Rain or shine :) We'll have a tent to hide and fight  under if the rain is
too bad


>From: Mac Again <planes_and_trains@...>
>Reply-To: naacl@yahoogroups.com
>To: naacl@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: RE: [naacl] Re: Weekend of Medieval tournaments!
>Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 12:15:04 -0700 (PDT)
>
>Is the tournament rain-or-shine?  Or will there be an alternate day or
>location if things are wet?
>
>Jeremy Oneail <oneail@...> wrote:  It will be great to meet you!
>Definatly come up and say hi!
>
>Why spectators though? The padded longsword has no armour requirements....
>;)
>
>
> >From: "Sir John"
> >Reply-To: naacl@yahoogroups.com
> >To: naacl@yahoogroups.com
> >Subject: [naacl] Re: Weekend of Medieval tournaments!
> >Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 14:21:58 -0000
> >
> >Greetings
> > Hopefully a couple of us from the Neville's will be coming down to
> >check out the tourney (as spectators though :0( )...Sounds fun !!!
> >
> > Sir John
> >
> >--- In naacl@yahoogroups.com, "Jeremy Oneail" wrote:
> > >
> > > I am pleased to announce that we will be holding a weekend of
> > > medieval tournaments at A Call to Arms III! It is May 13th and
> >14th
> > > at Winnekenni Castle in Haverhill, Massachusetts.
> > >
> > > May 13th is the Day of the sword and we will hold the following
> > > tournaments:
> > > Padded longsword, aluminum longsword, wooden longsword, steel
> > > longsword, no holds barred steel longsword, Scottish singlestick,
> > > and cut and thrust rapier.
> > >
> > > May 14th will be the day of the Equestrian and we will hold the
> > > following tourneys:
> > > Squire games, which include – sword games, spear games and lance
> > > games, plus competitive balsa jousting!
> > >
> > > Silvermane LTD sponsors all tournament prizes.
> > >
> > > Rules, regulations and more details can be found at:
> > > http://www.knightlyarts.com/text/calltoarms2.html
> > >
> > > Questions may be sent to:
> > > oneail@...
> > >
> > > Hope to see you there!
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
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It will be great to meet you! Definatly come up and say hi!

Why spectators though? The padded longsword has no armour requirements....
;)


>From: "Sir John"
>Reply-To: naacl@yahoogroups.com
>To: naacl@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [naacl] Re: Weekend of Medieval tournaments!
>Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 14:21:58 -0000
>
>Greetings
> Hopefully a couple of us from the Neville's will be coming down to
>check out the tourney (as spectators though :0( )...Sounds fun !!!
>
> Sir John
>
>--- In naacl@yahoogroups.com, "Jeremy Oneail" wrote:
> >
> > I am pleased to announce that we will be holding a weekend of
> > medieval tournaments at A Call to Arms III! It is May 13th and
>14th
> > at Winnekenni Castle in Haverhill, Massachusetts.
> >
> > May 13th is the Day of the sword and we will hold the following
> > tournaments:
> > Padded longsword, aluminum longsword, wooden longsword, steel
> > longsword, no holds barred steel longsword, Scottish singlestick,
> > and cut and thrust rapier.
> >
> > May 14th will be the day of the Equestrian and we will hold the
> > following tourneys:
> > Squire games, which include – sword games, spear games and lance
> > games, plus competitive balsa jousting!
> >
> > Silvermane LTD sponsors all tournament prizes.
> >
> > Rules, regulations and more details can be found at:
> > http://www.knightlyarts.com/text/calltoarms2.html
> >
> > Questions may be sent to:
> > oneail@...
> >
> > Hope to see you there!
> >
>
>
>
>





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The Padded Longsword Tournament has had it's age minimum requirement dropped
from 18 to 15!

Minor's competing in the tournament must have a printed out and signed
waiver to be able to compete. The waiver is found here:
http://www.knightlyarts.com/text/rules/minorwaiver.html

The Padded tounrament starts at 10am Saturday May 13th. Hope to see you all
there!

For more information about the rules and tounrament times, please go to:
http://www.knightlyarts.com/text/calltoarms2.html

Jeremy

Ok, I'm trying to loosly organise a non official practice on sundays
from around 11 am until people are too pooped to party. It's not
exactly an SCA practice.. People from my school will be there and
they will be practicing with everything from heavy bofferswords, to
aluminum longswords and single sticks. Maybe even full armour and
steel swords... There is plenty of room for rattan fighting,
fencing, youth fighting and sidesword.

No one will be in charge of it. Come if you want. Stay home if you
want.. Join our yahoo group-
http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/academyofknightlyarts/
to let people know if you will be there and what you would like to
practice. There is no cost since we will provide... nothing! :P
There wont even be official cancellations. If it looks like rain,
dont show up!

