Thank you, all, for supporting this group. I created it to give the

independant groups a place to talk/vent/teach...I believe that that

time is now past as so many SPECIFIC sites exist, this one no longer

has to. SO I am closing it...I have done what I set out to do...If any

of you would like to take the reigns, so be it...



I have achieved what I wanted...open style discussion...



Let me know, otherwise I will close by the end of the week.



Truly thanks to all, but it appears my job is done.



Keep swinging!



Dirk

I'll take it



I'm both a yahoo and martial art fanatic



Rick







----- Original Message ----

From: Dirk E. Folmer <defolmer@...>

To: non-traditional_stickfighting@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 5:04:36 PM

Subject: [non-traditional_stickfighting] Members



Thank you, all, for supporting this group. I created it to give the

independant groups a place to talk/vent/teach...I believe that that

time is now past as so many SPECIFIC sites exist, this one no longer

has to. SO I am closing it...I have done what I set out to do...If any

of you would like to take the reigns, so be it...



I have achieved what I wanted...open style discussion...



Let me know, otherwise I will close by the end of the week.



Truly thanks to all, but it appears my job is done.



Keep swinging!



Dirk





------------------------------------



Yahoo! Groups Links

By the way thank you for starting such a great group in the first place



Rick







----- Original Message ----

From: Sensei J. Richard Kirkham B.Sc <tutor2000@...>

To: non-traditional_stickfighting@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 5:09:10 PM

Subject: Re: [non-traditional_stickfighting] Members



I'll take it



I'm both a yahoo and martial art fanatic



Rick







----- Original Message ----

From: Dirk E. Folmer <defolmer@...>

To: non-traditional_stickfighting@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 5:04:36 PM

Subject: [non-traditional_stickfighting] Members



Thank you, all, for supporting this group. I created it to give the

independant groups a place to talk/vent/teach...I believe that that

time is now past as so many SPECIFIC sites exist, this one no longer

has to. SO I am closing it...I have done what I set out to do...If any

of you would like to take the reigns, so be it...



I have achieved what I wanted...open style discussion...



Let me know, otherwise I will close by the end of the week.



Truly thanks to all, but it appears my job is done.



Keep swinging!



Dirk





------------------------------------



Yahoo! Groups Links









------------------------------------



Yahoo! Groups Links

Given the last post was in July and nothing since then, perhaps that is the

right decision I

have started and ended groups when they pass their use by date. It was a good

idea,

achieved what you wanted it to and now time to move on. Of coruse if anyone

wants to

take you up on your offer and revitalise it, go for it. If I can be helpful of

course I will be.

Cheers Perry





--- In non-traditional_stickfighting@yahoogroups.com, "Dirk E. Folmer"

<defolmer@...>

wrote:

>

> Thank you, all, for supporting this group. I created it to give the

> independant groups a place to talk/vent/teach...I believe that that

> time is now past as so many SPECIFIC sites exist, this one no longer

> has to. SO I am closing it...I have done what I set out to do...If any

> of you would like to take the reigns, so be it...

>

> I have achieved what I wanted...open style discussion...

>

> Let me know, otherwise I will close by the end of the week.

>

> Truly thanks to all, but it appears my job is done.

>

> Keep swinging!

>

> Dirk

>

I think you are right Dirk.

there are so few people with the balls to actually try

this thing for real that it is better to have one big

group instead of a bunch of little ones.



--- "G. Byrne" <kon861@...> wrote:



> Dirk.

>  

> I'll be sorry to see this list go, but you may be

> right. I havn't had much time to read any of this in

> the last year (Been working 70-90 hr work weeks) let

> alone do any stick work :-(

> It's taken a while to catch up.

>  

> Perry.

>  

> You mentioned that you were putting something

> together with family fighting techniques... If

> you are still interested I have one for using a

> belt. Let me know if you are still interested.

