We are about to begin our Rep trials and
we are interested to find out what other associations do, how do they run it,
do they cut every week, do they play round robin like tournaments, how long as
in days and sessions do you run them for etc. What sort of drills do you do, do
you split them into groups or keep each age group as a whole group???
Thank you for your ideas.
Cheers
Kristen
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Just another reminder that you can see Netball LIVE on the web at 8.15pm EST Australia (Melbourne time). It apparently is also available to watch for the next 48 hours.
For those who don't know I coach the Victoria State League Team - Melbourne Central. We are in the Grand Final this Wed night.
I thought you would all like to know that this Wednesday 19th Sept at 8.30pm EST Australia you can see State League Netball live on the web. Believe it or not the grand final is live on the web.
We ended up 2nd on the ladder and lost to 1st by 17 - not so good. We won the prelim final by 5 last week and so I'm planning for a huge game next wed.
All tune in.
Cheers
Gillian
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Subject: RE: [netballcoaching] Netball World Championships
Hey, who else is going to the World Championships in November?
I got my passport today and the trip is all paid for... so excited!!!! Going with my Mum and 2 sisters - great girly weekend! Hopefully we'll survive in New Zealand dressed like Aussie supporters! LOL!
Thank you Janine, all the late nights and hours of planning the
numerous teams that I coach has been very rewarding. I am looking forward to
2008 season.
Once again, thank you
Jo
From: netballcoaching@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:netballcoaching@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Janine McDonell Sent: Monday, 17 September 2007 4:55 PM To: netballcoaching@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [netballcoaching] Netball LIVE on web
Wow
Jo. That’s very impressive. Congratulations to you on your
achievements this year.
Janine
From: netballcoaching@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:netballcoaching@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of jpita@... Sent: Monday, 17 September 2007 2:26 PM To: netballcoaching@yahoogroups.com Cc: bettwyer@... Subject: Re: [netballcoaching] Netball LIVE on web
Hi Gillian,
I have been fortunate to have coached the indigenous club and my reward was I
got 2 out of 3 in the grand final and won. I also coach an U17 side of Juniors
which also won the grand final. My season has ended on a high with a trifecta
in the grand final + achieving the "Coachs Award for 2007".
All of this is thanks to your drills & skills which I have acquired over
the years to get me where I am today, and I just wanted to say "THANK YOU
:-). Your manuals have helped me to develop and challenge my athletes whilst
team building and growing with them.
My thoughts and best wishes to you and your team for Wednesday, hoping the
girls pull it in for you as did mine.
Good Luck
Jo :-)
---- bettwyer@...
wrote:
> WOW live on the net but would be even better live on TV. Good luck in the
final Gillian--
> Bette
>
> ---- gilly_aussie <gillian@...>
wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > For those who don't know I coach the Victoria State League Team -
> > Melbourne Central. We are in the Grand Final this Wed night.
> >
> > I thought you would all like to know that this Wednesday 19th Sept at
> > 8.30pm EST Australia you can see State League Netball live on the
> > web. Believe it or not the grand final is live on the web.
> >
> > Check out www.melbournecentralnetball.com.au on Tuesday and you will
> > see a link to where the coverage will be.
> >
> > We ended up 2nd on the ladder and lost to 1st by 17 - not so good. We
> > won the prelim final by 5 last week and so I'm planning for a huge
> > game next wed.
> >
> > All tune in.
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > Gillian
> >
>
Subject: RE: [netballcoaching] Netball World Championships
Hey, who else is going to the World Championships in November?
I got my passport today and the trip is all paid for... so excited!!!! Going with my Mum and 2 sisters - great girly weekend! Hopefully we'll survive in New Zealand dressed like Aussie supporters! LOL!
Wow Jo. That’s very impressive.
Congratulations to you on your achievements this year.
Janine
From:netballcoaching@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:netballcoaching@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of jpita@... Sent: Monday, 17 September 2007
2:26 PM To:netballcoaching@yahoogroups.com Cc: bettwyer@... Subject: Re: [netballcoaching]
Netball LIVE on web
Hi Gillian,
I have been fortunate to have coached the indigenous club and my reward was I
got 2 out of 3 in the grand final and won. I also coach an U17 side of Juniors
which also won the grand final. My season has ended on a high with a trifecta
in the grand final + achieving the "Coachs Award for 2007".
All of this is thanks to your drills & skills which I have acquired over
the years to get me where I am today, and I just wanted to say "THANK YOU
:-). Your manuals have helped me to develop and challenge my athletes whilst
team building and growing with them.
My thoughts and best wishes to you and your team for Wednesday, hoping the
girls pull it in for you as did mine.
Good Luck
Jo :-)
---- bettwyer@bigpond.net.au
wrote:
> WOW live on the net but would be even better live on TV. Good luck in the
final Gillian--
> Bette
>
> ---- gilly_aussie <gillian@netskills.com.au>
wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > For those who don't know I coach the Victoria State League Team -
> > Melbourne Central. We are in the Grand Final this Wed night.
> >
> > I thought you would all like to know that this Wednesday 19th Sept at
> > 8.30pm EST Australia you can see State League Netball live on the
> > web. Believe it or not the grand final is live on the web.
> >
> > Check out www.melbournecentralnetball.com.au on Tuesday and
you will
> > see a link to where the coverage will be.
> >
> > We ended up 2nd on the ladder and lost to 1st by 17 - not so good. We
> > won the prelim final by 5 last week and so I'm planning for a huge
> > game next wed.
> >
> > All tune in.
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > Gillian
> >
>
Hi Gillian,
I have been fortunate to have coached the indigenous club and my reward was I
got 2 out of 3 in the grand final and won. I also coach an U17 side of Juniors
which also won the grand final. My season has ended on a high with a trifecta in
the grand final + achieving the "Coachs Award for 2007".
All of this is thanks to your drills & skills which I have acquired over the
years to get me where I am today, and I just wanted to say "THANK YOU :-). Your
manuals have helped me to develop and challenge my athletes whilst team building
and growing with them.
