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The comments on Minnesota kids persuaded me to repackage an email that I sent elsewhere a few days ago.

 

Dan Monson seems like a decent guy, but a lousy judge of local talent.  That is obvious when we look at how well Minnesota high school products have done at other schools (including redshirt freshmen guards Ben Woodside and Matt Cadwell, who already have several 20 point games between them.)  I don't know if Monson's problem is regional bias, racial bias (the PC kind that thinks white kids can't play, although he has an equally bad record of landing black kids from Minneapolis, a Gopher tradition), or just bad judgment (Brandon Smith? Miles Webb? Luke Anderson?)  But whatever the reasons, he sure doesn't do as well recruiting the home grown talent as he should (or as Alford apparently does at Iowa.)  

 

Skipping the class of 99 (due to his late start after Clem got caught, I can't blame Monson for Troy Bell) here are the Minnesota high school products since Monson became coach that I think have established that they were Big Ten caliber players.

 

2005

 

Jamal Abu-Shamala (ShakopeeMinnesota (as a walk-on)

 

Monson did sign Brandon Smith of Minneapolis Patrick Henry, but is he a better prospect than Ray Brown (Richfield to Bradley), Travis Brown (Richfield to Northern Iowa), Travis Busch (Mounds View to Cal Poly) or Darren Kent (Eastview to Kansas State)? 

 

And even a walk-on (Kevin Gullickson of Stillwater) chose to go somewhere else (Wisconsin) as did Brielmaier the year before.  Considering that most of the best home grown Gophers in the Monson era started out as walk-ons, this is not a good sign!

 

2004    

 

Ryan Amoroso (BurnsvilleMarquette

Bret Brielmaier (Mankato LoyolaArizona

Matt Cadwell (Cretin-Derham HallSouth Dakota State

Longar Longar (Rochester John MarshallOklahoma

Patrick O’Bryant (BlaineBradley

Ben Woodside (Albert LeaNorth Dakota State

 

Mitch Henke (Hopkins) is starting at Santa Clara, as is Brett Winkelman (Morris Area) at North Dakota State.

 

Monson did sign Spencer Tollackson of Chaska.  He also signed the immortal Miles Webb of Park Center.

 

2003    

 

Dan Coleman (Hopkins) Minnesota (after first signing with Boston College)

Eric Coleman (Tartan) Northern Iowa

Dan Fitzgerald (St. Thomas Academy) Marquette (previously Tulane)

Kris Humphries (HopkinsMinnesota (after first signing with Duke)

Jamil Lott (St. Paul Como Park) Marquette (previously junior college)

Lawrence McKenzie (Minneapolis Patrick Henry) Oklahoma (now a redshirt after transferring to Minnesota)

Kammron Taylor (Minneapolis NorthWisconsin

Eric Webb (Grand RapidsFurman

 

Monson did sign the yet-to-show-if-he-can-play Jonathan Williams (St. Cloud Apolloafter he first signed with St. John's.

 

2002

 

Jeff Halbert (White Bear LakeOhio

Terry Pettis (Minneapolis Patrick HenryFresno State

Bruce Price (Minneapolis SouthTennessee State

 

Glen Mason signed Matt Spaeth of St. Michael-Albertville.

 

Just as well Monson did not sign Pettis.

 

2001

 

Alan Anderson (De La SalleMichigan State

Erik Crawford (TartanNorthern Iowa

Rick Rickert (Duluth EastMinnesota (after first signing with Arizona)

Steve Sir (Cretin-Derham HallNorthern Arizona (formerly San Diego State)

Jamel Staten (Minneapolis NorthMankato State (formerly Northern Illinois)

 

Terry Ryan signed Joe Mauer.

 

Monson did sign Maurice Hargrow of St. Paul Highland Park, a good decision.

 

2000

 

Jay Anderson (FaribaultOregon

Adam Boone (MinnetonkaNorth Carolina (now Minnesota)

Steve Esselink (Hills-Beaver CreekAugustana (later a Sunshine walk-on at Minnesota)

Johnnie Gilbert (Minneapolis Patrick HenryOklahoma

Jeff Hagen (HopkinsMinnesota (as a walk-on)

Brent Lawson (Maple GroveSt. Francis (later a walk-on at Minnesota)

Jake Sullivan (TartanIowa State

 

Instead, Monson signed Luke Anderson of Eagan, before both of them decided better about it. 

 
Note how incredibly few Monson signed.  If you subtract the kids who transferred back (which means Monson got them after he either failed to see their potential or lost them to another school) and the kids that walked on (they recruited themselves) or the ones who changed their minds (the only way Monson deserves more credit than family pressures for Rickert and Humphries is if he was doing something against the rules) and our Gopher coach has a really pathetic record of signing Minnesota kids.  Not counting the walk-ons and the kids who signed with another school first before changing their minds, Monson has signed only FIVE Minnesota kids to scholarships from the last six Minnesota high school classes.  (Luke Anderson, Maurice Hargrow, Brandon Smith, Spencer Tollackson, and Miles Webb.)  This is out of at least 30 who could have been legit Big Ten players.  And Hargrow and Tollackson are the only ones who were among the top 25 Minnesota high school products from the period in question.