If we practice in the first field next to the lake near the tennis
courts, we should have facilities available to us.. I'll post on the
Academy website as soon as I know for sure.

To get there, get to exit 52 from 495 going north. Take a left off
the ramp. Winnekenni castle is about a mile down on the right.
You'll see a playground there from the road behind a small stone
wall... We should be just past that.

Garb is encouraged! :)


>From: "Sir John" <knightz1@...>
>Reply-To: naacl@yahoogroups.com
>To: naacl@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [naacl] Re: Weekend of Medieval tournaments!
>Date: Mon, 01 May 2006 13:40:05 -0000
>
>We will have to see..managed to wrench my back pretty good yesterday
>so we will have to see how well it heals by then...regardless I hope
>to be there...I am assuming coming in garb is more than appropriate??
>
>
>--- In naacl@yahoogroups.com, "Jeremy Oneail" <oneail@...> wrote:
> >
> > It will be great to meet you! Definatly come up and say hi!
> >
> > Why spectators though? The padded longsword has no armour
>requirements....
> > ;)
> >
> >
> > >From: "Sir John" <knightz1@...>
> > >Reply-To: naacl@yahoogroups.com
> > >To: naacl@yahoogroups.com
> > >Subject: [naacl] Re: Weekend of Medieval tournaments!
> > >Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 14:21:58 -0000
> > >
> > >Greetings
> > >   Hopefully a couple of us from the Neville's will be coming
>down to
> > >check out the tourney (as spectators though :0( )...Sounds fun !!!
> > >
> > >    Sir John
> > >
> > >--- In naacl@yahoogroups.com, "Jeremy Oneail" <oneail@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I am pleased to announce that we will be holding a weekend of
> > > > medieval tournaments at A Call to Arms III! It is May 13th and
> > >14th
> > > > at Winnekenni Castle in Haverhill, Massachusetts.
> > > >
> > > > May 13th is the Day of the sword and we will hold the following
> > > > tournaments:
> > > > Padded longsword, aluminum longsword, wooden longsword, steel
> > > > longsword, no holds barred steel longsword, Scottish
>singlestick,
> > > > and cut and thrust rapier.
> > > >
> > > > May 14th will be the day of the Equestrian and we will hold the
> > > > following tourneys:
> > > > Squire games, which include – sword games, spear games and
>lance
> > > > games, plus competitive balsa jousting!
> > > >
> > > > Silvermane LTD sponsors all tournament prizes.
> > > >
> > > > Rules, regulations and more details can be found at:
> > > > http://www.knightlyarts.com/text/calltoarms2.html
> > > >
> > > > Questions may be sent to:
> > > > oneail@
> > > >
> > > > Hope to see you there!
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>
>
>
>

We will have to see..managed to wrench my back pretty good yesterday
so we will have to see how well it heals by then...regardless I hope
to be there...I am assuming coming in garb is more than appropriate??


--- In naacl@yahoogroups.com, "Jeremy Oneail" <oneail@...> wrote:
>
> It will be great to meet you! Definatly come up and say hi!
>
> Why spectators though? The padded longsword has no armour
requirements....
> ;)
>
>
> >From: "Sir John" <knightz1@...>
> >Reply-To: naacl@yahoogroups.com
> >To: naacl@yahoogroups.com
> >Subject: [naacl] Re: Weekend of Medieval tournaments!
> >Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 14:21:58 -0000
> >
> >Greetings
> >   Hopefully a couple of us from the Neville's will be coming
down to
> >check out the tourney (as spectators though :0( )...Sounds fun !!!
> >
> >    Sir John
> >
> >--- In naacl@yahoogroups.com, "Jeremy Oneail" <oneail@> wrote:
> > >
> > > I am pleased to announce that we will be holding a weekend of
> > > medieval tournaments at A Call to Arms III! It is May 13th and
> >14th
> > > at Winnekenni Castle in Haverhill, Massachusetts.
> > >
> > > May 13th is the Day of the sword and we will hold the following
> > > tournaments:
> > > Padded longsword, aluminum longsword, wooden longsword, steel
> > > longsword, no holds barred steel longsword, Scottish
singlestick,
> > > and cut and thrust rapier.
> > >
> > > May 14th will be the day of the Equestrian and we will hold the
> > > following tourneys:
> > > Squire games, which include – sword games, spear games and
lance
> > > games, plus competitive balsa jousting!
> > >
> > > Silvermane LTD sponsors all tournament prizes.
> > >
> > > Rules, regulations and more details can be found at:
> > > http://www.knightlyarts.com/text/calltoarms2.html
> > >
> > > Questions may be sent to:
> > > oneail@
> > >
> > > Hope to see you there!
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

It will be great to meet you! Definatly come up and say hi!