My thoughts and best wishes to you and your team for Wednesday, hoping the girls
pull it in for you as did mine.
Good Luck
Jo :-)
---- bettwyer@... wrote:
> WOW live on the net but would be even better live on TV. Good luck in the
final Gillian--
> Bette
>
> ---- gilly_aussie <gillian@...> wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > For those who don't know I coach the Victoria State League Team -
> > Melbourne Central. We are in the Grand Final this Wed night.
> >
> > I thought you would all like to know that this Wednesday 19th Sept at
> > 8.30pm EST Australia you can see State League Netball live on the
> > web. Believe it or not the grand final is live on the web.
> >
> > Check out www.melbournecentralnetball.com.au on Tuesday and you will
> > see a link to where the coverage will be.
> >
> > We ended up 2nd on the ladder and lost to 1st by 17 - not so good. We
> > won the prelim final by 5 last week and so I'm planning for a huge
> > game next wed.
> >
> > All tune in.
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > Gillian
> >
>
Hi Michelle, Would love to be in your suitcase but unfortunately have to work.
Have a ball and cheer loud enough for all us other Aussies who can't be there.--
Bette
---- Michelle Roberts <mickey@...> wrote:
> Hey, who else is going to the World Championships in November?
>
> I got my passport today and the trip is all paid for... so excited!!!!
> Going with my Mum and 2 sisters - great girly weekend! Hopefully we'll
> survive in New Zealand dressed like Aussie supporters! LOL!
>
> Michelle
I wish!!!, I would love it my other half
gave that trip for my birthday (which is November) but he said NO.
Be a crazy Aussie and enjoy
Mel
From:netballcoaching@yahoogroups.com [mailto:netballcoaching@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Michelle Roberts Sent: Monday, 17 September 2007
10:06 AM To:netballcoaching@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [netballcoaching]
Netball World Championships
Hey, who else is
going to the World Championships in November?
I got my
passport today and the trip is all paid for... so excited!!!! Going
with my Mum and 2 sisters - great
girly weekend! Hopefully we'll survive in New Zealand dressed like Aussie
supporters! LOL!
Hey, who else is going to the World Championships in November?
I got my passport today and the trip is all paid for... so excited!!!! Going with my Mum and 2 sisters - great girly weekend! Hopefully we'll survive in New Zealand dressed like Aussie supporters! LOL!
WOW live on the net but would be even better live on TV. Good luck in the final
Gillian--
Bette
---- gilly_aussie <gillian@...> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> For those who don't know I coach the Victoria State League Team -
> Melbourne Central. We are in the Grand Final this Wed night.
>
> I thought you would all like to know that this Wednesday 19th Sept at
> 8.30pm EST Australia you can see State League Netball live on the
> web. Believe it or not the grand final is live on the web.
>
> Check out www.melbournecentralnetball.com.au on Tuesday and you will
> see a link to where the coverage will be.
>
> We ended up 2nd on the ladder and lost to 1st by 17 - not so good. We
> won the prelim final by 5 last week and so I'm planning for a huge
> game next wed.
>
> All tune in.
>
> Cheers
>
> Gillian
>
it is very disappointing as a coach to have parents that way,but you must put it behind you and move on. You don't need kids that will not be part of a team. Training is were this girl would learn.It will make you a better coach. Good Luck in the future, don't give up.
Lynda Taylor
Coach, Mother & Friend
From: netballcoaching@yahoogroups.com [mailto:netballcoaching@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Fred Eickemeyer Sent: Thursday, 13 September 2007 12:24 PM To: netballcoaching@yahoogroups.com Subject: [netballcoaching] Rotation of Subs
I have a core group of seven girls who are my starting players and two subs, which one of is my daughter. On Tuesday night the Parent of the other sub pulled her daughter out of the team due to not enough game time or different positions. This player as a sub will get 2 to 3 quarters every week. I have played her predominately as a WD as this is where she plays her best game. I have tried her in C & WA but found her passes in this position were letting her down. As a Parent and a coach I found her attitude very disappointing and has left a bad taste in my mouth. My girls are all under 13 and I have taught them to have fun playing but still trying to win. My own daughter only gets to play 2 quarters and both my subs are very short, so I can not play them as main defenders. Have I been doing the right thing or have I failed as all the other parents appreciate my time and effort. Also, this player has never attended training.
I have been coach of both my daughters teams as well as many others from u8's to rep 16yrs. During those years I have found that doing a fair rotation was the most successful way to get the best out of my team. Players understand and accept being benched if they know from the outset where they stand. Rules for finals are to be explained so all understand but generally I play everyone for at least one quarter if we are lucky enough to be in the play offs. This year both my teams only had 8 players which made rotation easier but throughout all my years I have had a game book which I write in the players rotation for each quarter and this is given to the girls prior to the game. If they have any issues it is discussed before the game so we can avoid any discontent and I have been rewarded with happy players. I have found also that many girls do not mature physically and mentally at puberty and sometimes the late bloomers if they have been given the same training turn into the best asset the team has. NB NEVER under-estimate your shorter players, both my girls are shooters and am I and none of us are over 5ft 4in. Skill is much more of a weapon than height.
Hi all,
For those who don't know I coach the Victoria State League Team -
Melbourne Central. We are in the Grand Final this Wed night.
I thought you would all like to know that this Wednesday 19th Sept at
8.30pm EST Australia you can see State League Netball live on the
web. Believe it or not the grand final is live on the web.
Check out www.melbournecentralnetball.com.au on Tuesday and you will
see a link to where the coverage will be.
We ended up 2nd on the ladder and lost to 1st by 17 - not so good. We
won the prelim final by 5 last week and so I'm planning for a huge
game next wed.
All tune in.
Cheers
Gillian
I have always used a roster system to
ensure that all players get equal court time, regardless of their ability. This
year, I had 10 girls which is challenging because it means that there are 2 who
have a half off each game. I work on the proviso that if players who don’t
come to training & don’t contact me beforehand, they will be off for
a half. I always make sure that each player has the same number of time on the
bench but always try to schedule it around the harder games.
