--- Tom Rae <tom.rae@...> wrote:
>
> Joe has been unusually quiet as has the Balerno
> resident....

The Balerno resident is suffering from a cold and
hasn't been near a mountain bike for a couple of
weeks. :-(





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Would have been up for this, but:

1: Have no lights charged.
2: Bikes in bits. Get forks back today.
3: I'm on the sauce tonight.  :)

--- In mtbscotland@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Rae" <tom.rae@s...> wrote:
>
> As it says "on the tin".
>
> Tom
>
> PS Turbo ferrets excluded ;-)

--- In mtbscotland@yahoogroups.com, "Alan King" <alan.king@b...>
wrote:
> Have you seen the pic of him on the front of my website?   No
wonder he
> don't wanna come out to play ;o)

Alan

saw the pic but just because you have given up doesnt mean he has ;-)

Tom

Have you seen the pic of him on the front of my website?   No wonder he
don’t wanna come out to play ;o)

Alan King
Edinburgh, UK

http://www.mtbscotland.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk

"Sometimes when things seem to make no sense it's because you've missed
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point entirely."

-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Rae [mailto:tom.rae@...]
Sent: 03 February 2005 07:59
To: mtbscotland@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [mtbscotland] Re: Thursday Pentlands night ride - anyone?



--- In mtbscotland@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Lupton"
<thinkingengine@y...> wrote:
>
> --- In mtbscotland@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Rae" <tom.rae@s...> wrote:
> > Eek, that leaves me Ian and turbo ferret! Any other takers?
> >
> Me, maybe.

Chris, thats good though still no-one at my spped though! We could
do the route from Harlaw to Bonaly via Cubbiedean, up Puke hill,
down Phantoms and then over Maidens or the usual route the other way.

No sign of Dave (original) he does have lights? Surely he doesnt
depend on Alan for his fitness?? Joe has been unusually quiet as has
the Balerno resident....

Tom







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--- In mtbscotland@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Lupton"
<thinkingengine@y...> wrote:
>
> --- In mtbscotland@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Rae" <tom.rae@s...> wrote:
> > Eek, that leaves me Ian and turbo ferret! Any other takers?
> >
> Me, maybe.

Chris, thats good though still no-one at my spped though! We could
do the route from Harlaw to Bonaly via Cubbiedean, up Puke hill,
down Phantoms and then over Maidens or the usual route the other way.

No sign of Dave (original) he does have lights? Surely he doesnt
depend on Alan for his fitness?? Joe has been unusually quiet as has
the Balerno resident....

Tom

--- In mtbscotland@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Rae" <tom.rae@s...> wrote:
> Eek, that leaves me Ian and turbo ferret! Any other takers?
>
Me, maybe. Probably but how long I'm with you depends on the state of
this cassette.

Chris

--- In mtbscotland@yahoogroups.com, "dav_hamill" <david.hamill@r...>
wrote:
>
> Tom,
>
> Gonna have to pull out of tomorrow night. Denise has told me I'm
> taking her out.
>
> Oh well best not to argue really.

Eek, that leaves me Ian and turbo ferret! Any other takers?

Tom

Tom Rae wrote:

>--- In mtbscotland@yahoogroups.com, "oneill19712000" <john-maureen-
>oneill@j...> wrote:
>
>
>
>>that grants pic's added in now as well
>>
>>
>
>I see Grant subscribes to the "soft focus" school of photography;-)
>
>
>
It's more the "damn camera won't do what it's told" school.

>At least he subscribes which is more than me!
>
>Tom
>

Grant

Tom,

Gonna have to pull out of tomorrow night. Denise has told me I'm
taking her out.

Oh well best not to argue really.