Why spectators though? The padded longsword has no armour requirements....
;)


>From: "Sir John" <knightz1@...>
>Reply-To: naacl@yahoogroups.com
>To: naacl@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [naacl] Re: Weekend of Medieval tournaments!
>Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 14:21:58 -0000
>
>Greetings
>   Hopefully a couple of us from the Neville's will be coming down to
>check out the tourney (as spectators though :0( )...Sounds fun !!!
>
>    Sir John
>
>--- In naacl@yahoogroups.com, "Jeremy Oneail" <oneail@...> wrote:
> >
> > I am pleased to announce that we will be holding a weekend of
> > medieval tournaments at A Call to Arms III! It is May 13th and
>14th
> > at Winnekenni Castle in Haverhill, Massachusetts.
> >
> > May 13th is the Day of the sword and we will hold the following
> > tournaments:
> > Padded longsword, aluminum longsword, wooden longsword, steel
> > longsword, no holds barred steel longsword, Scottish singlestick,
> > and cut and thrust rapier.
> >
> > May 14th will be the day of the Equestrian and we will hold the
> > following tourneys:
> > Squire games, which include – sword games, spear games and lance
> > games, plus competitive balsa jousting!
> >
> > Silvermane LTD sponsors all tournament prizes.
> >
> > Rules, regulations and more details can be found at:
> > http://www.knightlyarts.com/text/calltoarms2.html
> >
> > Questions may be sent to:
> > oneail@...
> >
> > Hope to see you there!
> >
>
>
>
>

Greetings
   Hopefully a couple of us from the Neville's will be coming down to
check out the tourney (as spectators though :0( )...Sounds fun !!!

    Sir John

--- In naacl@yahoogroups.com, "Jeremy Oneail" <oneail@...> wrote:
>
> I am pleased to announce that we will be holding a weekend of
> medieval tournaments at A Call to Arms III! It is May 13th and
14th
> at Winnekenni Castle in Haverhill, Massachusetts.
>
> May 13th is the Day of the sword and we will hold the following
> tournaments:
> Padded longsword, aluminum longsword, wooden longsword, steel
> longsword, no holds barred steel longsword, Scottish singlestick,
> and cut and thrust rapier.
>
> May 14th will be the day of the Equestrian and we will hold the
> following tourneys:
> Squire games, which include – sword games, spear games and lance
> games, plus competitive balsa jousting!
>
> Silvermane LTD sponsors all tournament prizes.
>
> Rules, regulations and more details can be found at:
> http://www.knightlyarts.com/text/calltoarms2.html
>
> Questions may be sent to:
> oneail@...
>
> Hope to see you there!
>

Answers below -


>DUEL, only one point needed to win, but with two wins against that opponent
>to win the round, right?

Correct - except that we count losses not wins so both people can lose if
they double hit. This is to encourage good swordsmanship.

Is there thrusting allowed?

No - too dangerous. It was even excluded in many later medieval tourneys.

Fighting at
>half-sword disallowed?  Half-sword being only allowed in defensive manuvers
>would be good.

Halfswording is legal. You may grab your own blade but not your opponants.

>10 STRIKES,  I take it that feining is at the Marshall's discretion if it
>is
>a swing or not.

Correct

>TIME FIGHT,  Is the fight stopped to recognize each point?

No

If so, it will
>take a long time, if not, than there may be different scores from each
>marshall.  Maybe take the average of the scores.

Upto the marshals but will probably have one marshal keeping track of one
fighter's hits.

Easy markings to
>distinguish between fighters, such as ribbons etc.

Yup, armbands - possibly

>Fight until the whistle.  When the whistle blows -you stop.

Whistle, horn, explosion... whatever we decide.
>
>HERO PIT- please elaborate.

Everyone lines up. the first person steps into the designated fighting
arena. The next person in line enters and they fight a duel. The winner
stays in the arena and the loser goes to the back of the line. The next
combattant in line steps in and fights the winner of the previous duel. When
every contestant has had at least 3 fights in the arena, that tourney is
over. The person with the most victorys wins.
>
>TEAM DUEL,  So, the team takes the bracket position as a unit, the team
>then
>either moves on or gets eliminated as a team. Right?
>-I like it.
>
Yup. Like modern martial arts competitions.

