouldn't want
to lose that pick, unless the trades were nullified.

The dialogue has been great, and appreciated, in the first twelve
hours. I have uploaded a description of the draft pick trades in
the "Files" section of the Yahoo group
(http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/northstarleague/files). I think
if we did adopt Proposal 2 (blow up the keeper system immediately),
that nullifying all draft pick trades would be necessary. This is a
proposal that can be discussed as well, but I propose it be dependent
on the passing of proposal 2, making it perhaps a Corollary 2.

If enough teams don't like the keeper process, the phase-out may the
best way to go. Again, I encourage extensive debate, and once we have
enough participation, a vote can be called.

Hello,

This email message is a notification to let you know that
a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the northstarleague
group.

   File        : /2007drafttrades 1 .xls
   Uploaded by : targeese <targeese@...>
   Description : Draft Pick trade descriptions

You can access this file at the URL:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/northstarleague/files/2007drafttrades%201%20.xls

To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit:
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Regards,

targeese <targeese@...>

I like keepers but my opinion is usually on the low end for being taken
seriously cause everyone just thinks I am Terry's lacky.  The only thing I ask
is that if we scrap keepers then all draft picks are returned to thier owners. I
really don't think it would be fair that I gave up my number one pick for a
keeper that I won't get. If the draft order stays as is and we scrap keepers
then so be it, I will adapt. The reason I liked keepers is that it gave us more
time to hang out and it made the trading deadline a day of great anticipation. I
remember Karl once saying that draft weekend was more about hanging out then
"winning". Again it doesn't matter to me other than it means I will be on the
phone longer since I can't attend the draft this year. Just my thoughts.

Jim

---- Mike and Kari Wayman <hiwaymen@...> wrote:
> It would not be fair to immediately eliminate keepers considering some of us
made future draft pick trades under the assumption we would have our keepers to
build our team around.  If we want to phase them out in the future, that is on
the table.
>
> One thing done in football leagues to encourage keeping younger players is to
forfiet the pick corresponding to the round the kept players was drafted in.  If
you want to keep your first three round studs, go ahead, but then you lose you
first three round picks next year.  Every year the draft is 25 rounds, but your
kept players are placed on your roster pre-draft in the round they were drafted
in.
>
> Just my thoughts.
>
> Mike
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Terry <targeese@...>
> To: northstarleague@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, February 3, 2008 10:30:53 AM
> Subject: [northstarleague] Keeper review
>
> I propose we review the keeper legislation again this year, letting
> all voices be heard. Some of this may be a rehash of previous
> discussions, but I think a 5-year review is warranted.
>
> One of the original dissenters was Rob Hall, who advocated that all
> players be available every year. He became "victim" of the process
> one year when he failed to declare them, and was assigned a trio of
> keepers by the Triumvirate. There have been various strategies
> involved, whether to keep superstars or prospects, etc.
>
> After posting the dollar values for players, it's easy to see that
> even the first round will be more lackluster again. Indeed, this
> process has led, in part, to the picking of Josh Willingham as a
> first rounder by yours truly (hey, I won that year, so shush!)
>
> Also, the keeper years have been dominated by the Seabass and
> Targeese, although both have had a lower finish during that time as
> well.
>
> Therefore, I make two proposals
>
> 1) Keepers be phased out starting this year. Keepers who have already
> been signed will remain with their teams through the end of their
> contracts.
>
> or
>
> 2) The keeper process be blown up immediately, and all players are
> made immediately available.
>
> Continuing as is would be the default, so there is no need for a
> proposal to continue as is.
>
> These proposals are made to stimulate (hopefully not heated)
> discussion on the keeper rules. I believe proposal 1 would be most
> fair if we decide to abandon the keeper rules. However, if there is
> widespread support for proposal 2, is there a reason we can't abandon
> it as is?
>
> You're free to post on the NSL Yahoo Group (there is a link on the
> top of Northstarleague. com -
> http://sports. groups.yahoo. com/group/ northstarleague/) until the
> Yahoo Fantasy Baseball goes live. Last year, this occurred on
> February 16. I will do my best to ensure that our league number is on
> the Eastern Seaboard (last year, we were 00936, which is actually San
> Juan, PR).
>
> Enjoy your scouting, gentlemen! We'll see you in 8 weeks!
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I am opposed to throwing all keepers in this year, as
I feel that it would not be fair to scrap the keeper
system this year, as some people have tried to build
their core team around them.  I for one like the
strategy of the keeper system, you can try to gamble
on young guys, flash in the pans, or producing vets.
You can boom or bust based on your strategy and luck.
I have had several busts and injuries hurt my team in
my short tenure with the league.
I can see problems with the football keeper format,
because there are many more guys picked up in baseball
during the season that aren't incorporated in the
draft unless you consider them your last round pick.
Like I am gambling on Longoria to win a starting gig
with the Rays.
I wouldn't necessarily be opposed to a phase out or
maybe cut down on the number of keepers.  The problem
we are running into is that people are stacking up on
positions.  We could limit someone to only keeping 1
player per position, so for instance it would prevent
teams from having 2 1b keepers already and causing
shortages per position.
It seems to me that scouting may be even more
essential this year to have a decent draft.
Just my two Lincolns.

