Hey John, thanks for the compliment :)... how's Amiel doing? Haven't seen him in
a few years.

If you cross paths with him again, please forward him my hello.

Glen


--- On Mon, 6/16/08, John Enzinas <jenzinas@...> wrote:

> From: John Enzinas <jenzinas@...>
> Subject: Re: [non-traditional_stickfighting] Re: Welcome, Innervortex
> To: non-traditional_stickfighting@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Monday, June 16, 2008, 8:03 PM
> On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 2:14 PM, Glen Doyle
> <uisceman@...> wrote:
> > Glen Doyle
>
> Hi Glen! I just recognized your name.
>
> I was actually neighbors of one of your students here in
> Ottawa named Amiel.
> also, I really enjoyed your book.
>
> --j

well damn! this is about the best single line intro to date:

"Love swinging sticks and love people who love swinging sticks"

So, cdenmark13 , tell us about yourself...


Dirk,

Your Mod

On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 2:14 PM, Glen Doyle <uisceman@...> wrote:
> Glen Doyle

Hi Glen! I just recognized your name.

I was actually neighbors of one of your students here in Ottawa named Amiel.
also, I really enjoyed your book.

--j

Nice!!! I've always said I'd love to see a capoerista in MMA. Yes all
that Artsy fartsy stuff was developed to kill and maim. It's is made
to LOOK like "play" and if that's the idea you get from it than it's
doing it's job. You're supposed to think "there's no way that dancing
ferry could ever REALLY do any.....," then your laying on the ground
wandering what happened. Capoeira does have two camps, one focuses
more on the combative mind set and the other more on the cultural
mind sets, but that doesn't mean it's any less effective. Oh, and by
the way Capoeira blends great with many other arts. And I've been
trying it out with some of the JDP stuff I've picked up online, and
the fluidity of both blend seamlessly. It enhances flexibility,
mobility, and speed, not to mention an overall deceptiveness which I
think is nessary for all martial arts. And as far as the Maculele, or
Capoeira stick play, there is ALOT more than you'll see in a 2 min.
youtube clip.The true martial ability of it is rarely seen
by "outsiders." The Brazilians used this to survive, and therefore
kept alot secret and very discreet, still even today. The weapons
stuff in capoeira was considered "in the black" and only taught to
the highest level students, and even then if you didn`t possess the
correct mental attitude than, no matter how long you studied the art,
you`d never learn the weapons stuff. I think JDP will be a welcome
addition to my martial training. And to those that may doubt
Capoeira's street effectiveness, don't knock it till you tried it (at
least with someone that knows what they are doing).--Ellis


--- In non-traditional_stickfighting@yahoogroups.com, "innervortex"
<InnerVortex@...> wrote:
>
> i actually never practiced capoeira, but its very well known around
> here, since the connections of brazil and portugal..
>
> it does have a very cultural background, as i was told, slaves
> practiced it to train them selfs some kind of fighting art but
without
> making it look like a martial art to they "owners".
>
> So, you don't go to capoeira to practice a effective martial art,
you
> go for the culture happy and joyfully groove and, yes, athletics,
> loots of it!(that's not for me too but i understand and like it.)
>
> of course there are extremes,and they did practice it to use it in
> real live eventually.
>
> ive seen some capoeira stickfighting stuff but was just a
> choreographed dance, i would love to try to mix it with jogo do pau,
> but their goals are so different that i find it hard to realize, but
> would love to try!
>
>
> --- In non-traditional_stickfighting@yahoogroups.com, perry gamsby
> <perrygamsby999@> wrote:
> >
> > I would like to see some street effective Capoeria, all the stuff
we
> have here in Sydney is for the sandal wearers and fruit juice
> drinkers, lots of music and leaping around and not much else. I
> sparred several of them and just crashed in, took the hit such as it
> was and duffed them up.  I have seen footage of some guys in Brazil
I
> think might not have let that happen but what we have here appeals
to
> the athletic arty farty types wanting something esoteric and exotic
> that they can pretend teaches them self defence.
> >
> > I can't believe that the art isn't intended to be effective for
> real, otherwise why would it have been developed? Unless it was
> developed as a form of exercise or entertainment and somebody
thought,
> hey, this might make a system of self defence! I would appreciate
some
> feedback and other points of view because as I said, all the
Capoeria
> I have seen has been fun, definitely for the fit and great to watch
> but not what I would call street effective. Cheers Perry
> >
> > --- On Fri, 6/13/08, ELLIS <ellischasemichael@> wrote:
> >
> > > From: ELLIS <ellischasemichael@>
> > > Subject: [non-traditional_stickfighting] Re: Love the JDP stuff
> > > To: non-traditional_stickfighting@yahoogroups.com
> > > Date: Friday, June 13, 2008, 1:20 PM
> > > Thanks for the response, and by the way, your English is
> > > great (MUCH
> > > better than my Portuguese!). I really do love the fluidness
> > > of your
> > > art, as well as the concept of using your economy of motion
> > > in order
> > > to set up your next move. It's very similar to Capoeira
> > > in that way.
> > > I can't wait to see more, and to try blending it with
> > > my
> > > Capoeira "play." Should make a beautiful outcome,
> > > not to mention a
> > > deadly one. --Ellis
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In non-traditional_stickfighting@yahoogroups.com,
> > > "innervortex"
> > > <InnerVortex@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi, capoeira is a very beautiful martial art and lots
> > > of people
> > > > practice it here in portugal too.
> > > > There are more jogo do pau videos here:
> > > > http://www.youtube.com/group/jogodopau
> > > > and i will add more as soon as they show up.
> > > > As you can see, yes, jogo do pau is very fluid, but
> > > that only
> > > happens
> > > > when the blocks are well done.
> > > > Ill try to explain in my terrible English.
> > > > When you block, you use the bouncing of your stick to
> > > start a new
> > > > attack, thats why it is very fluid, and in
> > > demonstrations and semi
> > > > controlled sparing you can play for long time, just
> > > like that, using
> > > > the bouncing and striking back with lots of speed.
> > > > Of course in real life or competitions that happens a
> > > few times, or
> > > > lasts only a few seconds until some one makes a
> > > mistake or one of
> > > them
> > > > surprises the other.
> > > > What i want to say is that this fluidity comes from
> > > strong contact
> > > and
> > > > reaction, and well use and direction of energy in
> > > motion.
> > > > hope it could help,
> > > > im also doing a website about jogo do pau, but its
> > > mainly in
> > > > portuguese so it might not help much, here:
> > > jogodopauportugues.com
> > > > Cheers!
> > > >
> > > > --- In non-traditional_stickfighting@yahoogroups.com,
> > > "ELLIS"
> > > > <ellischasemichael@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > You know, the more I see the JDP stuff, the more
> > > I like it. I
> > > really am
> > > > > lovin' the long stick in JDP, mainly. I study
> > > Capoeira (a
> > > brizilian
> > > > > martial art) which incorprates short stick/club
> > > play in it. The
> > > Doyle
> > > > > style bata stuff fits like a glove for the medium
> > > stick/cane. And
> > > I
> > > > > really think the long stick stuff would
> > > incorprate well into my
> > > > > capoeira, as well. See, Capoeira is a art that is
> > > always in
> > > motion.
> > > > > there are no static postions at all, your always
> > > moving and I
> > > think
> > > > > that would translate well into the JDP stick play
> > > (from what I've
> > > seen
> > > > > of it), as it seems to always be in motion as
> > > well. I like how,
> > > to
> > > > > generate more power, you slide along the lenght
> > > of the stick
> > > which
> > > > > would probley help whith the long stick in closer
> > > quarters as
> > > well. I
> > > > > was wandering if someone could elaborate a bit on
> > > JDP as a whole,
> > > as I
> > > > > don't know much about it. Love the clips,
> > > keep 'em coming.--Ellis
> > > > >
> > > >
> >
>