>BRIDGE,  do doel rules also apply or is it just to be cleared off of the
>bridge?  Same disallowments as duel?  or is there grappling to get them off
>of the bridge?
>
Same rules as duel. No pushing.
>
>What kind of tournaments can and must be held?  Can I run just an
>individual
>tournament or does there have to be team contests?  How many different
>events constitute a tournament-is there a minimum?

I'm thinking all different styles must be done at a tourney. Yes, it could
just be individual ones or just team, but if you choose one catagory, you
must do all tourneys.
>
>Point standings should be per event ex. someone could be first in points in
>the duel catagory but forth in the hero pit.  There should be a 'Grand
>Knight' standing- average of someones points with a minimum of three
>catagories ex. duel, hero pit, and 10 strikes.  If they have all four, it
>is
>still the average of all of them, not their top three.

Correct. We can probably have averages of standings in each individual
tourny style, but only overall placings will be considered.

Individual points
>should not be linked to team points.

Correctamundo
>
>Can a team have more than four members, but only enter four per tournament?

Yes. Only teams of 4 may enter. One group could enter 2 teams of 4 if they
wished, or more if they have the people but each one is considered a
different team. They may have one listed standin in case someone gets hurt.
If another gets hurt, they may withdraw or continue a person down.

>If so, do they have to be the same four?  My thoughts are that not all
>members will be able to make it every time.  Can you adopt a stand-in if
>your team is short a combatant?  If so, that 'stand-in' cannot be currently
>competeing for another team in that same tourny.

See above.

>Four with optional stand-ins sounds like the way to go.  Teams must consist
>of four members.  In the event that a team is found short a combatant at an
>event, the may choose to elect a fourth member as a 'stand-in'.  A
>combatant
>may only be a member of one team annualy; save for a regional 'Champions
>Team'.
>
Dont really care if someone bops from team to team. It's only the teams that
get the points not the individual person. They wouldnt be able to be in
multiple teams in a single tournament though...

>hmmmmm.........
>
>

Any more questions?

DUEL, only one point needed to win, but with two wins against that opponent
to win the round, right?  Is there thrusting allowed?  Fighting at
half-sword disallowed?  Half-sword being only allowed in defensive manuvers
would be good.

10 STRIKES,  I take it that feining is at the Marshall's discretion if it is
a swing or not.

TIME FIGHT,  Is the fight stopped to recognize each point?  If so, it will
take a long time, if not, than there may be different scores from each
marshall.  Maybe take the average of the scores.  Easy markings to
distinguish between fighters, such as ribbons etc.
Fight until the whistle.  When the whistle blows -you stop.

HERO PIT- please elaborate.

TEAM DUEL,  So, the team takes the bracket position as a unit, the team then
either moves on or gets eliminated as a team. Right?
-I like it.

BRIDGE,  do doel rules also apply or is it just to be cleared off of the
bridge?  Same disallowments as duel?  or is there grappling to get them off
of the bridge?


What kind of tournaments can and must be held?  Can I run just an individual
tournament or does there have to be team contests?  How many different
events constitute a tournament-is there a minimum?

Point standings should be per event ex. someone could be first in points in
the duel catagory but forth in the hero pit.  There should be a 'Grand
Knight' standing- average of someones points with a minimum of three
catagories ex. duel, hero pit, and 10 strikes.  If they have all four, it is
still the average of all of them, not their top three.  Individual points
should not be linked to team points.

Can a team have more than four members, but only enter four per tournament?
If so, do they have to be the same four?  My thoughts are that not all
members will be able to make it every time.  Can you adopt a stand-in if
your team is short a combatant?  If so, that 'stand-in' cannot be currently
competeing for another team in that same tourny.
Four with optional stand-ins sounds like the way to go.  Teams must consist
of four members.  In the event that a team is found short a combatant at an
event, the may choose to elect a fourth member as a 'stand-in'.  A combatant
may only be a member of one team annualy; save for a regional 'Champions
Team'.

hmmmmm.........

Yeah, give me a few.
I'll get back to you.

Individual Tourney styles

Tournament style will be determined by number of combatants
4 combatants and under – round robin – each combatant will have a
bout with each other combatant
5 or more – Double elimination


Duel: Victory- strike opponent on head
strike opponent on torso
2 strikes to any limb
First combatant to be defeated in two bouts will loose the round
Combatants will be allowed to loose two rounds before removal from
the tournament
Disallowed: grappling
striking with the body
blows to the foot (if foot is lifted from the ground and struck, it
will be counted as a limb shot)
blows to the groin
use of excessive force
striking with the flat, guard, or pommel, of the sword
arguing with the marshal
dishonorable behavior (discression of the marshal)


10 strikes: First attacker determined by coin flip. Attacker gets 10
swings to hit the defender. Defender may only defend. Any swing that
the marshals feel went more than 45 degrees from attacker may be
considered a swing even if contact wasn't made. Target locations are
as duel. After completion of 10 swings, attacker becomes defender
and defender becomes the attacker. Winner is combatant with most
successful strikes.


