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#473 From: Brad Woodworth <windsurfwoody@...>
Date: Fri Aug 8, 2008 11:53 am
Subject: Re: Longboard Revolution
windsurfwoody
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One of the first things I did after unpacking the Phantom was stand it on our bathroom scale. Now the weight only showed 24lbs, but factor in the 10lb offset we have on our scale to make us feel better about our personal weight (haha), that would make the board 34lbs (including centerboard, straps and fin). So at 295liters, that's light! I'll be trying different fin combinations over the next while to see what works best with my sail quiver.
 
I'll post some pics in the future.
 
Woody
 


----- Original Message -----
From: Del Carpenter <delcarpenter@...>
Date: Thursday, August 7, 2008 9:08 pm
Subject: Re: [mowind] Longboard Revolution
To: mowind@yahoogroups.com

> Hallelujah!  I kept hoping the Phantom 380 would be a good
> board but
> had not seen a review from anyone I knew.
> Hallelujah!  I kept hoping Mistral would bring back the old
> Equipe or
> make a new one.
>
> I like both Starboard and Mistral products, so if Woody switches
> from
> the Phantom 380 to the Equipe III RD I may want the Phantom 380.
> How much does the Phantom 380 weigh?  A weight is still not
> given on
> Starboard's site.  And does anyone know how much the Equipe 
> III RD
> weighs?
> A weight is not given on Mistral's site.
>
> Del Carpenter
>
>
>
>
>
> On Aug 7, 2008, at 6:36 PM, Brad Woodworth wrote:
>
> > Crap! I love Mistral products...
> >  
> > I just received my new Starboard Phantom Race 380 a couple of
> weeks
> > ago and I have to say the Phantom 380 is the best
> raceboard I've ever
> > stepped on! FAST upwind and planes quick on a reach. Awesome
> in light
> > winds too. The Phantom is also lighter than my Superlite comp!
> >  
> > You guys and gals better watch out for CAN757 at the next
> event(s),
> > cause the 295l of float will get my lard a$$ around the course
> quite
> > well now :)
> >  
> > Woody
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Scott Haas <shaas@...>
> > Date: Thursday, August 7, 2008 5:45 pm
> > Subject: [mowind] Longboard Revolution
> > To: mowind@yahoogroups.com
> >
> > >
> > > Some good news for course racing and for longboarders. 
> > > Mistral has
> > > announced on their Web site the Equipe III RD.  
> > >
> > > Visit the Mistral Web site for details.
> > >
> > > http://www.mistral.com/
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> > 
> >      
>

#474 From: Del Carpenter <delcarpenter@...>
Date: Fri Aug 8, 2008 2:17 pm
Subject: Re: Longboard Revolution
del.carpenter
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Thanks Woody.  At 34 lbs the Phantom Race 380 is similar to a Mistral
One Design.

Del

On Aug 8, 2008, at 6:53 AM, Brad Woodworth wrote:

> One of the first things I did after unpacking the Phantom was stand it
> on our bathroom scale. Now the weight only showed 24lbs, but factor in
> the 10lb offset we have on our scale to make us feel better about our
> personal weight (haha), that would make the board 34lbs (including
> centerboard, straps and fin). So at 295liters, that's light! I'll be
> trying different fin combinations over the next while to see what
> works best with my sail quiver.
>  
> I'll post some pics in the future.
>  
> Woody
>  
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Del Carpenter <delcarpenter@...>
> Date: Thursday, August 7, 2008 9:08 pm
> Subject: Re: [mowind] Longboard Revolution
> To: mowind@yahoogroups.com
>
> > Hallelujah!  I kept hoping the Phantom 380 would be a good
> > board but
> > had not seen a review from anyone I knew.
> > Hallelujah!  I kept hoping Mistral would bring back the old
> > Equipe or
> > make a new one.
> >
> > I like both Starboard and Mistral products, so if Woody switches
> > from
> > the Phantom 380 to the Equipe III RD I may want the Phantom 380.
> > How much does the Phantom 380 weigh?  A weight is still not
> > given on
> > Starboard's site.  And does anyone know how much the Equipe 
> > III RD
> > weighs?
> > A weight is not given on Mistral's site.
> >
> > Del Carpenter
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Aug 7, 2008, at 6:36 PM, Brad Woodworth wrote:
> >
> > > Crap! I love Mistral products...
> > >  
> > > I just received my new Starboard Phantom Race 380 a couple of
> > weeks
> > > ago and I have to say the Phantom 380 is the best
> > raceboard I've ever
> > > stepped on! FAST upwind and planes quick on a reach. Awesome
> > in light
> > > winds too. The Phantom is also lighter than my Superlite comp!
> > >  
> > > You guys and gals better watch out for CAN757 at the next
> > event(s),
> > > cause the 295l of float will get my lard a$$ around the course
> > quite
> > > well now :)
> > >  
> > > Woody
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Scott Haas <shaas@...>
> > > Date: Thursday, August 7, 2008 5:  45 pm
> > > Subject: [mowind] Longboard Revolution
> > > To: mowind@yahoogroups.com
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Some good news for course racing and for longboarders. 
> > > > Mistral has
> > > > announced on their Web site the Equipe III RD.  
> > > >
> > > > Visit the Mistral Web site for details.
> > > >
> > > > http://www.mistral.com/
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > 
> > >      
> >
>
>
>

#475 From: Del Carpenter <delcarpenter@...>
Date: Fri Aug 8, 2008 2:56 pm
Subject: Which photo sharing website do you use?
del.carpenter
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I have a lot of pictures to put on the web from this year's races at
the Saylorville Dam Jam, Toledo Regatta, and the Nationals at
Worthington.

Which of the various services such as Snapfish, Flickr, Smugmug,
Photobucket or whatever do you use?

I'm mostly interested in ease of use for viewers, easy uploading for
me, lots of temporary storage space, and free except for printing.
I'm not currently interested in using it for long term backup.

Del

#476 From: "Scott Haas" <shaas@...>
Date: Fri Aug 8, 2008 5:25 pm
Subject: Re: Which photo sharing website do you use?
amokaman
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There are so many file sharing sites ...  I like Picasa which Google now
runs .   http://picasa.google.com/

If you are uploading for people to make prints from ..
I like the Kodak site as so far the prints I've got through them are
always real nice.

http://www.kodakgallery.ca/Welcome.jsp?&localeid=en_CA


Scott

--- In mowind@yahoogroups.com, Del Carpenter <delcarpenter@...> wrote:
>
>   I have a lot of pictures to put on the web from this year's races
at
> the Saylorville Dam Jam, Toledo Regatta, and the Nationals at
> Worthington.
>
> Which of the various services such as Snapfish, Flickr, Smugmug,
> Photobucket or whatever do you use?
>
> I'm mostly interested in ease of use for viewers, easy uploading for
> me, lots of temporary storage space, and free except for printing.
> I'm not currently interested in using it for long term backup.
>
> Del
>

#477 From: "Philip S" <PTSMANTUA@...>
Date: Sat Aug 9, 2008 2:51 am
Subject: Re: Longboard Revolution
ptsmantua
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Hey Woody -

What color is it? (? Blue?)

:)

Should be more fun than the old superlite going downwind - Yes?

Philip Sage

US 287

On Fri, Aug 8, 2008 at 9:17 AM, Del Carpenter <delcarpenter@...> wrote:

Thanks Woody. At 34 lbs the Phantom Race 380 is similar to a Mistral
One Design.

Del



On Aug 8, 2008, at 6:53 AM, Brad Woodworth wrote:

> One of the first things I did after unpacking the Phantom was stand it
> on our bathroom scale. Now the weight only showed 24lbs, but factor in
> the 10lb offset we have on our scale to make us feel better about our
> personal weight (haha), that would make the board 34lbs (including
> centerboard, straps and fin). So at 295liters, that's light! I'll be
> trying different fin combinations over the next while to see what
> works best with my sail quiver.
>  
> I'll post some pics in the future.
>  
> Woody
>  
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Del Carpenter <delcarpenter@...>
> Date: Thursday, August 7, 2008 9:08 pm
> Subject: Re: [mowind] Longboard Revolution
> To: mowind@yahoogroups.com
>
> > Hallelujah!  I kept hoping the Phantom 380 would be a good
> > board but
> > had not seen a review from anyone I knew.
> > Hallelujah!  I kept hoping Mistral would bring back the old
> > Equipe or
> > make a new one.
> >
> > I like both Starboard and Mistral products, so if Woody switches
> > from
> > the Phantom 380 to the Equipe III RD I may want the Phantom 380.
> > How much does the Phantom 380 weigh?  A weight is still not
> > given on
> > Starboard's site.  And does anyone know how much the Equipe 
> > III RD
> > weighs?
> > A weight is not given on Mistral's site.
> >
> > Del Carpenter
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Aug 7, 2008, at 6:36 PM, Brad Woodworth wrote:
> >
> > > Crap! I love Mistral products...
> > >  
> > > I just received my new Starboard Phantom Race 380 a couple of
> > weeks
> > > ago and I have to say the Phantom 380 is the best
> > raceboard I've ever
> > > stepped on! FAST upwind and planes quick on a reach. Awesome
> > in light
> > > winds too. The Phantom is also lighter than my Superlite comp!
> > >  
> > > You guys and gals better watch out for CAN757 at the next
> > event(s),
> > > cause the 295l of float will get my lard a$$ around the course
> > quite
> > > well now :)
> > >  
> > > Woody
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Scott Haas <shaas@...>
> > > Date: Thursday, August 7, 2008 5: 45 pm
> > > Subject: [mowind] Longboard Revolution
> > > To: mowind@yahoogroups.com
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Some good news for course racing and for longboarders. 
> > > > Mistral has
> > > > announced on their Web site the Equipe III RD.  
> > > >
> > > > Visit the Mistral Web site for details.
> > > >
> > > > http://www.mistral.com/
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > 
> > >      
> >
>
>
>


#478 From: "windsurfwoody" <windsurfwoody@...>
Date: Mon Aug 11, 2008 2:06 pm
Subject: Phantom Race 380 pics
windsurfwoody
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Hey Gang, I took some pics of my new raceboard and posted them in my
photo gallery.

Check them out if you like here:

http://www.windsurfwoody.ca/gallery/thumbnails.php?album=19

Woody - CAN757

#479 From: a c <mistralonedesign@...>
Date: Mon Aug 11, 2008 8:12 pm
Subject: Re: Phantom Race 380 pics
mistralonede...
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Hi Woody , That looks like a GREAT combination , big dagger -44cm fin . Are you teaming this up w/ Areotech  9.5  ?  At 34 lb. complete  . Awesum dude !!  Arnie

--- On Mon, 8/11/08, windsurfwoody <windsurfwoody@...> wrote:
From: windsurfwoody <windsurfwoody@...>
Subject: [mowind] Phantom Race 380 pics
To: mowind@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, August 11, 2008, 9:06 AM

Hey Gang, I took some pics of my new raceboard and posted them in my
photo gallery.

Check them out if you like here:

http://www.windsurf woody.ca/ gallery/thumbnai ls.php?album= 19

Woody - CAN757



#480 From: "Jack" <drjacksonwiley@...>
Date: Tue Aug 12, 2008 2:46 am
Subject: Waconia Rescheduled
drjacksonwiley
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Please note the following date change. The date shown on the Mowind
Calendar is incorrect.
Waconia Wind and Wave has been rescheduled for Sept 6-7.
Contact Mike Fox for details.

#481 From: "Scott Haas" <shaas@...>
Date: Wed Aug 20, 2008 1:42 pm
Subject: North Newsletter and Free drawing for boom and mast
amokaman
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Hey Mowinders ..

The North Sails windsurfing Web site is updated with their 2009
product line up.  Also they have a drawing you can enter with a
couple nice prizes.  So take the time to register for their
newsletter as that may help MOWIND get some support from North in the
future.

Thanks,
Scott


Lucky draw on www.north-windsurf.com
Take part in our North Sails lucky draw 08 with great prizes.

How ?
Just subscribe to the North Sails newsletter on http://www.north-
windsurf.com/en/brand/Newsletter from August 18th - September 18th,
2008 and you will automatically be a participant of the lucky draw.
Don´t miss this great chance to win the following North Sails
products:

1st place
1 x 2009 North Sails Silver Boom with new iFront (size of your own
choice)

2nd place
1 x 2009 North Sails Silver³ (3-piece) mast

3rd place
1 x 2009 North Sails promo wear collection (Cap, Shirt, Jacket)

The winners will be announced in the North Sails e-newsletter October
2008.

#482 From: "Scott Haas" <shaas@...>
Date: Sat Aug 23, 2008 5:30 pm
Subject: Higgins Lake Michigan Windsurfing Regatta Sept 6-7, 2008
amokaman
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I have posted a link to the Notice of Race as well as additional event
information on MOWIND site.   See the News section at

http://www.mowind.org/

Direct link to the post is http://www.mowind.org/wp/?p=149


Thanks,
Scott

#483 From: Arden Anderson <ardenalan@...>
Date: Thu Sep 4, 2008 2:18 am
Subject: Tour da Croix gps track
ardenalan
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Two weekends ago, Arnie Cleveland put on a very successful inaugural running of the St Croix River on the border of Wisconsin and Minnesota, dubbed the Tour da Croix. He also just posted some very nice pictures to the photo section of the Yahoo Group page. I also posted some screen grabs of my gps track overlaid on a google earth map. FYI, wind was nominally out of the southwest, but we experienced shifts from every point of the compass along the way, ranging in speed from 0-15 mph.
 
In the zoomed-in picture of the top portion of the course ( http://sports.ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/mowind/photos/view/d14c?b=30&m=f&o=0 ) you can see a relatively straight section of my path running from north to south along the eastern bank as we made the return to Point Douglas. During that time I was able to avoid having to tack back to the middle by getting fortunate lifts every time I got near shore. Up until that point, Peter, Blaise, Adam, and I kept trading places in the challenging wind shifts. You can see that most times I went towards the middle of the river on port tack prior to that, my course is nearly back upriver, over 90-degrees from the path of the previous tack, rather than the 45-60 degrees you expect for a longboard tacking upwind in steady wind. So, once I was able to avoid tacking by playing the shoreline shifts I was able to put distance between me and the rest of the guys stuck tacking in the middle.
 
Other info from the gps are:
* Total distance of 15.47 miles sailed
* 161 minutes of recorded sailing time (~5.8 mph average)
* Max runs of 19.5 mph (2-sec) and 18.1 mph (10-sec) during the 1st half of the downwind/upriver.
 
Overall the event was a great time, and I hope more people show up next year.
 