What a terrific athlete and blindingly quick with those kicks.  I think just the
speed times the mass etc if one landed it would hurt! Very whip like. Thanks for
the pointer, hours of enjoyable viewing there and of course great to see a more
combative application of Capoeria. Cheers Perry

PS I was lined up to take on Bas Rutten but they said I couldn't take my stick
in the ring with me. Or the knife, sap, blackjack and cosh.  I figured what's
the point? They took all the fun out of it for me!

--- On Sun, 6/15/08, Dirk <defolmer@...> wrote:

> From: Dirk <defolmer@...>
> Subject: RE: [non-traditional_stickfighting] Both Kinds
> To: non-traditional_stickfighting@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Sunday, June 15, 2008, 10:10 AM
> Here's one JP!
>
> This guy pulls what we call Chauson, it's where you
> touch ground w/ off hand, and take the head...Lovely
> fighter!
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQg24WFaVtw
>
>
> Dirk
> "Speak  softly and carry a big stick; you will go
> far"
> Theodore Roosevelt   Sept 3, 1901
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>             My first experience with capoeira was very much
> like you describe in the beginning of
> your post . It was  verbatim as you describe,  cross
> pollinated with evenings spent on
> the didgeradoos kinda shit .
> I wont get into the details but I was forced into this by
> my employer at the time. No
> shit. But I absolutely refused to do it .  Needless to say
> I did not work there soon
> after,
>
> But I have since seen, on one of the MMA pay shows , I saw
> a caperia fighter going at
> in MMA fashion. And it was really dangerous stuff. The
> things that stood out to me
> were the unpredictability of the moves and a vicious axe
> type kick downwards on to
> the collar bone . There was no doubt in my mind that this
> guy could kick the shit out
> of just about anybody. To be honest I have not seen it
> since but It was very very
> different looking when in the ring and it was had a
> distinct capoera look to it . This
> more than likely came from the agility those guys focus on.
>
> But it was so very cool to get a peek at it pared down to
> it's useful beginnings and
> thrown in a ring.
> Maybe somebody knows this kids name???
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Here's one JP!

This guy pulls what we call Chauson, it's where you touch ground w/ off hand,
and take the head...Lovely fighter!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQg24WFaVtw


Dirk
"Speak  softly and carry a big stick; you will go far"
Theodore Roosevelt   Sept 3, 1901


















             My first experience with capoeira was very much like you describe in
the beginning of
your post . It was  verbatim as you describe,  cross pollinated with evenings
spent on
the didgeradoos kinda shit .
I wont get into the details but I was forced into this by my employer at the
time. No
shit. But I absolutely refused to do it .  Needless to say I did not work there
soon
after,

But I have since seen, on one of the MMA pay shows , I saw a caperia fighter
going at
in MMA fashion. And it was really dangerous stuff. The things that stood out to
me
were the unpredictability of the moves and a vicious axe type kick downwards on
to
the collar bone . There was no doubt in my mind that this guy could kick the
shit out
of just about anybody. To be honest I have not seen it since but It was very
very
different looking when in the ring and it was had a distinct capoera look to it
. This
more than likely came from the agility those guys focus on.
But it was so very cool to get a peek at it pared down to it's useful beginnings
and
thrown in a ring.
Maybe somebody knows this kids name???





























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i actually never practiced capoeira, but its very well known around
here, since the connections of brazil and portugal..

it does have a very cultural background, as i was told, slaves
practiced it to train them selfs some kind of fighting art but without
making it look like a martial art to they "owners".

So, you don't go to capoeira to practice a effective martial art, you
go for the culture happy and joyfully groove and, yes, athletics,
loots of it!(that's not for me too but i understand and like it.)

of course there are extremes,and they did practice it to use it in
real live eventually.

ive seen some capoeira stickfighting stuff but was just a
choreographed dance, i would love to try to mix it with jogo do pau,
but their goals are so different that i find it hard to realize, but
would love to try!