Time Limit: 2-minute rounds – single elim? Each good strike counts
as one point. Victor is the combatant with the most points at the
end of the time limit.

Hero pit: Hold the field until each competitor has had at least 3
engagements. Duel rules.


Team Tournament Styles

A Team will consist of 4 combatants
Tournament style will be determined by number of teams
4 teams and under – round robin – each team will have a bout with
each other team
5 or more – Double elimination

Bridge: Each team will field 2, 2 man teams. This will be the only
multiple combatant scenario. The bridge will be 12 feet wide and 20
feet long. Combatants stepping off the bridge will be
considered "dead"

Sword Gather: Must follow a preset roster. Duels fought until one
team has no more swords.

Relay: Each team recycles at a hero bridge for 5 minutes, one
combatant at a time. Duel rules

Team Duel: Each team will take turns announcing their competitor.
I.e.: Team winning the coin toss may choose to announce first or
second. They are now team A. Lets say they choose to announce first.
Team B then chooses who will fight in a duel scenario with the
combatant announced by team A. Next round team B must announce
first. Each combatant may only be used in a team duel once a match.


Thoughts?

Let them come up with their own names it will keep it interesting.  Just lay
out the guidelines for what each group must conform to along with minimum
and maximum sizes etc.

I guess this goes against me saying setting up regions.... I guess I'm
thinking regions in the long run, but right now I think we'd be too small :)


>From: "Jeremy Oneail" <oneail@...>
>Reply-To: naacl@yahoogroups.com
>To: naacl@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [naacl] Re: Okay now we have a yahoo group...
>Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 14:28:22 -0000
>
>Hells yes! There would be interest!
>
>Anyways, the way I am seeing NAACL is that there are no formal
>guidelines as to formal groups. All the area would need is registered
>combattants and those combattants must conform to the rules and
>regulations of NAACL while practicing it. Then those combattants can
>feel free to form teams of 4 for the team competitions - rules to be
>posted soon ;).
>
>What would people think is an appropriate name for regional groups?
>Team
>Guild
>Company
>Do we need to even set a name?
>
>
>--- In naacl@yahoogroups.com, "Rick" <threeallisons@...> wrote:
> >
> > Okay gang, we have a Yahoo group and a tourny in May.  Unfortunately
> > financs do not allow me to travel to the tourny.
> >
> > But what are the requirements for setting up a branch or salle for
>the
> > NAACL in the DC/Baltimore area?
> >
> > Would there be interest in a tourny down this way?
> >
> > Squire Allison
> >
>
>
>
>

Ok, since people dont seem to have any comments about rules,
memberships and stuff, I personally will make decisions on them. Speak
now of forever hold your peace.

I will be posting rules for the allowed tourney styles soon.

Jeremy

Hells yes! There would be interest!

Anyways, the way I am seeing NAACL is that there are no formal
guidelines as to formal groups. All the area would need is registered
combattants and those combattants must conform to the rules and
regulations of NAACL while practicing it. Then those combattants can
feel free to form teams of 4 for the team competitions - rules to be
posted soon ;).

What would people think is an appropriate name for regional groups?
Team
Guild
Company
Do we need to even set a name?


--- In naacl@yahoogroups.com, "Rick" <threeallisons@...> wrote:
>
> Okay gang, we have a Yahoo group and a tourny in May.  Unfortunately
> financs do not allow me to travel to the tourny.
>
> But what are the requirements for setting up a branch or salle for
the
> NAACL in the DC/Baltimore area?
>
> Would there be interest in a tourny down this way?
>
> Squire Allison
>

NAACL IS just steel fighting. We run other tournaments at a Call to
Arms to get more competitors exposed to other styles :)

I'm not sure how we will work NAACL.. we might just be testing the
rules without formal scoring. If everything works out.. then we
officially start the league!

Jeremy


--- In naacl@yahoogroups.com, "michael nericcio" <mnericcio@...>
wrote:
>
>
> I certainly agree with membership dues.  My only question is, what
about for
> the upcoming Call to Arms tournament?  There was not a required
membership
> for the first two events.  People might not be ready to shell out
an extra
> $20-.
> I think keeping NAACL to just steel armoured combat is the way to
go.  There
> is no reason, however, not to have other events running along with
it.  The
> other events just lead up to the points matches.  It will also
help draw
> people in and get them going in the right direction.
>
> Mike
>

Hey, just spotted some nice steel arms and legs for sale on the Sword Forum.
Just thought I'd pass it along.
Mike

Okay gang, we have a Yahoo group and a tourny in May.  Unfortunately
financs do not allow me to travel to the tourny.