I think it’s important to ensure
that weaker players get quality time on court. You usually find that at the
start of the season, the ‘stronger’ players will bypass the ‘weaker’
players but it’s important that you persist and you will nearly always
find that the ‘weaker’ player will become an integral part of the
team. I was coaching 14year this season and had one girl who was playing club
netball for the first time. She started off the season having difficulty even
catching a moving ball and was treated by the team as a ‘last resort’.
We persisted and I did some one on one coaching with her – by the finals,
she had improved so much that she became such an important WD that she played a
full game in the finals.
Remember club netball is all about having
fun and improving skills – you can’t improve unless you are given
the opportunity.
From:
netballcoaching@yahoogroups.com [mailto:netballcoaching@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of christuart Sent: Friday, 14 September 2007
7:41 AM To:
netballcoaching@yahoogroups.com Subject: [netballcoaching] Re:
Rotation of Subs
Hi Fred
If the team that you are coaching are only 13's, surely all players
should be getting equal court time, unless this is a representative
team which have been selected to win. Surely the players you consider
not to be as strong as the other players need every opportunity to
develop their skills, and the best way to do this is through court
time. I know that as a parent I would not be happy if my daughter was
getting more bench time than other players in this age group. I
believe that our game needs all of the players, even the ones that
are not considered to be as strong to continue to thrive. If we
continually bench our 'weaker' players eventually they will all
become disheartened and drop out and then there will not be enough
players for the 'strong' players to form a competition. I would also
say that at this age girls are growing and developing at different
rates and in a matter of weeks their skills can click into place and
they can become a much stronger player.
I agree that failure to attend training is a different issue and my
decision as to which players are on the bench would take this into
consideration.
I coach a team of 12s and certainly have some players that are
stronger than others, however all of my players have paid equal
registration fees and as such in my opinion deserve equal court time.
The position that these players play is not an issue for me, as I
instil in my players the view that all positions down the court are
equally important and the game can be won or lost if any one player
is or is not doing their job in their position.
I am sure you are doing a great job as the coach of this team, and
would also like to point out that 13 year old girls can be very
sensitive, emotional and impulsive at times and perhaps this has been
part of her decision to drop out of your team.
Christine
--- In netballcoaching@yahoogroups.com,
"Julie Halcrow"
<julie_59@...> wrote:
>
> I feel if you have 9 girls in your team you should be rotating all
players, not just 2. I would assume all players pay the same
registration fees etc. If their ability is not up to the standard of
the other players then why are they in the team??? I know as a parent
if my daughter sat off every week I would not be happy. Also how does
this effect the girls confidence, do they feel their the 2 weakest
players because they sit off every week.
>
> Height has no bearing on a players positioning. I have found
shorter players tend to put that extra bit of effort into getting
their feet off the ground, where as taller players feel they don't
need to jump and become lazy.
>
> As far as not turning up to training, this is a different issue.
Unless it was pre-arranged with the parents, if a player continually
does not go to training then they should be first option to sit off.
If she has never attended training then she should not be playing. We
only play as well as we train.
>
> For some reason most players and parents feel WD is the position
for the weakest player in the team. A good WD closes down the
attacking end and if the WA is not getting the ball then the WD is
doing a good job. I always encourage my WD and I try to keep an eye
on the opposing WA to let my WD know how many passes she stopped the
WA from getting.
>
> I don't think you have failed as a coach and you have the support
of 7 parents. Keep up the good work, without coaches/umpires our
children cannot play sport and we will all mistakes, after all where
only human!
> Julie
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Fred Eickemeyer
> To: netballcoaching@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 12:24 PM
> Subject: [netballcoaching] Rotation of Subs
>
>
> I have a core group of seven girls who are my starting players
and two
> subs, which one of is my daughter.
> On Tuesday night the Parent of the other sub pulled her daughter
out
> of the team due to not enough game time or different positions.
This
> player as a sub will get 2 to 3 quarters every week. I have
played her
> predominately as a WD as this is where she plays her best game. I
have
> tried her in C & WA but found her passes in this position were
letting
> her down. As a Parent and a coach I found her attitude very
> disappointing and has left a bad taste in my mouth. My girls are
all
> under 13 and I have taught them to have fun playing but still
trying
> to win. My own daughter only gets to play 2 quarters and both my
subs
> are very short, so I can not play them as main defenders. Have I
been
> doing the right thing or have I failed as all the other parents
> appreciate my time and effort. Also, this player has never
attended
> training.
>
> ta
> Fred
>
Hi Fred
If the team that you are coaching are only 13's, surely all players
should be getting equal court time, unless this is a representative
team which have been selected to win. Surely the players you consider
not to be as strong as the other players need every opportunity to
develop their skills, and the best way to do this is through court
time. I know that as a parent I would not be happy if my daughter was
getting more bench time than other players in this age group. I
believe that our game needs all of the players, even the ones that
are not considered to be as strong to continue to thrive. If we
continually bench our 'weaker' players eventually they will all
become disheartened and drop out and then there will not be enough
players for the 'strong' players to form a competition. I would also
say that at this age girls are growing and developing at different
rates and in a matter of weeks their skills can click into place and
they can become a much stronger player.
I agree that failure to attend training is a different issue and my
decision as to which players are on the bench would take this into
consideration.
I coach a team of 12s and certainly have some players that are
stronger than others, however all of my players have paid equal
registration fees and as such in my opinion deserve equal court time.
The position that these players play is not an issue for me, as I
instil in my players the view that all positions down the court are
equally important and the game can be won or lost if any one player
is or is not doing their job in their position.
I am sure you are doing a great job as the coach of this team, and
would also like to point out that 13 year old girls can be very
sensitive, emotional and impulsive at times and perhaps this has been
part of her decision to drop out of your team.
Christine
--- In netballcoaching@yahoogroups.com, "Julie Halcrow"
<julie_59@...> wrote:
>
> I feel if you have 9 girls in your team you should be rotating all
players, not just 2. I would assume all players pay the same
registration fees etc. If their ability is not up to the standard of
the other players then why are they in the team??? I know as a parent
if my daughter sat off every week I would not be happy. Also how does
this effect the girls confidence, do they feel their the 2 weakest
players because they sit off every week.