--- In non-traditional_stickfighting@yahoogroups.com, perry gamsby
<perrygamsby999@...> wrote:
>
> I would like to see some street effective Capoeria, all the stuff we
have here in Sydney is for the sandal wearers and fruit juice
drinkers, lots of music and leaping around and not much else. I
sparred several of them and just crashed in, took the hit such as it
was and duffed them up.  I have seen footage of some guys in Brazil I
think might not have let that happen but what we have here appeals to
the athletic arty farty types wanting something esoteric and exotic
that they can pretend teaches them self defence.
>
> I can't believe that the art isn't intended to be effective for
real, otherwise why would it have been developed? Unless it was
developed as a form of exercise or entertainment and somebody thought,
hey, this might make a system of self defence! I would appreciate some
feedback and other points of view because as I said, all the Capoeria
I have seen has been fun, definitely for the fit and great to watch
but not what I would call street effective. Cheers Perry
>
> --- On Fri, 6/13/08, ELLIS <ellischasemichael@...> wrote:
>
> > From: ELLIS <ellischasemichael@...>
> > Subject: [non-traditional_stickfighting] Re: Love the JDP stuff
> > To: non-traditional_stickfighting@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Friday, June 13, 2008, 1:20 PM
> > Thanks for the response, and by the way, your English is
> > great (MUCH
> > better than my Portuguese!). I really do love the fluidness
> > of your
> > art, as well as the concept of using your economy of motion
> > in order
> > to set up your next move. It's very similar to Capoeira
> > in that way.
> > I can't wait to see more, and to try blending it with
> > my
> > Capoeira "play." Should make a beautiful outcome,
> > not to mention a
> > deadly one. --Ellis
> >
> >
> > --- In non-traditional_stickfighting@yahoogroups.com,
> > "innervortex"
> > <InnerVortex@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi, capoeira is a very beautiful martial art and lots
> > of people
> > > practice it here in portugal too.
> > > There are more jogo do pau videos here:
> > > http://www.youtube.com/group/jogodopau
> > > and i will add more as soon as they show up.
> > > As you can see, yes, jogo do pau is very fluid, but
> > that only
> > happens
> > > when the blocks are well done.
> > > Ill try to explain in my terrible English.
> > > When you block, you use the bouncing of your stick to
> > start a new
> > > attack, thats why it is very fluid, and in
> > demonstrations and semi
> > > controlled sparing you can play for long time, just
> > like that, using
> > > the bouncing and striking back with lots of speed.
> > > Of course in real life or competitions that happens a
> > few times, or
> > > lasts only a few seconds until some one makes a
> > mistake or one of
> > them
> > > surprises the other.
> > > What i want to say is that this fluidity comes from
> > strong contact
> > and
> > > reaction, and well use and direction of energy in
> > motion.
> > > hope it could help,
> > > im also doing a website about jogo do pau, but its
> > mainly in
> > > portuguese so it might not help much, here:
> > jogodopauportugues.com
> > > Cheers!
> > >
> > > --- In non-traditional_stickfighting@yahoogroups.com,
> > "ELLIS"
> > > <ellischasemichael@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > You know, the more I see the JDP stuff, the more
> > I like it. I
> > really am
> > > > lovin' the long stick in JDP, mainly. I study
> > Capoeira (a
> > brizilian
> > > > martial art) which incorprates short stick/club
> > play in it. The
> > Doyle
> > > > style bata stuff fits like a glove for the medium
> > stick/cane. And
> > I
> > > > really think the long stick stuff would
> > incorprate well into my
> > > > capoeira, as well. See, Capoeira is a art that is
> > always in
> > motion.
> > > > there are no static postions at all, your always
> > moving and I
> > think
> > > > that would translate well into the JDP stick play
> > (from what I've
> > seen
> > > > of it), as it seems to always be in motion as
> > well. I like how,
> > to
> > > > generate more power, you slide along the lenght
> > of the stick
> > which
> > > > would probley help whith the long stick in closer
> > quarters as
> > well. I
> > > > was wandering if someone could elaborate a bit on
> > JDP as a whole,
> > as I
> > > > don't know much about it. Love the clips,
> > keep 'em coming.--Ellis
> > > >
> > >
>

My first experience with capoeira was very much like you describe in the
beginning of
your post . It was  verbatim as you describe,  cross pollinated with evenings
spent on
the didgeradoos kinda shit .
I wont get into the details but I was forced into this by my employer at the
time. No
shit. But I absolutely refused to do it .  Needless to say I did not work there
soon
after,

  But I have since seen, on one of the MMA pay shows , I saw a caperia fighter
going at
in MMA fashion. And it was really dangerous stuff. The things that stood out to
me
were the unpredictability of the moves and a vicious axe type kick downwards on
to
the collar bone . There was no doubt in my mind that this guy could kick the
shit out
of just about anybody. To be honest I have not seen it since but It was very
very
different looking when in the ring and it was had a distinct capoera look to it
. This
more than likely came from the agility those guys focus on.
But it was so very cool to get a peek at it pared down to it's useful beginnings
and
thrown in a ring.
Maybe somebody knows this kids name???

I would like to see some street effective Capoeria, all the stuff we have here
in Sydney is for the sandal wearers and fruit juice drinkers, lots of music and
leaping around and not much else. I sparred several of them and just crashed in,
took the hit such as it was and duffed them up.  I have seen footage of some
guys in Brazil I think might not have let that happen but what we have here
appeals to the athletic arty farty types wanting something esoteric and exotic
that they can pretend teaches them self defence.

I can't believe that the art isn't intended to be effective for real, otherwise
why would it have been developed? Unless it was developed as a form of exercise
or entertainment and somebody thought, hey, this might make a system of self
defence! I would appreciate some feedback and other points of view because as I
said, all the Capoeria I have seen has been fun, definitely for the fit and
great to watch but not what I would call street effective. Cheers Perry

--- On Fri, 6/13/08, ELLIS <ellischasemichael@...> wrote:

> From: ELLIS <ellischasemichael@...>
> Subject: [non-traditional_stickfighting] Re: Love the JDP stuff
> To: non-traditional_stickfighting@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Friday, June 13, 2008, 1:20 PM
> Thanks for the response, and by the way, your English is
> great (MUCH
> better than my Portuguese!). I really do love the fluidness
> of your
> art, as well as the concept of using your economy of motion
> in order
> to set up your next move. It's very similar to Capoeira
> in that way.
> I can't wait to see more, and to try blending it with
> my
> Capoeira "play." Should make a beautiful outcome,
> not to mention a
> deadly one. --Ellis
>
>
> --- In non-traditional_stickfighting@yahoogroups.com,
> "innervortex"
> <InnerVortex@...> wrote:
> >
> > Hi, capoeira is a very beautiful martial art and lots
> of people
> > practice it here in portugal too.
> > There are more jogo do pau videos here:
> > http://www.youtube.com/group/jogodopau
> > and i will add more as soon as they show up.
> > As you can see, yes, jogo do pau is very fluid, but
> that only
> happens
> > when the blocks are well done.
> > Ill try to explain in my terrible English.
> > When you block, you use the bouncing of your stick to
> start a new
> > attack, thats why it is very fluid, and in
> demonstrations and semi
> > controlled sparing you can play for long time, just
> like that, using
> > the bouncing and striking back with lots of speed.
> > Of course in real life or competitions that happens a
> few times, or
> > lasts only a few seconds until some one makes a
> mistake or one of
> them
> > surprises the other.
> > What i want to say is that this fluidity comes from
> strong contact
> and
> > reaction, and well use and direction of energy in
> motion.
> > hope it could help,
> > im also doing a website about jogo do pau, but its
> mainly in
> > portuguese so it might not help much, here:
> jogodopauportugues.com
> > Cheers!
> >
> > --- In non-traditional_stickfighting@yahoogroups.com,
> "ELLIS"
> > <ellischasemichael@> wrote:
> > >
> > > You know, the more I see the JDP stuff, the more
> I like it. I
> really am
> > > lovin' the long stick in JDP, mainly. I study
> Capoeira (a
> brizilian
> > > martial art) which incorprates short stick/club
> play in it. The
> Doyle
> > > style bata stuff fits like a glove for the medium
> stick/cane. And
> I
> > > really think the long stick stuff would
> incorprate well into my
> > > capoeira, as well. See, Capoeira is a art that is
> always in
> motion.
> > > there are no static postions at all, your always
> moving and I
> think
> > > that would translate well into the JDP stick play
> (from what I've
> seen
> > > of it), as it seems to always be in motion as
> well. I like how,
> to
> > > generate more power, you slide along the lenght
> of the stick
> which
> > > would probley help whith the long stick in closer
> quarters as
> well. I
> > > was wandering if someone could elaborate a bit on
> JDP as a whole,
> as I
> > > don't know much about it. Love the clips,
> keep 'em coming.--Ellis
> > >
> >

