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#2565

From: "Janine McDonell" <janinemc@...>
Date: Fri Feb 1, 2008 9:26 am
Subject: RE: ??SPAM?? Update on parent as coaches situation

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Hi Annie

Vote!! What does that mean?? I have never been witness to this Club voting on anything in the 5 years I’ve been with them. It is the same people who decide on ‘things’. This decision, and the new President, are not popular at all. My family are very upset about this and other things she is doing and planning. The committee are all scared of her wrath but complain behind her back – I have signed up today with another more friendly supportive club as I will not waste my days with such people and do not want my daughter witness to such carry on. We are now happy and plan to get on with what we enjoy the most – just playing netball with our friends.

From: netballcoaching@yahoogroups.com [mailto:netballcoaching@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Anita Kelly
Sent: Thursday, 31 January 2008 9:40 PM
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Subject: Re: ??SPAM?? [netballcoaching] Update on parent as coaches situation

Hi Janine

Surely this is a policy issue too. So what does the rest of the committee think? WIll it be voted on?

Annie

On 31/01/2008, at 12:30 PM, Janine McDonell wrote:

Hi all

For those of you who are interested – and thank you all for your input, it was appreciated – there has been an update with the ‘parents as coaches’ situation within my Club. I wrote to my President stating my concerns with her bringing in such a policy and noted that this should be a generic coaching problem and not just a parent coach problem. I requested to her that if she is to pursue such a policy for our Club could she please let families know by Club sign on day so we know what we are dealing with. Well Club sign-on day is this Sunday and I have just received a response which basically says (in a round-a-bout way) that there will be no such policy (good) BUT she then went on to say it is up to the Club as to who coaches what team and such a decision will not be made until AFTER sign on day. She will not say to me whether I can coach my daughter this season. For you info.

Janine

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#2564

From: Anita Kelly <akelly@...>
Date: Thu Jan 31, 2008 11:40 am
Subject: Re: ??SPAM?? Update on parent as coaches situation

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Hi Janine

Surely this is a policy issue too. So what does the rest of the committee think? WIll it be voted on?

Annie

On 31/01/2008, at 12:30 PM, Janine McDonell wrote:

Hi all

For those of you who are interested � and thank you all for your input, it was appreciated � there has been an update with the �parents as coaches� situation within my Club. I wrote to my President stating my concerns with her bringing in such a policy and noted that this should be a generic coaching problem and not just a parent coach problem. I requested to her that if she is to pursue such a policy for our Club could she please let families know by Club sign on day so we know what we are dealing with. Well Club sign-on day is this Sunday and I have just received a response which basically says (in a round-a-bout way) that there will be no such policy (good) BUT she then went on to say it is up to the Club as to who coaches what team and such a decision will not be made until AFTER sign on day. She will not say to me whether I can coach my daughter this season. For you info.

Janine

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#2563

From: "Janine McDonell" <janinemc@...>
Date: Thu Jan 31, 2008 1:30 am
Subject: Update on parent as coaches situation

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Hi all

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#2562

From: Sindi B <smrbar@...>
Date: Sat Jan 26, 2008 9:50 am
Subject: parents coaching daughters.

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Hi everyone, just putting my two cents in. It would be nice to be in a club that can make a ruling that parents can't coach there own team. We don't have that liberty. We take who we can get.I began coaching my 11yr olds team as she had already sat out a season (Indoor netball) being short players and a coach. The next season I took on my 7yr olds under 9's to stop that team from falling under as their coach had had a rough year and had lost interest. Then three of ours girls were too old and we either moved the whole 11's up to 13's and lost some players along the way or found more players for an older team. I now coach three Saturday games.
I guess my point is that sometimes you have to take the person willing to coach, be it a parent, teenager or outsider. My two regular assistants for training are a 13 year old who's sister plays, and a friend of mine who chases the kids in her wheelchair. I am not the most competitive coach if you havn't guessed but my teams, win or loose have a smile on there face at the end of the game. It's not parents coaching, it's about the way they coach.

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#2561

From: Madelein Grieb <madeleingrieb@...>
Date: Wed Jan 23, 2008 8:11 am
Subject: Re: parents coaching daughters

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Shirley Hewitt <shirleyhewitt@...> wrote:

Hi Janine,

I agree with all the other comments in support of mothers coaching their own daughters and also the option of speaking with club officials, attending a meeting or whatever it takes. Your club, it seems, is overreacting and penalising all because of the actions of ONE person?

Be very tactful,present a good argument and see if you can get some support from the other parents.

Good luck. let us know what the outcome is.

