There are clincher rims that have a supposedly smooth surface and no
hole for the tube to explode into that do not require rim tape.

On Oct 09, 2008, at 11:34, Adrian Hands wrote:

> do people really ride without rim tape?
>  do they really sell bikes sans tape?

do people really ride without rim tape?
do they really sell bikes sans tape?

>>> bikerumor.com:

Shimano is stating that their WH-7850-C24-CL and WH-7850-C50-CL
clincher wheelsets may be prone to punctures due to the surface
texture of the rim combined with the use of spoke-hole plugs.

The instructions for fixing this problem (basically, just use rim
tape) are here.
http://cycle.shimano-eu.com/publish/content/cycle/seh/nl/en/news___info/correcti\
ve_action.html

From now on, all Shimano wheels will be shipped with rim tape, and
dealers are supposed to provide you with free rim tape if you have
these wheels.  This info was found on Euro websites, so it may not be
an issue here in the states.

Sounds like 09 will be a fun-filled year! Thanks for the heads-up, Tony.

Branson

--- In ncrandoncyclists@yahoogroups.com, Tony G <tony.g@...> wrote:
>
> Hello all
>
> The RBAs have submitted their date request for ACP events and some RUSA
> events for 2009. More RUSA events can be added during the year. I can't
> tell you what the dates are until RUSA approves the calendar. There
> should be a good range of events to allow ya'll to ride and gather K's
> for your awards throughout most of the year.

Hello all

The RBAs have submitted their date request for ACP events and some RUSA
events for 2009. More RUSA events can be added during the year. I can't
tell you what the dates are until RUSA approves the calendar. There
should be a good range of events to allow ya'll to ride and gather K's
for your awards throughout most of the year. RUSA did discourage too
many ACP events and ACP events from Oct 1 thru Dec 31 but did suggest
that those months be RUSA events.

I imagine that many of you have areas/routes that you like to ride and
might would like to share with other RUSA members. Some of you have
established permanents, so if that is something that you would like to
please do set those up. If you need any help with the routing etc.
please let me know and I'll see what I can do to help you with a
permanent you want to establish.

If you have a good route that you would like to submit for brevet but
don't want to make it permanent because of the responsibilities that go
along with owning a permanent, let me know what that route is off list.
I would be willing to look it over on a map to start with and talk with
you some about maybe making it a route that is available for a
particular brevet which could be used for a RUSA or ACP event during
the year.

If you would like to semi-host a brevet, an arrow, a dart or help with
getting a new route established, for a particular area, please let me
know off list so we can talk about it.

I have some ideas for new routes for most of what I already put on the
schedule for 2009, but there may be room for your input and for some of
your routes to possibly be included for the events. There are some time
constraints so please get your ideas to me soon.

Have a good day!
Tony Goodnight
www.bicycleforlife.org
704.637.6289 office

As the calendar year winds down we have a few great cool weather rides left:

Sat 10/11: Uwharrie Mountain Festival Rides—Troy
Sun 10/12: NCBC Fall—Raleigh
Fri 10/17: Red Oktober Swap Meet & Social—Greensboro
Sat 10/18: Showdown at Black Creek
Sat 10/25: Tour de Nantahala (the Smokies)—Bryson City
Sat 11/01: Habitat for Humanity 100—Durham
Sat 11/08: Mattamuskeet Fun Ride—Swan Quarter
Sat 11/08: Ansonville Homecoming Uwharrie Mtn Festival Rides—Anson

Spring & Fall are spectacular riding around here.  Too many events are
concentrated in the summer heat.  Spring blossoms almost match fall
foliage, but for me Autumn wins because of:

     * Spring pollen! and
     * drier Fall weather.

Plus, late in the season we're better prepared to pedal hard enough to
stay warm.

The Uwharries are a great place to ride.  Al Johnson's 400km brevet
treats us to the splendor of that region in May, but we miss the Fall
colors. Fortunately there is a ride in the Uwharries this Saturday.

Nights start earlier and end later now--don't forget your lights!