Thanks for the response, and by the way, your English is great (MUCH
better than my Portuguese!). I really do love the fluidness of your
art, as well as the concept of using your economy of motion in order
to set up your next move. It's very similar to Capoeira in that way.
I can't wait to see more, and to try blending it with my
Capoeira "play." Should make a beautiful outcome, not to mention a
deadly one. --Ellis


--- In non-traditional_stickfighting@yahoogroups.com, "innervortex"
<InnerVortex@...> wrote:
>
> Hi, capoeira is a very beautiful martial art and lots of people
> practice it here in portugal too.
> There are more jogo do pau videos here:
> http://www.youtube.com/group/jogodopau
> and i will add more as soon as they show up.
> As you can see, yes, jogo do pau is very fluid, but that only
happens
> when the blocks are well done.
> Ill try to explain in my terrible English.
> When you block, you use the bouncing of your stick to start a new
> attack, thats why it is very fluid, and in demonstrations and semi
> controlled sparing you can play for long time, just like that, using
> the bouncing and striking back with lots of speed.
> Of course in real life or competitions that happens a few times, or
> lasts only a few seconds until some one makes a mistake or one of
them
> surprises the other.
> What i want to say is that this fluidity comes from strong contact
and
> reaction, and well use and direction of energy in motion.
> hope it could help,
> im also doing a website about jogo do pau, but its mainly in
> portuguese so it might not help much, here: jogodopauportugues.com
> Cheers!
>
> --- In non-traditional_stickfighting@yahoogroups.com, "ELLIS"
> <ellischasemichael@> wrote:
> >
> > You know, the more I see the JDP stuff, the more I like it. I
really am
> > lovin' the long stick in JDP, mainly. I study Capoeira (a
brizilian
> > martial art) which incorprates short stick/club play in it. The
Doyle
> > style bata stuff fits like a glove for the medium stick/cane. And
I
> > really think the long stick stuff would incorprate well into my
> > capoeira, as well. See, Capoeira is a art that is always in
motion.
> > there are no static postions at all, your always moving and I
think
> > that would translate well into the JDP stick play (from what I've
seen
> > of it), as it seems to always be in motion as well. I like how,
to
> > generate more power, you slide along the lenght of the stick
which
> > would probley help whith the long stick in closer quarters as
well. I
> > was wandering if someone could elaborate a bit on JDP as a whole,
as I
> > don't know much about it. Love the clips, keep 'em coming.--Ellis
> >
>

Hi, capoeira is a very beautiful martial art and lots of people
practice it here in portugal too.
There are more jogo do pau videos here:
http://www.youtube.com/group/jogodopau
and i will add more as soon as they show up.
As you can see, yes, jogo do pau is very fluid, but that only happens
when the blocks are well done.
Ill try to explain in my terrible English.
When you block, you use the bouncing of your stick to start a new
attack, thats why it is very fluid, and in demonstrations and semi
controlled sparing you can play for long time, just like that, using
the bouncing and striking back with lots of speed.
Of course in real life or competitions that happens a few times, or
lasts only a few seconds until some one makes a mistake or one of them
surprises the other.
What i want to say is that this fluidity comes from strong contact and
reaction, and well use and direction of energy in motion.
hope it could help,
im also doing a website about jogo do pau, but its mainly in
portuguese so it might not help much, here: jogodopauportugues.com
Cheers!

--- In non-traditional_stickfighting@yahoogroups.com, "ELLIS"
<ellischasemichael@...> wrote:
>
> You know, the more I see the JDP stuff, the more I like it. I really am
> lovin' the long stick in JDP, mainly. I study Capoeira (a brizilian
> martial art) which incorprates short stick/club play in it. The Doyle
> style bata stuff fits like a glove for the medium stick/cane. And I
> really think the long stick stuff would incorprate well into my
> capoeira, as well. See, Capoeira is a art that is always in motion.
> there are no static postions at all, your always moving and I think
> that would translate well into the JDP stick play (from what I've seen
> of it), as it seems to always be in motion as well. I like how, to
> generate more power, you slide along the lenght of the stick which
> would probley help whith the long stick in closer quarters as well. I
> was wandering if someone could elaborate a bit on JDP as a whole, as I
> don't know much about it. Love the clips, keep 'em coming.--Ellis
>

My family were so poor we had to make do with three
large English pennies stuck between the fingers! Never
tried it though!  My Grandad used to carry a rolled up
Evening Gazette (the local paper where my family are
from is legend in our family history for several
reasons) He beat up three late teen louts who gobbed
off one night when he was in his sixties.

Love the anecdote. Cheers Perry


--- Dirk <defolmer@...> wrote:

