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Hi everyone,
Mr McTavish, I would also like to reply to your post concerning women
in the martial arts.
You will find throughout the martial arts community that men are the
most prolific practitioners. It is generally more men who are exposed
to the benefits of this sort of training, through friends or as a
basic desire to fullfill the masculine role of protecting their "own".

This is not to say that women are not interested in martial arts,
quite the contrary in fact. both women and men operate identically on
a fundamental mechanical level, this means that whatever can be
achieved by a man can equally be achieved by a women. The instructor
must recognise the subtle variations between the physical abilities of
the sexes (i.e. men usually are bigger/stronger - not always the case)
and adjust the teaching accordingly.

Wing Chun is a good example - it was created by a women (allegedly),
the system illustrates the theory of using sound body mechanics and
softness as opposed to brute force to achieve its goals. Sometimes in
class I find that my male students will go easy on the females - this
only hinders the training, it does them no favours at all. In learning
how to deal with the bigger/stronger when they apply pressure, the
smaller/weaker learns very quickly how to apply correctly with good
structure - where as the stonger can mask error with strength. This
applies to both men and women. Both sexes can be succesfull in martial
art, it is individual determined rather than sex determined. If you
train hard, you will be good, if you don't, you won't - That simple.
As for women and fighting, well I personally think that fighting is
counter productive, if there is a valid reason, then so be it. There
will not always be times when the "heroic" man can protect the women -
like when they are alone and some sicko wants to take things that
cannot be replaced. I feel it to be my duty to ensure that any woman
that wants to learn from me will get the best of what i have to offer,
so they have a fighting chance. To turn them away because of gender is
akin to turning them away because of race. Wing Chun is an ever
evolving art mr Mctavish, perhaps this is something you should apply
to your predjudice?
Mark.
--- In lunkuenacademyofwingchun@yahoogroups.com, sifugen1
<no_reply@...> wrote:
>
> An interesting subject.
>
> I would say that if one were to put an average woman in a ring with
> an average man and they slugged it out toe-to-toe, in most cases the
> man would win.
>
> However, you are forgetting the element of surprise where the man
> does not expect the woman to fight back. A well placed strike to the
> eyes, throat or genitals (soft targets) is all that��s needed for a
> woman to initially gain the upper hand and either follow up or make
> her escape.
>
> From my experience the women I have taught have taken to Wing Chun
> very well and in some cases progress quicker in the early stages than
> their male counter parts.
>
> Unfortunately my friend we live in an age where chivalry is all but
> dead and women need to think very seriously about protecting
> themselves and their loved ones as a matter of course.
>
> As for the origins of Wing Chun, I have always been led to believe
> that it was initially designed by a Shaolin Nun call Ng Moi, who
> later taught her newly found skills to a merchant��s daughter called
> Yim Wing Chun.
>
> I tend to believe this tale because Wing Chun is a particularly
> cleaver and nasty style typical of a woman ��
>
> Just kidding ladies!!!
>
> --- In lunkuenacademyofwingchun@yahoogroups.com, "troy"
> <masterthunderfist@> wrote:
> >
> > hello again!
> > yes the question i want to ask is given that womwn are not to really
> > be placed in the situation where theyll have to be fighting, should
> > they learn martial arts - not me being womanist, i'm a gentleman
> and i
> > think it is duty to protect them instead of arming them, i have
> never
> > taught women, and was even told that the misconception that a woman
> > devised our cunning art is not true either by my teacher, he said it
> > was a tale to say if no strength dainty ladies can do this, you dont
> > use force. but what do i know im only listening to what people telll
> > me recite that, i also believe that sometimes i take too much in
> but i
> > actually like to learn as much as possible.
> > mr mactavish
> > --- In lunkuenacademyofwingchun@yahoogroups.com, sifugen1
> > <no_reply@> wrote:
> > >
> > > I have several women students in my class.
> > > What is your question?
> > >
> > > Steve.
> > >
> > > --- In lunkuenacademyofwingchun@yahoogroups.com, "troy"
> > > <masterthunderfist@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > hello every one,
> > > > glad to be here on this fine day, i would like to ask you all a
> > > > question about women and martial arts.
> > > > mr mactavish
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

Hi all,
My name is Mark, I am a Wing Chun Sifu. I own a school in sunny
Bournemouth called Faai Sau Wing Chun. I have trained in this amazing
art for over a decade and love it as much now as I did when I first
started.
I joined this forum because Sifu Steve was the man who first
introduced me to this fine art. I have subsequently studied with a few
other Sifu, including Dr Christian Pankhurst, Sam Kwok, Alan Gibson,
David Peterson and Alan Orr, all of whom have given me a wonderfull
insight to their methodology in this conceptually rich art.
I hope that over the coming months I am able to contribute in a
produtive manner to this forum.
Mark Smith, Sifu. Faai Sau Wing Chun.