Later,
Arden


#484 From: "Dr. Wiley" <drjacksonwiley@...>
Date: Thu Sep 4, 2008 2:58 pm
Subject: Re: Tour da Croix gps track
drjacksonwiley
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I put up my track as well.  You can see it here
http://www.mowind.org/wp/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/tdcjsw3.jpg
I tilted the earth to give it a little perspective.

The conditions were definitely interesting.  I got left in the dust right away but managed to pass a couple of people on the way back.

The course we ran was 6.8 miles up river and then back down and seemed to work well.  I have the results by mark rounding.  Notice that the fast guys took an hour to get up river then 20-some minutes to get back down.  I was 15 min behind on the way up and lost another 30 min on the way back.  I would definitely like to try that again.  Placement on the river was an important tactic.  There were many places with swirly, or worse, no wind.  There were also lots of opportunities to surf on the wakes of passing boats, provided you had enough speed to begin with. 

Next year it will be fun to have more races.  I think two on Saturday and one Sunday Morning would be good.

Arden 0:59
Blaise 1:01
Peter H 1:02
Adam 1:09
Wayne 1:11
Del 1:13
Jack 1:15

And the finish

Arden 1:23
Peter H 1:27
Blaise 1:27
Adam 1:35
Jack 1:58
Del 2:00
Wayne 2:19
Piotr (sport) 2:43


----- Original Message ----
From: Arden Anderson <ardenalan@...>
To: ymowind <mowind@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 3, 2008 9:18:34 PM
Subject: [mowind] Tour da Croix gps track

Two weekends ago, Arnie Cleveland put on a very successful inaugural running of the St Croix River on the border of Wisconsin and Minnesota, dubbed the Tour da Croix. He also just posted some very nice pictures to the photo section of the Yahoo Group page. I also posted some screen grabs of my gps track overlaid on a google earth map. FYI, wind was nominally out of the southwest, but we experienced shifts from every point of the compass along the way, ranging in speed from 0-15 mph.
 
In the zoomed-in picture of the top portion of the course ( http://sports. ph.groups. yahoo.com/ group/mowind/ photos/view/ d14c?b=30&m=f&o=0 ) you can see a relatively straight section of my path running from north to south along the eastern bank as we made the return to Point Douglas. During that time I was able to avoid having to tack back to the middle by getting fortunate lifts every time I got near shore. Up until that point, Peter, Blaise, Adam, and I kept trading places in the challenging wind shifts. You can see that most times I went towards the middle of the river on port tack prior to that, my course is nearly back upriver, over 90-degrees from the path of the previous tack, rather than the 45-60 degrees you expect for a longboard tacking upwind in steady wind. So, once I was able to avoid tacking by playing the shoreline shifts I was able to put distance between me and the rest of the guys stuck tacking in the middle.
 
Other info from the gps are:
* Total distance of 15.47 miles sailed
* 161 minutes of recorded sailing time (~5.8 mph average)
* Max runs of 19.5 mph (2-sec) and 18.1 mph (10-sec) during the 1st half of the downwind/upriver.
 
Overall the event was a great time, and I hope more people show up next year.
 
Later,
Arden


#485 From: "Jack" <drjacksonwiley@...>
Date: Tue Sep 9, 2008 2:43 pm
Subject: Season Scores Update
drjacksonwiley
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I posted the season scores at the Mowind.org page
http://www.mowind.org/wp/?page_id=134

If you are interested in your standings, please check your scores to
make sure I didn't miss any.  Thank you to all of the race directors
and scorekeepers.

Season awards will be given out at the Windpower Champs dinner.

Jack

#486 From: Arden Anderson <ardenalan@...>
Date: Mon Sep 15, 2008 7:58 pm
Subject: Windpower Championships Photo Gallery
ardenalan
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Here is a link to a photo gallery from the local Fond du Lac newspaper. Unfortunately all the pictures are from Saturday (light wind) instead of Sunday (high wind), but there are still good shots in there.
 


#487 From: Brad Woodworth <windsurfwoody@...>
Date: Mon Sep 15, 2008 9:54 pm
Subject: Re: Windpower Championships Photo Gallery
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Lots of good pics here too:  http://annetteboelk.photostockplus.com/
 
Thanks everyone for the fun weekend!!
 
Woody - Team World - CAN
 


----- Original Message -----
From: Arden Anderson <ardenalan@...>
Date: Monday, September 15, 2008 2:58 pm
Subject: [mowind] Windpower Championships Photo Gallery
To: ymowind <mowind@yahoogroups.com>

> Here is a link to a photo gallery from the local Fond du Lac
> newspaper. Unfortunately all the pictures are from Saturday
> (light wind) instead of Sunday (high wind), but there are still
> good shots in there.
>
> http://www.fdlreporter.com/apps/pbcs.dll/gallery?Site=U0&Date=20080913&Category=FON01&ArtNo=809130838&Ref=PH&Params=Itemnr=1
>
>
>      

#488 From: "Jack" <drjacksonwiley@...>
Date: Tue Nov 25, 2008 5:52 pm
Subject: 2009 Upcoming Season Discussion and conference call
drjacksonwiley
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Hello Mowind members,

Now that the water is freezing over it is time to get ready for the
next year of windsurfing.  The purpose of this discussion is to
determine what is important to Mowind for the next year.  In a few
weeks in December (12-20-08, 8:00?), any interested members will have
a conference call and decide on the items discussed here.

Important topics that come to mind are:

Insurance
Classes and Fleets
Scoring
Web Page
Officers and Committees
Scheduling
Fundraising
Mowind Merchandise

Feel free to comment or introduce you own topic if you think it is
important.

I would like to summarize the past year and address some of the issues
from my personal experience as Mowind President.
Most importantly, we had a successful race season.  The Mowind Race
series scored 15 races with an average attendance of 25,
and 75 racers attended more than one event.  29 racers attended more
than 4 events. I have listed 110 current Mowind members in the database.

In general, race directors were prompt in confirming event dates, and
submitting their insurance payments and scores.  This reflects the
main purpose of Mowind, that is to provide regatta insurance for races
in our region.  By doing so we can ensure that Mowind members and
directors are protected from liability and split the cost among the
events.  If you would like to become more familiar with our coverage
please see this link
http://www.david-agency.com/signal/index.htm#Regatta%20Liability%20Insurance
We maintain both Regatta Liability and General Liability.  For the
most part our organization is covered against anything, however there
are some exceptions.  One major exception is the activity of
Kiteboarding, and that has led to some controversial decisions made by
me over the past year.  Please take a moment to read this article as well:
http://www.scka.org/kitesuit.htm
Last year we entered new territory when Kiteboarding was included in
The Crossing.  As incoming president I was presented with different
information regarding our insurance, some of which turned out to be
completely false.  As a result I called our insurance agent to get my
questions answered.  After that I decided to remove from the schedule
any events that included kiteboarding.  During the year interested
people have been discussing the matter and many suggestions have been
proposed such as allowing some events to opt out of Mowind insurance
and attempting to obtain their own.  This brings up other issues of
liability since Mowind would need some resources to review any
alternative insurance.  Additionally, who wants to be responsible for
making these decisions?  I consider this extremely important since
our insurance covers every Mowind member and volunteer, not just those
that make the decisions.

This issue also brought up the idea of a "sanctioned" event.
Currently all that is required to be a Mowind event is to pay dues for
insurance and choose a time and place.

There has been some discussion over the year of limiting the number of
events in order to encourage a larger attendance at fewer events.
This is based on the idea that participation was lower this year due
to higher gas prices.  When comparing participation to last year
however, the numbers are approximately the same, with an event average
attendance of 22 for 2007.  Two major points are that race directors
invest enough time and effort in their events that there shouldn't be
a limit on the number of events.  We don't want to discourage new
events either and would like to keep the organization simple.

Over the past few years we have reorganized the classes at Mowind
events to reflect different participation.  We combined some and
introduced others.  Currently we have three levels:

A Fleet (advanced, usually completes two laps)
Open
Limited 8.5
Hybrid
Formula
Women

Sport Fleet (Intermediate, One lap)
Men
Women

Workshop Fleet (Short course, startline assistance)
Men
Women
Junior
Senior

Most race directors have used the Mowind classes, and that facilitated
adding the scores to the season totals.  In addition to providing
insurance, a purpose of Mowind is to provide standard rules and
scoring for windsurfing events.

Our current scoring system is the Mowind Hi-point system.  Hi-point
systems are prefferred for a series since they can simply be added
together.  Lo-point systems need to be converted and the process is
not always simple.  The Mowind system awards 1 point for starting, 1
for finishing, and 1 for each racer beaten.  Traditionally, DNF has
been given only 1 point.  There has been much discussion over the year
of what to award DNF or to differentiate reasons since there are many
reasons for DNF. In the Nationals this year, a time limit caused many
racers to receive a DNF and they voiced an objection to only getting 1
point since they actually did complete the course.  No changes have
yet been made and this is still open for discussion.  In order to
speed up the scoring process I have developed an Excel spreadsheet
that has worked well though it still has many limitations.  Anyone
interested in making revisions is welcome to have a go at it.

This year in addition to the Yahoo discussion group, we added a Web
page at Mowind.org.  Lots of work by Scott Haas and Ulf Jentler
resulted in a great place for posting schedules, scores, pictures, and
event summaries.  Anyone involved in event planning should be able to
keep their events updated.  Contact Scott to register with the site or
at least provide links your event site.

Also listed on the web page are the names of Mowind officers and
committee members.  To my knowledge we have had little committee
activity this year.  If we are going to have committees, then
committee members should be communicating throughout the year.
Many of us including myself falsely believe that we will have more
time later.  Reflecting on the past year, however, I realize that at
many events I hardly had time to talk to people, and I felt like I was
constantly running around.  This reinforces my belief that Mowind
should maintain the simplest structure it can, so we can be busy
having fun and visiting, rather than doing administrative activities.
For this year we have the following people and positions.

     * President: Dr. Jack Wiley
     * VP/Secretary: Ulf Jentler
     * Treasurer: Craig Bergh
     * Scorer: Jack Wiley, Jeff Koeberl
     * News: Scott Haas

     * Calendar: Jeff Adamski, Craig Bergh
     * Scoring/Rules: Jeff Adamski, Arnie Cleveland, Larry Reed, Kevin
Gratton
     * Awards: Larry Reed, Ulf Jentler, Woody, Don Altmeyer
     * Sponsorships/Raffle: Rod Clevenger, Kevin Gratton, Mike, Ulf Jentler
     * Forum and Web: Arden Anderson , Ulf Jentler, Scott Haas

We should discuss what committees we want for this year as well as
hear from those who want to be involved.  At this time I would also
like to solicit nominations for officers, particularly President, and
Vice President.  I myself (Jack) am not going to be president next
year and Ulf has left the country for a while.  Perhaps it would be a
good time to determine what the president is actually supposed to do.

There have been several ideas this year regarding fundraising and we
should discuss what we think is appropriate, keeping in mind the
amount of time involved.  There has been some discussion of printing
up Mowind shirts and stickers.  I also tried out a project myself this
year with lanyards though it may have been too ambitious.
My idea was to provide all Mowind Members with Mowind Lanyards and an
ID card.  I put together a template for ID cards, but the main hurdle
was getting individual pictures.  I was hoping to be able to get those
at events but found I had little time to get it done.  I posted on the
web page that people could email me their picture for a free ID card,
however I got no responses.  I have since come to realize that the
Mowind web page is great for checking schedules and scores, but not
for engaging participants in new activities.  We have a raffle going
as well though it got a late start this year.  Tickets have been for
sale at some events as well as on the web page.  Sales at the events
were good while those from the web page were low.  We need to figure
out what fundraisers are worth doing and what is a good way of doing them.

Please Take some time to think about the issues important to you and
whether you think Mowind is headed in the right direction.  Using this
format for a discussion will allow interested members to digest
information and reply on their own time.  We will schedule a
conference call Mid December.  A tentative date is Sat. Dec. 20th at
8:00 central time.

Thank you for taking the time to read this and contributing to Mowind.

#489 From: reedlj2000@...
Date: Tue Nov 25, 2008 6:31 pm
Subject: Re: 2009 Upcoming Season Discussion and conference call
sail512003
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Great Letter Jack.........
Looking forward to a great 2009 Mowind Season........
First Race.... 2009.......
  Iowa Dam Jam........

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-----Original Message-----
From: Jack <drjacksonwiley@...>
To: mowind@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 11:52 am
Subject: [mowind] 2009 Upcoming Season Discussion and conference call

Hello Mowind members,

Now that the water is freezing over it is time to get ready for the
next year of windsurfing. The purpose of this discussion is to
determine what is important to Mowind for the next year. In a few
weeks in December (12-20-08, 8:00?), any interested members will have
a conference call and decide on the items discussed here.

Important topics that come to mind are:

Insurance
Classes and Fleets
Scoring
Web Page
Officers and Committees
Scheduling
Fundraising
Mowind Merchandise

Feel free to comment or introduce you own topic if you think it is
important.

I would like to summarize the past year and address some of the issues
from my personal experience as Mowind President.
Most importantly, we had a successful race season. The Mowind Race
series scored 15 races with an average attendance of 25,
and 75 racers attended more than one event. 29 racers attended more
than 4 events. I have listed 110 current Mowind members in the database.

In general, race directors were prompt in confirming event dates, and
submitting their insurance payments and scores. This reflects the
main purpose of Mowind, that is to provide regatta insurance for races
in our region. By doing so we can ensure that Mowind members and
directors are protected from liability and split the cost among the
events. If you would like to become more familiar with our coverage
please see this link
http://www.david-agency.com/signal/index.htm#Regatta%20Liability%20Insurance
We maintain both Regatta Liability and General Liability. For the
most part our organization is covered against anything, however there
are some exceptions. One major exception is the activity of
Kiteboarding, and that has led to some controversial decisions made by
me over the past year. Please take a moment to read this article as well:
http://www.scka.org/kitesuit.htm
Last year we entered new territory when Kiteboarding was included in
The Crossing. As incoming president I was presented with different
information regarding our insurance, some of which turned out to be
completely false. As a result I called our insurance agent to get my
questions answered. After that I decided to remove from the schedule
any events that included kiteboarding. During the year interested
people have been discussing the matter and many suggestions have been
proposed such as allowing some events to opt out of Mowind insurance
and attempting to obtain their own. This brings up other issues of
liability since Mowind would need some resources to review any
alternative insurance. Additionally, who wants to be responsible for
making these decisions? I consider this extremely important since
our insurance covers every Mowind member and volunteer, not just those
that make the decisions.

This issue also brought up the idea of a "sanctioned" event.
Currently all that is required to be a Mowind event is to pay dues for
insurance and choose a time and place.