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I just scratched off all of the keepers from the list, and was very
disappointed with the "leftovers."  Some thoughts to consider:

~From SN's Top 300 list:
      -17 of the top 25 are keepers
      -27 of the top 50 are keepers
      -61 of the top 300 are keepers

~If the first round went according to the top 300, Dan Haren would be
the 12th pick.  Not likely in our league, but excepting pitchers, that
would make Brian Roberts the 12th pick. In short: Blah.

~There are 12 keeper first baseman.  Typically are stacked position,
everyone has grabbed the best, with the ones left over coming off
contracts.  Top 5 available: Berkman, Guillen, Lee, Konerko, and
Helton.  Again: Blah.

~Several owners have been severely hurt by overpaying for crappy
keepers.  While it is a risk/reward system, and $1 players are a great
boon to a team (Justin Verlander, Ryan Braun, Tim Lincecum, Fausto
Carmona are all signed for a buck), other players tanked or are hurt,
but the owners must eat the salary.  Keeper salary and actual 2008
salary: Chris Ray $10/$1 (out for the season), Jorge Cantu $18/$1,
Dontrelle Willis $23/$10, Dan Uggla $23/$14, and Octavio Dotel $14/$6.
  Quite a price to pay for mediocrity.

~The draft is shorter, but it seems we have shortened it by the best
part: the exciting first round when all players are fair game, when
you can get Chase Utley with the 12th pick.  I love the draft.  I
wouldn't mind drafting 50 rounds.  The shorter draft has been a
letdown for me.

If you're not sure by now which way I want to go with this, I'll tell
you:  No more keepers.  As to when, I first thought we should phase it
out, as strategy and long term planning are strong factors, but if it
comes down to my vote, I say scrap it now.  That's coming from someone
who has 2 of the top 10 and 3 of the top 25 (Pujols, Santana, Soriano.)

Keepers were fun, and brought some continuity, but I say we do to it
what they should've done to the DH "experiment": end it now before it
becomes and institution.  Let's hearken back to the old days,
wondering who'll pick who with their first pick, slugging out 25
rounds of bliss, and not sticking Robby with triumverate picks on
September 5th.

Everyone should respond, state your case, and vote well before the
draft weekend, so we can scout with the result in mind.

In respect to the brotherhood of the NSL,

      Ken Boulett, Owner/Manager, Meatballs Baseball Club

I propose we review the keeper legislation again this year, letting
all voices be heard. Some of this may be a rehash of previous
discussions, but I think a 5-year review is warranted.

One of the original dissenters was Rob Hall, who advocated that all
players be available every year. He became "victim" of the process
one year when he failed to declare them, and was assigned a trio of
keepers by the Triumvirate. There have been various strategies
involved, whether to keep superstars or prospects, etc.

After posting the dollar values for players, it's easy to see that
even the first round will be more lackluster again. Indeed, this
process has led, in part, to the picking of Josh Willingham as a
first rounder by yours truly (hey, I won that year, so shush!)

Also, the keeper years have been dominated by the Seabass and
Targeese, although both have had a lower finish during that time as
well.

Therefore, I make two proposals

1) Keepers be phased out starting this year. Keepers who have already
been signed will remain with their teams through the end of their
contracts.

or

2) The keeper process be blown up immediately, and all players are
made immediately available.

Continuing as is would be the default, so there is no need for a
proposal to continue as is.

These proposals are made to stimulate (hopefully not heated)
discussion on the keeper rules. I believe proposal 1 would be most
fair if we decide to abandon the keeper rules. However, if there is
widespread support for proposal 2, is there a reason we can't abandon
it as is?

You're free to post on the NSL Yahoo Group (there is a link on the
top of Northstarleague.com -
http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/northstarleague/) until the
Yahoo Fantasy Baseball goes live. Last year, this occurred on
February 16. I will do my best to ensure that our league number is on
the Eastern Seaboard (last year, we were 00936, which is actually San
Juan, PR).

Enjoy your scouting, gentlemen! We'll see you in 8 weeks!