>
> Height has no bearing on a players positioning. I have found
shorter players tend to put that extra bit of effort into getting
their feet off the ground, where as taller players feel they don't
need to jump and become lazy.
>
> As far as not turning up to training, this is a different issue.
Unless it was pre-arranged with the parents, if a player continually
does not go to training then they should be first option to sit off.
If she has never attended training then she should not be playing. We
only play as well as we train.
>
> For some reason most players and parents feel WD is the position
for the weakest player in the team. A good WD closes down the
attacking end and if the WA is not getting the ball then the WD is
doing a good job. I always encourage my WD and I try to keep an eye
on the opposing WA to let my WD know how many passes she stopped the
WA from getting.
>
> I don't think you have failed as a coach and you have the support
of 7 parents. Keep up the good work, without coaches/umpires our
children cannot play sport and we will all mistakes, after all where
only human!
> Julie
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Fred Eickemeyer
> To: netballcoaching@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 12:24 PM
> Subject: [netballcoaching] Rotation of Subs
>
>
> I have a core group of seven girls who are my starting players
and two
> subs, which one of is my daughter.
> On Tuesday night the Parent of the other sub pulled her daughter
out
> of the team due to not enough game time or different positions.
This
> player as a sub will get 2 to 3 quarters every week. I have
played her
> predominately as a WD as this is where she plays her best game. I
have
> tried her in C & WA but found her passes in this position were
letting
> her down. As a Parent and a coach I found her attitude very
> disappointing and has left a bad taste in my mouth. My girls are
all
> under 13 and I have taught them to have fun playing but still
trying
> to win. My own daughter only gets to play 2 quarters and both my
subs
> are very short, so I can not play them as main defenders. Have I
been
> doing the right thing or have I failed as all the other parents
> appreciate my time and effort. Also, this player has never
attended
> training.
>
> ta
> Fred
>
It is of my opinion that you are doing the
wrong thing – by your daughter and the other girl. No wonder the other
girl never goes to training – why would she – she hardly gets any
court time! Playing sport is not always about the score. I firmly believe you
should work on the confidence of the girls by encouraging them and only
pointing out good things they do on court and what they should aim for –
it’s amazing how the bad play is weeded out as a result of this approach.
It is absolutely amazing how a girl can play when she is happy and has
confidence and is encouraged. I have had many players come to me who have been
in exactly the same position as your two players – some have actually finished
up the season in rep teams because of how they’ve been coached and the
encouragement they’ve been given. I keep a matrix of all my girls in my
team (9) court time – to ensure it’s even. Although when the semis
come, although they ALL get on court I explain that it purely depends on the
game and the combinations of the other team as to who has the most court time –
everyone is happy with that.
I believe if a girl isn’t playing
well enough or not up to scratch in a certain area, it is my responsibility to help
her improve her skills. I will work with her until she improves. This does
not only cover drills with the whole team but individual drills, pictures of
how it’s done, written handouts, repetitive drills with a mentor girl and
extra training time – either 5 or 10 minutes before or after training. Every
girl on a team has something unique and irreplaceable to bring to a team and it
is our responsibility as coaches to find what that is and to also improve their
standard of play. I really believe It is only when a girl is happy and feels
valued by her coach and team mates is when you will see what she is truly
capable of.
Janine
From:netballcoaching@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:netballcoaching@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Fred Eickemeyer Sent: Thursday, 13 September 2007
12:24 PM To:netballcoaching@yahoogroups.com Subject: [netballcoaching]
Rotation of Subs
I have a core group of seven girls who are my starting
players and two
subs, which one of is my daughter.
On Tuesday night the Parent of the other sub pulled her daughter out
of the team due to not enough game time or different positions. This
player as a sub will get 2 to 3 quarters every week. I have played her
predominately as a WD as this is where she plays her best game. I have
tried her in C & WA but found her passes in this position were letting
her down. As a Parent and a coach I found her attitude very
disappointing and has left a bad taste in my mouth. My girls are all
under 13 and I have taught them to have fun playing but still trying
to win. My own daughter only gets to play 2 quarters and both my subs
are very short, so I can not play them as main defenders. Have I been
doing the right thing or have I failed as all the other parents
appreciate my time and effort. Also, this player has never attended
training.
Hi Fred, i have being coaching netball for many years and teams of various ages. I currently coach an under13's team that consists of 10 players one of which is my daughter. The rules i have for the players is that no training no game, unless they let me know before hand. If they let me know then they may play 3 1/4s rather than a whole game. As i have 10 players i try to rotate as fairly as possible but as you mentioned this can be challenging given different ability levels in certain positions. From what you wrote i feel you are being fair to all players and if the other parents are fine with your coaching, i wouldnt let the rants of 1 parent and player get to you to much. As you probably know, coaching is not for the faint hearted and you can not please everyone all the time all you can do is stay true to your kids and yourself. Best of luck
Vikki Merritt
From: "Fred Eickemeyer" <fred.e@...> Reply-To: netballcoaching@yahoogroups.com To: netballcoaching@yahoogroups.com Subject: [netballcoaching] Rotation of Subs Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 02:24:20 -0000
I have a core group of seven girls who are my starting players and two subs, which one of is my daughter. On Tuesday night the Parent of the other sub pulled her daughter out of the team due to not enough game time or different positions. This player as a sub will get 2 to 3 quarters every week. I have played her predominately as a WD as this is where she plays her best game. I have tried her in C & WA but found her passes in this position were letting her down. As a Parent and a coach I found her attitude very disappointing and has left a bad taste in my mouth. My girls are all under 13 and I have taught them to have fun playing but still trying to win. My own daughter only gets to play 2 quarters and both my subs are very short, so I can not play them as main defenders. Have I been doing the right thing or have I failed as all the other parents appreciate my time and effort. Also, this player has never attended training.