Other Dave

--- In mtbscotland@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Rae" <tom.rae@s...> wrote:
>
> --- In mtbscotland@yahoogroups.com, "Hamill, David"
> <david.hamill@r...> wrote:
> > Tom,
> >
> > If you are gonna go in the snack wagon I wouldn't mind a lift.
> Cycling up
> > the Water of Leith in the dark isn't much fun.
>
> Dave
>
> If you can be at my place at 7.00 then no problem. I can drop you
> off there after the ride so you will need road lights to get to my
> place and home again afterwards.
>
> I dont recall posting a starting time but 7.30 at Harlaw sounds
> about right.
>
> Tom

--- In mtbscotland@yahoogroups.com, "Graeme Elliott" <d.g.elliott@d...
> wrote:
> 1 proper bike ride since xmas so turbo ferret probably won't apply!

Well that ride at GT where we bumped into each other was after xmas
and despite your sore foot you were still painfully fast...

Chris

will do unless this joiner coming round
7.30 at harlaw?






   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Tom Rae
   To: mtbscotland@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2005 12:46 PM
   Subject: [mtbscotland] Re: Thursday Pentlands night ride - anyone?



   --- In mtbscotland@yahoogroups.com, "Graeme Elliott"
   <d.g.elliott@d...> wrote:
   > cold nearly gone, foot sore again

   Graeme

   Glad to hear the cold has gone though a pity about the foot however
   it may mean we have a slight chance to keep up with you. Give the
   kitchen a rest and join us, you know it makes sense......

   Tom





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--- In mtbscotland@yahoogroups.com, "Graeme Elliott"
<d.g.elliott@d...> wrote:
> cold nearly gone, foot sore again

Graeme

Glad to hear the cold has gone though a pity about the foot however
it may mean we have a slight chance to keep up with you. Give the
kitchen a rest and join us, you know it makes sense......

Tom

cold nearly gone, foot sore again
fed up wrecking kitchen so may be out
1 proper bike ride since xmas so turbo ferret probably won't apply!
   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Chris Lupton
   To: mtbscotland@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2005 12:15 PM
   Subject: [mtbscotland] Re: Thursday Pentlands night ride - anyone?



   --- In mtbscotland@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Rae" <tom.rae@s...> wrote:
   >
   > As it says "on the tin".
   >
   Me. Maybe. It depends on what my cold does next and how tired/busy I
   am.

   > PS Turbo ferrets excluded ;-)

   I thought he was ill or doing DIY or something.

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--- In mtbscotland@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Rae" <tom.rae@s...> wrote:
>
> As it says "on the tin".
>
Me. Maybe. It depends on what my cold does next and how tired/busy I
am.

> PS Turbo ferrets excluded ;-)

I thought he was ill or doing DIY or something.

Chris

OK Tom thanks,

There is no way I could have made it up to Harlaw by 7.30 otherwise.

Other Dave


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> > If you are gonna go in the snack wagon I wouldn't mind a lift.
> Cycling up
> > the Water of Leith in the dark isn't much fun.
>
> Dave
>
> If you can be at my place at 7.00 then no problem. I can drop you
> off there after the ride so you will need road lights to get to my
> place and home again afterwards.
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> I dont recall posting a starting time but 7.30 at Harlaw sounds
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--- In mtbscotland@yahoogroups.com, "Hamill, David"
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> Tom,
>
> If you are gonna go in the snack wagon I wouldn't mind a lift.
Cycling up
> the Water of Leith in the dark isn't much fun.

Dave

If you can be at my place at 7.00 then no problem. I can drop you
off there after the ride so you will need road lights to get to my
place and home again afterwards.

I dont recall posting a starting time but 7.30 at Harlaw sounds
about right.

Tom

me.

where, what time?

Iain

--- In mtbscotland@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Rae" <tom.rae@s...> wrote:
>
> As it says "on the tin".
>
> Tom
>
> PS Turbo ferrets excluded ;-)

Tom,

If you are gonna go in the snack wagon I wouldn't mind a lift. Cycling up
the Water of Leith in the dark isn't much fun.