There has been some discussion over the year of limiting the number of
events in order to encourage a larger attendance at fewer events.
This is based on the idea that participation was lower this year due
to higher gas prices. When comparing participation to last year
however, the numbers are approximately the same, with an event average
attendance of 22 for 2007. Two major points are that race directors
invest enough time and effort in their events that there shouldn't be
a limit on the number of events. We don't want to discourage new
events either and would like to keep the organization simple.

Over the past few years we have reorganized the classes at Mowind
events to reflect different participation. We combined some and
introduced others. Currently we have three levels:

A Fleet (advanced, usually completes two laps)
Open
Limited 8.5
Hybrid
Formula
Women

Sport Fleet (Intermediate, One lap)
Men
Women

Workshop Fleet (Short course, startline assistance)
Men
Women
Junior
Senior

Most race directors have used the Mowind classes, and that facilitated
adding the scores to the season totals. In addition to providing
insurance, a purpose of Mowind is to provide standard rules and
scoring for windsurfing events.

Our current scoring system is the Mowind Hi-point system. Hi-point
systems are prefferred for a series since they can simply be added
together. Lo-point systems need to be converted and the process is
not always simple. The Mowind system awards 1 point for starting, 1
for finishing, and 1 for each racer beaten. Traditionally, DNF has
been given only 1 point. There has been much discussion over the year
of what to award DNF or to differentiate reasons since there are many
reasons for DNF. In the Nationals this year, a time limit caused many
racers to receive a DNF and they voiced an objection to only getting 1
point since they actually did complete the course. No changes have
yet been made and this is still open for discussion. In order to
speed up the scoring process I have developed an Excel spreadsheet
that has worked well though it still has many limitations. Anyone
interested in making revisions is welcome to have a go at it.

This year in addition to the Yahoo discussion group, we added a Web
page at Mowind.org. Lots of work by Scott Haas and Ulf Jentler
resulted in a great place for posting schedules, scores, pictures, and
event summaries. Anyone involved in event planning should be able to
keep their events updated. Contact Scott to register with the site or
at least provide links your event site.

Also listed on the web page are the names of Mowind officers and
committee members. To my knowledge we have had little committee
activity this year. If we are going to have committees, then
committee members should be communicating throughout the year.
Many of us including myself falsely believe that we will have more
time later. Reflecting on the past year, however, I realize that at
many events I hardly had time to talk to people, and I felt like I was
constantly running around. This reinforces my belief that Mowind
should maintain the simplest structure it can, so we can be busy
having fun and visiting, rather than doing administrative activities.
For this year we have the following people and positions.

* President: Dr. Jack Wiley
* VP/Secretary: Ulf Jentler
* Treasurer: Craig Bergh
* Scorer: Jack Wiley, Jeff Koeberl
* News: Scott Haas

* Calendar: Jeff Adamski, Craig Bergh
* Scoring/Rules: Jeff Adamski, Arnie Cleveland, Larry Reed, Kevin
Gratton
* Awards: Larry Reed, Ulf Jentler, Woody, Don Altmeyer
* Sponsorships/Raffle: Rod Clevenger, Kevin Gratton, Mike, Ulf Jentler
* Forum and Web: Arden Anderson , Ulf Jentler, Scott Haas

We should discuss what committees we want for this year as well as
hear from those who want to be involved. At this time I would also
like to solicit nominations for officers, particularly President, and
Vice President. I myself (Jack) am not going to be president next
year and Ulf has left the country for a while. Perhaps it would be a
good time to determine what the president is actually supposed to do.

There have been several ideas this year regarding fundraising and we
should discuss what we think is appropriate, keeping in mind the
amount of time involved. There has been some discussion of printing
up Mowind shirts and stickers. I also tried out a project myself this
year with lanyards though it may have been too ambitious.
My idea was to provide all Mowind Members with Mowind Lanyards and an
ID card. I put together a template for ID cards, but the main hurdle
was getting individual pictures. I was hoping to be able to get those
at events but found I had little time to get it done. I posted on the
web page that people could email me their picture for a free ID card,
however I got no responses. I have since come to realize that the
Mowind web page is great for checking schedules and scores, but not
for engaging participants in new activities. We have a raffle going
as well though it got a late start this year. Tickets have been for
sale at some events as well as on the web page. Sales at the events
were good while those from the web page were low. We need to figure
out what fundraisers are worth doing and what is a good way of doing them.

Please Take some time to think about the issues important to you and
whether you think Mowind is headed in the right direction. Using this
format for a discussion will allow interested members to digest
information and reply on their own time. We will schedule a
conference call Mid December. A tentative date is Sat. Dec. 20th at
8:00 central time.

Thank you for taking the time to read this and contributing to Mowind.


#490 From: "Philip S" <PTSMANTUA@...>
Date: Wed Nov 26, 2008 12:43 am
Subject: Re: 2009 Upcoming Season Discussion and conference call
ptsmantua
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Hi Jack and fellow MOWIND members,

Greetings form NE Ohio and a foot or so of fresh wet snow.

Hoping that I can contribute more this coming season as I have a new job, that is based in Ohio, and while it does require travel, I was asked to block out preferred times that I would like to be in the US. (so I chose the best guess at the MOWIND schedule)

We are at least debating hosting an event in NE Ohio as a 3rd event from Ohio, and wanted to get that idea on the radar screen for discussion, but want to do it "with" MOWIND, TABA and the COWS so we don't detract from other great events.

As far as getting to events - for myself and family - coming from the near edge of MOWIND territory makes for some very long trips into WI and MN, even thought there are some excellent regattas.

Had I not tried to rip off my finger, we would have made it to Fond du Lac and Higgens, but I suspect we are an exception and just had a blast doing the MOWIND tour this summer when I could.

Point is - gas was high - but hours in the car/truck still outweigh the cost of gas. It is a long way to go on a weekend, and a 12 hour drive each way makes it tough when the event finishes near 6 PM on Sunday.

That said - I hope the event schedule is better and Matt, Sam and I look forward to seeing you all soon.

As far as the DNF discussion,

There has been much discussion over the year
of what to award DNF or to differentiate reasons since there are many
reasons for DNF. In the Nationals this year, a time limit caused many
racers to receive a DNF and they voiced an objection to only getting 1
point since they actually did complete the course. No changes have
yet been made and this is still open for discussion.

I would like to weigh in.

The specific of that event were that 3 fleets were essentially starting together A(Open and 8.5 limited production) and Sport as I recall.

Let's face it - An open class sailor on a formula board in high wind is going to clean the clock of a sport fleet sailor, and often an 8.5 limited sailor. Arden as I recall closed both Matt and I out on a few occasions, and he "was" sailing really well.

It was a difficult discussion to explain to Matt why he got only one point even though he had not signed up to race Arden.

My point is simple, if we ar going to impose a time limit, it should be reasonable to support on going racing, but should be structured at the fleet level, so that an open class sailor doesn't start the clock for other fleets.

It should ALSO be structured so racing can continue without major delay.

The adaptation I think used at Door County and during the later stages of Nationals was the RC would score you in the relative position on the course at closure (which allowed racing to progress), but awarded points to the Sport fleet sailors to promote their interest and progress, and then started the next sequence on time.

Having said what I said, I am still in favor of an in fleet time limit, especially Open A fleet of 20 minutes, and offer for discussion a time limit with relative position score for those struggling to complete the course in 8.5 limited and Sport, but in Open I DO support a close out.

Hope this helps - I would like to join the call if I am allowed

Happy T-Day to All!

Philip Sage
US 287

On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 12:52 PM, Jack <drjacksonwiley@...> wrote:

Hello Mowind members,

Now that the water is freezing over it is time to get ready for the
next year of windsurfing. The purpose of this discussion is to
determine what is important to Mowind for the next year. In a few
weeks in December (12-20-08, 8:00?), any interested members will have
a conference call and decide on the items discussed here.

Important topics that come to mind are:

Insurance
Classes and Fleets
Scoring
Web Page
Officers and Committees
Scheduling
Fundraising
Mowind Merchandise

Feel free to comment or introduce you own topic if you think it is
important.

I would like to summarize the past year and address some of the issues
from my personal experience as Mowind President.
Most importantly, we had a successful race season. The Mowind Race
series scored 15 races with an average attendance of 25,
and 75 racers attended more than one event. 29 racers attended more
than 4 events. I have listed 110 current Mowind members in the database.

In general, race directors were prompt in confirming event dates, and
submitting their insurance payments and scores. This reflects the
main purpose of Mowind, that is to provide regatta insurance for races
in our region. By doing so we can ensure that Mowind members and
directors are protected from liability and split the cost among the
events. If you would like to become more familiar with our coverage
please see this link
http://www.david-agency.com/signal/index.htm#Regatta%20Liability%20Insurance
We maintain both Regatta Liability and General Liability. For the
most part our organization is covered against anything, however there
are some exceptions. One major exception is the activity of
Kiteboarding, and that has led to some controversial decisions made by
me over the past year. Please take a moment to read this article as well:
http://www.scka.org/kitesuit.htm
Last year we entered new territory when Kiteboarding was included in
The Crossing. As incoming president I was presented with different
information regarding our insurance, some of which turned out to be
completely false. As a result I called our insurance agent to get my
questions answered. After that I decided to remove from the schedule
any events that included kiteboarding. During the year interested
people have been discussing the matter and many suggestions have been
proposed such as allowing some events to opt out of Mowind insurance
and attempting to obtain their own. This brings up other issues of
liability since Mowind would need some resources to review any
alternative insurance. Additionally, who wants to be responsible for
making these decisions? I consider this extremely important since
our insurance covers every Mowind member and volunteer, not just those
that make the decisions.

This issue also brought up the idea of a "sanctioned" event.
Currently all that is required to be a Mowind event is to pay dues for
insurance and choose a time and place.

There has been some discussion over the year of limiting the number of
events in order to encourage a larger attendance at fewer events.
This is based on the idea that participation was lower this year due
to higher gas prices. When comparing participation to last year
however, the numbers are approximately the same, with an event average
attendance of 22 for 2007. Two major points are that race directors
invest enough time and effort in their events that there shouldn't be
a limit on the number of events. We don't want to discourage new
events either and would like to keep the organization simple.

Over the past few years we have reorganized the classes at Mowind
events to reflect different participation. We combined some and
introduced others. Currently we have three levels:

A Fleet (advanced, usually completes two laps)
Open
Limited 8.5
Hybrid
Formula
Women

Sport Fleet (Intermediate, One lap)
Men
Women

Workshop Fleet (Short course, startline assistance)
Men
Women
Junior
Senior

Most race directors have used the Mowind classes, and that facilitated
adding the scores to the season totals. In addition to providing
insurance, a purpose of Mowind is to provide standard rules and
scoring for windsurfing events.

Our current scoring system is the Mowind Hi-point system. Hi-point
systems are prefferred for a series since they can simply be added
together. Lo-point systems need to be converted and the process is
not always simple. The Mowind system awards 1 point for starting, 1
for finishing, and 1 for each racer beaten. Traditionally, DNF has
been given only 1 point. There has been much discussion over the year
of what to award DNF or to differentiate reasons since there are many
reasons for DNF. In the Nationals this year, a time limit caused many
racers to receive a DNF and they voiced an objection to only getting 1
point since they actually did complete the course. No changes have
yet been made and this is still open for discussion. In order to
speed up the scoring process I have developed an Excel spreadsheet
that has worked well though it still has many limitations. Anyone
interested in making revisions is welcome to have a go at it.

This year in addition to the Yahoo discussion group, we added a Web
page at Mowind.org. Lots of work by Scott Haas and Ulf Jentler
resulted in a great place for posting schedules, scores, pictures, and
event summaries. Anyone involved in event planning should be able to
keep their events updated. Contact Scott to register with the site or
at least provide links your event site.

Also listed on the web page are the names of Mowind officers and
committee members. To my knowledge we have had little committee
activity this year. If we are going to have committees, then
committee members should be communicating throughout the year.
Many of us including myself falsely believe that we will have more
time later. Reflecting on the past year, however, I realize that at
many events I hardly had time to talk to people, and I felt like I was
constantly running around. This reinforces my belief that Mowind
should maintain the simplest structure it can, so we can be busy
having fun and visiting, rather than doing administrative activities.
For this year we have the following people and positions.

* President: Dr. Jack Wiley
* VP/Secretary: Ulf Jentler
* Treasurer: Craig Bergh
* Scorer: Jack Wiley, Jeff Koeberl
* News: Scott Haas

* Calendar: Jeff Adamski, Craig Bergh
* Scoring/Rules: Jeff Adamski, Arnie Cleveland, Larry Reed, Kevin
Gratton
* Awards: Larry Reed, Ulf Jentler, Woody, Don Altmeyer
* Sponsorships/Raffle: Rod Clevenger, Kevin Gratton, Mike, Ulf Jentler
* Forum and Web: Arden Anderson , Ulf Jentler, Scott Haas

We should discuss what committees we want for this year as well as
hear from those who want to be involved. At this time I would also
like to solicit nominations for officers, particularly President, and
Vice President. I myself (Jack) am not going to be president next
year and Ulf has left the country for a while. Perhaps it would be a
good time to determine what the president is actually supposed to do.

There have been several ideas this year regarding fundraising and we
should discuss what we think is appropriate, keeping in mind the
amount of time involved. There has been some discussion of printing
up Mowind shirts and stickers. I also tried out a project myself this
year with lanyards though it may have been too ambitious.
My idea was to provide all Mowind Members with Mowind Lanyards and an
ID card. I put together a template for ID cards, but the main hurdle
was getting individual pictures. I was hoping to be able to get those
at events but found I had little time to get it done. I posted on the
web page that people could email me their picture for a free ID card,
however I got no responses. I have since come to realize that the
Mowind web page is great for checking schedules and scores, but not
for engaging participants in new activities. We have a raffle going
as well though it got a late start this year. Tickets have been for
sale at some events as well as on the web page. Sales at the events
were good while those from the web page were low. We need to figure
out what fundraisers are worth doing and what is a good way of doing them.

Please Take some time to think about the issues important to you and
whether you think Mowind is headed in the right direction. Using this
format for a discussion will allow interested members to digest
information and reply on their own time. We will schedule a
conference call Mid December. A tentative date is Sat. Dec. 20th at
8:00 central time.

Thank you for taking the time to read this and contributing to Mowind.



#491 From: Arden Anderson <ardenalan@...>
Date: Wed Nov 26, 2008 8:34 pm
Subject: Re: 2009 Upcoming Season Discussion and conference call
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Good comments Phil. The point about how an over-arching A-fleet time limit has more effect on the limited classes is well taken. I am a big fan of a "popcorn" style rule in conjunction with the current rule. That is, the finish line is open for 20 minutes after the first finisher (as we do now) and REMAINS OPEN as long as finishers continue to come across within some reasonable spread of each other (the kernels keep popping). I think that spread could be anywhere between 1 minute and 5 minutes.
 