I feel if you have 9 girls in your team you should be rotating all players, not just 2. I would assume all players pay the same registration fees etc. If their ability is not up to the standard of the other players then why are they in the team??? I know as a parent if my daughter sat off every week I would not be happy. Also how does this effect the girls confidence, do they feel their the 2 weakest players because they sit off every week.
Height has no bearing on a players positioning. I have found shorter players tend to put that extra bit of effort into getting their feet off the ground, where as taller players feel they don't need to jump and become lazy.
As far as not turning up to training, this is a different issue. Unless it was pre-arranged with the parents, if a player continually does not go to training then they should be first option to sit off. If she has never attended training then she should not be playing. We only play as well as we train.
For some reason most players and parents feel WD is the position for the weakest player in the team. A good WD closes down the attacking end and if the WA is not getting the ball then the WD is doing a good job. I always encourage my WD and I try to keep an eye on the opposing WA to let my WD know how many passes she stopped the WA from getting.
I don't think you have failed as a coach and you have the support of 7 parents. Keep up the good work, without coaches/umpires our children cannot play sport and we will all mistakes, after all where only human!
I have a core group of seven girls who are my starting players and two subs, which one of is my daughter. On Tuesday night the Parent of the other sub pulled her daughter out of the team due to not enough game time or different positions. This player as a sub will get 2 to 3 quarters every week. I have played her predominately as a WD as this is where she plays her best game. I have tried her in C & WA but found her passes in this position were letting her down. As a Parent and a coach I found her attitude very disappointing and has left a bad taste in my mouth. My girls are all under 13 and I have taught them to have fun playing but still trying to win. My own daughter only gets to play 2 quarters and both my subs are very short, so I can not play them as main defenders. Have I been doing the right thing or have I failed as all the other parents appreciate my time and effort. Also, this player has never attended training.
I think there are a couple of issues here. But as a parent i wouldnt
be happy with this arrangement. This has effectively told these 2 subs
that they are 'sub standard'. As girls get older it gets harder and
harder to keep them involved in playing a sport. Netball is a team
sport and at this level...domestic and U 13 there shouldnt be a core
and subs, only a team. Almost equal court time for the 9 players, with
judicious use of rotation when its necessary by the coach.
As a coach, i have never told a girl verbally or by calling her a
'sub' that she wasnt as good as the others. My teams have their
stronger, preferred positions, other positions that they arent so
strong in and also know that occasionally they will play positions due
to necessity.
But the emphasis is on playing as a team. Yes they want to win, but
not at the expense of self esteem. Each player should have individual
goals and be encouraged when meeting them. We want them to keep
playing as long as possible.
Practice is another issue, but if the player knew that she was only
being used for 2 quarters, she obviously doesnt see the point in
attending practice and her mother certainly wouldnt. She isnt part of
or feel a part of the team.
Both my daughters have played in my teams and those of other coaches.
They stay because they like to play and they feel a part of, and
accepted by the group. Girls are social animals and self esteem in
teenagers is fragile. How easy is it for comments made by the core
group to affect it. ie. 'you're just the sub' Commitment and enjoyment
depends on so many things.
Annie
--- In netballcoaching@yahoogroups.com, "Fred Eickemeyer" <fred.e@...>
wrote:
>
> I have a core group of seven girls who are my starting players and two
> subs, which one of is my daughter.
> On Tuesday night the Parent of the other sub pulled her daughter out
> of the team due to not enough game time or different positions. This
> player as a sub will get 2 to 3 quarters every week. I have played her
> predominately as a WD as this is where she plays her best game. I have
> tried her in C & WA but found her passes in this position were letting
> her down. As a Parent and a coach I found her attitude very
> disappointing and has left a bad taste in my mouth. My girls are all
> under 13 and I have taught them to have fun playing but still trying
> to win. My own daughter only gets to play 2 quarters and both my subs
> are very short, so I can not play them as main defenders. Have I been
> doing the right thing or have I failed as all the other parents
> appreciate my time and effort. Also, this player has never attended
> training.
>
> ta
> Fred
>
I am also a parent and coach of under 13 and under 15 girls and I understand what you have been trying to achieve trying to play 9 girls every week. I rotated all girls so that everyone played a minimum of 3/4 every game. One girl would play a full game. All parents except one found this to be very fair. We are playing normal Saturday town competition, not reps or regionals. The girls are playing for fun and to learn the skills and rules of netball. It is unfair that 6 girls get a full game every week at the expense of a couple of height challenged girls. My shortest players have become very skilled in wing attack, wing defence and centre.Our team won the grand final last year and were in the top 4 and played the semis this year. It is difficult to address a passing issue if the girl doesnt attend training. Our rules are that if you attend training you will be on court .If you consistently dont attend training dont complain if you are not on court for a full game.We rarely have absentees from training. I skilled up my short players on attack and speed and the results are they are valued team members in these positions and have equal court time. Coaches generally put their own daughters last but some parents dont see this. It is best to put her needs on an equal level as those of all the girls on the team.Netball needs thoughtful coaches liike you.
Sally
-----Original Message----- From: netballcoaching@yahoogroups.com [mailto:netballcoaching@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Fred Eickemeyer Sent: Thursday, 13 September 2007 12:24 PM To: netballcoaching@yahoogroups.com Subject: [netballcoaching] Rotation of Subs
I have a core group of seven girls who are my starting players and two subs, which one of is my daughter. On Tuesday night the Parent of the other sub pulled her daughter out of the team due to not enough game time or different positions. This player as a sub will get 2 to 3 quarters every week. I have played her predominately as a WD as this is where she plays her best game. I have tried her in C & WA but found her passes in this position were letting her down. As a Parent and a coach I found her attitude very disappointing and has left a bad taste in my mouth. My girls are all under 13 and I have taught them to have fun playing but still trying to win. My own daughter only gets to play 2 quarters and both my subs are very short, so I can not play them as main defenders. Have I been doing the right thing or have I failed as all the other parents appreciate my time and effort. Also, this player has never attended training.