>  

> Thanks

>  

> Gary

>

> --- On Wed, 1/28/09, Perry Gamsby

> <perrygamsby999@...> wrote:

>

> From: Perry Gamsby <perrygamsby999@...>

> Subject: [non-traditional_stickfighting] Re: Members

> To: non-traditional_stickfighting@yahoogroups.com

> Date: Wednesday, January 28, 2009, 4:04 AM

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Given the last post was in July and nothing since

> then, perhaps that is the right decision I

> have started and ended groups when they pass their

> use by date. It was a good idea,

> achieved what you wanted it to and now time to move

> on. Of coruse if anyone wants to

> take you up on your offer and revitalise it, go for

> it. If I can be helpful of course I will be.

> Cheers Perry

>

> --- In non-traditional_ stickfighting@ yahoogroups.

> com, "Dirk E. Folmer" <defolmer@.. .>

> wrote:

> >

> > Thank you, all, for supporting this group. I

> created it to give the

> > independant groups a place to talk/vent/teach. ..I

> believe that that

> > time is now past as so many SPECIFIC sites exist,

> this one no longer

> > has to. SO I am closing it...I have done what I

> set out to do...If any

> > of you would like to take the reigns, so be it...

> >

> > I have achieved what I wanted...open style

> discussion.. .

> >

> > Let me know, otherwise I will close by the end of

> the week.

> >

> > Truly thanks to all, but it appears my job is

> done.

> >

> > Keep swinging!

> >

> > Dirk

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>



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.             John Patrick Sullivan. The Fifth





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Gary, I nearly fought a man in Manila who whipped off his belt... a Lubidero or

Lubid (Belt) fighter. I thought he was going for a knife and as I was too far

away to stop that mid draw I stayed out of range. Then a small Mazda pulled up

with five or six cops armed with M16s who took care of the matter!  The Lubidero

had just snatched a woman's purse while our jeepney was stopped in traffic. I

bailed out to help but some kid passing by did a flying drop kick that took the

thief of the BMX bike he was rapidly peddling away!  It was quite a scene!  By

all means send me info on the belt technique. Cheers Perry





--- On Wed, 1/28/09, G. Byrne <kon861@...> wrote:



> From: G. Byrne <kon861@...>

> Subject: Re: [non-traditional_stickfighting] Re: Members

> To: non-traditional_stickfighting@yahoogroups.com

> Date: Wednesday, January 28, 2009, 9:10 AM

> Dirk.

>  

> I'll be sorry to see this list go, but you may be

> right. I havn't had much time to read any of this in the

> last year (Been working 70-90 hr work weeks) let alone do

> any stick work :-(

> It's taken a while to catch up.

>  

> Perry.

>  

> You mentioned that you were putting something together with

> family fighting techniques... If you are still interested I

> have one for using a belt. Let me know if you are still

> interested.

>  

> Thanks

>  

> Gary

>

> --- On Wed, 1/28/09, Perry Gamsby

> <perrygamsby999@...> wrote:

>

> From: Perry Gamsby <perrygamsby999@...>

> Subject: [non-traditional_stickfighting] Re: Members

> To: non-traditional_stickfighting@yahoogroups.com

> Date: Wednesday, January 28, 2009, 4:04 AM

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Given the last post was in July and nothing since then,

> perhaps that is the right decision I

> have started and ended groups when they pass their use by

> date. It was a good idea,

> achieved what you wanted it to and now time to move on. Of

> coruse if anyone wants to

> take you up on your offer and revitalise it, go for it. If

> I can be helpful of course I will be.

> Cheers Perry

>

> --- In non-traditional_ stickfighting@ yahoogroups. com,

> "Dirk E. Folmer" <defolmer@.. .>

> wrote:

> >

> > Thank you, all, for supporting this group. I created

> it to give the

> > independant groups a place to talk/vent/teach. ..I

> believe that that

> > time is now past as so many SPECIFIC sites exist, this

> one no longer

> > has to. SO I am closing it...I have done what I set

> out to do...If any

> > of you would like to take the reigns, so be it...

> >

> > I have achieved what I wanted...open style

> discussion.. .

> >

> > Let me know, otherwise I will close by the end of the

> week.

> >

> > Truly thanks to all, but it appears my job is done.

> >

> > Keep swinging!

> >

> > Dirk

> >

I'm always interested in weapons we carry everyday. Any chance you can

post it to the group?