Shirley

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From: Janine McDonell

To: netballcoaching@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, January 21, 2008 4:33 PM

Subject: [netballcoaching] parents coaching daughters

Hi all

Just thought I�d throw this one out to you all for comment. My Club�s new President wants to bring in a rule that no parent can coach their child. She says this is because one parent in the Club is showing favouratism towards their child. She also believes that some kids work better under a coach other than their parent. I have been coaching my daughter for 4 years (I have been involved in netball for 36 years, played A grade all my life, Rep and State league at Nationals and are currently studying for my Level 2 coach accreditation). My daughter is 12yo and is playing 3^rd division � she enjoys me as her coach and I love to coach her and her friends � it is a family thing. I am quite upset about this ruling and feel that why should we be discriminated against when one person isn�t doing the right thing. The Club is a social club and we have approx 6 mothers coaching their daughters. I was wondering if anyone had any views on this situation.

Janine

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#2560

From: "Shirley Hewitt" <shirleyhewitt@...>
Date: Tue Jan 22, 2008 4:28 am
Subject: Re: parents coaching daughters

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Hi Janine,

I agree with all the other comments in support of mothers coaching their own daughters and also the option of speaking with club officials, attending a meeting or whatever it takes. Your club, it seems, is overreacting and penalising all because of the actions of ONE person?

Be very tactful,present a good argument and see if you can get some support from the other parents.

Good luck. let us know what the outcome is.

Shirley

----- Original Message -----

From: Janine McDonell

To: netballcoaching@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, January 21, 2008 4:33 PM

Subject: [netballcoaching] parents coaching daughters

Hi all

Just thought I�d throw this one out to you all for comment. My Club�s new President wants to bring in a rule that no parent can coach their child. She says this is because one parent in the Club is showing favouratism towards their child. She also believes that some kids work better under a coach other than their parent. I have been coaching my daughter for 4 years (I have been involved in netball for 36 years, played A grade all my life, Rep and State league at Nationals and are currently studying for my Level 2 coach accreditation). My daughter is 12yo and is playing 3^rd division � she enjoys me as her coach and I love to coach her and her friends � it is a family thing. I am quite upset about this ruling and feel that why should we be discriminated against when one person isn�t doing the right thing. The Club is a social club and we have approx 6 mothers coaching their daughters. I was wondering if anyone had any views on this situation.

Janine

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#2559

From: Petrina Boylan <pyboy72@...>
Date: Tue Jan 22, 2008 3:43 am
Subject: Re: parents coaching daughters

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This is a dangerous area for anyone to tread because like people have observed clubs need coaches and parents usually only want to coach their own children. Some parents who coach do favour their own children, while others go the other way and do everything possible to avoid favouritism, often to the detriment of their child. And in some families, parents have difficulty knowing when to turn off netball coach mode.

I don't like the idea of parents coaching their own children. I'm Coaching Director of my club and I would love to say no to parents coaching their own children but when I ask for coaches most parents are only willing to work with their child. I don't care about favouritism because plenty of coaches favour players that they aren't related to (we've all seen horror rep teams where we know good players have been left out for coach favourites).

My club relies on our teenage players taking on coaching roles and most of them thrive in these roles - if I can put them with an appropriate group. The problem is when a parent only wants to coach their own child I have had to move a young coach from a group they've just started to have success with because one of their player's mums wants to coach. I've had 14 year olds coach 12 year olds because all our 11/U and 9/U had parents coaching.

In my club the younger coaches understand that they will get a maximum 4 seasons (2 years) with a team before I move then to another team. I think it is important for players to be exposed to lots of different coaches and personalities during their netball careers. Some player thrive under a new coach. With most of the teams I coach I also follow this 4 seasons, or less, policy. BUT with parents coaching their daughter's team I can't enforce this policy.

At the end of each season, when my teenage coaches beg me to let them continue with their current team I ask them these questions

1. Can you get any more out of your current team?

2. Do have more to teach that team?

3. Are you the best person to continue coaching that team?

Most of my coaches reluctantly realise when they've taken a team as far as they can take them. Because a lot of my coaches are just doing their accreditations they want new teams so that they can implement the things they've learned with a new team rather than trying to change things with their current teams.

When I explained the 4 season policy to one of the mums who coaches her response was "when her daughter has had enough of her coaching her she will stop", which is fine for her daughter but what about the other 8 girls in the team who have already out-grown what this coach has to offer in both skill development and match-play. I'm worried about this team missing out because a lot of them have already gone beyond what their coach can offer.

That's the main problem I have with parents coaching - it isn't just your daughter that you are coaching. If there is an option of an unrelated coach working with a team shouldn't the needs of all players in the team come before the needs of a parent?

So Janine, perhaps instead of your club saying no to parents coaching, they need to put some sort of policy into place that recognises that parents are a vital resource for clubs, but that also ensures that players are exposed to different coaches throughout their netball years, and that whenever it is possible teams are coached by people who can extend the team regardless of them being related to a player or not.