Hi Fred, I appreciate the dilemma as have had a similar experience this season also. I heard lots of comments from other coaches and parents saying that everyone pays therefore everyone should get equal time as otherwise there is less chance for improved play. I did this until finals when the girl who did not attend training and one other less strong player sat out for half the game. And I always stood anyone down first quarter if they did not attend training. Unfortunately in a team of nine, it meant that 8 girls had a quarter off every week anyway and one girl played a full game. Next season i plan to stand them down half a game if they do not attend training.
I have a core group of seven girls who are my starting players and two subs, which one of is my daughter. On Tuesday night the Parent of the other sub pulled her daughter out of the team due to not enough game time or different positions. This player as a sub will get 2 to 3 quarters every week. I have played her predominately as a WD as this is where she plays her best game. I have tried her in C & WA but found her passes in this position were letting her down. As a Parent and a coach I found her attitude very disappointing and has left a bad taste in my mouth. My girls are all under 13 and I have taught them to have fun playing but still trying to win. My own daughter only gets to play 2 quarters and both my subs are very short, so I can not play them as main defenders. Have I been doing the right thing or have I failed as all the other parents appreciate my time and effort. Also, this player has never attended training.
I don't doubt that you put a lot of time into your team and that people do appreciate it - BUT if I had a daughter who was classified as a "sub" who was only getting 2-3 quarters a week, and only in one position, I'd pull her out of the team as well.
Netball is a team sport and everyone is a part of the team, and must be made to feel a part of the team. By having 7 members of the team who play most of the time and 2 "subs" who get very little court time you are not creating a team. Even with weak players they should get equal court time. It is difficult as a coach to take off strong players and put weaker ones on but how will the weak ones improve if they don't play. Also there are lots of lessons to be learned from playing junior sport, other than how to play a sport. Your 7 players need to learn to play and work with weaker players. They need to see
that everyone can make a comtribution to the team, that sometimes you have to learn to cooperate and work with people of differing skill levels and that everyone has value.
My club has a policy, which is pretty similar to Netball Victoria's junior policy, where all players get equal time on the court throughout the season. It is up to the coaches to work out team combinations, and obviously we try to give our strongest key positions players full games against our toughest opposition but across the season the players get equal time. This includes, much to the disgust of some of our more competitive parents, finals. We allow a slight deviation of this equal time in finals for our 15/U and 17/U team. However, usually by this age group our coaches want to still give everyone a fair go and all of our players our used to equal time. When we ask them about it the majority want to keep it even.
As for the girl who pulled out of your team not attending training - there could be many factors in that, but probably the fact that she didn't get much court time contributed to that.
Give all your players an even go - there is plenty of time for U/13 kids to learn that life isn't fair but junior sport should be able learning and playing and having fun. When your players get older they may have opportunities to play elite level netball - when they get here they might find that only the strongest get court time, but not at U/13.
Good luck,
Petrina
Fred Eickemeyer <fred.e@...> wrote:
I have a core group of seven girls who are my starting players and two subs, which one of is my daughter. On Tuesday night the Parent of the other sub pulled her daughter out of the team due to not enough game time or different positions. This player as a sub will get 2 to 3 quarters every week. I have played her predominately as a WD as this is where she plays her best game. I have tried her in C & WA but found her passes in this position were letting her down. As a Parent and a coach I found her attitude very disappointing and has left a bad taste in my mouth. My girls are all under 13 and I have taught them to have fun playing but still trying to win. My own daughter only gets to play 2 quarters and both my subs are very short, so I can not play them
as main defenders. Have I been doing the right thing or have I failed as all the other parents appreciate my time and effort. Also, this player has never attended training.
This year I coached two Cadet teams (16-18 years old). My two daughters were in one of the teams. Within each of the teams there is quite a variation in skill level.
In club netball, I take the approach that all players or their parents have paid the same registration, uniform costs, etc. Except when we get to finals, I don't have any 'substitutes'; everyone plays.
But, I give every player equal time OFF court, meaning on the side line. So, if everyone comes to every game, everyone gets equal time ON court. If someone doesn't come to a game, that does not count as time off court. Having decided who plays in which quarters, I then make up the strongest combination to take the court.
Above club netball, I would play core players and substitutes.
From: netballcoaching@yahoogroups.com [mailto:netballcoaching@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Fred Eickemeyer Sent: Thursday, 13 September 2007 12:24 PM To: netballcoaching@yahoogroups.com Subject: [netballcoaching] Rotation of Subs
I have a core group of seven girls who are my starting players and two subs, which one of is my daughter. On Tuesday night the Parent of the other sub pulled her daughter out of the team due to not enough game time or different positions. This player as a sub will get 2 to 3 quarters every week. I have played her predominately as a WD as this is where she plays her best game. I have tried her in C & WA but found her passes in this position were letting her down. As a Parent and a coach I found her attitude very disappointing and has left a bad taste in my mouth. My girls are all under 13 and I have taught them to have fun playing but still trying to win. My own daughter only gets to play 2 quarters and both my subs are very short, so I can not play them as main defenders. Have I been doing the right thing or have I failed as all the other parents appreciate my time and effort. Also, this player has never attended training.
I have a core group of seven girls who are my starting players and two
subs, which one of is my daughter.
On Tuesday night the Parent of the other sub pulled her daughter out
of the team due to not enough game time or different positions. This
player as a sub will get 2 to 3 quarters every week. I have played her
predominately as a WD as this is where she plays her best game. I have
tried her in C & WA but found her passes in this position were letting
her down. As a Parent and a coach I found her attitude very
disappointing and has left a bad taste in my mouth. My girls are all
under 13 and I have taught them to have fun playing but still trying
to win. My own daughter only gets to play 2 quarters and both my subs
are very short, so I can not play them as main defenders. Have I been
doing the right thing or have I failed as all the other parents
appreciate my time and effort. Also, this player has never attended
training.
ta
Fred
HOWEVER the defender cannot impede the shooters range of movement as they go to take a shot?