Did you know the half-a-billion year old Uwharries used to peak a mile
higher than the Rockies?  Hundreds of millions of years of erosion
have worn them down to more manageable cycling heights, smoothly
curved their profiles, and given them a thick soil base to support
lush vegetation and wildlife.  Watch out for deer and turkey crossing
those quiet roads.

Also when you're out there keep an eye out for Larry Kissell, a high
school social studies teacher who is running for U.S. Congress--he's a
recreational and commuter cyclist and proudly proclaims it on his web
site: "Avid Cyclist, over 33,500 miles logged since 1997", "Favored
mode of transport: Trek 5200 bicycle.".  NC had two representatives in
the Congressional Bike Caucus, until the guy from Asheville lost
re-election.  Lets get another cyclist in so that Brad Miller isn't
the only North Carolinian in the CBC.

I know some of you are on the
http://groups.google.com/group/randon?hl=en list, but those that are
not, please note the below info about the SR Award app

Begin forwarded message:

> Dear potential SR award applicants,
>
> Reminder: The application deadline for the SR award is October 31.
> Anything
> postmarked on that day or before will meet the deadline.  Though if
> your
> letter gets lost in the mail and is found in the bottom of a letter
> box on
> Feb. 29, 2037, then you're not in, no matter when it's postmarked :-)
>
> Apropos of which: I've processed all of the applications I've received
> to
> date, and have emailed everyone who has given me their email address
> to let
> them know their application status.  If you haven't received an email
> and
> you think you should have, feel free to email and ask.
>
> Several of you have emailed to ask what to do, given that they rode a
> 600K
> recently but the certificate number is still listed as "Pending".
> Answer:
> Send in your application without delay, writing "Pending" next to the
> certificate number.  If you include your email address, then I'll let
> you
> know that I got your application.  I'll check the RUSA website
> periodically
> to see if certificate #'s have been assigned.  This all should be no
> problem
> in the end.
>
>
> Best regards,
>
> Nick Bull
> SR Award administrator

I may be a little biased, but this should be a terrific ride for fall
foliage and mountain views - possibly worth the trip.

http://dcrand.org/blog/2008/08/28/cacapon-200k-oct-18-2008/

Hope some of you can make it.

Lynn

I'm in for the 18th.

Wes

> Branson,
>
> I do not have a head count on this, but other riders are welcome to join
> us, so please let me know if you are interested. The more, the merrier.
>
> This is a fairly flat course with many miles of quiet rural roads.  We
> had a great time on the inaugural ride, and Dean rode it last weekend.
>
> Registration proceeds will be donated to the Mountains to Sea Trail, a
> very worthy cause.
>
> Thanks, Mike / Raleigh
>
>
>
>
> --- In ncrandoncyclists@yahoogroups.com, "Branson" <bullcitybiker@...>
> wrote:
>>
>> Looking forward to it, Mike. Who else is in?
>>
>> Branson
>>
>> --- In ncrandoncyclists@yahoogroups.com, "senor.pibb" mdayton@ wrote:
>> >
>> > We have one other new route: the Black Creek route has also been
>> > approved. Here's the route description
>> > <http://www.rusa.org/cgi-bin/permview_GF.pl?permid=481> , and here's
> a
>> > write-up
>> >
>>
> <http://ncrandonneur.blogspot.com/2008/08/route-scouting-showdown-at-bla\
> \
>> > ck-creek.html> . Thanks to Edward Robinson and Al Johnson for their
> help
>> > in getting this route approved. I'm planning to ride it on October
> 18 as
>> > part of the month-long Mountain  to Sea Trail
> <http://www.ncmst.org/>
>> > celebration. Let me know if you'd like to join me. The registration
> fee
>> > and any other contributions will be donated to the trail efforts.
>> >
>> > Thanks, Mike / Raleigh
>> >
>> >
>> > --- In ncrandoncyclists@yahoogroups.com, "morrisbenedict"
>> > <johnmorris@> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > So, the new Yanceyville/Hyco Lake permanent has been approved, and
> I'm
>> > > changing my plans from the lake loop to the new ride this
> saturday.
>> > > I'll be starting from my house in North Durham at 7am--let me know
> if
>> > > anybody wants to join me.  (Dean--up for a new venue?)
>> > >
>> > > The route is #480 in the RUSA database, and I'll accept
>> > stamps/initials
>> > > from various establishments in yanceyville as checkpoints on the
> way
>> > > out and back.  (I'm not sure whether Gilbert's bike shop will be
> open
>> > > Sat or not. . .)
>> > >
>> > > All the best, John.
>> > >
>> >
>>
>
>
>

Branson,

I do not have a head count on this, but other riders are welcome to join
us, so please let me know if you are interested. The more, the merrier.