>
> Perry,
>
>       Funny as it may sound.... My Dad told me to
> ALWAYS carry a roll of coins... there is NO WAY
> carrying a roll of coins is a weapon (if asked) and
> EASY to get rid of (if necessary).
>       I hate to admit this but at the age of 7 (I
> think) I got into it w/ my brother age 14 ( app) and
> nailed him in the jaw w/ a loaded fist...AS TAUGT,
> and put him on his ASS...not out but stunned...my
> eldest brothers had to restrain him...or he'd have
> killed me...because after I had hit him I innocently
> held out my hand and said to the elder brothers "
> WOW! it realy works!"
>
> Fun anecdote.
>
>
> Dirk
> "Speak  softly and carry a big stick; you will go
> far"
> Theodore Roosevelt   Sept 3, 1901
>
>
>  --- On Tue 06/03, perry gamsby <
> perrygamsby999@... > wrote:
> From: perry gamsby [mailto:
> perrygamsby999@...]
> To: non-traditional_stickfighting@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 15:22:35 -0700 (PDT)
> Subject: Re: [non-traditional_stickfighting]
> Speaking of Family 'Systems'
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>             Glen et al, Any excuse for a trip past
> the Duty Free
> and time spent talking sticks and stoushes Old Son!
>
> Now, how many of us out there were taught something
> by
> our Dads and Grandads?  These tips and tricks were
> learnt by them the hard way and are pure gold.  It
> would be great to collate them and see what pooled
> family history of the manly arts there is amongst
> us.
>
> I am a full time student at the moment, back at
> university at 46 doing a Master of Arts in Writing.
> One of my subjects this semester is writing family
> history.  I am thinking about a 'potted' family
> history of fight skills handed down.  Would anyone
> here be willing to donate any snippets passed down?
> I
> would need email address details etc to offer as a
> full reference to show I didn't make them up myself
> but if necessary names can be changed. I could also
> post the finished essay here in the files for
> posterity.
>
> Cheers Perry
>
> --- Glen Doyle <uisceman@...> wrote:
>
> > Hi Again Perry,
> >
> > I probably present it a little more systematic
> than
> > it was taught to me *lol*... dad would just teach
> me
> > based on how he felt that day (ie. how much pain
> he
> > thought I deserved ;) and I would love to see the
> > stuff you were taught... sounds like it's right up
> > my alley...
> >
> > Whenever we meet, the Whiskey is on me... and I
> look
> > forward to chatting about family, methods, and
> > anything else that comes up.
> >
> > Thanks a million for sharing
> > Glen
> >
> > --- On Fri, 5/23/08, perry gamsby
> > <perrygamsby999@...> wrote:
> >
> > > From: perry gamsby <perrygamsby999@...>
> > > Subject: [non-traditional_stickfighting]
> Speaking
> > of Family 'Systems'
> > > To:
> non-traditional_stickfighting@yahoogroups.com
> > > Date: Friday, May 23, 2008, 11:42 PM
> > > Glen, the method you showed on the videos is far
> > more
> > > 'thought out' than the few 'tricks' shown
> > > me by my Dad
> > > and Grandad, more systematic.  The concept is
> the
> > > same, to close in and finish it as quick as you
> > can
> > > and 'no buggering about, lad!'
> > >
> > > Your mate Rich certainly gets into it! I would
> be
> > > happy to have him by my side or in front of me
> in
> > a
> > > stoush... by that I mean I'm staring at the back
> > of
> > > his head, not the stick in his hand!
> > >
> > > With our family system it uses the same
> horizontal
> > > grip.  We also flick and close, then "butt
> (kayak
> > like
> > > strikes) and bayonet" (thrust).  Lots of knees,
> > > elbows, headbutts, palm heels and rabbit chops,
> > spit
> > > and bite to taste....
> > >
> > > Pop (my Grandad) was a big one for the rolled up
> > > newspaper.  He also walked with a cane from when
> > he
> > > got off crutches in the early 1920s. (Last of
> five
> > > wounds and three gassings was a bullet in the
> > foot)
> > > Working at the shipyards and ICI in Billingham
> > meant
> > > he had occasion to use his skills. (Lots of
> > migrant
> > > Irish workers there during WW2!) :o)
> > >
> > > You are doing stickfighting, Irish culture and
> the
> > lot
> > > of us a great service mate.  We will share that
> > > Jameson's one day.  Cheers Perry
> > >
> > >
> > > --- Glen Doyle <uisceman@...> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi Perry,
> > > >
> > > > Love hearing about people who have learned
> > something
> > > > similar from the family, especially when it's
> > put
> > > a
> > > > stick in your hand. It just solidifies that a
> > > 'stick
> > > > is a stick' no matter where you travel.
> > > >
> > > > Sounds like you and I have walked a few of the
> > same
> > > > roads in our quest for martial knowledge, and
> > it's
> > > > nice to meet a comrade. I look forward to
> > chatting
> > > > with you more.
> > > >
> > > > Glen
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
=== message truncated ===

Perry,

       Funny as it may sound.... My Dad told me to ALWAYS carry a roll of
coins... there is NO WAY carrying a roll of coins is a weapon (if asked) and
EASY to get rid of (if necessary).
       I hate to admit this but at the age of 7 (I think) I got into it w/ my
brother age 14 ( app) and nailed him in the jaw w/ a loaded fist...AS TAUGT, and
put him on his ASS...not out but stunned...my eldest brothers had to restrain
him...or he'd have killed me...because after I had hit him I innocently held out
my hand and said to the elder brothers " WOW! it realy works!"

Fun anecdote.


Dirk
"Speak  softly and carry a big stick; you will go far"
Theodore Roosevelt   Sept 3, 1901


  --- On Tue 06/03, perry gamsby < perrygamsby999@... > wrote:
From: perry gamsby [mailto: perrygamsby999@...]
To: non-traditional_stickfighting@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 15:22:35 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: [non-traditional_stickfighting] Speaking of Family 'Systems'


















             Glen et al, Any excuse for a trip past the Duty Free
and time spent talking sticks and stoushes Old Son!

Now, how many of us out there were taught something by
our Dads and Grandads?  These tips and tricks were
learnt by them the hard way and are pure gold.  It
would be great to collate them and see what pooled
family history of the manly arts there is amongst us.

I am a full time student at the moment, back at
university at 46 doing a Master of Arts in Writing.
One of my subjects this semester is writing family
history.  I am thinking about a 'potted' family
history of fight skills handed down.  Would anyone
here be willing to donate any snippets passed down?  I
would need email address details etc to offer as a
full reference to show I didn't make them up myself
but if necessary names can be changed. I could also
post the finished essay here in the files for
posterity.

Cheers Perry

--- Glen Doyle <uisceman@...> wrote:

> Hi Again Perry,
>
> I probably present it a little more systematic than
> it was taught to me *lol*... dad would just teach me
> based on how he felt that day (ie. how much pain he
> thought I deserved ;) and I would love to see the
> stuff you were taught... sounds like it's right up
> my alley...
>
> Whenever we meet, the Whiskey is on me... and I look
> forward to chatting about family, methods, and
> anything else that comes up.
>
> Thanks a million for sharing
> Glen
>
> --- On Fri, 5/23/08, perry gamsby
> <perrygamsby999@...> wrote:
>
> > From: perry gamsby <perrygamsby999@...>
> > Subject: [non-traditional_stickfighting] Speaking
> of Family 'Systems'
> > To: non-traditional_stickfighting@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Friday, May 23, 2008, 11:42 PM
> > Glen, the method you showed on the videos is far
> more
> > 'thought out' than the few 'tricks' shown
> > me by my Dad
> > and Grandad, more systematic.  The concept is the
> > same, to close in and finish it as quick as you
> can
> > and 'no buggering about, lad!'
> >
> > Your mate Rich certainly gets into it! I would be
> > happy to have him by my side or in front of me in
> a
> > stoush... by that I mean I'm staring at the back
> of
> > his head, not the stick in his hand!
> >
> > With our family system it uses the same horizontal
> > grip.  We also flick and close, then "butt (kayak
> like
> > strikes) and bayonet" (thrust).  Lots of knees,
> > elbows, headbutts, palm heels and rabbit chops,
> spit
> > and bite to taste....
> >
> > Pop (my Grandad) was a big one for the rolled up
> > newspaper.  He also walked with a cane from when
> he
> > got off crutches in the early 1920s. (Last of five
> > wounds and three gassings was a bullet in the
> foot)
> > Working at the shipyards and ICI in Billingham
> meant
> > he had occasion to use his skills. (Lots of
> migrant
> > Irish workers there during WW2!) :o)
> >
> > You are doing stickfighting, Irish culture and the
> lot
> > of us a great service mate.  We will share that
> > Jameson's one day.  Cheers Perry
> >
> >
> > --- Glen Doyle <uisceman@...> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Perry,
> > >
> > > Love hearing about people who have learned
> something
> > > similar from the family, especially when it's
> put
> > a
> > > stick in your hand. It just solidifies that a
> > 'stick
> > > is a stick' no matter where you travel.
> > >
> > > Sounds like you and I have walked a few of the
> same
> > > roads in our quest for martial knowledge, and
> it's
> > > nice to meet a comrade. I look forward to
> chatting
> > > with you more.
> > >
> > > Glen
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
>
>
>
>
>





