As Stephen said - within 90cm... but from the correct distance, wouldn't you say that you'd want your defenders to do everything they can to impede the shot? Once the shooter has the ball in a good position - that's all it's about for defence! If you have a defender who is tall enough, or their shooter is shorter, or has a low shot action - wouldn't you have your defence smothering that shot as much as you can? I agree that more often than not, the umpire will call the defender even if it is the shooter who brings the ball into their hands - but if the defender is 'set' then not nearly as many umpires will call them when the shooter brings the ball into their hands (most just tend to let it go - and on glorious days, the shooter will get called - but that's normally a once in a season thing).
Stephen mentioned about the defender being allowed within the 90cm without defending - which is true. My hubby is a National B badge - and him and I got into quite a heated argument about this, because he said it was OK for a defender to turn around and stand in front of the shooter, as long as they weren't defending. I told him, that as a defender, even with the most innocent face, that I would definitely be defending if I did that - that it would be my conscious intention to defend too - defending the step in by the shooter, and the rebound. No doubt in my mind it's defensive!
:)
Michelle
From: netballcoaching@yahoogroups.com [mailto:netballcoaching@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Thompson Sent: Wednesday, 12 September 2007 9:23 AM To: netballcoaching@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [netballcoaching] Defending query
Hi Steph
The rule is basically, if the defender is within 90cm of the landed foot (or where it was) of the player with the ball, they can not :
1) actively defend or
2) interfere with the shooting or passing action.
That's the obstruction rule in relation to a player with the ball. There is nothing else.
(Other obstruction rules apply in relation to a player who does not have the ball.)
If the defender is within 90cm, but not actively defending and not interfering, they can stay put. The defender does not have to allow the shooter to step in.
If the defender is outside 90cm of the landed foot (or where it was), 1 and 2 don't apply. Outside 90cm, there is no obstruction. If the shooter steps in and then has trouble shooting, that's the shooter's problem. But the defender must be careful about other infringements such as intimidation.
However, I tell my defenders, if the player with the ball steps in, then stop moving, keep your hands up, but still. That way, if the shooter pushes the ball into the defender's hand, there's no doubt that the shooter caused the contact. And that's also the way I umpire and how I teach new umpires.
From: netballcoaching@yahoogroups.com [mailto:netballcoaching@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Steph Cleary Sent: Tuesday, 11 September 2007 1:26 PM To: netballcoaching@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [netballcoaching] Defending query
as I understand it though a defender can defend if the shooter steps in HOWEVER the defender cannot impede the shooters range of movement as they go to take a shot? is it true that that is obstruction? because i have often seen GS force an obstruction by stepping in so close that unless they put their arms downt he defender is impeding the shooters normal range of movement.
----- Original Message ---- From: Stephen Thompson <steve.thomp@gmail.com> To: netballcoaching@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, 10 September, 2007 5:07:51 PM Subject: RE: [netballcoaching] Defending query
Hi Julie.
As everyone else has said, another Urban Umpiring Myth. Provided the defender's foot is no closer at any time than 90cm from where the attacking player's grounded foot is or was, they can arrive after the attacker has stepped forward or started to pass or shoot. No obstruction. Too many umpires fall for that one. Even a few national-badged umpires that I know.
On a related issue, tell your girls that the defender should be careful not to make contact with the attacker or the ball while the attacker still has hold of it. Easy to do because the defender is moving and the attacker is probably still. And most umpires will give the benefit of doubt to the attacking player.
From: netballcoaching@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:netballcoac hing@yahoogroups .com] On Behalf Of Julie Wardle Sent: Monday, 10 September 2007 10:24 AM To: netballcoaching@ yahoogroups. com Subject: [netballcoaching] Defending query
Hi all,
I just have a query regarding defending a player when they step in, either for a pass or shot. On the weekend, when a player stepped in to take a shot & the defender came in & defending from where her original three feet was, she was pulled up for obstruction. I was told that the defender had to already be defending her & it would have been alright. Is this correct.I always thought that as long as you are defending from where her grounded foot was, regardless of whether you were defending her at the time she stepped in or not, that this was a legal defence?
Julie Wardle
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The rule is basically, if the defender is within 90cm of the landed foot (or where it was) of the player with the ball, they can not :
1) actively defend or
2) interfere with the shooting or passing action.
That's the obstruction rule in relation to a player with the ball. There is nothing else.
(Other obstruction rules apply in relation to a player who does not have the ball.)
If the defender is within 90cm, but not actively defending and not interfering, they can stay put. The defender does not have to allow the shooter to step in.
If the defender is outside 90cm of the landed foot (or where it was), 1 and 2 don't apply. Outside 90cm, there is no obstruction. If the shooter steps in and then has trouble shooting, that's the shooter's problem. But the defender must be careful about other infringements such as intimidation.
However, I tell my defenders, if the player with the ball steps in, then stop moving, keep your hands up, but still. That way, if the shooter pushes the ball into the defender's hand, there's no doubt that the shooter caused the contact. And that's also the way I umpire and how I teach new umpires.
From: netballcoaching@yahoogroups.com [mailto:netballcoaching@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Steph Cleary Sent: Tuesday, 11 September 2007 1:26 PM To: netballcoaching@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [netballcoaching] Defending query
as I understand it though a defender can defend if the shooter steps in HOWEVER the defender cannot impede the shooters range of movement as they go to take a shot? is it true that that is obstruction? because i have often seen GS force an obstruction by stepping in so close that unless they put their arms downt he defender is impeding the shooters normal range of movement.
----- Original Message ---- From: Stephen Thompson <steve.thomp@gmail.com> To: netballcoaching@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, 10 September, 2007 5:07:51 PM Subject: RE: [netballcoaching] Defending query
Hi Julie.
As everyone else has said, another Urban Umpiring Myth. Provided the defender's foot is no closer at any time than 90cm from where the attacking player's grounded foot is or was, they can arrive after the attacker has stepped forward or started to pass or shoot. No obstruction. Too many umpires fall for that one. Even a few national-badged umpires that I know.