Rick

Weapons We Carry Everyday

http://kirkhamsebooks.com/MartialArts/WeaponsWeCarry_in.htm?ntsgroup



--- In non-traditional_stickfighting@yahoogroups.com, perry gamsby

<perrygamsby999@...> wrote:

>

> Gary, I nearly fought a man in Manila who whipped off his belt... a

Lubidero or Lubid (Belt) fighter. I thought he was going for a knife

and as I was too far away to stop that mid draw I stayed out of range.

Then a small Mazda pulled up with five or six cops armed with M16s who

took care of the matter!  The Lubidero had just snatched a woman's

purse while our jeepney was stopped in traffic. I bailed out to help

but some kid passing by did a flying drop kick that took the thief of

the BMX bike he was rapidly peddling away!  It was quite a scene!  By

all means send me info on the belt technique. Cheers Perry

>

>

> --- On Wed, 1/28/09, G. Byrne <kon861@...> wrote:

>

> > From: G. Byrne <kon861@...>

> > Subject: Re: [non-traditional_stickfighting] Re: Members

> > To: non-traditional_stickfighting@yahoogroups.com

> > Date: Wednesday, January 28, 2009, 9:10 AM

> > Dirk.

> >  

> > I'll be sorry to see this list go, but you may be

> > right. I havn't had much time to read any of this in the

> > last year (Been working 70-90 hr work weeks) let alone do

> > any stick work :-(

> > It's taken a while to catch up.

> >  

> > Perry.

> >  

> > You mentioned that you were putting something together with

> > family fighting techniques... If you are still interested I

> > have one for using a belt. Let me know if you are still

> > interested.

> >  

> > Thanks

> >  

> > Gary

> >

> > --- On Wed, 1/28/09, Perry Gamsby

> > <perrygamsby999@...> wrote:

> >

> > From: Perry Gamsby <perrygamsby999@...>

> > Subject: [non-traditional_stickfighting] Re: Members

> > To: non-traditional_stickfighting@yahoogroups.com

> > Date: Wednesday, January 28, 2009, 4:04 AM

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Given the last post was in July and nothing since then,

> > perhaps that is the right decision I

> > have started and ended groups when they pass their use by

> > date. It was a good idea,

> > achieved what you wanted it to and now time to move on. Of

> > coruse if anyone wants to

> > take you up on your offer and revitalise it, go for it. If

> > I can be helpful of course I will be.

> > Cheers Perry

> >

> > --- In non-traditional_ stickfighting@ yahoogroups. com,

> > "Dirk E. Folmer" <defolmer@ .>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Thank you, all, for supporting this group. I created

> > it to give the

> > > independant groups a place to talk/vent/teach. ..I

> > believe that that

> > > time is now past as so many SPECIFIC sites exist, this

> > one no longer

> > > has to. SO I am closing it...I have done what I set

> > out to do...If any

> > > of you would like to take the reigns, so be it...

> > >

> > > I have achieved what I wanted...open style

> > discussion.. .

> > >

> > > Let me know, otherwise I will close by the end of the

> > week.

> > >

> > > Truly thanks to all, but it appears my job is done.

> > >

> > > Keep swinging!

> > >

> > > Dirk

> > >

>

Gary, I have a new blog but not martial arts related.

www.tunglewood.blogspot.com



My Dad taught me the belt trick too. He used an Army 38 Pattern Web Belt which

has brass buckles. I recall one night during my first year in the Army (1978)

when five or six came for me with the pillow slips filled with boots and the

soap in the socks. I turned over my bed and got behind it in the corner of the

barrack room and lashed out with the web belt wrapped around my fist. Scored a

couple of hits in the dark and they retired. The next morning on parade I could

identify two of my assailants by the nasty cuts to their cheeks and foreheads

from the buckles. Mind you, nobody came after me ever again at that unit. It was

the Army Apprentice School and the culture was the senior year bullied the

junior year. Very brutal and we had fatalities over the years but only a suicide

when I was there. I was a 'mouthy sprog' for standing up to them and so ear

marked for treatment.  Cheers Perry





--- On Fri, 2/6/09, G. Byrne <kon861@...> wrote:



> From: G. Byrne <kon861@...>

> Subject: Re: [non-traditional_stickfighting] Re: Members

> To: non-traditional_stickfighting@yahoogroups.com

> Date: Friday, February 6, 2009, 8:50 AM

> Wow Perry that sounds like quite an adventure (And a good

> reason to move to Oz :)

>  

> The belt thing was very informal... I was having some

> trouble with kids at school as I recall.