An example, using 5 minutes for the popcorn duration.
 
- The first finisher completes the course at 1:00 pm
 
- 14 more finishers compelete the course by 1:20, all being scored within the existing rules
 
- 2 more finishers are neck and neck near approaching the finish line at 1:20, but don't actually cross until 1:21. Under the exisiting rules they would get a DNF, along with any others still on the course. However, with a popcorn rule in place, they would now be scored as 15th and 16th. Furthermore, the finish time will now be EXTENDED another 5 minutes (to 1:26)
 
- 4 more people finish by 1:26 (for 17-20th  place), also extending the time limit by another 5 minutes to 1:31
 
- Let's say two more people are left on course at this point. If either finishes before the new deadline of 1:31 the line can remain open yet another 5 minutes, but if neither finishes by 1:31, they both receive a DNF (or perhaps get scored in place; this is subject to further discussion or the discretion of the RC).
 
- Overall, this reasonable example allowed 20 finishers instead of 15, while extending the finishing time by an extra 11 minutes (from 1:20 to 1:31).
I think this is a flexible method of accounting for various conditions while keeping the pace of races moving along. The specifics of the implementation are subject to discussion: Should it be 5 minutes or something different? Should each extension be of the same duration (5 minute extension the first time, but 3 minutes the second time and only 1 minute thereafter...maybe just leave it to the discretion of the RC)?
 
Happy Holidays!
Arden


From: Philip S <PTSMANTUA@...>
To: mowind@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2008 6:43:30 PM
Subject: Re: [mowind] 2009 Upcoming Season Discussion and conference call

Hi Jack and fellow MOWIND members,

Greetings form NE Ohio and a foot or so of fresh wet snow.

Hoping that I can contribute more this coming season as I have a new job, that is based in Ohio, and while it does require travel, I was asked to block out preferred times that I would like to be in the US. (so I chose the best guess at the MOWIND schedule)

We are at least debating hosting an event in NE Ohio as a 3rd event from Ohio, and wanted to get that idea on the radar screen for discussion, but want to do it "with" MOWIND, TABA and the COWS so we don't detract from other great events.

As far as getting to events - for myself and family - coming from the near edge of MOWIND territory makes for some very long trips into WI and MN, even thought there are some excellent regattas.

Had I not tried to rip off my finger, we would have made it to Fond du Lac and Higgens, but I suspect we are an exception and just had a blast doing the MOWIND tour this summer when I could.

Point is - gas was high - but hours in the car/truck still outweigh the cost of gas. It is a long way to go on a weekend, and a 12 hour drive each way makes it tough when the event finishes near 6 PM on Sunday.

That said - I hope the event schedule is better and Matt, Sam and I look forward to seeing you all soon.

As far as the DNF discussion,

There has been much discussion over the year
of what to award DNF or to differentiate reasons since there are many
reasons for DNF. In the Nationals this year, a time limit caused many
racers to receive a DNF and they voiced an objection to only getting 1
point since they actually did complete the course. No changes have
yet been made and this is still open for discussion.

I would like to weigh in.

The specific of that event were that 3 fleets were essentially starting together A(Open and 8.5 limited production) and Sport as I recall.

Let's face it - An open class sailor on a formula board in high wind is going to clean the clock of a sport fleet sailor, and often an 8.5 limited sailor. Arden as I recall closed both Matt and I out on a few occasions, and he "was" sailing really well.

It was a difficult discussion to explain to Matt why he got only one point even though he had not signed up to race Arden.

My point is simple, if we ar going to impose a time limit, it should be reasonable to support on going racing, but should be structured at the fleet level, so that an open class sailor doesn't start the clock for other fleets.

It should ALSO be structured so racing can continue without major delay.

The adaptation I think used at Door County and during the later stages of Nationals was the RC would score you in the relative position on the course at closure (which allowed racing to progress), but awarded points to the Sport fleet sailors to promote their interest and progress, and then started the next sequence on time.

Having said what I said, I am still in favor of an in fleet time limit, especially Open A fleet of 20 minutes, and offer for discussion a time limit with relative position score for those struggling to complete the course in 8.5 limited and Sport, but in Open I DO support a close out.

Hope this helps - I would like to join the call if I am allowed

Happy T-Day to All!

Philip Sage
US 287

On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 12:52 PM, Jack <drjacksonwiley@ yahoo.com> wrote:

Hello Mowind members,

Now that the water is freezing over it is time to get ready for the
next year of windsurfing. The purpose of this discussion is to
determine what is important to Mowind for the next year. In a few
weeks in December (12-20-08, 8:00?), any interested members will have
a conference call and decide on the items discussed here.

Important topics that come to mind are:

Insurance
Classes and Fleets
Scoring
Web Page
Officers and Committees
Scheduling
Fundraising
Mowind Merchandise

Feel free to comment or introduce you own topic if you think it is
important.

I would like to summarize the past year and address some of the issues
from my personal experience as Mowind President.
Most importantly, we had a successful race season. The Mowind Race
series scored 15 races with an average attendance of 25,
and 75 racers attended more than one event. 29 racers attended more
than 4 events. I have listed 110 current Mowind members in the database.

In general, race directors were prompt in confirming event dates, and
submitting their insurance payments and scores. This reflects the
main purpose of Mowind, that is to provide regatta insurance for races
in our region. By doing so we can ensure that Mowind members and
directors are protected from liability and split the cost among the
events. If you would like to become more familiar with our coverage
please see this link
http://www.david- agency.com/ signal/index. htm#Regatta% 20Liability% 20Insurance
We maintain both Regatta Liability and General Liability. For the
most part our organization is covered against anything, however there
are some exceptions. One major exception is the activity of
Kiteboarding, and that has led to some controversial decisions made by
me over the past year. Please take a moment to read this article as well:
http://www.scka. org/kitesuit. htm
Last year we entered new territory when Kiteboarding was included in
The Crossing. As incoming president I was presented with different
information regarding our insurance, some of which turned out to be
completely false. As a result I called our insurance agent to get my
questions answered. After that I decided to remove from the schedule
any events that included kiteboarding. During the year interested
people have been discussing the matter and many suggestions have been
proposed such as allowing some events to opt out of Mowind insurance
and attempting to obtain their own. This brings up other issues of
liability since Mowind would need some resources to review any
alternative insurance. Additionally, who wants to be responsible for
making these decisions? I consider this extremely important since
our insurance covers every Mowind member and volunteer, not just those
that make the decisions.

This issue also brought up the idea of a "sanctioned" event.
Currently all that is required to be a Mowind event is to pay dues for
insurance and choose a time and place.

There has been some discussion over the year of limiting the number of
events in order to encourage a larger attendance at fewer events.
This is based on the idea that participation was lower this year due
to higher gas prices. When comparing participation to last year
however, the numbers are approximately the same, with an event average
attendance of 22 for 2007. Two major points are that race directors
invest enough time and effort in their events that there shouldn't be
a limit on the number of events. We don't want to discourage new
events either and would like to keep the organization simple.

Over the past few years we have reorganized the classes at Mowind
events to reflect different participation. We combined some and
introduced others. Currently we have three levels:

A Fleet (advanced, usually completes two laps)
Open
Limited 8.5
Hybrid
Formula
Women

Sport Fleet (Intermediate, One lap)
Men
Women

Workshop Fleet (Short course, startline assistance)
Men
Women
Junior
Senior

Most race directors have used the Mowind classes, and that facilitated
adding the scores to the season totals. In addition to providing
insurance, a purpose of Mowind is to provide standard rules and
scoring for windsurfing events.

Our current scoring system is the Mowind Hi-point system. Hi-point
systems are prefferred for a series since they can simply be added
together. Lo-point systems need to be converted and the process is
not always simple. The Mowind system awards 1 point for starting, 1
for finishing, and 1 for each racer beaten. Traditionally, DNF has
been given only 1 point. There has been much discussion over the year
of what to award DNF or to differentiate reasons since there are many
reasons for DNF. In the Nationals this year, a time limit caused many
racers to receive a DNF and they voiced an objection to only getting 1
point since they actually did complete the course. No changes have
yet been made and this is still open for discussion. In order to
speed up the scoring process I have developed an Excel spreadsheet
that has worked well though it still has many limitations. Anyone
interested in making revisions is welcome to have a go at it.

This year in addition to the Yahoo discussion group, we added a Web
page at Mowind.org. Lots of work by Scott Haas and Ulf Jentler
resulted in a great place for posting schedules, scores, pictures, and
event summaries. Anyone involved in event planning should be able to
keep their events updated. Contact Scott to register with the site or
at least provide links your event site.

Also listed on the web page are the names of Mowind officers and
committee members. To my knowledge we have had little committee
activity this year. If we are going to have committees, then
committee members should be communicating throughout the year.
Many of us including myself falsely believe that we will have more
time later. Reflecting on the past year, however, I realize that at
many events I hardly had time to talk to people, and I felt like I was
constantly running around. This reinforces my belief that Mowind
should maintain the simplest structure it can, so we can be busy
having fun and visiting, rather than doing administrative activities.
For this year we have the following people and positions.

* President: Dr. Jack Wiley
* VP/Secretary: Ulf Jentler
* Treasurer: Craig Bergh
* Scorer: Jack Wiley, Jeff Koeberl
* News: Scott Haas

* Calendar: Jeff Adamski, Craig Bergh
* Scoring/Rules: Jeff Adamski, Arnie Cleveland, Larry Reed, Kevin
Gratton
* Awards: Larry Reed, Ulf Jentler, Woody, Don Altmeyer
* Sponsorships/ Raffle: Rod Clevenger, Kevin Gratton, Mike, Ulf Jentler
* Forum and Web: Arden Anderson , Ulf Jentler, Scott Haas

We should discuss what committees we want for this year as well as
hear from those who want to be involved. At this time I would also
like to solicit nominations for officers, particularly President, and
Vice President. I myself (Jack) am not going to be president next
year and Ulf has left the country for a while. Perhaps it would be a
good time to determine what the president is actually supposed to do.

There have been several ideas this year regarding fundraising and we
should discuss what we think is appropriate, keeping in mind the
amount of time involved. There has been some discussion of printing
up Mowind shirts and stickers. I also tried out a project myself this
year with lanyards though it may have been too ambitious.
My idea was to provide all Mowind Members with Mowind Lanyards and an
ID card. I put together a template for ID cards, but the main hurdle
was getting individual pictures. I was hoping to be able to get those
at events but found I had little time to get it done. I posted on the
web page that people could email me their picture for a free ID card,
however I got no responses. I have since come to realize that the
Mowind web page is great for checking schedules and scores, but not
for engaging participants in new activities. We have a raffle going
as well though it got a late start this year. Tickets have been for
sale at some events as well as on the web page. Sales at the events
were good while those from the web page were low. We need to figure
out what fundraisers are worth doing and what is a good way of doing them.

Please Take some time to think about the issues important to you and
whether you think Mowind is headed in the right direction. Using this
format for a discussion will allow interested members to digest
information and reply on their own time. We will schedule a
conference call Mid December. A tentative date is Sat. Dec. 20th at
8:00 central time.

Thank you for taking the time to read this and contributing to Mowind.




#492 From: Brad Woodworth <windsurfwoody@...>
Date: Wed Nov 26, 2008 9:16 pm
Subject: Re: 2009 Upcoming Season Discussion and conference call
windsurfwoody
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Lots to talk about coming up for sure, but I have to pipe up on this one...
 
I think the finish should be ultimately be left to the discretion of the RC. If you're trying to get off 20 races over the weekend, then you'd have to start thinking about a "time limit". But really, what not a better way to get our beginner windsurfer's turned OFF of racing than by imposing a time limit on them! Give them a break for gosh sakes. Lets not try to re-build Rome here folks, lets keep it SIMPLE and FUN!! If we start over-ruling ourselves to death, then we're going to see a lack of new faces in the regatta scene. It's happening already...
 
Keeping time limits in place at National Level events only makes sense.
 
Cheers,
 
Woody
 


----- Original Message -----
From: Arden Anderson <ardenalan@...>
Date: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 2:34 pm
Subject: Re: [mowind] 2009 Upcoming Season Discussion and conference call
To: mowind@yahoogroups.com

