i actually never practiced capoeira, but its very well known around
here, since the connections of brazil and portugal..

it does have a very cultural background, as i was told, slaves
practiced it to train them selfs some kind of fighting art but without
making it look like a martial art to they "owners".

So, you don't go to capoeira to practice a effective martial art, you
go for the culture happy and joyfully groove and, yes, athletics,
loots of it!(that's not for me too but i understand and like it.)

of course there are extremes,and they did practice it to use it in
real live eventually.

ive seen some capoeira stickfighting stuff but was just a
choreographed dance, i would love to try to mix it with jogo do pau,
but their goals are so different that i find it hard to realize, but
would love to try!


--- In non-traditional_stickfighting@yahoogroups.com, perry gamsby
<perrygamsby999@...> wrote:
>
> I would like to see some street effective Capoeria, all the stuff we
have here in Sydney is for the sandal wearers and fruit juice
drinkers, lots of music and leaping around and not much else. I
sparred several of them and just crashed in, took the hit such as it
was and duffed them up. I have seen footage of some guys in Brazil I
think might not have let that happen but what we have here appeals to
the athletic arty farty types wanting something esoteric and exotic
that they can pretend teaches them self defence.
>
> I can't believe that the art isn't intended to be effective for
real, otherwise why would it have been developed? Unless it was
developed as a form of exercise or entertainment and somebody thought,
hey, this might make a system of self defence! I would appreciate some
feedback and other points of view because as I said, all the Capoeria
I have seen has been fun, definitely for the fit and great to watch
but not what I would call street effective. Cheers Perry
>
> --- On Fri, 6/13/08, ELLIS <ellischasemichael@...> wrote:
>
> > From: ELLIS <ellischasemichael@...>
> > Subject: [non-traditional_stickfighting] Re: Love the JDP stuff
> > To: non-traditional_stickfighting@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Friday, June 13, 2008, 1:20 PM
> > Thanks for the response, and by the way, your English is
> > great (MUCH
> > better than my Portuguese!). I really do love the fluidness
> > of your
> > art, as well as the concept of using your economy of motion
> > in order
> > to set up your next move. It's very similar to Capoeira
> > in that way.
> > I can't wait to see more, and to try blending it with
> > my
> > Capoeira "play." Should make a beautiful outcome,
> > not to mention a
> > deadly one. --Ellis
> >
> >
> > --- In non-traditional_stickfighting@yahoogroups.com,
> > "innervortex"
> > <InnerVortex@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi, capoeira is a very beautiful martial art and lots
> > of people
> > > practice it here in portugal too.
> > > There are more jogo do pau videos here:
> > > http://www.youtube.com/group/jogodopau
> > > and i will add more as soon as they show up.
> > > As you can see, yes, jogo do pau is very fluid, but
> > that only
> > happens
> > > when the blocks are well done.
> > > Ill try to explain in my terrible English.
> > > When you block, you use the bouncing of your stick to
> > start a new
> > > attack, thats why it is very fluid, and in
> > demonstrations and semi
> > > controlled sparing you can play for long time, just
> > like that, using
> > > the bouncing and striking back with lots of speed.
> > > Of course in real life or competitions that happens a
> > few times, or
> > > lasts only a few seconds until some one makes a
> > mistake or one of
> > them
> > > surprises the other.
> > > What i want to say is that this fluidity comes from
> > strong contact
> > and
> > > reaction, and well use and direction of energy in
> > motion.
> > > hope it could help,
> > > im also doing a website about jogo do pau, but its
> > mainly in
> > > portuguese so it might not help much, here:
> > jogodopauportugues.com
> > > Cheers!
> > >
> > > --- In non-traditional_stickfighting@yahoogroups.com,
> > "ELLIS"
> > > <ellischasemichael@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > You know, the more I see the JDP stuff, the more
> > I like it. I
> > really am
> > > > lovin' the long stick in JDP, mainly. I study
> > Capoeira (a
> > brizilian
> > > > martial art) which incorprates short stick/club
> > play in it. The
> > Doyle
> > > > style bata stuff fits like a glove for the medium
> > stick/cane. And
> > I
> > > > really think the long stick stuff would
> > incorprate well into my
> > > > capoeira, as well. See, Capoeira is a art that is
> > always in
> > motion.
> > > > there are no static postions at all, your always
> > moving and I
> > think
> > > > that would translate well into the JDP stick play
> > (from what I've
> > seen
> > > > of it), as it seems to always be in motion as
> > well. I like how,
> > to
> > > > generate more power, you slide along the lenght
> > of the stick
> > which
> > > > would probley help whith the long stick in closer
> > quarters as
> > well. I
> > > > was wandering if someone could elaborate a bit on
> > JDP as a whole,
> > as I
> > > > don't know much about it. Love the clips,
> > keep 'em coming.--Ellis
> > > >
> > >
>