An interesting subject.

I would say that if one were to put an average woman in a ring with
an average man and they slugged it out toe-to-toe, in most cases the
man would win.

However, you are forgetting the element of surprise where the man
does not expect the woman to fight back. A well placed strike to the
eyes, throat or genitals (soft targets) is all that¡¦s needed for a
woman to initially gain the upper hand and either follow up or make
her escape.

From my experience the women I have taught have taken to Wing Chun
very well and in some cases progress quicker in the early stages than
their male counter parts.

Unfortunately my friend we live in an age where chivalry is all but
dead and women need to think very seriously about protecting
themselves and their loved ones as a matter of course.

As for the origins of Wing Chun, I have always been led to believe
that it was initially designed by a Shaolin Nun call Ng Moi, who
later taught her newly found skills to a merchant¡¦s daughter called
Yim Wing Chun.

I tend to believe this tale because Wing Chun is a particularly
cleaver and nasty style typical of a woman ļ

Just kidding ladies!!!

--- In lunkuenacademyofwingchun@yahoogroups.com, "troy"
<masterthunderfist@...> wrote:
>
> hello again!
> yes the question i want to ask is given that womwn are not to really
> be placed in the situation where theyll have to be fighting, should
> they learn martial arts - not me being womanist, i'm a gentleman
and i
> think it is duty to protect them instead of arming them, i have
never
> taught women, and was even told that the misconception that a woman
> devised our cunning art is not true either by my teacher, he said it
> was a tale to say if no strength dainty ladies can do this, you dont
> use force. but what do i know im only listening to what people telll
> me recite that, i also believe that sometimes i take too much in
but i
> actually like to learn as much as possible.
> mr mactavish
> --- In lunkuenacademyofwingchun@yahoogroups.com, sifugen1
> <no_reply@> wrote:
> >
> > I have several women students in my class.
> > What is your question?
> >
> > Steve.
> >
> > --- In lunkuenacademyofwingchun@yahoogroups.com, "troy"
> > <masterthunderfist@> wrote:
> > >
> > > hello every one,
> > > glad to be here on this fine day, i would like to ask you all a
> > > question about women and martial arts.
> > > mr mactavish
> > >
> >
>

hello again!
yes the question i want to ask is given that womwn are not to really
be placed in the situation where theyll have to be fighting, should
they learn martial arts - not me being womanist, i'm a gentleman and i
think it is duty to protect them instead of arming them, i have never
taught women, and was even told that the misconception that a woman
devised our cunning art is not true either by my teacher, he said it
was a tale to say if no strength dainty ladies can do this, you dont
use force. but what do i know im only listening to what people telll
me recite that, i also believe that sometimes i take too much in but i
actually like to learn as much as possible.
mr mactavish
--- In lunkuenacademyofwingchun@yahoogroups.com, sifugen1
<no_reply@...> wrote:
>
> I have several women students in my class.
> What is your question?
>
> Steve.
>
> --- In lunkuenacademyofwingchun@yahoogroups.com, "troy"
> <masterthunderfist@> wrote:
> >
> > hello every one,
> > glad to be here on this fine day, i would like to ask you all a
> > question about women and martial arts.
> > mr mactavish
> >
>

Hello to you too,

Thankfully I am in fine health.

My lineage is Yip Man Wing Chun, although we entertain concepts from
other paths we basically stick to what we know.

I and some of my students visited Hong Kong a few months ago and took
part in the 2nd World conference. It was an interesting time and we
made many friends. There are some pictures on our web site if you
care to view it www.lunkuenacademy.com and also some video clips but
still more to add.

Any time you want to chat please feel free, I shall endevour to visit
this site more often as I have neglected it for far to long.

Best Regards,

Steve.