> Good comments Phil. The point about how an over-arching A-fleet
> time limit has more effect on the limited classes is well taken.
> I am a big fan of a "popcorn" style rule in conjunction with the
> current rule. That is, the finish line is open for 20 minutes
> after the first finisher (as we do now) and REMAINS OPEN as long
> as finishers continue to come across within some reasonable
> spread of each other (the kernels keep popping). I think that
> spread could be anywhere between 1 minute and 5 minutes.
>
> An example, using 5 minutes for the popcorn duration.
>
> - The first finisher completes the course at 1:00 pm
>
> - 14 more finishers compelete the course by 1:20, all being
> scored within the existing rules
>
> - 2 more finishers are neck and neck near approaching the finish
> line at 1:20, but don't actually cross until 1:21. Under the
> exisiting rules they would get a DNF, along with any others
> still on the course. However, with a popcorn rule in place, they
> would now be scored as 15th and 16th. Furthermore, the finish
> time will now be EXTENDED another 5 minutes (to 1:26)
>
> - 4 more people finish by 1:26 (for 17-20th  place), also
> extending the time limit by another 5 minutes to 1:31
>
> - Let's say two more people are left on course at this point. If
> either finishes before the new deadline of 1:31 the line can
> remain open yet another 5 minutes, but if neither finishes by
> 1:31, they both receive a DNF (or perhaps get scored in place;
> this is subject to further discussion or the discretion of the RC).
>
> - Overall, this reasonable example allowed 20 finishers instead
> of 15, while extending the finishing time by an extra 11 minutes
> (from 1:20 to 1:31).
>
> I think this is a flexible method of accounting for various
> conditions while keeping the pace of races moving along. The
> specifics of the implementation are subject to discussion:
> Should it be 5 minutes or something different? Should each
> extension be of the same duration (5 minute extension the first
> time, but 3 minutes the second time and only 1 minute
> thereafter...maybe just leave it to the discretion of the RC)?
>
> Happy Holidays!
> Arden
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Philip S <PTSMANTUA@...>
> To: mowind@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2008 6:43:30 PM
> Subject: Re: [mowind] 2009 Upcoming Season Discussion and
> conference call
>
>
> Hi Jack and fellow MOWIND members,
>
> Greetings form NE Ohio and a foot or so of fresh wet snow.
>
> Hoping that I can contribute more this coming season as I have a
> new job, that is based in Ohio, and while it does require
> travel, I was asked to block out preferred times that I would
> like to be in the US. (so I chose the best guess at the MOWIND
> schedule)
> We are at least debating hosting an event in NE Ohio as a 3rd
> event from Ohio, and wanted to get that idea on the radar screen
> for discussion, but want to do it "with" MOWIND, TABA and the
> COWS so we don't detract from other great events.
>
> As far as getting to events - for myself and family - coming
> from the near edge of MOWIND territory makes for some very long
> trips into WI and MN, even thought there are some excellent regattas.
>
> Had I not tried to rip off my finger, we would have made it to
> Fond du Lac and Higgens, but I suspect we are an exception and
> just had a blast doing the MOWIND tour this summer when I could.
>
> Point is - gas was high - but hours in the car/truck still
> outweigh the cost of gas. It is a long way to go on a weekend,
> and a 12 hour drive each way makes it tough when the event
> finishes near 6 PM on Sunday.
>
> That said - I hope the event schedule is better and Matt, Sam
> and I look forward to seeing you all soon.
>
> As far as the DNF discussion,
>
> There has been much discussion over the year
> of what to award DNF or to differentiate reasons since there are many
> reasons for DNF. In the Nationals this year, a time limit caused many
> racers to receive a DNF and they voiced an objection to only
> getting 1
> point since they actually did complete the course. No changes have
> yet been made and this is still open for discussion.
>
> I would like to weigh in.
>
> The specific of that event were that 3 fleets were essentially
> starting together A(Open and 8.5 limited production) and Sport
> as I recall.
>
> Let's face it - An open class sailor on a formula board in high
> wind is going to clean the clock of a sport fleet sailor, and
> often an 8.5 limited sailor. Arden as I recall closed both Matt
> and I out on a few occasions, and he "was" sailing really well.
>
> It was a difficult discussion to explain to Matt why he got only
> one point even though he had not signed up to race Arden.
>
> My point is simple, if we ar going to impose a time limit, it
> should be reasonable to support on going racing, but should be
> structured at the fleet level, so that an open class sailor
> doesn't start the clock for other fleets.
>
> It should ALSO be structured so racing can continue without
> major delay.
>
> The adaptation I think used at Door County and during the later
> stages of Nationals was the RC would score you in the relative
> position on the course at closure (which allowed racing to
> progress), but awarded points to the Sport fleet sailors to
> promote their interest and progress, and then started the next
> sequence on time.
>
> Having said what I said, I am still in favor of an in fleet time
> limit, especially Open A fleet of 20 minutes, and offer for
> discussion a time limit with relative position score for those
> struggling to complete the course in 8.5 limited and Sport, but
> in Open I DO support a close out.
>
> Hope this helps - I would like to join the call if I am allowed
>
> Happy T-Day to All!
>
> Philip Sage
> US 287
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 12:52 PM, Jack <drjacksonwiley@
> yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Hello Mowind members,
>
> Now that the water is freezing over it is time to get ready for the
> next year of windsurfing. The purpose of this discussion is to
> determine what is important to Mowind for the next year. In a few
> weeks in December (12-20-08, 8:00?), any interested members will have
> a conference call and decide on the items discussed here.
>
> Important topics that come to mind are:
>
> Insurance
> Classes and Fleets
> Scoring
> Web Page
> Officers and Committees
> Scheduling
> Fundraising
> Mowind Merchandise
>
> Feel free to comment or introduce you own topic if you think it is
> important.
>
> I would like to summarize the past year and address some of the issues
> from my personal experience as Mowind President.
> Most importantly, we had a successful race season. The Mowind Race
> series scored 15 races with an average attendance of 25,
> and 75 racers attended more than one event. 29 racers attended more
> than 4 events. I have listed 110 current Mowind members in the
> database.
> In general, race directors were prompt in confirming event
> dates, and
> submitting their insurance payments and scores. This reflects the
> main purpose of Mowind, that is to provide regatta insurance for races
> in our region. By doing so we can ensure that Mowind members and
> directors are protected from liability and split the cost among the
> events. If you would like to become more familiar with our coverage
> please see this link
> http://www.david- agency.com/ signal/index. htm#Regatta%
> 20Liability% 20Insurance
> We maintain both Regatta Liability and General Liability. For the
> most part our organization is covered against anything, however there
> are some exceptions. One major exception is the activity of
> Kiteboarding, and that has led to some controversial decisions
> made by
> me over the past year. Please take a moment to read this article
> as well:
> http://www.scka. org/kitesuit. htm
> Last year we entered new territory when Kiteboarding was
> included in
> The Crossing. As incoming president I was presented with different
> information regarding our insurance, some of which turned out to be
> completely false. As a result I called our insurance agent to
> get my
> questions answered. After that I decided to remove from the schedule
> any events that included kiteboarding. During the year
> interested
> people have been discussing the matter and many suggestions have been
> proposed such as allowing some events to opt out of Mowind insurance
> and attempting to obtain their own. This brings up other issues of
> liability since Mowind would need some resources to review any
> alternative insurance. Additionally, who wants to be responsible for
> making these decisions? I consider this extremely important
> since
> our insurance covers every Mowind member and volunteer, not just those
> that make the decisions.
>
> This issue also brought up the idea of a "sanctioned" event.
> Currently all that is required to be a Mowind event is to pay
> dues for
> insurance and choose a time and place.
>
> There has been some discussion over the year of limiting the
> number of
> events in order to encourage a larger attendance at fewer
> events.
> This is based on the idea that participation was lower this year due
> to higher gas prices. When comparing participation to last year
> however, the numbers are approximately the same, with an event average
> attendance of 22 for 2007. Two major points are that race directors
> invest enough time and effort in their events that there
> shouldn't be
> a limit on the number of events. We don't want to discourage new
> events either and would like to keep the organization simple.
>
> Over the past few years we have reorganized the classes at Mowind
> events to reflect different participation. We combined some and
> introduced others. Currently we have three levels:
>
> A Fleet (advanced, usually completes two laps)
> Open
> Limited 8.5
> Hybrid
> Formula
> Women
>
> Sport Fleet (Intermediate, One lap)
> Men
> Women
>
> Workshop Fleet (Short course, startline assistance)
> Men
> Women
> Junior
> Senior
>
> Most race directors have used the Mowind classes, and that facilitated
> adding the scores to the season totals. In addition to providing
> insurance, a purpose of Mowind is to provide standard rules and
> scoring for windsurfing events.
>
> Our current scoring system is the Mowind Hi-point system. Hi-point
> systems are prefferred for a series since they can simply be added
> together. Lo-point systems need to be converted and the process is
> not always simple. The Mowind system awards 1 point for
> starting, 1
> for finishing, and 1 for each racer beaten. Traditionally, DNF has
> been given only 1 point. There has been much discussion over the year
> of what to award DNF or to differentiate reasons since there are many
> reasons for DNF. In the Nationals this year, a time limit caused many
> racers to receive a DNF and they voiced an objection to only
> getting 1
> point since they actually did complete the course. No changes have
> yet been made and this is still open for discussion. In order to
> speed up the scoring process I have developed an Excel spreadsheet
> that has worked well though it still has many limitations. Anyone
> interested in making revisions is welcome to have a go at it.
>
> This year in addition to the Yahoo discussion group, we added a Web
> page at Mowind.org. Lots of work by Scott Haas and Ulf Jentler
> resulted in a great place for posting schedules, scores,
> pictures, and
> event summaries. Anyone involved in event planning should be
> able to
> keep their events updated. Contact Scott to register with the
> site or
> at least provide links your event site.
>
> Also listed on the web page are the names of Mowind officers and
> committee members. To my knowledge we have had little committee
> activity this year. If we are going to have committees, then
> committee members should be communicating throughout the year.
> Many of us including myself falsely believe that we will have more
> time later. Reflecting on the past year, however, I realize that at
> many events I hardly had time to talk to people, and I felt like
> I was
> constantly running around. This reinforces my belief that Mowind
> should maintain the simplest structure it can, so we can be busy
> having fun and visiting, rather than doing administrative activities.
> For this year we have the following people and positions.
>
> * President: Dr. Jack Wiley
> * VP/Secretary: Ulf Jentler
> * Treasurer: Craig Bergh
> * Scorer: Jack Wiley, Jeff Koeberl
> * News: Scott Haas
>
> * Calendar: Jeff Adamski, Craig Bergh
> * Scoring/Rules: Jeff Adamski, Arnie Cleveland, Larry Reed, Kevin
> Gratton
> * Awards: Larry Reed, Ulf Jentler, Woody, Don Altmeyer
> * Sponsorships/ Raffle: Rod Clevenger, Kevin Gratton, Mike, Ulf
> Jentler* Forum and Web: Arden Anderson , Ulf Jentler, Scott Haas
>
> We should discuss what committees we want for this year as well as
> hear from those who want to be involved. At this time I would also
> like to solicit nominations for officers, particularly
> President, and
> Vice President. I myself (Jack) am not going to be president next
> year and Ulf has left the country for a while. Perhaps it would
> be a
> good time to determine what the president is actually supposed
> to do.
>
> There have been several ideas this year regarding fundraising
> and we
> should discuss what we think is appropriate, keeping in mind the
> amount of time involved. There has been some discussion of printing
> up Mowind shirts and stickers. I also tried out a project myself this
> year with lanyards though it may have been too ambitious.
> My idea was to provide all Mowind Members with Mowind Lanyards
> and an
> ID card. I put together a template for ID cards, but the main hurdle
> was getting individual pictures. I was hoping to be able to get those
> at events but found I had little time to get it done. I posted
> on the
> web page that people could email me their picture for a free ID card,
> however I got no responses. I have since come to realize that the
> Mowind web page is great for checking schedules and scores, but not
> for engaging participants in new activities. We have a raffle going
> as well though it got a late start this year. Tickets have been for
> sale at some events as well as on the web page. Sales at the events
> were good while those from the web page were low. We need to figure
> out what fundraisers are worth doing and what is a good way of
> doing them.
>
> Please Take some time to think about the issues important to you and
> whether you think Mowind is headed in the right direction. Using this
> format for a discussion will allow interested members to digest
> information and reply on their own time. We will schedule a
> conference call Mid December. A tentative date is Sat. Dec. 20th at
> 8:00 central time.
>
> Thank you for taking the time to read this and contributing to Mowind.
>
>
>  
>
>
>      

#493 From: "Philip S" <PTSMANTUA@...>
Date: Thu Nov 27, 2008 1:37 am
Subject: Re: 2009 Upcoming Season Discussion and conference call
ptsmantua
Send Email Send Email
 
Good points by both Woody and Arden.

I like the popcorn rule with some semblance of Woody's reasonableness.

Philip US 287



On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 4:16 PM, Brad Woodworth <windsurfwoody@...> wrote:

Lots to talk about coming up for sure, but I have to pipe up on this one...
 
I think the finish should be ultimately be left to the discretion of the RC. If you're trying to get off 20 races over the weekend, then you'd have to start thinking about a "time limit". But really, what not a better way to get our beginner windsurfer's turned OFF of racing than by imposing a time limit on them! Give them a break for gosh sakes. Lets not try to re-build Rome here folks, lets keep it SIMPLE and FUN!! If we start over-ruling ourselves to death, then we're going to see a lack of new faces in the regatta scene. It's happening already...
 
Keeping time limits in place at National Level events only makes sense.
 
Cheers,
 
Woody
 


----- Original Message -----
From: Arden Anderson <ardenalan@...>
Date: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 2:34 pm
Subject: Re: [mowind] 2009 Upcoming Season Discussion and conference call
To: mowind@yahoogroups.com