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You know, the more I see the JDP stuff, the more I like it. I really am
lovin' the long stick in JDP, mainly. I study Capoeira (a brizilian
martial art) which incorprates short stick/club play in it. The Doyle
style bata stuff fits like a glove for the medium stick/cane. And I
really think the long stick stuff would incorprate well into my
capoeira, as well. See, Capoeira is a art that is always in motion.
there are no static postions at all, your always moving and I think
that would translate well into the JDP stick play (from what I've seen
of it), as it seems to always be in motion as well. I like how, to
generate more power, you slide along the lenght of the stick which
would probley help whith the long stick in closer quarters as well. I
was wandering if someone could elaborate a bit on JDP as a whole, as I
don't know much about it. Love the clips, keep 'em coming.--Ellis

Hey Glen, Hey Dirk, Hello everybody!! Look forward to talking more
stick, and learning as much as possible. I gotta read back to get
caught up so hope to be posting soon.--Ellis

--- In non-traditional_stickfighting@yahoogroups.com, Glen Doyle
<uisceman@...> wrote:
>
> Hey Ellis! :)
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Glen Doyle
> Cead Bua Fighting Faction
> www.fightingfaction.com
>
> Irish Stick Fighting on YouTube
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpIIjrGuNtQ
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xEQv4guwcA4
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_blPpVxaLAs
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d43qH9w5Dow
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDhDn8Y1xYg
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htxSmrJHnVk
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=REvuqH8cRJc
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6p4Jp1he1uM
>
>
> --- On Tue, 6/3/08, Dirk E. Folmer <defolmer@...> wrote:
>
> > From: Dirk E. Folmer <defolmer@...>
> > Subject: [non-traditional_stickfighting] Welcome
> > To: non-traditional_stickfighting@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Tuesday, June 3, 2008, 2:37 AM
> > Ellis,
> >       Welcome aboard! Feel free to chime on in...
> >
> >
> > Dirk
> > Your Mod
>

Glen et al, Any excuse for a trip past the Duty Free
and time spent talking sticks and stoushes Old Son!

Now, how many of us out there were taught something by
our Dads and Grandads?  These tips and tricks were
learnt by them the hard way and are pure gold.  It
would be great to collate them and see what pooled
family history of the manly arts there is amongst us.

I am a full time student at the moment, back at
university at 46 doing a Master of Arts in Writing.
One of my subjects this semester is writing family
history.  I am thinking about a 'potted' family
history of fight skills handed down.  Would anyone
here be willing to donate any snippets passed down?  I
would need email address details etc to offer as a
full reference to show I didn't make them up myself
but if necessary names can be changed. I could also
post the finished essay here in the files for
posterity.

Cheers Perry


--- Glen Doyle <uisceman@...> wrote:

> Hi Again Perry,
>
> I probably present it a little more systematic than
> it was taught to me *lol*... dad would just teach me
> based on how he felt that day (ie. how much pain he
> thought I deserved ;) and I would love to see the
> stuff you were taught... sounds like it's right up
> my alley...
>
> Whenever we meet, the Whiskey is on me... and I look
> forward to chatting about family, methods, and
> anything else that comes up.
>
> Thanks a million for sharing
> Glen
>
> --- On Fri, 5/23/08, perry gamsby
> <perrygamsby999@...> wrote:
>
> > From: perry gamsby <perrygamsby999@...>
> > Subject: [non-traditional_stickfighting] Speaking
> of Family 'Systems'
> > To: non-traditional_stickfighting@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Friday, May 23, 2008, 11:42 PM
> > Glen, the method you showed on the videos is far
> more
> > 'thought out' than the few 'tricks' shown
> > me by my Dad
> > and Grandad, more systematic.  The concept is the
> > same, to close in and finish it as quick as you
> can
> > and 'no buggering about, lad!'
> >
> > Your mate Rich certainly gets into it! I would be
> > happy to have him by my side or in front of me in
> a
> > stoush... by that I mean I'm staring at the back
> of
> > his head, not the stick in his hand!
> >
> > With our family system it uses the same horizontal
> > grip.  We also flick and close, then "butt (kayak
> like
> > strikes) and bayonet" (thrust).  Lots of knees,
> > elbows, headbutts, palm heels and rabbit chops,
> spit
> > and bite to taste....
> >
> > Pop (my Grandad) was a big one for the rolled up
> > newspaper.  He also walked with a cane from when
> he
> > got off crutches in the early 1920s. (Last of five
> > wounds and three gassings was a bullet in the
> foot)
> > Working at the shipyards and ICI in Billingham
> meant
> > he had occasion to use his skills. (Lots of
> migrant
> > Irish workers there during WW2!) :o)
> >
> > You are doing stickfighting, Irish culture and the
> lot
> > of us a great service mate.  We will share that
> > Jameson's one day.  Cheers Perry
> >
> >
> > --- Glen Doyle <uisceman@...> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Perry,
> > >
> > > Love hearing about people who have learned
> something
> > > similar from the family, especially when it's
> put
> > a
> > > stick in your hand. It just solidifies that a
> > 'stick
> > > is a stick' no matter where you travel.
> > >
> > > Sounds like you and I have walked a few of the
> same
> > > roads in our quest for martial knowledge, and
> it's
> > > nice to meet a comrade. I look forward to
> chatting
> > > with you more.
> > >
> > > Glen
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
>
>
>
>
>

Hey Ellis! :)

Sincerely,

Glen Doyle
Cead Bua Fighting Faction
www.fightingfaction.com

Irish Stick Fighting on YouTube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpIIjrGuNtQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xEQv4guwcA4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_blPpVxaLAs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d43qH9w5Dow
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDhDn8Y1xYg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htxSmrJHnVk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=REvuqH8cRJc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6p4Jp1he1uM


--- On Tue, 6/3/08, Dirk E. Folmer <defolmer@...> wrote:

> From: Dirk E. Folmer <defolmer@...>
> Subject: [non-traditional_stickfighting] Welcome
> To: non-traditional_stickfighting@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Tuesday, June 3, 2008, 2:37 AM
> Ellis,
>       Welcome aboard! Feel free to chime on in...
>
>
> Dirk
> Your Mod

Hi Again Perry,

I probably present it a little more systematic than it was taught to me *lol*...
dad would just teach me based on how he felt that day (ie. how much pain he
thought I deserved ;) and I would love to see the stuff you were taught...
sounds like it's right up my alley...

Whenever we meet, the Whiskey is on me... and I look forward to chatting about
family, methods, and anything else that comes up.