Janine McDonell <janinemc@...> wrote:

Hi all

Just thought I�d throw this one out to you all for comment. My Club�s new President wants to bring in a rule that no parent can coach their child. She says this is because one parent in the Club is showing favouratism towards their child. She also believes that some kids work better under a coach other than their parent. I have been coaching my daughter for 4 years (I have been involved in netball for 36 years, played A grade all my life, Rep and State league at Nationals and are currently studying for my Level 2 coach accreditation). My daughter is 12yo and is playing 3^rd division � she enjoys me as her coach and I love to coach her and her friends � it is a family thing. I am quite upset about this ruling and feel that why should we be discriminated against when one person isn�t doing the right thing. The Club is a social club and we have approx 6 mothers coaching their daughters. I was wondering if anyone had any views on this situation.

Janine

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#2558

From: "marniemaher" <marniemaher@...>
Date: Tue Jan 22, 2008 12:10 am
Subject: Re: parents coaching daughters

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Hi Janine,
I too Coach my daughter. Our club like most other clubs I think would
struggle to find coaches if it wasn't for mothers of the girls. I can
understand that yes some people just aren't meant to coach their own
daughters as they can't seem to seperate the 2. My daughters team had
another mother coach their team 2 years ago by a mother who found
this difficult. She ended up giving her own child the coaches award
which is not really the right thing to do. Find another award for
her. One thing I have found with our team is setting the ground rules
right from the start. I also let the parents vote each week on a
3,2,1 system on who they think was BOG. This way I can't be accused
of favouritism. Then the 2 girls with the highest points get the
trophies at the end of the season. I pick coaches award. Our team is
10/u this year.
I think you should all call a meeting and relay your concerns to the
president. Will she find it hard to get coaches????

Marnie--- In netballcoaching@yahoogroups.com, "Janine McDonell"
<janinemc@...> wrote:
>
> Hi all
>
>
>
> Just thought I'd throw this one out to you all for comment.  My
Club's new
> President wants to bring in a rule that no parent can coach their
child.
> She says this is because one parent in the Club is showing
favouratism
> towards their child.  She also believes that some kids work better
under a
> coach other than their parent.  I have been coaching my daughter
for 4 years
> (I have been involved in netball for 36 years, played A grade all
my life,
> Rep and State league at Nationals and are currently studying for my
Level 2
> coach accreditation).  My daughter is 12yo and is playing 3rd
division - she
> enjoys me as her coach and I love to coach her and her friends - it
is a
> family thing.  I am quite upset about this ruling and feel that why
should
> we be discriminated against when one person isn't doing the right
thing.
> The Club is a social club and we have approx 6 mothers coaching
their
> daughters.  I was wondering if anyone had any views on this
situation.
>
>
>
> Janine
>

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#2557

From: <bettwyer@...>
Date: Mon Jan 21, 2008 11:44 pm
Subject: RE: parents coaching daughters

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Hi Our club has a policy that mothers/fathers don't coach their own children.
ALso that a coach only has a team for 3 years.  I have coached my daughters over
the years and there are pros & cons.  But I think its better for all concerned
not to.
Our association also has the policy that you can't coach or manager your
daughters team.  THese policies are only for junior teams. I coach my adult
daughter at the moment but its so social that I'm not sure they listen to me
anyway. Just ask whens the next BBQ.
Some parents do favour their own but then most would disadvantage their own. 
When it comes to trophy time that is the hardest time to be fair.
--
Bette Wyer


---- joanne lacy <jlacy@...> wrote:
> I find coaching my two daughters quite exhausting sometimes, and wish that
> they could be coached be another.
>
> The thing is that l love coaching but l live 40 min from the centre so it
> benefits me that l coach them at the same time.
>
> Also our training nights are at different times for each age group so this
> is also a benefit.
>
> It is also hard for a parent to be involved and also watch your own if they
> play at the same time.
>
> I think coaches that are the parent of an child in their team understand
> that there cannot be favoritism.
>
> I know that our centre we have lots of coaches/ parents and know that there
> is no problem with this issue.
>
> Also l want to add that sometimes l feel that l am maybe to harsh on my own
> children as l don't want to give the opportunity for another parent to
> complain.
>
> joanne
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: netballcoaching@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:netballcoaching@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Janine McDonell
> Sent: Monday, 21 January 2008 5:33 PM
> To: netballcoaching@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [netballcoaching] parents coaching daughters
>
>
>
> Hi all
>
>
>
> Just thought I'd throw this one out to you all for comment.  My Club's new
> President wants to bring in a rule that no parent can coach their child.
> She says this is because one parent in the Club is showing favouratism
> towards their child.  She also believes that some kids work better under a
> coach other than their parent.  I have been coaching my daughter for 4 years
> (I have been involved in netball for 36 years, played A grade all my life,
> Rep and State league at Nationals and are currently studying for my Level 2
> coach accreditation).  My daughter is 12yo and is playing 3rd division - she
> enjoys me as her coach and I love to coach her and her friends - it is a
> family thing.  I am quite upset about this ruling and feel that why should
> we be discriminated against when one person isn't doing the right thing.
> The Club is a social club and we have approx 6 mothers coaching their
> daughters.  I was wondering if anyone had any views on this situation.
>
>
>
> Janine
>
>
>
>
>