This is a fairly flat course with many miles of quiet rural roads.  We
had a great time on the inaugural ride, and Dean rode it last weekend.

Registration proceeds will be donated to the Mountains to Sea Trail, a
very worthy cause.

Thanks, Mike / Raleigh




--- In ncrandoncyclists@yahoogroups.com, "Branson" <bullcitybiker@...>
wrote:
>
> Looking forward to it, Mike. Who else is in?
>
> Branson
>
> --- In ncrandoncyclists@yahoogroups.com, "senor.pibb" mdayton@ wrote:
> >
> > We have one other new route: the Black Creek route has also been
> > approved. Here's the route description
> > <http://www.rusa.org/cgi-bin/permview_GF.pl?permid=481> , and here's
a
> > write-up
> >
>
<http://ncrandonneur.blogspot.com/2008/08/route-scouting-showdown-at-bla\
\
> > ck-creek.html> . Thanks to Edward Robinson and Al Johnson for their
help
> > in getting this route approved. I'm planning to ride it on October
18 as
> > part of the month-long Mountain  to Sea Trail
<http://www.ncmst.org/>
> > celebration. Let me know if you'd like to join me. The registration
fee
> > and any other contributions will be donated to the trail efforts.
> >
> > Thanks, Mike / Raleigh
> >
> >
> > --- In ncrandoncyclists@yahoogroups.com, "morrisbenedict"
> > <johnmorris@> wrote:
> > >
> > > So, the new Yanceyville/Hyco Lake permanent has been approved, and
I'm
> > > changing my plans from the lake loop to the new ride this
saturday.
> > > I'll be starting from my house in North Durham at 7am--let me know
if
> > > anybody wants to join me.  (Dean--up for a new venue?)
> > >
> > > The route is #480 in the RUSA database, and I'll accept
> > stamps/initials
> > > from various establishments in yanceyville as checkpoints on the
way
> > > out and back.  (I'm not sure whether Gilbert's bike shop will be
open
> > > Sat or not. . .)
> > >
> > > All the best, John.
> > >
> >
>

Hello all

Please help us keep the info stored inside of the NCRandonCyclists info
up to date. The file storage is limited but I think we can get good use
out of what is available. Listed below are some areas and suggestions
for use of the Yahoo services for the group.

Remember that only member of the group have access to the below pages,
so you must be logged in to view those pages (that way the spammers
will not bother us as much)

Files/Photos:    Members (upload/modify/download files)
http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/ncrandoncyclists/files/
http://sports.ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/ncrandoncyclists/photos

Links:    Members (create/modify/delete links)
http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/ncrandoncyclists/links

Polls:    Members (create/modify/vote in polls)
http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/ncrandoncyclists/polls

Calendar:    Members (create/modify/delete events)
http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/ncrandoncyclists/cal

I have added a new folder for the links section for Permanents and
added the names for each one. Please take the time to update and
maintain complete info so that riders can have access to your permanent
info
http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/ncrandoncyclists/links/
NC_Permanents_info_001223299897/
Those of you who have Permanents or who establish them, please use this
folder to store and maintain links and basic descriptions about your
permanents.

Please use the files section for permanent detailed info
http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/ncrandoncyclists/files/
NC%20Permanents/
You may store your actual files for your permanents: route images - que
sheets in text, xcel, and pdf formats - other forms that you may have
that you want riders to have access to.
Please then add a link to those files inside of the respective links
folder for your permanent.
Remember to maintain a copy/backup of your own since we can not control
what happens inside Yahoo itself.

Anyone can see the home page
http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/ncrandoncyclists/ and the messages
page, but only members can post messages.