But what are the requirements for setting up a branch or salle for the
NAACL in the DC/Baltimore area?

Would there be interest in a tourny down this way?

Squire Allison

I certainly agree with membership dues.  My only question is, what about for
the upcoming Call to Arms tournament?  There was not a required membership
for the first two events.  People might not be ready to shell out an extra
$20-.
I think keeping NAACL to just steel armoured combat is the way to go.  There
is no reason, however, not to have other events running along with it.  The
other events just lead up to the points matches.  It will also help draw
people in and get them going in the right direction.

Mike

You bring up some great points and I hope that when I get back in two weeks
(yes I am starting off major discussions and then leaving with no internet
access :P ) I will be reading a bunch of well thought out letters.

I do want to point out one thing though, NAACL, will be focused on steel
swords and full armor tournament bouts. The other forms that we cover are
just for the Call to Arms tourney so we can get more people exposed to what
everyone else is doing.

When we get our website going, we'll have a statement of purpose and very
defined rules.

I agree that paying a membership fee, people will expect something.
Hopefully, that even though the rewards for doing so, may be slightly
abstract, they will see the benefits. I am more than willing to fit the bill
for insurance and webfees and other various and sundry costs now so that we
can get this off of the ground but I can only do so much for so long.
Hopefully we will get this off the ground and with the help of people like
you, we will get this going so it may support itself in no time.

I can tell you right now some of the plans that are already in place for the
future.
- International tournaments at high profile venues
- Videos and possibly tv coverage
- Olympics... thats right.. olympics.. we have the forms.. we are getting
the numbers... why the hell not! Curling is an olympic sport!

So you can see, we are aiming pretty high, but as I said before, we cant do
it ourself. The outcome of this endevour will rest soly on the shoulders of
the people who are joining now.

Lets get this bastard going! :)

Jeremy


>From: yahoo_group@...
>Reply-To: naacl@yahoogroups.com
>To: naacl@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [naacl] Memberships
>Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 21:19:14 -0500
>
>On Sat, Mar 25, 2006 at 07:08:44PM -0000, Jeremy Oneail wrote:
> > Should there be a membership fee? Websites dont get done by magic or
> > for free. Then there is paperwork involved... I'm thinking that a $20
> > a year fee should be inplace. That would also get you access to
> > members only areas of the soon to come website and an online
> > newsletter.
> >
> > Now the question comes about commbattants. Should non members be able
> > to compete in NAACL tournaments? If they do, do they get a ranking? If
> > they dont have a ranking would thier numbers still go towards actual
> > members point totals?
> >
> > I'm leaning towards everyone competing in a NAACL tournament having to
> > be a member. I think that will help simplify things, help support the
> > organization and just make things easier overall.
> >
> > Comments and questions?
> >
>
>First off... thanks for doing something. Thanks for organizing, getting
>things together and trying to get something going.
>
>Now as to membership... I'd ask myself "Why am I becoming a 'member' of
>this group? Why do I want to pay money into this thing? What do I get?"
>and most importantly "What the hell is this group about?"
>
>I'd have to suggest that whatever you think you want NAACL to be, to
>start writing it down and setting some goals for the group. What do you
>want to do with it? who's the target audience? And answering of those
>questions as I mentioned above.
>
>And you seem to be asking people for their opinions in that now.
>
>What I've seen in the WMA community is that a lot of groups have
>different rules because the leaders of the groups, small as they usually
>are and generally led by one or two people, have an idea of what they
>want their groups to be. I'm not saying this is either good or bad, but
>it does seem to be how things are run in many of the small groups.
>
>Perhaps a clearing house of info, a coordination center for what people
>are doing, how people are training etc, would be a good focus. And
>hosting the 'off-season' tournaments would be at least one good event to
>hold. As so many of the WMA community is involved in something on the
>stage and we rely on lots of good weather stuff, off season seems the
>best bet.
>
>I like seeing that you've so many forms on the 'list' (pun intended!)
>for the tourney. Seems like everyone from the more traditional fencers
>through to the full kit live steel noholds barred sparks a flyin' folks
>can find something to do. Heck, even LARPers can play! :)
>
>Given the right focus, I think that NAACL could become something very
>good.
>
>I'm looking forward to seeing what you'll (or more than you, we?) can do
>with it. And after all, without some kind of group being involved in the
>management of all of it, it doesn't really show much promise of becoming
>more than another of the small local things.
>
>Keep asking, hopefully more than just I will keep answering. :)  Of
>course, it's the weekend, so who knows who'll get this before the end of
>the weekend.
>
>j