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#2556

From: paula miranda <pgm63@...>
Date: Mon Jan 21, 2008 11:17 pm
Subject: RE: parents coaching daughters

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Yes an interesting discussion.
My family had their own netball association when I was growing up (aroung 1970'S) and I was taught by my mother who was an A Grade umpire and coach. Then when I progressed to Juniors (under 14) my father taught me extra skills, he was an A Grade Coach. I have now been coaching my daughter for three years, and my sister coached her daughter for 4 years and we have had no problems.
My sister and I both agree though there is a time when you have to let you daughter/s have different coaches when they are ready, I believe around the difficult age of 14 - 15.
I have explained to my daughter that I cannot be her coach forever and she needs to experience other coaches which in turn they will pass on their own skills to her.
I have had no bad experiences with any parents in relation to me coaching my daughter. I am fair when it comes to rostering the players time off as I always keep records and the players and parents can always look at it. (my daughter has always had equal time off)

So I agree mothers can teach their daughters netball!!!
Paula

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Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 21:41:10 +1000
Subject: RE: [netballcoaching] parents coaching daughters

Interesting discussion. Something similar was mentioned to me (as president of our club) in a very casual way that the new Junior A team had a mother/daughter coach/player situation � and that the daughter had never been coached by anyone other than her mother. This wasn�t a complaint at all, but just an observation � which got me thinking. I really believe that players in general should have different coaches every so often � as each coach, like players, will have their own strengths and players will have a more rounded development in the game. This would be why I wouldn�t want a mother coaching a junior team all the way through their netball career, the same with any coach. But I have no problem with parents coaching daughters � you guys are right � that�s where a lot of coaches start from.

I was a coach before I was a mother � and my daughter only started playing last year � and I had no desire to coach her � I like the time out to enjoy watching her.

J

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#2555

From: "Bev & Ropn Jones" <geosticklabels@...>
Date: Mon Jan 21, 2008 10:29 pm
Subject: Re: parents coaching daughters

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I had coached my daughter for about 5 years and decided that I didn't want to coach her one year. It was the best thing I had ever done. I feel that with some parent/daughter coaches it's not so much that we favour our daughters I tended to go the other way.

It wasn't until somebody else coached her and put her in a position I wouldn't have even considered (she actually excelled at it) that I decided that coaching ones daughter although can be fine in the early years, once they hit high school they really need to be like everyone else.

I still coach, but I don't coach either of my daughters, it has it's down side as I sometimes don't get to watch them play, but the positives definitely outway any negatives.

Bev Jones

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Sent: Monday, January 21, 2008 4:28 PM

Subject: Re: [netballcoaching] parents coaching daughters

This is quite a dilemma Janine. We've tried both - if you deny parents the opportunity to work with their children you finish up struggling to find coaches, if you allow parents to coach their children you will inevitably receive the occasional complaint. My suggestion is that there are strict guidelines for coaching - a club policy to cover court time for each player and deal with any complaints quickly and openly - and that parents, coaches and managers are aware of the policy. If you have a club Coaching Convenor, part of their portfolio should be to keep an eye on these sorts of things.

Personally I find it difficult to coach my own daughter, however I know many fine coaches who have done a marvellous job of coaching teams that included their daughters.

Sue Adlam

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From: Janine McDonell <janinemc@bigpond.net.au>
To: netballcoaching@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, 21 January, 2008 5:33:27 PM
Subject: [netballcoaching] parents coaching daughters

Hi all

Just thought I’d throw this one out to you all for comment. My Club’s new President wants to bring in a rule that no parent can coach their child. She says this is because one parent in the Club is showing favouratism towards their child. She also believes that some kids work better under a coach other than their parent. I have been coaching my daughter for 4 years (I have been involved in netball for 36 years, played A grade all my life, Rep and State league at Nationals and are currently studying for my Level 2 coach accreditation) . My daughter is 12yo and is playing 3^rd division – she enjoys me as her coach and I love to coach her and her friends – it is a family thing. I am quite upset about this ruling and feel that why should we be discriminated against when one person isn’t doing the right thing. The Club is a social club and we have approx 6 mothers coaching their daughters. I was wondering if anyone had any views on this situation.

Janine

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#2554

From: "Cheryl Harris" <caharris@...>
Date: Mon Jan 21, 2008 1:46 pm
Subject: RE: [netball coaching] parents coaching daughters

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I enjoyed coaching my daughter when she was in junior teams and am now currently coaching alongside her with a junior team, which has given me an opportunity to watch her grow and develop as a player and coach. But as has been mentioned it is important to be fair and beyond reproach as the other girls and parents see how your child is treated by you and it is often commented on if it is seen as favoritism. Coaches are required for teams and parents are often our only options. Last season our club held a coaches night where we looked at a code of conduct for parents/players/supporters, guidelines that someone had down loaded I think. We talked about how we operate at the beginning and end of games and it was interesting to chat with other coaches in our club. It was successful for those that attended and I think that it is a great way to bring up issues without pointing the finger at any one in particular.