When posting messages with reply or forward, please remember to not
include anyones email address in the body of your post so that the spam
robots may not have an opportunity to harvest the addresses of yours or
your friends.

Thanks for your help with this. If you have any question, please let me
know.

Have a good day!
Tony Goodnight
www.goodnightartanddesign.com
www.bicycleforlife.org
www.hisworddaily.org
704.637.6289 office

Looking forward to it, Mike. Who else is in?

Branson

--- In ncrandoncyclists@yahoogroups.com, "senor.pibb" <mdayton@...> wrote:
>
> We have one other new route: the Black Creek route has also been
> approved. Here's the route description
> <http://www.rusa.org/cgi-bin/permview_GF.pl?permid=481> , and here's a
> write-up
>
<http://ncrandonneur.blogspot.com/2008/08/route-scouting-showdown-at-bla\
> ck-creek.html> . Thanks to Edward Robinson and Al Johnson for their help
> in getting this route approved. I'm planning to ride it on October 18 as
> part of the month-long Mountain  to Sea Trail <http://www.ncmst.org/>
> celebration. Let me know if you'd like to join me. The registration fee
> and any other contributions will be donated to the trail efforts.
>
> Thanks, Mike / Raleigh
>
>
> --- In ncrandoncyclists@yahoogroups.com, "morrisbenedict"
> <johnmorris@> wrote:
> >
> > So, the new Yanceyville/Hyco Lake permanent has been approved, and I'm
> > changing my plans from the lake loop to the new ride this saturday.
> > I'll be starting from my house in North Durham at 7am--let me know if
> > anybody wants to join me.  (Dean--up for a new venue?)
> >
> > The route is #480 in the RUSA database, and I'll accept
> stamps/initials
> > from various establishments in yanceyville as checkpoints on the way
> > out and back.  (I'm not sure whether Gilbert's bike shop will be open
> > Sat or not. . .)
> >
> > All the best, John.
> >
>

Check out ed felker's daily randonneur blog. I heard about this first from bill
olsen at last chance. The PA RBA has been given permission by RUSA to expand his
1000 km brevet to 1200.
Jerry Phelps
NIEHS

Please excuse typos and missing letters or words.  Sent on my tiny Blackberry
and my thumbs are too big!!

----- Original Message -----
From: Adrian Hands <HandsAdrian@...>
To: ncrandoncyclists@yahoogroups.com <ncrandoncyclists@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sat Oct 04 18:23:04 2008
Subject: Re: [ncrandoncyclists] Gold Rush sign up

there's a 1200km in PA?
if its RM sanctioned, RUSA needs an update of the "longer brevets"
page.  http://www.rusa.org/1200kms.html

NC should establish our own virtual "grand livre" online recording nc
randonneurs accomplishments at 1200km+ events.
specs:
- plain html table ok (its not big enough, or changing often enough,
to need a database app)
- full name (gender)
- event
- year
- time/dnf
- distance
- team/division
- link to write-up & photos
- link to official event results, if online
- bike type (tandem, single speed, bent, trike, fixed, etc.)
- weather?

e.g.:

| Richard Lawrence (M) | RAAM | 1998 | 9d1h7m | 2906mi | (4) 70+ |
[write-up] | [results] | softride | 56F-90F |



On Sat, Oct 4, 2008 at 3:28 PM, Phelps, Jerry (NIH/NIEHS) [E]
<phelps@...> wrote:
> Miserably hot.
>
> I am thinking of doing the Endless Mountains 1200 in PA. why? Because
> it's there and I'm stupid.
>
> A party is a good idea anytime.
>
> jp
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Adrian Hands [mailto:HandsAdrian@...]
> Sent: Friday, October 03, 2008 5:58 PM
> To: ncrandoncyclists@yahoogroups.com
> Cc: Gilbert Anderson
> Subject: Re: [ncrandoncyclists] Gold Rush sign up
>
> will that make wes the first nc randonneur to ride the gold rush?
> maybe the lawrences have ridden the gr?
> if wes is the 1st, will that mean nc randonneurs have completed all
> the 1200ks in the usa ?
> if so, we should throw a party. if not, maybe we should throw a party
> anyway?
>
> how hot does it get in that area in july ?
>
> On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 11:06 AM, <wesjj@...> wrote:
>> The sign up is available and is capped at 175 riders. I signed up last
>> week and I was 18th and its already up to 80.
>>
>> http://davisbikeclub.org/goldrush/index.htm
>>
>> Wes
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>