On a related issue, tell your girls that the defender should be careful not to make contact with the attacker or the ball while the attacker still has hold of it. Easy to do because the defender is moving and the attacker is probably still. And most umpires will give the benefit of doubt to the attacking player.
From: netballcoaching@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:netballcoac hing@yahoogroups .com] On Behalf Of Julie Wardle Sent: Monday, 10 September 2007 10:24 AM To: netballcoaching@ yahoogroups. com Subject: [netballcoaching] Defending query
Hi all,
I just have a query regarding defending a player when they step in, either for a pass or shot. On the weekend, when a player stepped in to take a shot & the defender came in & defending from where her original three feet was, she was pulled up for obstruction. I was told that the defender had to already be defending her & it would have been alright. Is this correct.I always thought that as long as you are defending from where her grounded foot was, regardless of whether you were defending her at the time she stepped in or not, that this was a legal defence?
Julie Wardle
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the defender must be 3 feet from the landed foot no matter what happens, she does not need to move if the attacker steps in as long as she does not contact the ball or the person and she must defend the ball not the face of the thrower, now if the person with the ball steps in and contacts the defender the umpire should call it
" Life may not be the party we hoped for, but while we're still here we may as well dance."
as I understand it though a defender can defend if the shooter steps in HOWEVER the defender cannot impede the shooters range of movement as they go to take a shot? is it true that that is obstruction? because i have often seen GS force an obstruction by stepping in so close that unless they put their arms downt he defender is impeding the shooters normal range of movement.
----- Original Message ---- From: Stephen Thompson <steve.thomp@gmail.com> To: netballcoaching@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, 10 September, 2007 5:07:51 PM Subject: RE: [netballcoaching] Defending query
Hi Julie.
As everyone else has said, another Urban Umpiring Myth. Provided the defender's foot is no closer at any time than 90cm from where the attacking player's grounded foot is or was, they can arrive after the attacker has stepped forward or started to pass or shoot. No obstruction. Too many umpires fall for that one. Even a few national-badged umpires that I know.
On a related issue, tell your girls that the defender should be careful not to make contact with the attacker or the ball while the attacker still has hold of it. Easy to do because the defender is moving and the attacker is probably still. And most umpires will give the benefit of doubt to the attacking player.
From: netballcoaching@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:netballcoac hing@yahoogroups .com] On Behalf Of Julie Wardle Sent: Monday, 10 September 2007 10:24 AM To: netballcoaching@ yahoogroups. com Subject: [netballcoaching] Defending query
Hi all,
I just have a query regarding defending a player when they step in, either for a pass or shot. On the weekend, when a player stepped in to take a shot & the defender came in & defending from where her original three feet was, she was pulled up for obstruction. I was told that the defender had to already be defending her & it would have been alright. Is this correct.I always thought that as long as you are defending from where her grounded foot was, regardless of whether you were defending her at the time she stepped in or not, that this was a legal defence?
Julie Wardle
348 Campbell Street Swan Hill VIC 3585 Phone (03) 50329888 Fax (03) 50329919
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Yes, definitely, the girls must snatch the
ball on first touch. I have always taught my girls the difference between
a good snatch and a ‘bad’ snatch ie. snatch on first touch but if
you don’t get the ball and the girl is still hanging on DO NOT keep
tugging, relax and let the umpire call the action. You need to teach them
to snatch the ball as all competitive girls will, and should, do this on the
court. If they don’t they will be losing too many balls. They
need to be assertive netball players!
Janine
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On Behalf Of Collins Hilary Sent: Tuesday, 11 September 2007
9:37 AM To:netballcoaching@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [netballcoaching]
First possession
I too
coach my kids to do this ... too often an umpire doesn't see who has
"first possession" and at the end of the day, your team wants the
ball.
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On Behalf Of Amanda Sent: Monday, 10 September 2007
8:48 PM To:netballcoaching@yahoogroups.com Subject: [netballcoaching] First
possession
I have a group of 10 year olds who are in the
granfinal on Saturday.
I was wondering what the ruling is on first possession. I always
believed if two players caught the ball at the same time the decision
of first possession is left up to the umpire. The team we are playing
in the grandfinal have been taught if two players get the ball
simulataneously to "reef" the ball out of the other players hands.
How then is the umpire to make a decision on first possession? They
have been taught to play like it is basketball.
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as I understand it though a defender can defend if the shooter steps in HOWEVER the defender cannot impede the shooters range of movement as they go to take a shot? is it true that that is obstruction? because i have often seen GS force an obstruction by stepping in so close that unless they put their arms downt he defender is impeding the shooters normal range of movement.
----- Original Message ---- From: Stephen Thompson <steve.thomp@...> To: netballcoaching@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, 10 September, 2007 5:07:51 PM Subject: RE: [netballcoaching] Defending query
Hi Julie.
As everyone else has said, another Urban Umpiring Myth. Provided the defender's foot is no closer at any time than 90cm from where the attacking player's grounded foot is or was, they can arrive after the attacker has stepped forward or started to pass or shoot. No obstruction. Too many umpires fall for that one. Even a few national-badged umpires that I know.
On a related issue, tell your girls that the defender should be careful not to make contact with the attacker or the ball while the attacker still has hold of it. Easy to do because the defender is moving and the attacker is probably still. And most umpires will give the benefit of doubt to the attacking player.
From: netballcoaching@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:netballcoac hing@yahoogroups .com] On Behalf Of Julie Wardle Sent: Monday, 10 September 2007 10:24 AM To: netballcoaching@ yahoogroups. com Subject: [netballcoaching] Defending query
Hi all,
I just have a query regarding defending a player when they step in, either for a pass or shot. On the weekend, when a player stepped in to take a shot & the defender came in & defending from where her original three feet was, she was pulled up for obstruction. I was told that the defender had to already be defending her & it would have been alright. Is this correct.I always thought that as long as you are defending from where her grounded foot was, regardless of whether you were defending her at the time she stepped in or not, that this was a legal defence?
Julie Wardle
348 Campbell Street Swan Hill VIC 3585 Phone (03) 50329888 Fax (03) 50329919
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