Good luck with this issue as there is no easy answer

Regards Cheryl

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From: netballcoaching@yahoogroups.com [mailto:netballcoaching@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Janine McDonell
Sent: Monday, 21 January 2008 5:03 PM
To: netballcoaching@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [netballcoaching] parents coaching daughters

Hi all

Just thought I�d throw this one out to you all for comment. My Club�s new President wants to bring in a rule that no parent can coach their child. She says this is because one parent in the Club is showing favouratism towards their child. She also believes that some kids work better under a coach other than their parent. I have been coaching my daughter for 4 years (I have been involved in netball for 36 years, played A grade all my life, Rep and State league at Nationals and are currently studying for my Level 2 coach accreditation). My daughter is 12yo and is playing 3^rd division � she enjoys me as her coach and I love to coach her and her friends � it is a family thing. I am quite upset about this ruling and feel that why should we be discriminated against when one person isn�t doing the right thing. The Club is a social club and we have approx 6 mothers coaching their daughters. I was wondering if anyone had any views on this situation.

Janine

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#2553

From: "Michelle Roberts" <mickey@...>
Date: Mon Jan 21, 2008 11:41 am
Subject: RE: parents coaching daughters

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Interesting discussion. Something similar was mentioned to me (as president of our club) in a very casual way that the new Junior A team had a mother/daughter coach/player situation – and that the daughter had never been coached by anyone other than her mother. This wasn’t a complaint at all, but just an observation – which got me thinking. I really believe that players in general should have different coaches every so often – as each coach, like players, will have their own strengths and players will have a more rounded development in the game. This would be why I wouldn’t want a mother coaching a junior team all the way through their netball career, the same with any coach. But I have no problem with parents coaching daughters – you guys are right – that’s where a lot of coaches start from.

I was a coach before I was a mother – and my daughter only started playing last year – and I had no desire to coach her – I like the time out to enjoy watching her.

Michelle R

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#2552

From: vikki Merritt <tor216@...>
Date: Mon Jan 21, 2008 10:23 am
Subject: RE: parents coaching daughters

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I think is is wrong to let one persons actions impact on the enjoyment of others. I have been coaching netball for over 20 years and coach my three daughters, 16s, 14s and 11s. I enjoy the opportunity to spend time with my girls however i am not blind to their weaknesses or their strengths. I beleive the key to coaching your children in any sport is to try and separate 'mum' from 'coach' . this is not always easy to do and as a backup plan it is important that you have other parents you trust who will be open and willing to tell you if you are steppign over the linve with your children. I think some parents should not coach their children because they are to bias however there are just as many who shouldnt coach due to being to hard on their own. balance of any kind is always hard, but as long as you try to be open minded and fair will all your players you should be fine. Case in point, in my Div 1 team that my 16 year old daughter plays in, i have 4 players who are acadamy players, my daughter is not one of them, she is a good player but doesnt have the skill, determination or drive that the others do. I was the one who put the girls names forward and i would have loved to have been able to put my daughters forward but that would have done her a disservice. Other players know who is good and who isnt, a coach who promotes her own daughter/s when they do not possess the skill, is setting her up to fail and to be victimised by her peers. I feel sorry for players who this happens to. Best of luck with your coaching, parents, lets hope sane minds preside.

Vikki

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From: janinemc@...
Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 16:33:27 +1000
Subject: [netballcoaching] parents coaching daughters

Hi all

Just thought I�d throw this one out to you all for comment. My Club�s new President wants to bring in a rule that no parent can coach their child. She says this is because one parent in the Club is showing favouratism towards their child. She also believes that some kids work better under a coach other than their parent. I have been coaching my daughter for 4 years (I have been involved in netball for 36 years, played A grade all my life, Rep and State league at Nationals and are currently studying for my Level 2 coach accreditation). My daughter is 12yo and is playing 3^rd division � she enjoys me as her coach and I love to coach her and her friends � it is a family thing. I am quite upset about this ruling and feel that why should we be discriminated against when one person isn�t doing the right thing. The Club is a social club and we have approx 6 mothers coaching their daughters. I was wondering if anyone had any views on this situation.

Janine

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#2551

From: "joanne lacy" <jlacy@...>
Date: Mon Jan 21, 2008 9:44 am
Subject: RE: parents coaching daughters

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I find coaching my two daughters quite exhausting sometimes, and wish that they could be coached be another.

The thing is that l love coaching but l live 40 min from the centre so it benefits me that l coach them at the same time.

Also our training nights are at different times for each age group so this is also a benefit.

It is also hard for a parent to be involved and also watch your own if they play at the same time.

I think coaches that are the parent of an child in their team understand that there cannot be favoritism.