On Sat, Mar 25, 2006 at 07:08:44PM -0000, Jeremy Oneail wrote:
> Should there be a membership fee? Websites dont get done by magic or
> for free. Then there is paperwork involved... I'm thinking that a $20
> a year fee should be inplace. That would also get you access to
> members only areas of the soon to come website and an online
> newsletter.
>
> Now the question comes about commbattants. Should non members be able
> to compete in NAACL tournaments? If they do, do they get a ranking? If
> they dont have a ranking would thier numbers still go towards actual
> members point totals?
>
> I'm leaning towards everyone competing in a NAACL tournament having to
> be a member. I think that will help simplify things, help support the
> organization and just make things easier overall.
>
> Comments and questions?
>

First off... thanks for doing something. Thanks for organizing, getting
things together and trying to get something going.

Now as to membership... I'd ask myself "Why am I becoming a 'member' of
this group? Why do I want to pay money into this thing? What do I get?"
and most importantly "What the hell is this group about?"

I'd have to suggest that whatever you think you want NAACL to be, to
start writing it down and setting some goals for the group. What do you
want to do with it? who's the target audience? And answering of those
questions as I mentioned above.

And you seem to be asking people for their opinions in that now.

What I've seen in the WMA community is that a lot of groups have
different rules because the leaders of the groups, small as they usually
are and generally led by one or two people, have an idea of what they
want their groups to be. I'm not saying this is either good or bad, but
it does seem to be how things are run in many of the small groups.

Perhaps a clearing house of info, a coordination center for what people
are doing, how people are training etc, would be a good focus. And
hosting the 'off-season' tournaments would be at least one good event to
hold. As so many of the WMA community is involved in something on the
stage and we rely on lots of good weather stuff, off season seems the
best bet.

I like seeing that you've so many forms on the 'list' (pun intended!)
for the tourney. Seems like everyone from the more traditional fencers
through to the full kit live steel noholds barred sparks a flyin' folks
can find something to do. Heck, even LARPers can play! :)

Given the right focus, I think that NAACL could become something very
good.

I'm looking forward to seeing what you'll (or more than you, we?) can do
with it. And after all, without some kind of group being involved in the
management of all of it, it doesn't really show much promise of becoming
more than another of the small local things.

Keep asking, hopefully more than just I will keep answering. :)  Of
course, it's the weekend, so who knows who'll get this before the end of
the weekend.

j

Should there be a membership fee? Websites dont get done by magic or
for free. Then there is paperwork involved... I'm thinking that a $20
a year fee should be inplace. That would also get you access to
members only areas of the soon to come website and an online
newsletter.

Now the question comes about commbattants. Should non members be able
to compete in NAACL tournaments? If they do, do they get a ranking? If
they dont have a ranking would thier numbers still go towards actual
members point totals?

I'm leaning towards everyone competing in a NAACL tournament having to
be a member. I think that will help simplify things, help support the
organization and just make things easier overall.

Comments and questions?

Once we get rules and requirements all ironed out then lets talk about
organizing local chapters. Chapters would probably be regional, but
the size of the regions would have to be upto the demand. We'll have
chapter presidents and they will help keep the organization president
informed of activities going on in thier area.

Sound good?

Here is my proposed ranking system. What do people think?
The minimum number of competitors in a rankable tournament is 4. The
top 3 overall competitors get a point value depending on thier
placing, with everyone getting a minimum of 2 points just for
participating.
The points are-
8 points for first
6 points for second
4 points for third
2 points for everyone else

Bonus points:
Each participant will get one point for every person they end up
outplacing. For example, the person who comes in first place in the
smallest tournament allowed- 4 people- would get 3 bonus points. The
person who came in second would get 2 bonus point. Third, one bonus
point and fourth, none. But say we have a very large tournament
where we have 20 people. The person coming in first would get 19
bonus points. The person coming in fourth would get 16 bonus points.
The person coming in tenth would get 10 and so on. This would give
people more points for competing in larger tournaments.

Total scores:
Points for ranking + bonus points = your score
-Example for a person coming in first in a 10 person tournament:
8 points (for first place) + 9 points (number of competitors
outplaced)= 17 points for total score
-Example for person coming in 7th in same 10 man tournament:
2 points (minimum ranking score) + 3 points (number of competitors
outplaced) = 5 points total score
So even in the smallest 4 man tournament, a first place win would
get you 11 points while coming in last gets you at least 2.