 

Signing local kids who can play makes the fans happy, builds tradition, establishes the easiest talent pipeline to maintain, and helps your team win.  Monson may just be carrying on the sorry tradition of every Gopher coach since Kundla started recruiting nationally, who have all seriously misjudged the state's talent pool on a depressingly regular basis.  But at least as a recruiter, the fact is that he has utterly failed at the first job of any college coach.      

 
 


From: mnbuckets@yahoogroups.com [mailto:mnbuckets@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of marc hugunin
Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 8:54 AM
To: mnbuckets@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [mnbuckets] Today's Hoops News

In last night's feature games:

• The Marquette men beat Valparaiso 69-54. In my preview I mentioned that Urule Igbavboa from  Tartan plays a back-up role for Valpo and that is what he did last night, playing 2 minutes and scoring 0 points while picking up 2 quick PFs.

I failed to mention previously that Marquette has an extremely Minnesota look and feel this year. None of the Minnesotans start, but 6-9 sophomore center Dan Fitzgerald from St. Thomas, who started his career at Tulane, played 17 minutes with 8 points and 3 boards. 6-8 sophomore forward Ryan Amoroso from Burnsville played 18 minutes and also had 8 points and 3 boards. 6-7 junior forward Jamil Lott played 14 minutes and scored 6 points (I don't recall exactly Lott's high school). 7-foot junior center Mike Kinsella from Rochester John Marshall and MCTC played 2 minutes.

• Among the women, #24 Purdue beat #10 Notre Dame 65-54. I hesitate to call this an upset--it's never an upset when the home team wins, as they say. Four players scored in double figures for the Boilermakers, now 5-2. Four starters are sophomores or juniors.

Tonight

In tonight's feature games, South Dakota State--4-2 in its second season playing in D-I and with 4 Minnesotans on the roster--is at Wisconsin. The Jackrabbits' leading scorer is junior swing man Megan Vogel from St. Peter, MN, and the leading rebounder is senior center Christina Gilbert from Stillwater. Wisconsin, which lost to Notre Dame at home by 5 in its last game, surprisingly has no Minnesotans on its roster this year.

Also the Iowa women are at Iowa State (3-1) tonight. The Cyclones have 4 Minnesotans on its roster including starting swing man Megan Ronhovde (9 points, 9 rebounds per game) from Barrett and West Central Area HS. The Hawkeyes (4-3) have just one Minnesotan on their roster, junior forward Krista VandeVenter of Osseo who scores 8 points and 8 boards a game. Super-quick 5-6 senior guard Crystal Smith is scoring 22 points per game for Iowa. I remember her giving the Gopher guards absolute fits with her quickness on defense over the years, but she is scoring now, too.

The South Dakota State men—just 1-6 in D-I and also with 4 Minnesotans on the roster—are also featured tonight at Nebraska. Sophomore guard Matt Cadwell from Cretin (I think?) is their leading scorer at 15 ppg on a respectable 49 percent shooting percentage.


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In last night's feature games: € The Marquette men beat Valparaiso 69-54. In my preview I mentioned that Urule Igbavboa from Tartan plays a back-up role for...
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The comments on Minnesota kids persuaded me to repackage an email that I sent elsewhere a few days ago. Dan Monson seems like a decent guy, but a lousy judge...
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I got to see some good players for teams playing against St. Louis Park this week. Bryce Webster had 30 points and (by my count) 18 rebounds Tuesday night for...
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Dec 9, 2005
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... mnbuckets@... om, "stewthornley" ... good players for teams playing against St. Louis ... points and (by my count) 18 rebounds Tuesday ... ...
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Dec 9, 2005
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Eric Carlson was Shakopee¹s second best players after Abu-Shamala as a sophomore last year. He has been a star in the youth league, he is the real deal. And...
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Dec 9, 2005
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It was a bad night for Big Ten women last night. Iowa lost at Iowa State 77-61, not a huge surprise other than the ease with which the Cyclones won. But get...
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Dec 9, 2005
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Meanwhile the early going in the MIAC produced a dramatic result as erstwhile power St. Thomas hammered more recent power Gustavus 87-51. At. St. Peter, no...
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BTW, I just saw that Cadwell was named the D-I newcomer of the week after scoring 46 points for SDSU in two games last week. Also I see that the St. Cloud...
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You seem to imply a criticism of Webster because Williams "blew by" him once. A reasonably quick 6'3 kid could blow by most of the best 6'9 250 pounders in...
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