I know that our centre we have lots of coaches/ parents and know that there is no problem with this issue.

Also l want to add that sometimes l feel that l am maybe to harsh on my own children as l don’t want to give the opportunity for another parent to complain.

joanne

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From: netballcoaching@yahoogroups.com [mailto:netballcoaching@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Janine McDonell
Sent: Monday, 21 January 2008 5:33 PM
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Subject: [netballcoaching] parents coaching daughters

Hi all

Just thought I’d throw this one out to you all for comment. My Club’s new President wants to bring in a rule that no parent can coach their child. She says this is because one parent in the Club is showing favouratism towards their child. She also believes that some kids work better under a coach other than their parent. I have been coaching my daughter for 4 years (I have been involved in netball for 36 years, played A grade all my life, Rep and State league at Nationals and are currently studying for my Level 2 coach accreditation). My daughter is 12yo and is playing 3^rd division – she enjoys me as her coach and I love to coach her and her friends – it is a family thing. I am quite upset about this ruling and feel that why should we be discriminated against when one person isn’t doing the right thing. The Club is a social club and we have approx 6 mothers coaching their daughters. I was wondering if anyone had any views on this situation.

Janine

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#2550

From: suesumsion <suesumsion@...>
Date: Mon Jan 21, 2008 8:49 am
Subject: Re: parents coaching daughters

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Hi Janine, I have coached both of my daughters over the years, and  I am
currently coaching my 12 y o in Sub Juniors, I myself, makes sure that i don't
show favouritism to my daughter, I don't know how that person in you club can
live with herself, and mess it up for the rest of us, genuine coaches who care.
Your club should have a coaches code of conduct, that can be given to this coach
and they need to follow by it and also a grievance procedure to speak with the
coach so that this can be dealt with discretely.
Why is it some coaches just muck it up for the rest of us
Good luck I'm on your side
Sue
Hope Valley Netball Club---- Janine McDonell <janinemc@...> wrote:
> Hi all
>
>
>
> Just thought I'd throw this one out to you all for comment.  My Club's new
> President wants to bring in a rule that no parent can coach their child.
> She says this is because one parent in the Club is showing favouratism
> towards their child.  She also believes that some kids work better under a
> coach other than their parent.  I have been coaching my daughter for 4 years
> (I have been involved in netball for 36 years, played A grade all my life,
> Rep and State league at Nationals and are currently studying for my Level 2
> coach accreditation).  My daughter is 12yo and is playing 3rd division - she
> enjoys me as her coach and I love to coach her and her friends - it is a
> family thing.  I am quite upset about this ruling and feel that why should
> we be discriminated against when one person isn't doing the right thing.
> The Club is a social club and we have approx 6 mothers coaching their
> daughters.  I was wondering if anyone had any views on this situation.
>
>
>
> Janine
>
>
>

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#2549

From: trish Mcinally <trishmac_7@...>
Date: Mon Jan 21, 2008 7:28 am
Subject: RE: parents coaching daughters

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Hello Janine

It is a hard rule to make considering a lot of parents only coach because there children play. They want to be involved in their child's activities. So you may loose teams over this as their will be no coach to coach them. I would suggest that if a parent is favouring their child then what is wrong with speaking to that parent in a rational and approachable way. Another way would be to have an assistant with her.

Anyway we do not have that ruling for club, but where possible we don't like parent to coach their children at rep level. But then again everything has to be taken on its' merit.

I think more discussion is warranted with the president. Go to the next delegate meeting, I'm sure you are not the only person who is annoyed.

Regards

Tricia

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Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 16:33:27 +1000
Subject: [netballcoaching] parents coaching daughters

Hi all

Just thought I�d throw this one out to you all for comment. My Club�s new President wants to bring in a rule that no parent can coach their child. She says this is because one parent in the Club is showing favouratism towards their child. She also believes that some kids work better under a coach other than their parent. I have been coaching my daughter for 4 years (I have been involved in netball for 36 years, played A grade all my life, Rep and State league at Nationals and are currently studying for my Level 2 coach accreditation). My daughter is 12yo and is playing 3^rd division � she enjoys me as her coach and I love to coach her and her friends � it is a family thing. I am quite upset about this ruling and feel that why should we be discriminated against when one person isn�t doing the right thing. The Club is a social club and we have approx 6 mothers coaching their daughters. I was wondering if anyone had any views on this situation.

Janine

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#2548

From: Sue Adlam <sue_adlam@...>
Date: Mon Jan 21, 2008 7:28 am
Subject: Re: parents coaching daughters

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This is quite a dilemma Janine. We've tried both - if you deny parents the opportunity to work with their children you finish up struggling to find coaches, if you allow parents to coach their children you will inevitably receive the occasional complaint. My suggestion is that there are strict guidelines for coaching - a club policy to cover court time for each player and deal with any complaints quickly and openly - and that parents, coaches and managers are aware of the policy. If you have a club Coaching Convenor, part of their portfolio should be to keep an eye on these sorts of things.