> Good comments Phil. The point about how an over-arching A-fleet
> time limit has more effect on the limited classes is well taken.
> I am a big fan of a "popcorn" style rule in conjunction with the
> current rule. That is, the finish line is open for 20 minutes
> after the first finisher (as we do now) and REMAINS OPEN as long
> as finishers continue to come across within some reasonable
> spread of each other (the kernels keep popping). I think that
> spread could be anywhere between 1 minute and 5 minutes.
>
> An example, using 5 minutes for the popcorn duration.
>
> - The first finisher completes the course at 1:00 pm
>
> - 14 more finishers compelete the course by 1:20, all being
> scored within the existing rules
>
> - 2 more finishers are neck and neck near approaching the finish
> line at 1:20, but don't actually cross until 1:21. Under the
> exisiting rules they would get a DNF, along with any others
> still on the course. However, with a popcorn rule in place, they
> would now be scored as 15th and 16th. Furthermore, the finish
> time will now be EXTENDED another 5 minutes (to 1:26)
>
> - 4 more people finish by 1:26 (for 17-20th  place), also
> extending the time limit by another 5 minutes to 1:31
>
> - Let's say two more people are left on course at this point. If
> either finishes before the new deadline of 1:31 the line can
> remain open yet another 5 minutes, but if neither finishes by
> 1:31, they both receive a DNF (or perhaps get scored in place;
> this is subject to further discussion or the discretion of the RC).
>
> - Overall, this reasonable example allowed 20 finishers instead
> of 15, while extending the finishing time by an extra 11 minutes
> (from 1:20 to 1:31).
>
> I think this is a flexible method of accounting for various
> conditions while keeping the pace of races moving along. The
> specifics of the implementation are subject to discussion:
> Should it be 5 minutes or something different? Should each
> extension be of the same duration (5 minute extension the first
> time, but 3 minutes the second time and only 1 minute
> thereafter...maybe just leave it to the discretion of the RC)?
>
> Happy Holidays!
> Arden
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Philip S <PTSMANTUA@...>
> To: mowind@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2008 6:43:30 PM
> Subject: Re: [mowind] 2009 Upcoming Season Discussion and
> conference call
>
>
> Hi Jack and fellow MOWIND members,
>
> Greetings form NE Ohio and a foot or so of fresh wet snow.
>
> Hoping that I can contribute more this coming season as I have a
> new job, that is based in Ohio, and while it does require
> travel, I was asked to block out preferred times that I would
> like to be in the US. (so I chose the best guess at the MOWIND
> schedule)
> We are at least debating hosting an event in NE Ohio as a 3rd
> event from Ohio, and wanted to get that idea on the radar screen
> for discussion, but want to do it "with" MOWIND, TABA and the
> COWS so we don't detract from other great events.
>
> As far as getting to events - for myself and family - coming
> from the near edge of MOWIND territory makes for some very long
> trips into WI and MN, even thought there are some excellent regattas.
>
> Had I not tried to rip off my finger, we would have made it to
> Fond du Lac and Higgens, but I suspect we are an exception and
> just had a blast doing the MOWIND tour this summer when I could.
>
> Point is - gas was high - but hours in the car/truck still
> outweigh the cost of gas. It is a long way to go on a weekend,
> and a 12 hour drive each way makes it tough when the event
> finishes near 6 PM on Sunday.
>
> That said - I hope the event schedule is better and Matt, Sam
> and I look forward to seeing you all soon.
>
> As far as the DNF discussion,
>
> There has been much discussion over the year
> of what to award DNF or to differentiate reasons since there are many
> reasons for DNF. In the Nationals this year, a time limit caused many
> racers to receive a DNF and they voiced an objection to only
> getting 1
> point since they actually did complete the course. No changes have
> yet been made and this is still open for discussion.
>
> I would like to weigh in.
>
> The specific of that event were that 3 fleets were essentially
> starting together A(Open and 8.5 limited production) and Sport
> as I recall.
>
> Let's face it - An open class sailor on a formula board in high
> wind is going to clean the clock of a sport fleet sailor, and
> often an 8.5 limited sailor. Arden as I recall closed both Matt
> and I out on a few occasions, and he "was" sailing really well.
>
> It was a difficult discussion to explain to Matt why he got only
> one point even though he had not signed up to race Arden.
>
> My point is simple, if we ar going to impose a time limit, it
> should be reasonable to support on going racing, but should be
> structured at the fleet level, so that an open class sailor
> doesn't start the clock for other fleets.
>
> It should ALSO be structured so racing can continue without
> major delay.
>
> The adaptation I think used at Door County and during the later
> stages of Nationals was the RC would score you in the relative
> position on the course at closure (which allowed racing to
> progress), but awarded points to the Sport fleet sailors to
> promote their interest and progress, and then started the next
> sequence on time.
>
> Having said what I said, I am still in favor of an in fleet time
> limit, especially Open A fleet of 20 minutes, and offer for
> discussion a time limit with relative position score for those
> struggling to complete the course in 8.5 limited and Sport, but
> in Open I DO support a close out.
>
> Hope this helps - I would like to join the call if I am allowed
>
> Happy T-Day to All!
>
> Philip Sage
> US 287
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 12:52 PM, Jack <drjacksonwiley@
> yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Hello Mowind members,
>
> Now that the water is freezing over it is time to get ready for the
> next year of windsurfing. The purpose of this discussion is to
> determine what is important to Mowind for the next year. In a few
> weeks in December (12-20-08, 8:00?), any interested members will have
> a conference call and decide on the items discussed here.
>
> Important topics that come to mind are:
>
> Insurance
> Classes and Fleets
> Scoring
> Web Page
> Officers and Committees
> Scheduling
> Fundraising
> Mowind Merchandise
>
> Feel free to comment or introduce you own topic if you think it is
> important.
>
> I would like to summarize the past year and address some of the issues
> from my personal experience as Mowind President.
> Most importantly, we had a successful race season. The Mowind Race
> series scored 15 races with an average attendance of 25,
> and 75 racers attended more than one event. 29 racers attended more
> than 4 events. I have listed 110 current Mowind members in the
> database.
> In general, race directors were prompt in confirming event
> dates, and
> submitting their insurance payments and scores. This reflects the
> main purpose of Mowind, that is to provide regatta insurance for races
> in our region. By doing so we can ensure that Mowind members and
> directors are protected from liability and split the cost among the
> events. If you would like to become more familiar with our coverage
> please see this link
> http://www.david- agency.com/ signal/index. htm#Regatta%
> 20Liability% 20Insurance
> We maintain both Regatta Liability and General Liability. For the
> most part our organization is covered against anything, however there
> are some exceptions. One major exception is the activity of
> Kiteboarding, and that has led to some controversial decisions
> made by
> me over the past year. Please take a moment to read this article
> as well:
> http://www.scka. org/kitesuit. htm
> Last year we entered new territory when Kiteboarding was
> included in
> The Crossing. As incoming president I was presented with different
> information regarding our insurance, some of which turned out to be
> completely false. As a result I called our insurance agent to
> get my
> questions answered. After that I decided to remove from the schedule
> any events that included kiteboarding. During the year
> interested
> people have been discussing the matter and many suggestions have been
> proposed such as allowing some events to opt out of Mowind insurance
> and attempting to obtain their own. This brings up other issues of
> liability since Mowind would need some resources to review any
> alternative insurance. Additionally, who wants to be responsible for
> making these decisions? I consider this extremely important
> since
> our insurance covers every Mowind member and volunteer, not just those
> that make the decisions.
>
> This issue also brought up the idea of a "sanctioned" event.
> Currently all that is required to be a Mowind event is to pay
> dues for
> insurance and choose a time and place.
>
> There has been some discussion over the year of limiting the
> number of
> events in order to encourage a larger attendance at fewer
> events.
> This is based on the idea that participation was lower this year due
> to higher gas prices. When comparing participation to last year
> however, the numbers are approximately the same, with an event average
> attendance of 22 for 2007. Two major points are that race directors
> invest enough time and effort in their events that there
> shouldn't be
> a limit on the number of events. We don't want to discourage new
> events either and would like to keep the organization simple.
>
> Over the past few years we have reorganized the classes at Mowind
> events to reflect different participation. We combined some and
> introduced others. Currently we have three levels:
>
> A Fleet (advanced, usually completes two laps)
> Open
> Limited 8.5
> Hybrid
> Formula
> Women
>
> Sport Fleet (Intermediate, One lap)
> Men
> Women
>
> Workshop Fleet (Short course, startline assistance)
> Men
> Women
> Junior
> Senior
>
> Most race directors have used the Mowind classes, and that facilitated
> adding the scores to the season totals. In addition to providing
> insurance, a purpose of Mowind is to provide standard rules and
> scoring for windsurfing events.
>
> Our current scoring system is the Mowind Hi-point system. Hi-point
> systems are prefferred for a series since they can simply be added
> together. Lo-point systems need to be converted and the process is
> not always simple. The Mowind system awards 1 point for
> starting, 1
> for finishing, and 1 for each racer beaten. Traditionally, DNF has
> been given only 1 point. There has been much discussion over the year
> of what to award DNF or to differentiate reasons since there are many
> reasons for DNF. In the Nationals this year, a time limit caused many
> racers to receive a DNF and they voiced an objection to only
> getting 1
> point since they actually did complete the course. No changes have
> yet been made and this is still open for discussion. In order to
> speed up the scoring process I have developed an Excel spreadsheet
> that has worked well though it still has many limitations. Anyone
> interested in making revisions is welcome to have a go at it.
>
> This year in addition to the Yahoo discussion group, we added a Web
> page at Mowind.org. Lots of work by Scott Haas and Ulf Jentler
> resulted in a great place for posting schedules, scores,
> pictures, and
> event summaries. Anyone involved in event planning should be
> able to
> keep their events updated. Contact Scott to register with the
> site or
> at least provide links your event site.
>
> Also listed on the web page are the names of Mowind officers and
> committee members. To my knowledge we have had little committee
> activity this year. If we are going to have committees, then
> committee members should be communicating throughout the year.
> Many of us including myself falsely believe that we will have more
> time later. Reflecting on the past year, however, I realize that at
> many events I hardly had time to talk to people, and I felt like
> I was
> constantly running around. This reinforces my belief that Mowind
> should maintain the simplest structure it can, so we can be busy
> having fun and visiting, rather than doing administrative activities.
> For this year we have the following people and positions.
>
> * President: Dr. Jack Wiley
> * VP/Secretary: Ulf Jentler
> * Treasurer: Craig Bergh
> * Scorer: Jack Wiley, Jeff Koeberl
> * News: Scott Haas
>
> * Calendar: Jeff Adamski, Craig Bergh
> * Scoring/Rules: Jeff Adamski, Arnie Cleveland, Larry Reed, Kevin
> Gratton
> * Awards: Larry Reed, Ulf Jentler, Woody, Don Altmeyer
> * Sponsorships/ Raffle: Rod Clevenger, Kevin Gratton, Mike, Ulf
> Jentler* Forum and Web: Arden Anderson , Ulf Jentler, Scott Haas
>
> We should discuss what committees we want for this year as well as
> hear from those who want to be involved. At this time I would also
> like to solicit nominations for officers, particularly
> President, and
> Vice President. I myself (Jack) am not going to be president next
> year and Ulf has left the country for a while. Perhaps it would
> be a
> good time to determine what the president is actually supposed
> to do.
>
> There have been several ideas this year regarding fundraising
> and we
> should discuss what we think is appropriate, keeping in mind the
> amount of time involved. There has been some discussion of printing
> up Mowind shirts and stickers. I also tried out a project myself this
> year with lanyards though it may have been too ambitious.
> My idea was to provide all Mowind Members with Mowind Lanyards
> and an
> ID card. I put together a template for ID cards, but the main hurdle
> was getting individual pictures. I was hoping to be able to get those
> at events but found I had little time to get it done. I posted
> on the
> web page that people could email me their picture for a free ID card,
> however I got no responses. I have since come to realize that the
> Mowind web page is great for checking schedules and scores, but not
> for engaging participants in new activities. We have a raffle going
> as well though it got a late start this year. Tickets have been for
> sale at some events as well as on the web page. Sales at the events
> were good while those from the web page were low. We need to figure
> out what fundraisers are worth doing and what is a good way of
> doing them.
>
> Please Take some time to think about the issues important to you and
> whether you think Mowind is headed in the right direction. Using this
> format for a discussion will allow interested members to digest
> information and reply on their own time. We will schedule a
> conference call Mid December. A tentative date is Sat. Dec. 20th at
> 8:00 central time.
>
> Thank you for taking the time to read this and contributing to Mowind.
>
>
>  
>
>
>      


#494 From: "Scott Haas" <shaas@...>
Date: Thu Nov 27, 2008 3:42 pm
Subject: Re: 2009 Upcoming Season Discussion and conference call
amokaman
Send Email Send Email
 
I'm willing to do MOWIND.org Web site maintenance and reporting on
OH and MI events again in 2009.

Needed is a team from WI and MN to BLOG/report on events in that
region.  Ideally a small pre-event post and a followup post with a
pic or two and link to results is all that is needed.

Also a set of event pages were established on the Mowind.org site.
Ideally an event page is generic in content and points to an official
event Web site.  However if an organizer wants to maintain it, they
can place detailed information on the page.  Those that have posted
specific 2008 info please change where appropriate to note 2009 or
tentative dates.

A couple weeks ago I updated the WordPress blogging software to the
latest version 2.6.3 so that shouldn't have to be done again until
next Nov.

Also I installed for trial a simple event calendar list program that
is integrated in with the WordPress software.  Whoever puts together
the calendar in 2009 can decide if they want to use that or not.  I
believe it will simplify the work involved greatly.   The Webmaster
has already had two queries from people wanting to know 2009 event
dates.

The InterLake Yatching Association is to sailing much like the MOWIND
is to windsurfing in this region.  The I-LYA of course can draw
support from the 100 member clubs or so around the Great Lakes.
They have a Web page listing their purposes and accomplishments.  I'm
not saying MOWIND needs to be more than it is now.  The I-LYA list is
just food for thought and ideas.
see  http://i-lya.com/About/about.html



