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Re: [Noah Steere] Mishin?

Evgeny (Eugene in Russian) Mishin earned his IFBB pro card in 2002 by winning the heavyweight class at the European Amateur Championships.  He competed as a pro the following year at the Night of Champions and did not place.  He didn't compete in 2004 and 2005 but came back to do four contests in 2006: the Ironman Pro Invitational, the San Francisco Pro Invitational, the Colorado Pro and the New York Pro.  Unfortunately, he didn't place in any of them.
 
I have to agree with the vast majority of Tyranez's "rant," especially the part regarding the lack of candor about  bodybuilders' heights, weights and bodyfat percentages.  Some of these statistics are laughable.
 
On Evgeny's bodyspace on bodybuilder.com, which he updated a little over a month ago, he claimed to be 6'2" (1.88 m.), 300 lbs. (136.4 kg.) at a 6% bodyfat level.
 
http://bodyspace.bodybuilding.com/Evgeny/
 
At Evgeny's official Web site, he claims to be 6'2" and 290 lbs. in contest shape and 350 lbs. off-season.
 
 
I have the DVD of the 2006 Ironman Pro Invitational Press Conference and Weigh-ins where each of the competitors was weighed in by Lonnie Teper.  Evgeny weighed in at only 280 lbs., and he wasn't even the heaviest man in the contest -- that distinction went to Martin Kjellstrom of Sweden at 290 lbs.  Keep in mind that these weren't weigh-ins where the bodybuilders were in their posing suits.  The bodybuilders could weigh in with their shoes on, sweat cloths, sweaters and, in fact, almost anything else they wanted to wear, as Kai Greene proved with multiple shirts, sweaters and what have you.  So, with the bigger guys with proportionately larger and heavier clothing, you should probably deduct anywhere from three to seven pounds from the weigh-in weight.
 
As for Evgeny's purported 350-pound bodyweight off-season, I would have to see it to believe it and have the weight verified by an independent and disinterested source.  If true, that is an enormous amount of weight to lose to get into contest shape.  Most of it would undoubtedly be fat, which of course is not healthy for anyone to be carrying on one's body for any length of time.
 
I believe that only a bodybuilder who is over six feet tall that is genetically predisposed to carry a large proportion of weight in his legs would be likely to be able to compete at 300 lbs. or more with the low bodyfat percentages that are required to win these days.  Unfortunately, the vast majority of guys who are over six feet tall have a hard time developing their legs to rival their shorter-limbed competitors. - Thor


Tyranez Khan <tyranez@...> wrote:
Never heard of him.

I feel a “rant” coming on, here it goes:

Keep in mind a lot of guys stats are BS. What is his
bodyfat% at 350 pounds?

That and I think it is possible for some guys to just
have too much weight on their frame, and no longer
look functional. Not beauty to me.

Noah was getting close to this when he was 347 pounds,
at 6’6”, and only 20 pounds away from contest shape.

He held this weight for over 6 months, and it was one
of the most uncomfortable things in his life, and why
he decided to retire from active competition.

These days he still stays lean, lean enough to see his
abbs, maybe 25-30 pounds over contest shape, and stays
right around 310-320 pounds.

He likes the feeling of being a jacked, lean, 320
pound dude, but just cannot handle being a 350 pound
ripped monster.

I personally think Noah looked fantastic at only 283
and 300 pounds on stage in contest shape. That is
equivalent to 222 and 235 on stage for a 6’0” guy.

I am not gay (completely cool with it if you are), but
I still can, and do appreciate the beauty of a well
developed male physique. I can look at it and say;
“impressive, I would love to look like that”. For me
there is still an upper limit to how much muscle I
think looks good, and that would be around 225 in
contest shape, just under 4% bodyfat, for a guy who is
6’0” even.

No reason to go bigger than that for your relative
height. BTW that would be around 10-20 pounds heavier
in the offseason, while still maintaining abbs.