Other Dave

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tom Rae [SMTP:tom.rae@...]
> Sent: 02 February 2005 11:23
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> --- In mtbscotland@yahoogroups.com, "Hamill, David"
> <david.hamill@r...> wrote:
> > Tom,
> >
> > I'd be up for it if I could borrow your other lights. Are you
> cycling up
> > from your place?
>
> Dave
>
> I was not planning to cycle up - no snack wagon then! I can bring
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--- In mtbscotland@yahoogroups.com, "Hamill, David"
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> Tom,
>
> I'd be up for it if I could borrow your other lights. Are you
cycling up
> from your place?

Dave

I was not planning to cycle up - no snack wagon then! I can bring
the lights and battery.

Tom

Tom,

I'd be up for it if I could borrow your other lights. Are you cycling up
from your place?

Other Dave

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mark Lister [SMTP:marklister@...]
> Sent: 02 February 2005 10:59
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> Turbo ferrets - nice!
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> On 2 Feb 2005, at 08:11, Tom Rae wrote:
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I'm occupied unfortunately.

Turbo ferrets - nice!

Mark

On 2 Feb 2005, at 08:11, Tom Rae wrote:

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--- In mtbscotland@yahoogroups.com, "oneill19712000" <john-maureen-
oneill@j...> wrote:

> that grants pic's added in now as well

I see Grant subscribes to the "soft focus" school of photography;-)

At least he subscribes which is more than me!

Tom

--- In mtbscotland@yahoogroups.com, "oneill19712000" <john-maureen-
oneill@j...> wrote:
>
> --- In mtbscotland@yahoogroups.com, "oneill19712000" <john-maureen-
> oneill@j...> wrote:
> >
> > pic's up on:
> >
> > http://mysite.wanadoo-members.co.uk/johnsbikes/index.html
> >
> > click:
> > pic's page > Pitmedden jan05
> >
> > john
> >
>
> that's the vids up as well
>
> click on videos :-) I put them up as windows media player files as
> it compressed the original mpg files with not much loss in quality
>
> john

that grants pic's added in now as well

john

As it says "on the tin".

Tom

PS Turbo ferrets excluded ;-)

--- In mtbscotland@yahoogroups.com, "neilccox" <neilccox@o...> wrote:
>
> I've heard mention that a good way to get rebound damping set is
to
> lay a ladder on the ground and ride along it. Have the rebound
> damping set as slow as possible without the fork "packing down"
over
> the bumps - ie. the rebound is so slow that it doesn't have time
to
> come back up before the next hit and the fork eventually reaches
the
> bottom of it's travel.

Neil

Thanks I read that one too. I just want to try them out and see if I
have indeed set it correctly, it feels fine.

Tom

--- In mtbscotland@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Lupton"
<thinkingengine@y...> wrote:
>
> --- In mtbscotland@yahoogroups.com, "moray_cuthill"
<moray.cuthill@v..
> .> wrote:
> > There's then the SPV Evolve
> > pressure which somehow effects the damping, but I've not figured
out
> > how yet.
>
> What SPV does, from a recent BikeMagic article about an SPV shock:
>
> "The idea is that as well as the usual piston, there's a second
> floating piston at one end of the shock (sometimes in a remote
> reservoir) with an air chamber behind it. There's a valve in the
main
> piston, and as the shock compresses the build up of pressure in
the
> damping oil (which occurs because of the main piston pushing on
it)
> tries to open the valve. If there's not much pressure in the air
> chamber, the valve opens easily, lets loads of oil through and the
> shock compresses unimpeded. If there's lots of pressure in the air
> chamber, the valve can't open and the shock won't compress. This
has
> some very useful effects. First, you can easily tune the shock to
> remain unmoved by low-amplitude forces that result from pedalling
but
> react to the more sizable ones from hitting bumps, and you can
choose
> where the threshold between not moving and moving is. Second,
because
> the shock will only compress until the pressure on either side of
the
> piston is equal, it'll only compress as far as it needs to to
absorb a
> bump. Traditional shocks tend to over-travel, leaving the rebound
> damping circuit to bring things back under control. Platform
shocks
> don't work the rebound damping as hard and the bike feels more
stable.
> The Curnutt design is found in Progressive 5th Element and Manitou
SPV
> shocks."
>
> So less SPV pressure for more small bump response and more SPV
> pressure for less fork bobbing. Apparently the main difference
between
> last year's SPV and this year's SPV Evolve is that now a small
hole
> has been drilled through the valving so a small amount of oil flow
is
> always present so there's less of an on/off feeling to the SPV
action.
> Or something. It's late, I'm tired and I'm trying to remember what
an
> LBS guy told me a fortnight ago.
>
> Chris

mmmmm....I think I'll just try fiddling with different settings.

moray

Yes.