Scott  - #H



--- In mowind@yahoogroups.com, "Jack" <drjacksonwiley@...> wrote:
>
> Hello Mowind members,
>
> Now that the water is freezing over it is time to get ready for the
> next year of windsurfing.  The purpose of this discussion is to
> determine what is important to Mowind for the next year.  In a few
> weeks in December (12-20-08, 8:00?), any interested members will
have
> a conference call and decide on the items discussed here.
>
> Important topics that come to mind are:
>
> Insurance
> Classes and Fleets
> Scoring
> Web Page
> Officers and Committees
> Scheduling
> Fundraising
> Mowind Merchandise
>
> Feel free to comment or introduce you own topic if you think it is
> important.
>
> I would like to summarize the past year and address some of the
issues
> from my personal experience as Mowind President.
> Most importantly, we had a successful race season.  The Mowind Race
> series scored 15 races with an average attendance of 25,
> and 75 racers attended more than one event.  29 racers attended more
> than 4 events. I have listed 110 current Mowind members in the
database.
>
> In general, race directors were prompt in confirming event dates,
and
> submitting their insurance payments and scores.  This reflects the
> main purpose of Mowind, that is to provide regatta insurance for
races
> in our region.  By doing so we can ensure that Mowind members and
> directors are protected from liability and split the cost among the
> events.  If you would like to become more familiar with our coverage
> please see this link
> http://www.david-agency.com/signal/index.htm#Regatta%20Liability%
20Insurance
> We maintain both Regatta Liability and General Liability.  For the
> most part our organization is covered against anything, however
there
> are some exceptions.  One major exception is the activity of
> Kiteboarding, and that has led to some controversial decisions made
by
> me over the past year.  Please take a moment to read this article
as well:
> http://www.scka.org/kitesuit.htm
> Last year we entered new territory when Kiteboarding was included in
> The Crossing.  As incoming president I was presented with different
> information regarding our insurance, some of which turned out to be
> completely false.  As a result I called our insurance agent to get
my
> questions answered.  After that I decided to remove from the
schedule
> any events that included kiteboarding.  During the year interested
> people have been discussing the matter and many suggestions have
been
> proposed such as allowing some events to opt out of Mowind insurance
> and attempting to obtain their own.  This brings up other issues of
> liability since Mowind would need some resources to review any
> alternative insurance.  Additionally, who wants to be responsible
for
> making these decisions?  I consider this extremely important since
> our insurance covers every Mowind member and volunteer, not just
those
> that make the decisions.
>
> This issue also brought up the idea of a "sanctioned" event.
> Currently all that is required to be a Mowind event is to pay dues
for
> insurance and choose a time and place.
>
> There has been some discussion over the year of limiting the number
of
> events in order to encourage a larger attendance at fewer events.
> This is based on the idea that participation was lower this year due
> to higher gas prices.  When comparing participation to last year
> however, the numbers are approximately the same, with an event
average
> attendance of 22 for 2007.  Two major points are that race directors
> invest enough time and effort in their events that there shouldn't
be
> a limit on the number of events.  We don't want to discourage new
> events either and would like to keep the organization simple.
>
> Over the past few years we have reorganized the classes at Mowind
> events to reflect different participation.  We combined some and
> introduced others.  Currently we have three levels:
>
> A Fleet (advanced, usually completes two laps)
> Open
> Limited 8.5
> Hybrid
> Formula
> Women
>
> Sport Fleet (Intermediate, One lap)
> Men
> Women
>
> Workshop Fleet (Short course, startline assistance)
> Men
> Women
> Junior
> Senior
>
> Most race directors have used the Mowind classes, and that
facilitated
> adding the scores to the season totals.  In addition to providing
> insurance, a purpose of Mowind is to provide standard rules and
> scoring for windsurfing events.
>
> Our current scoring system is the Mowind Hi-point system.  Hi-point
> systems are prefferred for a series since they can simply be added
> together.  Lo-point systems need to be converted and the process is
> not always simple.  The Mowind system awards 1 point for starting, 1
> for finishing, and 1 for each racer beaten.  Traditionally, DNF has
> been given only 1 point.  There has been much discussion over the
year
> of what to award DNF or to differentiate reasons since there are
many
> reasons for DNF. In the Nationals this year, a time limit caused
many
> racers to receive a DNF and they voiced an objection to only
getting 1
> point since they actually did complete the course.  No changes have
> yet been made and this is still open for discussion.  In order to
> speed up the scoring process I have developed an Excel spreadsheet
> that has worked well though it still has many limitations.  Anyone
> interested in making revisions is welcome to have a go at it.
>
> This year in addition to the Yahoo discussion group, we added a Web
> page at Mowind.org.  Lots of work by Scott Haas and Ulf Jentler
> resulted in a great place for posting schedules, scores, pictures,
and
> event summaries.  Anyone involved in event planning should be able
to
> keep their events updated.  Contact Scott to register with the site
or
> at least provide links your event site.
>
> Also listed on the web page are the names of Mowind officers and
> committee members.  To my knowledge we have had little committee
> activity this year.  If we are going to have committees, then
> committee members should be communicating throughout the year.
> Many of us including myself falsely believe that we will have more
> time later.  Reflecting on the past year, however, I realize that at
> many events I hardly had time to talk to people, and I felt like I
was
> constantly running around.  This reinforces my belief that Mowind
> should maintain the simplest structure it can, so we can be busy
> having fun and visiting, rather than doing administrative
activities.
> For this year we have the following people and positions.
>
>     * President: Dr. Jack Wiley
>     * VP/Secretary: Ulf Jentler
>     * Treasurer: Craig Bergh
>     * Scorer: Jack Wiley, Jeff Koeberl
>     * News: Scott Haas
>
>     * Calendar: Jeff Adamski, Craig Bergh
>     * Scoring/Rules: Jeff Adamski, Arnie Cleveland, Larry Reed,
Kevin
> Gratton
>     * Awards: Larry Reed, Ulf Jentler, Woody, Don Altmeyer
>     * Sponsorships/Raffle: Rod Clevenger, Kevin Gratton, Mike, Ulf
Jentler
>     * Forum and Web: Arden Anderson , Ulf Jentler, Scott Haas
>
> We should discuss what committees we want for this year as well as
> hear from those who want to be involved.  At this time I would also
> like to solicit nominations for officers, particularly President,
and
> Vice President.  I myself (Jack) am not going to be president next
> year and Ulf has left the country for a while.  Perhaps it would be
a
> good time to determine what the president is actually supposed to
do.
>
> There have been several ideas this year regarding fundraising and we
> should discuss what we think is appropriate, keeping in mind the
> amount of time involved.  There has been some discussion of printing
> up Mowind shirts and stickers.  I also tried out a project myself
this
> year with lanyards though it may have been too ambitious.
> My idea was to provide all Mowind Members with Mowind Lanyards and
an
> ID card.  I put together a template for ID cards, but the main
hurdle
> was getting individual pictures.  I was hoping to be able to get
those
> at events but found I had little time to get it done.  I posted on
the
> web page that people could email me their picture for a free ID
card,
> however I got no responses.  I have since come to realize that the
> Mowind web page is great for checking schedules and scores, but not
> for engaging participants in new activities.  We have a raffle going
> as well though it got a late start this year.  Tickets have been for
> sale at some events as well as on the web page.  Sales at the events
> were good while those from the web page were low.  We need to figure
> out what fundraisers are worth doing and what is a good way of
doing them.
>
> Please Take some time to think about the issues important to you and
> whether you think Mowind is headed in the right direction.  Using
this
> format for a discussion will allow interested members to digest
> information and reply on their own time.  We will schedule a
> conference call Mid December.  A tentative date is Sat. Dec. 20th at
> 8:00 central time.
>
> Thank you for taking the time to read this and contributing to
Mowind.
>

#495 From: a c <mistralonedesign@...>
Date: Fri Nov 28, 2008 7:34 pm
Subject: Re: Re: 2009 Upcoming Season Discussion and conference call
mistralonede...
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Hi All, Started working on 2009 Calender. Using Fleet Farm print calender that lists dates to 2012 .From 2008 Mowind , kept same wknd. Ex:  Alum Creek  (2008)  May 3-4 , now (2009) May 2-3 .    Arnie

--- On Thu, 11/27/08, Scott Haas <shaas@...> wrote:
From: Scott Haas <shaas@...>
Subject: [mowind] Re: 2009 Upcoming Season Discussion and conference call
To: mowind@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, November 27, 2008, 9:42 AM


I'm willing to do MOWIND.org Web site maintenance and reporting on
OH and MI events again in 2009.

Needed is a team from WI and MN to BLOG/report on events in that
region. Ideally a small pre-event post and a followup post with a
pic or two and link to results is all that is needed.

Also a set of event pages were established on the Mowind.org site.
Ideally an event page is generic in content and points to an official
event Web site. However if an organizer wants to maintain it, they
can place detailed information on the page. Those that have posted
specific 2008 info please change where appropriate to note 2009 or
tentative dates.

A couple weeks ago I updated the WordPress blogging software to the
latest version 2.6.3 so that shouldn't have to be done again until
next Nov.

Also I installed for trial a simple event calendar list program that
is integrated in with the WordPress software. Whoever puts together
the calendar in 2009 can decide if they want to use that or not. I
believe it will simplify the work involved greatly. The Webmaster
has already had two queries from people wanting to know 2009 event
dates.

The InterLake Yatching Association is to sailing much like the MOWIND
is to windsurfing in this region. The I-LYA of course can draw
support from the 100 member clubs or so around the Great Lakes.
They have a Web page listing their purposes and accomplishments. I'm
not saying MOWIND needs to be more than it is now. The I-LYA list is
just food for thought and ideas.
see http://i-lya. com/About/ about.html

Scott - #H

--- In mowind@yahoogroups. com, "Jack" <drjacksonwiley@ ...> wrote:
>
> Hello Mowind members,
>
> Now that the water is freezing over it is time to get ready for the
> next year of windsurfing. The purpose of this discussion is to
> determine what is important to Mowind for the next year. In a few
> weeks in December (12-20-08, 8:00?), any interested members will
have
> a conference call and decide on the items discussed here.
>
> Important topics that come to mind are:
>
> Insurance
> Classes and Fleets
> Scoring
> Web Page
> Officers and Committees
> Scheduling
> Fundraising
> Mowind Merchandise
>
> Feel free to comment or introduce you own topic if you think it is
> important.
>
> I would like to summarize the past year and address some of the
issues
> from my personal experience as Mowind President.
> Most importantly, we had a successful race season. The Mowind Race
> series scored 15 races with an average attendance of 25,
> and 75 racers attended more than one event. 29 racers attended more
> than 4 events. I have listed 110 current Mowind members in the
database.
>
> In general, race directors were prompt in confirming event dates,
and
> submitting their insurance payments and scores. This reflects the
> main purpose of Mowind, that is to provide regatta insurance for
races
> in our region. By doing so we can ensure that Mowind members and
> directors are protected from liability and split the cost among the
> events. If you would like to become more familiar with our coverage
> please see this link
> http://www.david- agency.com/ signal/index. htm#Regatta% 20Liability%
20Insurance
> We maintain both Regatta Liability and General Liability. For the
> most part our organization is covered against anything, however
there
> are some exceptions. One major exception is the activity of
> Kiteboarding, and that has led to some controversial decisions made
by
> me over the past year. Please take a moment to read this article
as well:
> http://www.scka. org/kitesuit. htm
> Last year we entered new territory when Kiteboarding was included in
> The Crossing. As incoming president I was presented with different
> information regarding our insurance, some of which turned out to be
> completely false. As a result I called our insurance agent to get
my
> questions answered. After that I decided to remove from the
schedule
> any events that included kiteboarding. During the year interested
> people have been discussing the matter and many suggestions have
been
> proposed such as allowing some events to opt out of Mowind insurance
> and attempting to obtain their own. This brings up other issues of
> liability since Mowind would need some resources to review any
> alternative insurance. Additionally, who wants to be responsible
for
> making these decisions? I consider this extremely important since
> our insurance covers every Mowind member and volunteer, not just
those
> that make the decisions.
>
> This issue also brought up the idea of a "sanctioned" event.
> Currently all that is required to be a Mowind event is to pay dues
for
> insurance and choose a time and place.
>
> There has been some discussion over the year of limiting the number
of
> events in order to encourage a larger attendance at fewer events.
> This is based on the idea that participation was lower this year due
> to higher gas prices. When comparing participation to last year
> however, the numbers are approximately the same, with an event
average
> attendance of 22 for 2007. Two major points are that race directors
> invest enough time and effort in their events that there shouldn't
be
> a limit on the number of events. We don't want to discourage new
> events either and would like to keep the organization simple.
>
> Over the past few years we have reorganized the classes at Mowind
> events to reflect different participation. We combined some and
> introduced others. Currently we have three levels:
>
> A Fleet (advanced, usually completes two laps)
> Open
> Limited 8.5
> Hybrid
> Formula
> Women
>
> Sport Fleet (Intermediate, One lap)
> Men
> Women
>
> Workshop Fleet (Short course, startline assistance)
> Men
> Women
> Junior
> Senior
>
> Most race directors have used the Mowind classes, and that
facilitated
> adding the scores to the season totals. In addition to providing
> insurance, a purpose of Mowind is to provide standard rules and
> scoring for windsurfing events.
>
> Our current scoring system is the Mowind Hi-point system. Hi-point
> systems are prefferred for a series since they can simply be added
> together. Lo-point systems need to be converted and the process is
> not always simple. The Mowind system awards 1 point for starting, 1
> for finishing, and 1 for each racer beaten. Traditionally, DNF has
> been given only 1 point. There has been much discussion over the
year
> of what to award DNF or to differentiate reasons since there are
many
> reasons for DNF. In the Nationals this year, a time limit caused
many
> racers to receive a DNF and they voiced an objection to only
getting 1
> point since they actually did complete the course. No changes have
> yet been made and this is still open for discussion. In order to
> speed up the scoring process I have developed an Excel spreadsheet
> that has worked well though it still has many limitations. Anyone
> interested in making revisions is welcome to have a go at it.
>
> This year in addition to the Yahoo discussion group, we added a Web
> page at Mowind.org. Lots of work by Scott Haas and Ulf Jentler
> resulted in a great place for posting schedules, scores, pictures,
and
> event summaries. Anyone involved in event planning should be able
to
> keep their events updated. Contact Scott to register with the site
or
> at least provide links your event site.
>
> Also listed on the web page are the names of Mowind officers and
> committee members. To my knowledge we have had little committee
> activity this year. If we are going to have committees, then
> committee members should be communicating throughout the year.
> Many of us including myself falsely believe that we will have more
> time later. Reflecting on the past year, however, I realize that at
> many events I hardly had time to talk to people, and I felt like I
was
> constantly running around. This reinforces my belief that Mowind
> should maintain the simplest structure it can, so we can be busy
> having fun and visiting, rather than doing administrative
activities.
> For this year we have the following people and positions.
>
> * President: Dr. Jack Wiley
> * VP/Secretary: Ulf Jentler
> * Treasurer: Craig Bergh
> * Scorer: Jack Wiley, Jeff Koeberl
> * News: Scott Haas
>
> * Calendar: Jeff Adamski, Craig Bergh
> * Scoring/Rules: Jeff Adamski, Arnie Cleveland, Larry Reed,
Kevin
> Gratton
> * Awards: Larry Reed, Ulf Jentler, Woody, Don Altmeyer
> * Sponsorships/ Raffle: Rod Clevenger, Kevin Gratton, Mike, Ulf
Jentler
> * Forum and Web: Arden Anderson , Ulf Jentler, Scott Haas
>
> We should discuss what committees we want for this year as well as
> hear from those who want to be involved. At this time I would also
> like to solicit nominations for officers, particularly President,
and
> Vice President. I myself (Jack) am not going to be president next
> year and Ulf has left the country for a while. Perhaps it would be
a
> good time to determine what the president is actually supposed to
do.
>
> There have been several ideas this year regarding fundraising and we
> should discuss what we think is appropriate, keeping in mind the
> amount of time involved. There has been some discussion of printing
> up Mowind shirts and stickers. I also tried out a project myself
this
> year with lanyards though it may have been too ambitious.
> My idea was to provide all Mowind Members with Mowind Lanyards and
an
> ID card. I put together a template for ID cards, but the main
hurdle
> was getting individual pictures. I was hoping to be able to get
those
> at events but found I had little time to get it done. I posted on
the
> web page that people could email me their picture for a free ID
card,
> however I got no responses. I have since come to realize that the
> Mowind web page is great for checking schedules and scores, but not
> for engaging participants in new activities. We have a raffle going
> as well though it got a late start this year. Tickets have been for
> sale at some events as well as on the web page. Sales at the events
> were good while those from the web page were low. We need to figure
> out what fundraisers are worth doing and what is a good way of
doing them.
>
> Please Take some time to think about the issues important to you and
> whether you think Mowind is headed in the right direction. Using
this
> format for a discussion will allow interested members to digest
> information and reply on their own time. We will schedule a
> conference call Mid December. A tentative date is Sat. Dec. 20th at
> 8:00 central time.
>
> Thank you for taking the time to read this and contributing to
Mowind.
>



#496 From: "Jeff & Bonnie Koeberl" <jeffkoeberl@...>
Date: Sun Nov 30, 2008 6:12 pm
Subject: Re: 2009 Upcoming Season Discussion and conference call
windsurf_us001
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I have to agree with Woody.  RC should balance needs of fleets and
objectives of the event.  If people are coming to an event because
they expect a lot of racing with strong competition, RC can specify in
NOR the time limits.  For a more laid back event, NOR can again let
the competitors know what to expect.

Having said that, I thought we agreed last year that it was within the
descretion of the RC to end a race with a couple stragglers on the
water recording their relative race position and not holding them to
DNF.  It isn't that hard, when someone is struggling, to notify them
that their finish has been recorded - and if there are a couple simply
choose one of the marks.

--- In mowind@yahoogroups.com, Brad Woodworth <windsurfwoody@...>
wrote:

> I think the finish should be ultimately be left to the discretion of
the RC.

#497 From: "Jeff & Bonnie Koeberl" <jeffkoeberl@...>
Date: Sun Nov 30, 2008 6:25 pm
Subject: Bradford Beach Jam 2009 - yes or no?
windsurf_us001
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I wanted to start a thread to help me determine if I should hold the
Bradford Beach Jam Regatta going forward.

