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I guess you probably think Rudy
Tomjanovich should have suspended along with Kermit
“Horry was suspended for what he did,
and the others were suspended for what they did.” What does that
mean? Stoudemire’s horrible act – that you are so
willing to condemn him for – was walking a few steps towards his fallen
teammate. (Yeah, we don’t know why. That goes for not knowing
there was any bad intent too.) Meanwhile, Horry started everything with a
cheap, premeditated, flagrant foul that could easily have put Nash out for the
series, and even possibly ended his career. For that, Horry was suspended
exactly ONE MORE GAME than Stoudemire. And you think that sends a POSITIVE
message? By what logic do you think that is NOT an invitation for some
other goon to pull the same crap to try and get another star player out of
action?
If you are not familiar with the
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blow it again
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>
> Then you're w
Then you're double secret w
Watch this
> http://www.youtube.
> dictionary's definition of "bolting" and "walking".
The only
violent
> aspect of what Stoudemire did was the strength with which his coach
> grabbed him.
>
>
>
> But how about answering the basic questions?
>
>
>
> How is this any different from the Dave Schultz scenario you
described?
>
>
With Schultz, it was a systematic thing to have him to get banished
with an opponent for an equal amount of time, an advantage to the
Flyers because whoever he took off with him was better than he was,
thus the loss being greater to the other team. This was something
that was done all the time, and I don't know that's the case with
Horry.
>
> How are what Horry did and what Stoudemire did equal?
>
>
I couldn't tell from the video who all was whom. Horry committed a
foul, a dirty one, that gets whistled at the time and that may get an
additional suspension.
Stoudamire was among those leaving the bench. Some got all the way
out there after Horry, some were pulled back. Stoudamire looked like
he was among the ones being pulled back. You don't know any more
than I do what pulled him out there--concern for a fallen teammate or
being pissed at Horry. Would he have rushed out there had Nash just
crashed without a dirty foul or would he have just left Nash for the
trainers and coach to check out (as is usually the case)? I don't
know.
The NBA has done a good job on cracking down on stuff. Compare it to
the NHL and it's not even close. Yet it has had two doozies in the
past few years. What it wants to do is make sure this stuff doesn't
get out of control and having players stay at their benches when
there is an altercation - and that could certainly be described as an
altercation - makes sense.
Beyond that, I don't remember who exactly got suspended and for how
long, so I can't sort all that out. It would be a better comparison
to look at how Stoudamire's suspension for leaving the bench compares
with those who got farther out and went after Horry.
>
> Why shouldn't Stern have suspended
if
> there is no leeway in these things and there are no excuses for
stepping
> onto the court?
>
>
As I said before, I'm not familiar with what else went on in that
game.
>
> Why shouldn't Stern have interpreted the Horry incident in a way
that
> would not have required suspensions (as he did with
that
> option was available under the rules?
>
>
Why should he have? Players have some responsibility to make sure
their actions don't hurt their team. If it sucked for
put the onus on the players whose actions drew the penalties.
>
> How does this ruling, which rewarded Horry's on court violence, make
> future on court violence less likely?
>
>
Horry was suspended for what he did. The others were suspended for
what they did. I think it's far-fetched to believe this is going to
cause players to start throwing hips, figuring that players better
than they are will leave the opposing bench and get suspensions for
themselves.
What I see coming out of what Stern did is the message that dirty
play will be penalized. Leave it to the league to hand down the
penalties rather than trying to retaliate yourself. All this will do
is get you suspended.
Stew
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> From: mnsports@yahoogroup
> Behalf Of stewthornley
> Sent: Friday, June 15, 2007 4:42 AM
> To: mnsports@yahoogroup
> Subject: [mnsports] Re: zebras blow it again
>
>
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> --- In mnsports@yahoogroup
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> "Holst, Alan R" <holstar@> wrote:
> >
> > Bullshit. They did not "go after " Horry. They took a
couple of
> steps
> > towards their fallen teammate - who had just been attacked by
Horry -
> -
> > but did not take an aggressive stance, did not conf
> player,
> > did not engage with a fan, did NOT DO A DAMN THING that would in
any
> > real world lead to an escalation of the violence.
>
> Double bullshit to you.
>
> Did you actually
> > watch what Stoudemire did? Are you seriously describing that as
> > "bolting" onto the court?
>
> Yes.
>
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