Thanks a million for sharing
Glen

--- On Fri, 5/23/08, perry gamsby <perrygamsby999@...> wrote:

> From: perry gamsby <perrygamsby999@...>
> Subject: [non-traditional_stickfighting] Speaking of Family 'Systems'
> To: non-traditional_stickfighting@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Friday, May 23, 2008, 11:42 PM
> Glen, the method you showed on the videos is far more
> 'thought out' than the few 'tricks' shown
> me by my Dad
> and Grandad, more systematic.  The concept is the
> same, to close in and finish it as quick as you can
> and 'no buggering about, lad!'
>
> Your mate Rich certainly gets into it! I would be
> happy to have him by my side or in front of me in a
> stoush... by that I mean I'm staring at the back of
> his head, not the stick in his hand!
>
> With our family system it uses the same horizontal
> grip.  We also flick and close, then "butt (kayak like
> strikes) and bayonet" (thrust).  Lots of knees,
> elbows, headbutts, palm heels and rabbit chops, spit
> and bite to taste....
>
> Pop (my Grandad) was a big one for the rolled up
> newspaper.  He also walked with a cane from when he
> got off crutches in the early 1920s. (Last of five
> wounds and three gassings was a bullet in the foot)
> Working at the shipyards and ICI in Billingham meant
> he had occasion to use his skills. (Lots of migrant
> Irish workers there during WW2!) :o)
>
> You are doing stickfighting, Irish culture and the lot
> of us a great service mate.  We will share that
> Jameson's one day.  Cheers Perry
>
>
> --- Glen Doyle <uisceman@...> wrote:
>
> > Hi Perry,
> >
> > Love hearing about people who have learned something
> > similar from the family, especially when it's put
> a
> > stick in your hand. It just solidifies that a
> 'stick
> > is a stick' no matter where you travel.
> >
> > Sounds like you and I have walked a few of the same
> > roads in our quest for martial knowledge, and it's
> > nice to meet a comrade. I look forward to chatting
> > with you more.
> >
> > Glen
> >
> >
> >
> >

Ellis,
       Welcome aboard! Feel free to chime on in...


Dirk
Your Mod

Glen, the method you showed on the videos is far more
'thought out' than the few 'tricks' shown me by my Dad
and Grandad, more systematic.  The concept is the
same, to close in and finish it as quick as you can
and 'no buggering about, lad!'

Your mate Rich certainly gets into it! I would be
happy to have him by my side or in front of me in a
stoush... by that I mean I'm staring at the back of
his head, not the stick in his hand!

With our family system it uses the same horizontal
grip.  We also flick and close, then "butt (kayak like
strikes) and bayonet" (thrust).  Lots of knees,
elbows, headbutts, palm heels and rabbit chops, spit
and bite to taste....

Pop (my Grandad) was a big one for the rolled up
newspaper.  He also walked with a cane from when he
got off crutches in the early 1920s. (Last of five
wounds and three gassings was a bullet in the foot)
Working at the shipyards and ICI in Billingham meant
he had occasion to use his skills. (Lots of migrant
Irish workers there during WW2!) :o)

You are doing stickfighting, Irish culture and the lot
of us a great service mate.  We will share that
Jameson's one day.  Cheers Perry


--- Glen Doyle <uisceman@...> wrote:

> Hi Perry,
>
> Love hearing about people who have learned something
> similar from the family, especially when it's put a
> stick in your hand. It just solidifies that a 'stick
> is a stick' no matter where you travel.
>
> Sounds like you and I have walked a few of the same
> roads in our quest for martial knowledge, and it's
> nice to meet a comrade. I look forward to chatting
> with you more.
>
> Glen
>
>
>
>

Hi Perry,

Love hearing about people who have learned something similar from the family,
especially when it's put a stick in your hand. It just solidifies that a 'stick
is a stick' no matter where you travel.

Sounds like you and I have walked a few of the same roads in our quest for
martial knowledge, and it's nice to meet a comrade. I look forward to chatting
with you more.

Glen



--- On Thu, 5/22/08, perry gamsby <perrygamsby999@...> wrote:

> From: perry gamsby <perrygamsby999@...>
> Subject: Re: [non-traditional_stickfighting] Re: Welcome, Innervortex
> To: non-traditional_stickfighting@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Thursday, May 22, 2008, 11:56 PM
> Glen, excellent stuff and so good to watch it in
> motion rather than a series of still photos.  I was
> taught a similar basic stance and grip and some of the
> same moves by my father and grandfather, neither were
> Irish but Geordies and both very practical men and
> experienced soldiers.
>
> You are doing your ancestors proud. As one who was
> taught English styles of self defence, then did the
> usual journey to the Orient for 'answers', I
> eventually came back to my roots where I found
> everything and more that I need.
>
> Anyway, great work and thanks for some new moves that
> are now in the toolbox!  I think you are doing magic
> things given the reputation the Irish (and Canadians)
> have for being such peace loving nancy boys! Cheers
> Perry, pushing his luck in the Aussie tradition! (We
> don't take the mickey unless we respect you.  If
> we're
> polite, we usually think you suck! It's our
> Anglo-Celtic convict past I guess)
>
>
> --- Glen Doyle <uisceman@...> wrote:
>
> > Nice stuff! :)
> >
> > Sincerely,
> >
> > Glen Doyle
> > Cead Bua Fighting Faction
> > www.fightingfaction.com
> >
> > Irish Stick Fighting on YouTube
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpIIjrGuNtQ
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xEQv4guwcA4
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_blPpVxaLAs
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d43qH9w5Dow
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDhDn8Y1xYg
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htxSmrJHnVk
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=REvuqH8cRJc
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6p4Jp1he1uM
> >
> >
> >

Glen, excellent stuff and so good to watch it in
motion rather than a series of still photos.  I was
taught a similar basic stance and grip and some of the
same moves by my father and grandfather, neither were
Irish but Geordies and both very practical men and
experienced soldiers.

You are doing your ancestors proud. As one who was
taught English styles of self defence, then did the
usual journey to the Orient for 'answers', I
eventually came back to my roots where I found
everything and more that I need.