------------------------------------

Yahoo! Groups Links

there's a 1200km in PA?
if its RM sanctioned, RUSA needs an update of the "longer brevets"
page.  http://www.rusa.org/1200kms.html

NC should establish our own virtual "grand livre" online recording nc
randonneurs accomplishments at 1200km+ events.
specs:
- plain html table ok (its not big enough, or changing often enough,
to need a database app)
- full name (gender)
- event
- year
- time/dnf
- distance
- team/division
- link to write-up & photos
- link to official event results, if online
- bike type (tandem, single speed, bent, trike, fixed, etc.)
- weather?

e.g.:

| Richard Lawrence (M) | RAAM | 1998 | 9d1h7m | 2906mi | (4) 70+ |
[write-up] | [results] | softride | 56F-90F |



On Sat, Oct 4, 2008 at 3:28 PM, Phelps, Jerry (NIH/NIEHS) [E]
<phelps@...> wrote:
> Miserably hot.
>
> I am thinking of doing the Endless Mountains 1200 in PA. why? Because
> it's there and I'm stupid.
>
> A party is a good idea anytime.
>
> jp
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Adrian Hands [mailto:HandsAdrian@...]
> Sent: Friday, October 03, 2008 5:58 PM
> To: ncrandoncyclists@yahoogroups.com
> Cc: Gilbert Anderson
> Subject: Re: [ncrandoncyclists] Gold Rush sign up
>
> will that make wes the first nc randonneur to ride the gold rush?
> maybe the lawrences have ridden the gr?
> if wes is the 1st, will that mean nc randonneurs have completed all
> the 1200ks in the usa ?
> if so, we should throw a party. if not, maybe we should throw a party
> anyway?
>
> how hot does it get in that area in july ?
>
> On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 11:06 AM, <wesjj@...> wrote:
>> The sign up is available and is capped at 175 riders. I signed up last
>> week and I was 18th and its already up to 80.
>>
>> http://davisbikeclub.org/goldrush/index.htm
>>
>> Wes
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>

Miserably hot.

I am thinking of doing the Endless Mountains 1200 in PA.  why?  Because
it's there and I'm stupid.

A party is a good idea anytime.

jp

-----Original Message-----
From: Adrian Hands [mailto:HandsAdrian@...]
Sent: Friday, October 03, 2008 5:58 PM
To: ncrandoncyclists@yahoogroups.com
Cc: Gilbert Anderson
Subject: Re: [ncrandoncyclists] Gold Rush sign up

will that make wes the first nc randonneur to ride the gold rush?
maybe the lawrences have ridden the gr?
if wes is the 1st, will that mean nc randonneurs have completed all
the 1200ks in the usa ?
if so, we should throw a party.  if not, maybe we should throw a party
anyway?

how hot does it get in that area in july ?

On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 11:06 AM,  <wesjj@...> wrote:
> The sign up is available and is capped at 175 riders. I signed up last
> week and I was 18th and its already up to 80.
>
> http://davisbikeclub.org/goldrush/index.htm
>
> Wes

------------------------------------

Yahoo! Groups Links

will that make wes the first nc randonneur to ride the gold rush?
maybe the lawrences have ridden the gr?
if wes is the 1st, will that mean nc randonneurs have completed all
the 1200ks in the usa ?
if so, we should throw a party.  if not, maybe we should throw a party anyway?

how hot does it get in that area in july ?

On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 11:06 AM,  <wesjj@...> wrote:
> The sign up is available and is capped at 175 riders. I signed up last
> week and I was 18th and its already up to 80.
>
> http://davisbikeclub.org/goldrush/index.htm
>
> Wes

The sign up is available and is capped at 175 riders. I signed up last
week and I was 18th and its already up to 80.

http://davisbikeclub.org/goldrush/index.htm

Wes

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