This event has been run the last weekend in July the past 3 years.
While it has gotten pretty good support, I'm not convinced that it
really should be a race event.  The event takes place the weekend
before Menominee, one of the most popular races on the calendar.  It
also takes place at a time when we are not likely to see much wind in
Milwaukee unless we are in the midst of a storm.

This takes place on a busy beach while other sporting events are also
taking place.  It had been my hope that this might get the attention
of other potential windsurfers - but I've seen little evidence that
this is the case.

At this point I'm not planning to hold the event in 2009.  I
appreciate the support I've gotten from those who have attended in the
past, and Bonnie and I have had a blast hosting the event.  Unless I
hear strong feedback to the contrary, I'll remove it from the calendar.

#498 From: Brad Woodworth <windsurfwoody@...>
Date: Sun Nov 30, 2008 9:06 pm
Subject: Re: 2009 Upcoming Season Discussion and conference call
windsurfwoody
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Hey everybody,
 
I think going forward we need to have an AGM at Kevin's Windpower Regatta (1st event of the new race season) to elect officers and have discussion about issues for the coming season. Most everybody that is an active part of the MOWIND executive is usually in attendance at Kevin's regatta, so this would be an ideal time to have an AGM. Also, by attending an AGM in person, it is more effective for discussion than by phone with my experience.
 
Woody
 
 
 

----- Original Message -----
From: Jack <drjacksonwiley@...>
Date: Tuesday, November 25, 2008 12:18 pm
Subject: [mowind] 2009 Upcoming Season Discussion and conference call
To: mowind@yahoogroups.com

> Hello Mowind members,
>
> Now that the water is freezing over it is time to get ready for the
> next year of windsurfing.  The purpose of this discussion
> is to
> determine what is important to Mowind for the next year. 
> In a few
> weeks in December (12-20-08, 8:00?), any interested members will have
> a conference call and decide on the items discussed here.
>
> Important topics that come to mind are:
>
> Insurance
> Classes and Fleets
> Scoring
> Web Page
> Officers and Committees
> Scheduling
> Fundraising
> Mowind Merchandise
>
> Feel free to comment or introduce you own topic if you think it is
> important.
>
> I would like to summarize the past year and address some of the issues
> from my personal experience as Mowind President. 
> Most importantly, we had a successful race season.  The
> Mowind Race
> series scored 15 races with an average attendance of 25, 
> and 75 racers attended more than one event.  29 racers
> attended more
> than 4 events. I have listed 110 current Mowind members in the
> database.
> In general, race directors were prompt in confirming event
> dates, and
> submitting their insurance payments and scores.  This
> reflects the
> main purpose of Mowind, that is to provide regatta insurance for races
> in our region.  By doing so we can ensure that Mowind
> members and
> directors are protected from liability and split the cost among the
> events.  If you would like to become more familiar with our
> coverageplease see this link 
> http://www.david-
> agency.com/signal/index.htm#Regatta%20Liability%20InsuranceWe
> maintain both Regatta Liability and General Liability.  For the
> most part our organization is covered against anything, however there
> are some exceptions.  One major exception is the activity of
> Kiteboarding, and that has led to some controversial decisions
> made by
> me over the past year.  Please take a moment to read this
> article as well:
> http://www.scka.org/kitesuit.htm
> Last year we entered new territory when Kiteboarding was
> included in
> The Crossing.  As incoming president I was presented with
> differentinformation regarding our insurance, some of which
> turned out to be
> completely false.  As a result I called our insurance agent
> to get my
> questions answered.  After that I decided to remove from
> the schedule
> any events that included kiteboarding.  During the year
> interested 
> people have been discussing the matter and many suggestions have been
> proposed such as allowing some events to opt out of Mowind insurance
> and attempting to obtain their own.  This brings up other
> issues of
> liability since Mowind would need some resources to review any
> alternative insurance.  Additionally, who wants to be
> responsible for
> making these decisions?  I consider this extremely
> important since 
> our insurance covers every Mowind member and volunteer, not just those
> that make the decisions.
>
> This issue also brought up the idea of a "sanctioned" event.
> Currently all that is required to be a Mowind event is to pay
> dues for
> insurance and choose a time and place. 
>
> There has been some discussion over the year of limiting the
> number of
> events in order to encourage a larger attendance at fewer
> events.
> This is based on the idea that participation was lower this year due
> to higher gas prices.  When comparing participation to last year
> however, the numbers are approximately the same, with an event average
> attendance of 22 for 2007.  Two major points are that race
> directorsinvest enough time and effort in their events that
> there shouldn't be
> a limit on the number of events.  We don't want to
> discourage new
> events either and would like to keep the organization simple.
>
> Over the past few years we have reorganized the classes at Mowind
> events to reflect different participation.  We combined
> some and
> introduced others.  Currently we have three levels:
>
> A Fleet (advanced, usually completes two laps)
> Open
> Limited 8.5
> Hybrid
> Formula
> Women
>
> Sport Fleet (Intermediate, One lap)
> Men
> Women
>
> Workshop Fleet (Short course, startline assistance)
> Men
> Women
> Junior
> Senior
>
> Most race directors have used the Mowind classes, and that facilitated
> adding the scores to the season totals.  In addition to providing
> insurance, a purpose of Mowind is to provide standard rules and
> scoring for windsurfing events.
>
> Our current scoring system is the Mowind Hi-point system. 
> Hi-point
> systems are prefferred for a series since they can simply be added
> together.  Lo-point systems need to be converted and the
> process is
> not always simple.  The Mowind system awards 1 point for
> starting, 1
> for finishing, and 1 for each racer beaten.  Traditionally,
> DNF has
> been given only 1 point.  There has been much discussion
> over the year
> of what to award DNF or to differentiate reasons since there are many
> reasons for DNF. In the Nationals this year, a time limit caused many
> racers to receive a DNF and they voiced an objection to only
> getting 1
> point since they actually did complete the course.  No
> changes have
> yet been made and this is still open for discussion.  In
> order to
> speed up the scoring process I have developed an Excel spreadsheet
> that has worked well though it still has many limitations. 
> Anyoneinterested in making revisions is welcome to have a go at it.
>
> This year in addition to the Yahoo discussion group, we added a Web
> page at Mowind.org.  Lots of work by Scott Haas and Ulf Jentler
> resulted in a great place for posting schedules, scores,
> pictures, and
> event summaries.  Anyone involved in event planning should
> be able to
> keep their events updated.  Contact Scott to register with
> the site or
> at least provide links your event site.
>
> Also listed on the web page are the names of Mowind officers and
> committee members.  To my knowledge we have had little committee
> activity this year.  If we are going to have committees, then
> committee members should be communicating throughout the
> year. 
> Many of us including myself falsely believe that we will have more
> time later.  Reflecting on the past year, however, I
> realize that at
> many events I hardly had time to talk to people, and I felt like
> I was
> constantly running around.  This reinforces my belief that Mowind
> should maintain the simplest structure it can, so we can be busy
> having fun and visiting, rather than doing administrative activities.
> For this year we have the following people and positions.
>
>     * President: Dr. Jack Wiley
>     * VP/Secretary: Ulf Jentler
>     * Treasurer: Craig Bergh
>     * Scorer: Jack Wiley, Jeff Koeberl
>     * News: Scott Haas
>
>     * Calendar: Jeff Adamski, Craig Bergh
>     * Scoring/Rules: Jeff Adamski, Arnie
> Cleveland, Larry Reed, Kevin
> Gratton
>     * Awards: Larry Reed, Ulf Jentler, Woody, Don
> Altmeyer    * Sponsorships/Raffle: Rod Clevenger,
> Kevin Gratton, Mike, Ulf Jentler
>     * Forum and Web: Arden Anderson , Ulf
> Jentler, Scott Haas
>
> We should discuss what committees we want for this year as well as
> hear from those who want to be involved.  At this time I
> would also
> like to solicit nominations for officers, particularly
> President, and
> Vice President.  I myself (Jack) am not going to be
> president next
> year and Ulf has left the country for a while.  Perhaps it
> would be a
> good time to determine what the president is actually supposed
> to do.
>
> There have been several ideas this year regarding fundraising
> and we
> should discuss what we think is appropriate, keeping in mind the
> amount of time involved.  There has been some discussion of
> printingup Mowind shirts and stickers.  I also tried out a
> project myself this
> year with lanyards though it may have been too
> ambitious.  
> My idea was to provide all Mowind Members with Mowind Lanyards
> and an
> ID card.  I put together a template for ID cards, but the
> main hurdle
> was getting individual pictures.  I was hoping to be able
> to get those
> at events but found I had little time to get it done.  I
> posted on the
> web page that people could email me their picture for a free ID card,
> however I got no responses.  I have since come to realize
> that the
> Mowind web page is great for checking schedules and scores, but not
> for engaging participants in new activities.  We have a
> raffle going
> as well though it got a late start this year.  Tickets have
> been for
> sale at some events as well as on the web page.  Sales at
> the events
> were good while those from the web page were low.  We need
> to figure
> out what fundraisers are worth doing and what is a good way of
> doing them.
>
> Please Take some time to think about the issues important to you and
> whether you think Mowind is headed in the right direction. 
> Using this
> format for a discussion will allow interested members to digest
> information and reply on their own time.  We will schedule a
> conference call Mid December.  A tentative date is Sat.
> Dec. 20th at
> 8:00 central time.
>
> Thank you for taking the time to read this and contributing to Mowind.
>
>
>
>
>

#499 From: delcarpenter@...
Date: Mon Dec 1, 2008 12:38 am
Subject: Re: Bradford Beach Jam 2009 - yes or no?
del.carpenter
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I was not able to attend any Bradford Beach Jam (BBJ).  I do not have
a stand-up paddle board (SUP).  I remember a dead wind afternoon at
the 2003 Nationals in Worthington when quite a few windsurfers had fun
standing on their boards using masts to paddle around.  The following
might be useful for Bradford Beach.

My undeveloped idea for what to do at a racing event with very light
wind is something like an obstacle course with individual starts over
a period of time.  The conditions would include: 1.  set the course
very close to shore to maximize the number of spectators (as close as
safety and good viewing will allow), 2. use an extremely short course,
3. use quite a few marks & turns, 4. some or all course legs or turns
must be too intricate or too short to be sailed by a 21 ft sailboat,
5. beach start each racer individually 15 or 30 seconds apart (or in
groups of 2-4), 6. one timer for the start, a separate timer for the
finish, 7. the position in the line-up for a start is drawn by lot, 8.
each "race" is everyone who started within a particular half hour,
including those who go through the course more than once for that
"race", 9. sailors who go through more than once that "race" are
scored only for their best time for that race, 10. operate additional
"races" as fits time & interest.

If there is no wind at all, use the same course for SUP boards or for
longboarders with paddles but no sails.  Or let sailors & paddlers
compete on the same course over the same period in different classes.

BBJ might be the perfect place for "races" that emphasize skillful
maneuvering as much as speed, or for SUP competitions or both.

The course will require quite a few buoys, but will have short enough
legs that one gallon plastic milk jugs will be easily visible from one
turn to the next and visible from shore.  The course is likely to be
complex enough it will be difficult for sailors to remember.  Sailors
can be guided on the course by following a general rule such as
alternating port & starboard turns, or by always rounding to port at a
large buoy (or gate) and always rounding to starboard at a small bouy
(or gate).

Del



Quoting Jeff & Bonnie Koeberl <jeffkoeberl@...>:

> I wanted to start a thread to help me determine if I should hold the
> Bradford Beach Jam Regatta going forward.
>
> This event has been run the last weekend in July the past 3 years.
> While it has gotten pretty good support, I'm not convinced that it
> really should be a race event.  The event takes place the weekend
> before Menominee, one of the most popular races on the calendar.  It
> also takes place at a time when we are not likely to see much wind in
> Milwaukee unless we are in the midst of a storm.
>
> This takes place on a busy beach while other sporting events are also
> taking place.  It had been my hope that this might get the attention
> of other potential windsurfers - but I've seen little evidence that
> this is the case.
>
> At this point I'm not planning to hold the event in 2009.  I
> appreciate the support I've gotten from those who have attended in the
> past, and Bonnie and I have had a blast hosting the event.  Unless I
> hear strong feedback to the contrary, I'll remove it from the calendar.
>
>

#500 From: "Jim" <j.edlebeck@...>
Date: Mon Dec 1, 2008 1:12 am
Subject: Re: Bradford Beach Jam 2009 - yes or no?
j.edlebeck
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--- In mowind@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff & Bonnie Koeberl"
<jeffkoeberl@...> wrote:
>
>
> Bradford Beach Jam Regatta
>
> Yes,

I was hoping that the Bradford Beach regatta would be a go ahead for
2009. My boy and I came to watch for 2yrs. It's where we caught the
windsurf bug. If the event were to be held, I can guarantee that I
would register and volunteer to help. It's a great place to have a
race. Jeff and Bonnie are fantastic promoters of our sport!!! I also
have a vacant lot on Little Muskego lake 2 houses from Jeff and
Bonnie that you could camp or park on.



Jim/Anna/Jamie Edlebeck j.edlebeck@... 262-682-4282

#501 From: "windsurfwoody" <windsurfwoody@...>
Date: Mon Dec 1, 2008 8:54 pm
Subject: US Windsurfer of the year!
windsurfwoody
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MOWIND member Craig Bergh is the 2009 Windsurfer Of The Year as voted
by US Windsurfing. Way to go! Congratulations Craig!

Story here: http://www.uswindsurfing.org/

#502 From: delcarpenter@...
Date: Mon Dec 1, 2008 10:52 pm
Subject: Re: US Windsurfer of the year!
del.carpenter
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In Craig Bergh MOWIND has another deserving winner of the Windsurfer
of the Year award.  Craig's multi-year efforts creating and sustaining
MidWest Speed Quest gave a huge boost to MOWIND sailors, speedsailing
and windsurfing in the US overall.  The best part is he wants to keep
working trying to get as many of us as possible to try the MidWest
Speed Quest and improve our sailing.

Carolyn Boersma is the first winner of the Charles Ivey Junior
Development Award!  Her write-up is on the main USWA page just below
Craig's write-up.  http://uswindsurfing.org/

MOWIND is blessed with many leaders who work hard and keep on working
year after year.

Congratulations and thank you to Craig Bergh.  Congratulations and
thank you to Carolyn Boersma.  And thank you to all of the MOWIND
leaders who worked on events in 2008 and to all who are planning or
working on 2009 events.

Del Carpenter




Quoting windsurfwoody <windsurfwoody@...>:

> MOWIND member Craig Bergh is the 2009 Windsurfer Of The Year as voted
> by US Windsurfing. Way to go! Congratulations Craig!
>
> Story here: http://www.uswindsurfing.org/
>
>

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