Mark

On 1 Feb 2005, at 16:32, Chris Lupton wrote:

>
>  What, no write-up from Mark or Will? We all want to know how it went!
>  Or are you both in too much pain to tell us? ;-)
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What, no write-up from Mark or Will? We all want to know how it went!
Or are you both in too much pain to tell us? ;-)

Chris

I've heard mention that a good way to get rebound damping set is to
lay a ladder on the ground and ride along it. Have the rebound
damping set as slow as possible without the fork "packing down" over
the bumps - ie. the rebound is so slow that it doesn't have time to
come back up before the next hit and the fork eventually reaches the
bottom of it's travel.

This is assuming that you want to set up the fork to react to quick
short hits. I guess dirt-jumpers would want a very slow rebound.

My fork, a 2003 Marzocchi Z1 FR SL has the older ECC5 adjustment.
This is 5 speeds to rebound daming that can be set up on-the-fly. The
slowest is effectively the same as 'ETA' and locks the fork down. The
other 4 settings do make noticable differences to the rebound. I
usually keep it on a fast-ish rebound, but make it a bit slower when
going slowly down more rocky things (like the stone chute on GT
Black) or smooth stuff (like the new Spooky Wood).

If I'm going over bumpy stuff quite quickly, like braking bumps, I
really do notice the difference if I have the rebound slower. It
feels like my old MXC forks.

sounds geeky ;-)
   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Chris Lupton
   To: mtbscotland@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Monday, January 31, 2005 11:00 PM
   Subject: [mtbscotland] Re: Fork fettling



   --- In mtbscotland@yahoogroups.com, "moray_cuthill" <moray.cuthill@v..
   .> wrote:
   > There's then the SPV Evolve
   > pressure which somehow effects the damping, but I've not figured out
   > how yet.

   What SPV does, from a recent BikeMagic article about an SPV shock:

   "The idea is that as well as the usual piston, there's a second
   floating piston at one end of the shock (sometimes in a remote
   reservoir) with an air chamber behind it. There's a valve in the main
   piston, and as the shock compresses the build up of pressure in the
   damping oil (which occurs because of the main piston pushing on it)
   tries to open the valve. If there's not much pressure in the air
   chamber, the valve opens easily, lets loads of oil through and the
   shock compresses unimpeded. If there's lots of pressure in the air
   chamber, the valve can't open and the shock won't compress. This has
   some very useful effects. First, you can easily tune the shock to
   remain unmoved by low-amplitude forces that result from pedalling but
   react to the more sizable ones from hitting bumps, and you can choose
   where the threshold between not moving and moving is. Second, because
   the shock will only compress until the pressure on either side of the
   piston is equal, it'll only compress as far as it needs to to absorb a
   bump. Traditional shocks tend to over-travel, leaving the rebound
   damping circuit to bring things back under control. Platform shocks
   don't work the rebound damping as hard and the bike feels more stable.
   The Curnutt design is found in Progressive 5th Element and Manitou SPV
   shocks."

   So less SPV pressure for more small bump response and more SPV
   pressure for less fork bobbing. Apparently the main difference between
   last year's SPV and this year's SPV Evolve is that now a small hole
   has been drilled through the valving so a small amount of oil flow is
   always present so there's less of an on/off feeling to the SPV action.
   Or something. It's late, I'm tired and I'm trying to remember what an
   LBS guy told me a fortnight ago.

   Chris





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