We have gotten so jaded with seeing gigantic men in
magazines who are so thick they are sacrificing
standards of function to step on stage and win, their
stats are exaggerated too, and it just does not look
ideal any more.

How did it get to the point that a 235-245 offseason
man at 6ft would now sound “small”, and we would
expect the taller guys to weigh 350 pounds?

Noah said that at 350 (actually 347) “everything
hurt”.

Now if a 6’2” guy really has this much muscle, on a 4”
shorter frame, then I would imagine he is really
hurting. Or he is exaggerating about the weight,
including the weight of offseason bodyfat, over the
point of losing his abbs, or all of the above. It
“ain’t easy” being that big.

I am not talking about any drugs, any chemicals,
whatever it takes, even if (hypothetically) you had a
natural 6’2”and 350, that is still too much muscle on
his relative frame.

The sheer weight alone has to be staggering on his
heart, and even harder than if he was an obese 350
pounds. Your body has to transport more blood through
all that muscle than it would an equal amount of fat!

Some of the shorter Pros (like 5’7” – 5’10”) who are
over 270 on stage (or they claim, a lot of them are
exaggerated), and 300 offseason, actually have trouble
with body parts going numb.

Jay Cutler is a good example of this. If you ever see
him in the audience at a contest, he has his arms
resting on the back of the two chairs next to him.
This is more comfortable for him because his arms are
so thick.

Too me that is not beauty. Not Ideal physique. IMHO
guys back in the 1970 and early 1980s had a closer to
ideal physique. Today not too many drugs would be
needed to assist in producing such, and the lower
weight, 225 at 6’0” (really more like 235-240
pre-contest, if he stays lean).

If you scale up 225 at 6’0”, to lets say 7 foot, then
you would, in that rare circumstance, have to weigh
350-360 pounds on stage.
Now all that muscle would be distributed on
a much larger frame, the heart would be proportionally
larger, but with larger chambers as well (not a
dysfunctional enlarged heart), and much longer veins
to support that kind of muscle mass.

Besides this it would look better than 350+ on a 6’2”
frame.

So Noah is 6’6”, his height equivalent to 225 at 6’
would be about 286 pounds. And that is fine. Right
about where he was on stage. Or at least in the same
range, give or take 5%.

His experiment with going to a size large enough to
compete at 325 on stage was too thick. He was
uncomfortable wit this size, and since then went back
down to where he feels good again. He said 30 pounds
is a lot more than people realize.

Most pros who gain “30 pounds” really only put on 10,
since they are never actually weighed, they can say
whatever they want, and that 10 pounds creates an
illusion of being even more than it is because of
where it is placed on their body.

Just as an example of how much this jades peoples view
of how big a bodybuilder really is, most people who
meet Noah in person, as he is at the expos every year,
say that he is about 6’10” and 400 pounds! He big, but
he is not THAT big. His arms at their largest were
23.75” around, and when people meet him they think
they are 26+ inches around.

This is all to do with the exaggerations of other
bodybuilder’s stats throwing off the perspective of
fans and aspiring bodybuilders, so now that they see a
truly monstrous Person like Noah, their mind has to
add on 4” and 60 pounds, and 2” to the arms just to
make sense of things.

Ok, end of rant.

--- Denis <seanweiss2002@yahoo.it> wrote:

> What About Evgeny Mish, 6'2'' and 350 lbs Off-Season
> a beast!
>
>

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Never heard of him. I feel a “rant” coming on, here it goes: Keep in mind a lot of guys stats are BS. What is his bodyfat% at 350 pounds? That and I think...
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Any pix of offseason Evgeny somewhere? All the best. Richard...
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Evgeny (Eugene in Russian) Mishin earned his IFBB pro card in 2002 by winning the heavyweight class at the European Amateur Championships. He competed as a...
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Tyranez, That was a good post. I really like your honesty and your view point on this. And I think you are 100% correct. Josh Tyranez Khan <tyranez@...>...
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