Personally I find it difficult to coach my own daughter, however I know many fine coaches who have done a marvellous job of coaching teams that included their daughters.

Sue Adlam

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From: Janine McDonell <janinemc@...>
To: netballcoaching@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, 21 January, 2008 5:33:27 PM
Subject: [netballcoaching] parents coaching daughters

Hi all

Just thought I’d throw this one out to you all for comment. My Club’s new President wants to bring in a rule that no parent can coach their child. She says this is because one parent in the Club is showing favouratism towards their child. She also believes that some kids work better under a coach other than their parent. I have been coaching my daughter for 4 years (I have been involved in netball for 36 years, played A grade all my life, Rep and State league at Nationals and are currently studying for my Level 2 coach accreditation) . My daughter is 12yo and is playing 3^rd division – she enjoys me as her coach and I love to coach her and her friends – it is a family thing. I am quite upset about this ruling and feel that why should we be discriminated against when one person isn’t doing the right thing. The Club is a social club and we have approx 6 mothers coaching their daughters. I was wondering if anyone had any views on this situation.

Janine

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#2547

From: "Janine McDonell" <janinemc@...>
Date: Mon Jan 21, 2008 6:33 am
Subject: parents coaching daughters

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Hi all

Janine

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#2546

From: "Kristen Simpson" <kristens@...>
Date: Sat Dec 15, 2007 1:28 am
Subject: FW: Fw: player assesment sheets

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From: netballcoaching@yahoogroups.com [mailto:netballcoaching@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Gillian Lee
Sent: Thursday, 15 November 2007 9:03 AM
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Subject: [netballcoaching] Fw: player assesment sheets

Hi all,

See attached an assessment sheet someone sent to me.

Cheers

Gill

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#2545

From: "Kristen Simpson" <kristens@...>
Date: Sat Dec 15, 2007 1:28 am
Subject: FW: Rating/Assessing players

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From: netballcoaching@yahoogroups.com [mailto:netballcoaching@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dean Lawrance
Sent: Tuesday, 20 November 2007 11:33 AM
To: netballcoaching@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [netballcoaching] Rating/Assessing players

Hi Gillian, The attached set out the qualities that a selector would look for in a "perfect" player. List compiled at my level 2 with Jill Mc Intosh. Regards, Dean Lawrance.

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From: Gillian Lee

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Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 2:25 PM

Subject: [netballcoaching] Rating/Assessing players

Hi all,

Firstly - check out www.netskills.com.au I've updated the FREE
monthly tips.

Also while ago I think, someone sent through an assessment sheet they
use for rating different skills so they can rate players.

If so can you send it through again please?

Thx

Gillian

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#2544

From: "Gillian Lee" <gillian@...>
Date: Sat Dec 15, 2007 1:17 am
Subject: Re: Player Assessment

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Hi Karen and all,

Sorry I don't have those sheets. Does anyone else have them?

Thx

Gill

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Ph: 03 9592 1666
Fax: 03 9592 1667
Mobile: 0408 166 698
www.netskills.com.au
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From: Karen Brice

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Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2007 12:11 PM

Subject: [netballcoaching] Player Assessment

Hi Gillian,

Can you please send me copies of the player assessment sheets on Selection Criteria fo Centre Courts/Goalers and Defence. I missed these when you sent them as attachments to the group.

Thanks

Karen

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#2543

From: Karen Brice <kateleigh61@...>
Date: Sat Dec 15, 2007 1:11 am
Subject: Player Assessment

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Hi Gillian,

Can you please send me copies of the player assessment sheets on Selection Criteria fo Centre Courts/Goalers and Defence. I missed these when you sent them as attachments to the group.

Thanks

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#2542

From: "Bette Wyer" <bettwyer@...>
Date: Tue Dec 4, 2007 11:01 am
Subject: RE: under 9

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Hi Julie, Your assn should be able to get it through your state body. It contains a set of cards and training equipment.

From: netballcoaching@yahoogroups.com [mailto:netballcoaching@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Julie Halcrow
Sent: Thursday, 29 November 2007 4:40 PM
To: netballcoaching@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [netballcoaching] under 9

Hi could you tell me where you downloaded this program from

Regards Julie

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From: Petrina Boylan

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Sent: Monday, October 22, 2007 7:41 PM

Subject: Re: [netballcoaching] under 9

Netball Australia's Net Set Go program is aimed at this age. I recently got a 10 week program for this age group from Netball Victoria. The 5 youngest teams in my club are using this program and the coaches at this age are pretty happy with the program.

Dalene Louw <rsentrum@...> wrote:

Good morning to you all,

I am the coach of the Western Province team here in South Africa. I have also coached U/14’s before and at our School I also coach the U/19 team. I was recently asked to help a primary school with a summer league to coach the U/9’s of their school. I am not very sure what tipe of excercises to do with these young ones, as the programs I work on I found is to advanced for them. I realized at the first practice that they like doing an exercise that is also part of a litte “game” . Except for the basics of catch, throw and footwork, can somebody help me with a few group work – e.g. to work in pairs or as a team.