> Basically you wrap the belt around your palm two or three

> times and pull it tight leaving about a foot of the buckle

> end of the belt hanging. Close fingers and thumb around the

> belt in your palm and use what is basically a downward

> figure 8. The target is any hard spot on the head. My dad

> said that his dad taught him this when he was a kid for the

> same reason and that when he used this on bullies they never

> bothered him again :-)

>  

> Did you ever put up a new blog btw?

>  

> Gary

>

> --- On Thu, 1/29/09, perry gamsby

> <perrygamsby999@...> wrote:

>

> From: perry gamsby <perrygamsby999@...>

> Subject: Re: [non-traditional_stickfighting] Re: Members

> To: non-traditional_stickfighting@yahoogroups.com

> Date: Thursday, January 29, 2009, 3:04 AM

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Gary, I nearly fought a man in Manila who whipped off his

> belt... a Lubidero or Lubid (Belt) fighter. I thought he was

> going for a knife and as I was too far away to stop that mid

> draw I stayed out of range. Then a small Mazda pulled up

> with five or six cops armed with M16s who took care of the

> matter! The Lubidero had just snatched a woman's purse

> while our jeepney was stopped in traffic. I bailed out to

> help but some kid passing by did a flying drop kick that

> took the thief of the BMX bike he was rapidly peddling away!

> It was quite a scene! By all means send me info on the belt

> technique. Cheers Perry

>

> --- On Wed, 1/28/09, G. Byrne <kon861@yahoo. com>

> wrote:

>

> > From: G. Byrne <kon861@yahoo. com>

> > Subject: Re: [non-traditional_ stickfighting] Re:

> Members

> > To: non-traditional_ stickfighting@ yahoogroups. com

> > Date: Wednesday, January 28, 2009, 9:10 AM

> > Dirk.

> >  

> > I'll be sorry to see this list go, but you may be

> > right. I havn't had much time to read any of this

> in the

> > last year (Been working 70-90 hr work weeks) let alone

> do

> > any stick work :-(

> > It's taken a while to catch up.

> >  

> > Perry.

> >  

> > You mentioned that you were putting something together

> with

> > family fighting techniques.. . If you are still

> interested I

> > have one for using a belt. Let me know if you are

> still

> > interested.

> >  

> > Thanks

> >  

> > Gary

> >

> > --- On Wed, 1/28/09, Perry Gamsby

> > <perrygamsby999@ yahoo.com> wrote:

> >

> > From: Perry Gamsby <perrygamsby999@ yahoo.com>

> > Subject: [non-traditional_ stickfighting] Re: Members

> > To: non-traditional_ stickfighting@ yahoogroups. com

> > Date: Wednesday, January 28, 2009, 4:04 AM

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Given the last post was in July and nothing since

> then,

> > perhaps that is the right decision I

> > have started and ended groups when they pass their use

> by

> > date. It was a good idea,

> > achieved what you wanted it to and now time to move

> on. Of

> > coruse if anyone wants to

> > take you up on your offer and revitalise it, go for

> it. If

> > I can be helpful of course I will be.

> > Cheers Perry

> >

> > --- In non-traditional_ stickfighting@ yahoogroups.

> com,

> > "Dirk E. Folmer" <defolmer@.. .>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Thank you, all, for supporting this group. I

> created

> > it to give the

> > > independant groups a place to talk/vent/teach.

> ..I

> > believe that that

> > > time is now past as so many SPECIFIC sites exist,

> this

> > one no longer

> > > has to. SO I am closing it...I have done what I

> set

> > out to do...If any

> > > of you would like to take the reigns, so be it...

> > >

> > > I have achieved what I wanted...open style

> > discussion.. .

> > >

> > > Let me know, otherwise I will close by the end of

> the

> > week.

> > >

> > > Truly thanks to all, but it appears my job is

> done.

> > >

> > > Keep swinging!

> > >

> > > Dirk

> > >