Anyway, great work and thanks for some new moves that
are now in the toolbox!  I think you are doing magic
things given the reputation the Irish (and Canadians)
have for being such peace loving nancy boys! Cheers
Perry, pushing his luck in the Aussie tradition! (We
don't take the mickey unless we respect you.  If we're
polite, we usually think you suck! It's our
Anglo-Celtic convict past I guess)


--- Glen Doyle <uisceman@...> wrote:

> Nice stuff! :)
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Glen Doyle
> Cead Bua Fighting Faction
> www.fightingfaction.com
>
> Irish Stick Fighting on YouTube
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpIIjrGuNtQ
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xEQv4guwcA4
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_blPpVxaLAs
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d43qH9w5Dow
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDhDn8Y1xYg
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htxSmrJHnVk
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=REvuqH8cRJc
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6p4Jp1he1uM
>
>
>

Nice stuff! :)

Sincerely,

Glen Doyle
Cead Bua Fighting Faction
www.fightingfaction.com

Irish Stick Fighting on YouTube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpIIjrGuNtQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xEQv4guwcA4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_blPpVxaLAs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d43qH9w5Dow
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDhDn8Y1xYg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htxSmrJHnVk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=REvuqH8cRJc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6p4Jp1he1uM


--- On Tue, 5/13/08, innervortex <InnerVortex@...> wrote:

> From: innervortex <InnerVortex@...>
> Subject: [non-traditional_stickfighting] Re: Welcome, Innervortex
> To: non-traditional_stickfighting@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Tuesday, May 13, 2008, 12:33 PM
> hi, im loving jogo do pau, i started practicing with nuno
> russo but
> then i changed working place and wasnt able to go there all
> the time.
> but one week later i found out that luis was starting to
> teach jdp
> just close to were i work, i was able to train with him,
> alone for
> some months and it was great, but since no one else showed,
> it as
> doomed to end, now i go to nuno russo class all the time i
> can,
> unfortunatly most times cant go more than one day a week.
> hey now ill stop talking about me, here are some videos i
> made and
> wanted to show:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CnTp5VWHFvA
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHBX7sZOY7o
> its from a free training with people that didnt practice
> for years,
> organized by Nuno Russo, Luis was there too as you can see.
> hope you like it, i hope i can make more in the future.
>
> cheers!
>
> --- In non-traditional_stickfighting@yahoogroups.com,
> "Dirk E. Folmer"
> <defolmer@...> wrote:
> >
> > Especially so! With the Spam activity over on the JdP
> site, many have
> > dropped, or, nearly dropped it...which is a shame.
> >
> > We have a couple of practitioners here, but, no full
> time students.
> > It must have been a thrill to study w/ Mestre Russo!
> Was Luis there?
> >
> > I am always blown way by the power of JdP blows.
> >
> > I have not yet gone on to Great Stick w/ my group
> here, but
> > they are coming along...
> >
> > Glad your here,
> >
> > Dirk,
> >
> > Your Mod
> >

hi, im loving jogo do pau, i started practicing with nuno russo but
then i changed working place and wasnt able to go there all the time.
but one week later i found out that luis was starting to teach jdp
just close to were i work, i was able to train with him, alone for
some months and it was great, but since no one else showed, it as
doomed to end, now i go to nuno russo class all the time i can,
unfortunatly most times cant go more than one day a week.
hey now ill stop talking about me, here are some videos i made and
wanted to show:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CnTp5VWHFvA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHBX7sZOY7o
its from a free training with people that didnt practice for years,
organized by Nuno Russo, Luis was there too as you can see.
hope you like it, i hope i can make more in the future.

cheers!

--- In non-traditional_stickfighting@yahoogroups.com, "Dirk E. Folmer"
<defolmer@...> wrote:
>
> Especially so! With the Spam activity over on the JdP site, many have
> dropped, or, nearly dropped it...which is a shame.
>
> We have a couple of practitioners here, but, no full time students.
> It must have been a thrill to study w/ Mestre Russo! Was Luis there?
>
> I am always blown way by the power of JdP blows.
>
> I have not yet gone on to Great Stick w/ my group here, but
> they are coming along...
>
> Glad your here,
>
> Dirk,
>
> Your Mod
>

Especially so! With the Spam activity over on the JdP site, many have
dropped, or, nearly dropped it...which is a shame.

We have a couple of practitioners here, but, no full time students.
It must have been a thrill to study w/ Mestre Russo! Was Luis there?

I am always blown way by the power of JdP blows.

I have not yet gone on to Great Stick w/ my group here, but
they are coming along...

Glad your here,

Dirk,

Your Mod

Well said!

No one way is correct.

Seek YOUR way...i.e. they way that fits YOU..

Whatever that may be...

--- In non-traditional_stickfighting@yahoogroups.com, "Marc Adkins"
<winkleried@...> wrote:
>
> I don't know about being anti traditional but there defiantely is a
> point where both can get in the way of having an effective stick
> system.
> Some mono traditionalists seem to have the opinion that this is th
> way it has always been and this is all one needs to know.
> now on the non traditional end if ya dilute the core concepts too
> much it is my opinion that you can eliminate what makes a particular
> style so bleeping effective.
>
> Then of course you have the monoegomanics who feed off one or the
> other viewpoints and crete an atmosphere where nobody is learning
> anythng.
>
> In short it all boils down to what makes YOU as a person seek as a
> student of the stick.
>
> Marc Adkins
>
>
> --- In non-traditional_stickfighting@yahoogroups.com, "Dirk E.
> Folmer" <defolmer@> wrote:
> >
> > Gentlies and ladlemen...
> >
> > I have seen a disturbing trend of late...
> >
> > We are Non-Trad, this does not mean
> > ANTI trad...I simply wish a venue to
> > for us to allow those who follow
> > a modern disciple(s) to voice their
> > opinions w/o the censure from
> > traditional mono stylists...
> >
> > I wish to state that this has NOT
> > happened here, and, THANKYOU.
> >
> > What I was wondering was: ARE there
> > people here that are ANTI-tradition?
> > That is OK, I may have just missed
> > that segment of the population...
> > it's fine, NT is the focus,
> > I just will not allow flaming...
> > just so we're clear
> >
> >
> > Dirk,
> >
> > Your Mod
> >
>

I don't know about being anti traditional but there defiantely is a
point where both can get in the way of having an effective stick
system.
Some mono traditionalists seem to have the opinion that this is th
way it has always been and this is all one needs to know.
now on the non traditional end if ya dilute the core concepts too
much it is my opinion that you can eliminate what makes a particular
style so bleeping effective.

Then of course you have the monoegomanics who feed off one or the
other viewpoints and crete an atmosphere where nobody is learning
anythng.

In short it all boils down to what makes YOU as a person seek as a
student of the stick.

Marc Adkins


--- In non-traditional_stickfighting@yahoogroups.com, "Dirk E.
Folmer" <defolmer@...> wrote:
>
> Gentlies and ladlemen...
>
> I have seen a disturbing trend of late...
>
> We are Non-Trad, this does not mean
> ANTI trad...I simply wish a venue to
> for us to allow those who follow
> a modern disciple(s) to voice their
> opinions w/o the censure from
> traditional mono stylists...
>
> I wish to state that this has NOT
> happened here, and, THANKYOU.
>
> What I was wondering was: ARE there
> people here that are ANTI-tradition?
> That is OK, I may have just missed
> that segment of the population...
> it's fine, NT is the focus,
> I just will not allow flaming...
> just so we're clear
>
>
> Dirk,
>
> Your Mod
>

Looking forward as well...
--- In non-traditional_stickfighting@yahoogroups.com, "Dirk E. Folmer"
<defolmer@...>
wrote:
>
> I will be posting Pix and an excerpt from the
> book later today. Last pix died somewhere in
> the dark depths of cyberspace. I will look
> forward to your responses.
>
> Dirk
>