Ranking:
The rankings will be determined by the average of a persons total
scores. So if a combattant gets 11 points in one tournament, 16
points in another, and only 2 in the last one, his ranking score
would be 9.67 (we will bring the scores to 2 decimal places,
rounding off the last decimal place)
Multiple competitors will be able to hold the same score and
therefore will have the same rank.

How does this sound to people? Any questions or suggestions?

I am pleased to announce that we will be holding a weekend of
medieval tournaments at A Call to Arms III! It is May 13th and 14th
at Winnekenni Castle in Haverhill, Massachusetts.

May 13th is the Day of the sword and we will hold the following
tournaments:
Padded longsword, aluminum longsword, wooden longsword, steel
longsword, no holds barred steel longsword, Scottish singlestick,
and cut and thrust rapier.

May 14th will be the day of the Equestrian and we will hold the
following tourneys:
Squire games, which include – sword games, spear games and lance
games, plus competitive balsa jousting!

Silvermane LTD sponsors all tournament prizes.

Rules, regulations and more details can be found at:
http://www.knightlyarts.com/text/calltoarms2.html

Questions may be sent to:
oneail@...

Hope to see you there!

Hi folks. Some of you know me already, John, up here in Maine. I've
trained with ATACC (atacc.org) and taught some basics classes up here in
Waterville before, but since I haven't had a kit and there are few
people around nearby, haven't gone much further.

I'm looking at having a kit by the end of the year and hope to start
fighting again soon. Hooray!

I know there's one other person in my area interested and hopefully he's
psyched (Hi John!) to have mroe armored people up in his neck of the
woods.

So, I'll mostly lurk for now, but will keep meeting up with my armorer
to see how progress goes on the kit.

Cheers.

j

Hello all,
I am an active SCA combatant as well as an experienced steel armoured
combatant.  I have trained with Lupo Sinclair's students at events in
Italy, as well as both training and sparring with the Cavalieri di
Ranaan Scoula de Spada in Milan Italy.  I am very interested in the
styles of Fiore and Tallhoffer.

I live in Maryland near DC.  Please let me know when or if any events
or tournements are scheduled for the near future.  Also how to
establish a group in Maryland.

Seanne Alansyn, esquire

Hello..
     I am John from the Neville Co. up here in Augusta,Maine. We are
a 15th C reenactment group and a chapter of the British Plate Armour
Society. We do live steel combat (although we only have 3 fighters
right now). I personly have been doing this stuff about 15 yrs ..I
also make armour. I have squired for the Canadian Joust team
(Knights of Valor) and was a member of the SCA (many moons ago). I
run a kids medieval  group with the local rec dept (boffer stuff).
The Nev's is a small but growing group (as Maine does not seem to
have alot of people into this stuff) and I don't fight as much as i
used to (or should) . Guess age catches up after a while.
    Even though I am not as good as I used to be I would still love
to compete for the shear fun of it. (hey it's all about the game for
me..).

John


--- In naacl@yahoogroups.com, "Jeremy Oneail" <oneail@...> wrote:
>
> Ok, first off, why doesnt everyone introduce themself so we know
> what everyone is bringing to the table.
>
> If you are a member of a rebated steel group already, lets get a
> link up to them and you can kind of act as the liason to them. The
> more the merrier, right?
>
> Me-
> My name is Jeremy Oneail. I run the Academy of Knightly Arts. I
> currently have 3 schools in 3 states where I teach medieval
Italian
> Longsword.
> The rest of my resume is as follows:
> Experience -
> 2005 - The Squire Games (New England Jousting Asociation) -
Champion
> of Lance
> 2005 - Call to Arms II (Academy of Knightly Arts) - Overall
Champion
> of the Sword
> 2005 - Call to Arms II (Academy of Knightly Arts) - Overall
Champion
> of Horse (hunting games)
> 2004 - International Sword and Martial Arts Convention (MacDonald
> Academy) - Winner of Single Stick Competition
> 2004 - Certified by Freelancers for Heavy jousting in 5 different
> styles
> 2004 - Hackaland (Hackamores) - Overall armoured combat champion
> 2004 - Tournament at Castle Moha (Hackamores) - Overall armoured
> combat champion
> 2004 - Call to Arms (Academy of Knightly Arts) - Overall Champion
of
> the Sword
> 2003 - National Broadsword Tournament ( Tri State Academy of the
> Sword) - Winner of Broadsword Competition
> 2003 - Knighted for excellence in combat by the Society for
Creative
> Anachronism
>
> I'm looking to start a larger venue for steel fighting. I dont
know
> what it's like around the rest of the country but here in the NE
we
> really dont have alot of people who do it.
>
> So lets get talking and lets get this thing started!
>
> Jeremy
>