Dalene Louw

Netball/athletics Organiser

DF Malan High School

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#2541

From: "Julie Halcrow" <julie_59@...>
Date: Thu Nov 29, 2007 6:40 am
Subject: Re: under 9

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Hi could you tell me where you downloaded this program from

Regards Julie

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From: Petrina Boylan

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Sent: Monday, October 22, 2007 7:41 PM

Subject: Re: [netballcoaching] under 9

Netball Australia's Net Set Go program is aimed at this age. I recently got a 10 week program for this age group from Netball Victoria. The 5 youngest teams in my club are using this program and the coaches at this age are pretty happy with the program.

Dalene Louw <rsentrum@dfmalan.com> wrote:

Good morning to you all,

I am the coach of the Western Province team here in South Africa. I have also coached U/14�s before and at our School I also coach the U/19 team. I was recently asked to help a primary school with a summer league to coach the U/9�s of their school. I am not very sure what tipe of excercises to do with these young ones, as the programs I work on I found is to advanced for them. I realized at the first practice that they like doing an exercise that is also part of a litte �game� . Except for the basics of catch, throw and footwork, can somebody help me with a few group work � e.g. to work in pairs or as a team.

Dalene Louw

Netball/athletics Organiser

DF Malan High School

0834551148/ 021 9488781

rsentrum@dfmalan.com

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#2540

From: "Michelle Roberts" <mickey@...>
Date: Sat Nov 24, 2007 11:29 pm
Subject: RE: associations

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I can't talk from an association's point of view.... but I know you could use Skype/Skype phones to make phone calls to people through the internet. I work from home, and use Skype nearly everyday to call interstate, and my boss uses it to call oversease all the time. Haven't tried the Skype phones, just those that are on my Skype list (computers must be on) but I've heard the phones are good too.

Michelle

From: netballcoaching@yahoogroups.com [mailto:netballcoaching@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Kristen Simpson
Sent: Friday, 23 November 2007 4:36 PM
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Subject: [netballcoaching] associations

Hi everyone,

Can anyone tell me what phone, broadband, mobile plans they may have with their association. We are trying to find a way to reduce our personal phone bills, and have the internet connected at our association but access from home to avoid having to run down to the clubrooms to make calls etc. I have decided Telstra is making a fortune out of volunteers!

Regards

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#2539

From: suesumsion <suesumsion@...>
Date: Sat Nov 24, 2007 10:25 pm
Subject: Re: associations

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Hi i have a $49 cap with Telstra that gives you $250 worth of calls, I believe
that they go up to $79 (i think $400 worth of calls) and $99 caps not sure of
the calls you can make on the last plan.
Hope this helps
Sue
---- Kristen Simpson <kristens@...> wrote:
> Hi everyone,
>
>
>
> Can anyone tell me what phone, broadband, mobile plans they may have with
> their association. We are trying to find a way to reduce our personal phone
> bills, and have the internet connected at our association but access from
> home to avoid having to run down to the clubrooms to make calls etc. I have
> decided Telstra is making a fortune out of volunteers!
>
>
>
> Regards
>
> Kristen
>
>
>
>
>

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#2538

From: "Shirley Hewitt" <shirleyhewitt@...>
Date: Sat Nov 24, 2007 11:25 am
Subject: Re: Coaching U11's with different skill levels

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Hi,

I also just do a general mix of skills and fun games, bullrush, red rover, tiggy, river/bank etc but anyone who mucks up or is uncooperative gets to go for a solo trip around the perimeter of the courts. They catch on quick and noone has ever had to do it twice. Start as you mean to continue, set the your expectations of them at the beginning. I tell them when I am speaking, they should not be, and that training is fun, but it is training for the real game so i expect full participation and cooperation. Sounds tough but we all know where we stand and they get lots of praise and usually a small chocolate or jelly snake before they leave.

Good luck

Shirley

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Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 9:31 PM

Subject: [netballcoaching] Coaching U11's with different skill levels

I coach an 11&under team and have done for the last two years.

The team consists of a several girls who have played for a few years and are reasonably skilled. Others in the team need lots of work at basic skills � stepping, ball handling etc. (Probably roughly half and half)

My question is whether there are any suggestions people can make about how (at training) to keep developing the skills - and interest - of the more competent girls while emphasizing to all the girls that they are a team. I don�t want to have to divide them into groups of �better� and �not so good� girls.

I already use a lot of games to develop skills, which generally work very well, but I feel that the more competent players could be starting to learn more complex skills. (Plus some of these players are acting up at training and just muck around when I�m trying to teach basic skills to the other players.)

Any advice gratefully received.

Regards,

Kerryn.