--- In lunkuenacademyofwingchun@yahoogroups.com, "troy"
<masterthunderfist@...> wrote:
>
> hello sir,
> how are you? iam not too bad if you consider all of my ailments, i
> have one or t2, my wife was always saying i was malingering, but
hell,
> i fought in ww2 and never got fouled up on that charge.
> anyway i recently got to get a personal computer, never eben wanted
> one of the darn things and most certainly never knew what in gods
name
> thewide wold web was, in fact,istill don't think im too sure. but my
> grandson said his son was very impressed with it all and that i
would
> be able to talk to nice eople on the thing and talk about my martial
> art wing tsun, so here i am, i'm not sure what to ask, i know quite
a
> bit about it as i've been doing for decades, my teacher was a very
> secretive china man, i liked him but he spent a lot of time making
me
> wish i had never pestered himfor teaching and all, which family wing
> tsun do you all practice? do you likr it and doesit give you power?
i
> have to say, i cant remenber a time when i was without martial art,
> but even nowe, i strugglel sometimes with movement and am a little
> arthritic, but i still feel verty able bodyed.
> mr mactavish
> --- In lunkuenacademyofwingchun@yahoogroups.com, sifugen1
> <no_reply@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Guys,
> >
> > Welcome to my Yahoo Site.
> >
> > Hope you enjoy the place and maybe open up some interesting
> > conversations.
> >
> > If you fancy a browse check out my main site.
> >
> > www.lunkuenacademy.com
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Steve.
> >
> >
> > --- In lunkuenacademyofwingchun@yahoogroups.com, "one_inch_gary"
> > <one_inch_gary@> wrote:
> > >
> > > sorry sy-fu,
> > >
> > >
> > > wont happen again,
> > >
> > > when will we train again, it's been hard to get hold of you.
> > > glad you have the wide wold web now it's better like this!
> > >
> > > G
> > >
> > > --- In
lunkuenacademyofwingchun@yahoogroups.com, "masterthunderfist"
> > > <masterthunderfist@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > gary, how many times must i tell you, spell it like it
sounds -
> > sy-fu
> > > > mr mactvish
> > > > --- In
lunkuenacademyofwingchun@yahoogroups.com, "one_inch_gary"
> > > > <one_inch_gary@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > shifu,
> > > > >
> > > > > good to have you on here
> > > > >
> > > > > G
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In
> > lunkuenacademyofwingchun@yahoogroups.com, "masterthunderfist"
> > > > > <masterthunderfist@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > hello all,
> > > > > > i am called troy, or to my close friends, mr mactavish -
i'm
> > > quite old
> > > > > > you see - one of the oldest people in my state of
arizona, i
> > started
> > > > > > wing tsun a long long time ago, it wasn't called wing
tsun
> > then, it
> > > > > > was called wing chun, although people used to rib the
chinese
> > > man who
> > > > > > started to teach me, he calledit mo shirk or
somethinglike
> > that, my
> > > > > > first teacher was an imigrant from fatshan, he was a
mighty
> > man,
> > > only
> > > > > > small but could happily beat anyone in our bar brawls -
he
> > liked his
> > > > > > drink you see, i guess it was his substitute for opium or
> > > whatever the
> > > > > > hell they placed in their hokey water pipes. any way i
> > digress,
> > > i have
> > > > > > a nasty habit for it always going on about the irelevent,
> > i've only
> > > > > > just started yo use the internet you see, it is quite
good, my
> > > > > > grandsonintroduced me to it abou a week a go and despite
the
> > > abundance
> > > > > > of pornography on the world wide web there is some good
sites
> > on
> > > > > > cookery and the such like, anyway there i go again,
> > > > > > lets talk martial arts
> > > > > > what type of martial arts do you all practice?
> > > > > > mr mactavish
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

I have several women students in my class.
What is your question?

Steve.

--- In lunkuenacademyofwingchun@yahoogroups.com, "troy"
<masterthunderfist@...> wrote:
>
> hello every one,
> glad to be here on this fine day, i would like to ask you all a
> question about women and martial arts.
> mr mactavish
>

hello sir,
how are you? iam not too bad if you consider all of my ailments, i
have one or t2, my wife was always saying i was malingering, but hell,
i fought in ww2 and never got fouled up on that charge.
anyway i recently got to get a personal computer, never eben wanted
one of the darn things and most certainly never knew what in gods name
thewide wold web was, in fact,istill don't think im too sure. but my
grandson said his son was very impressed with it all and that i would
be able to talk to nice eople on the thing and talk about my martial
art wing tsun, so here i am, i'm not sure what to ask, i know quite a
bit about it as i've been doing for decades, my teacher was a very
secretive china man, i liked him but he spent a lot of time making me
wish i had never pestered himfor teaching and all, which family wing
tsun do you all practice? do you likr it and doesit give you power? i
have to say, i cant remenber a time when i was without martial art,
but even nowe, i strugglel sometimes with movement and am a little
arthritic, but i still feel verty able bodyed.
mr mactavish
--- In lunkuenacademyofwingchun@yahoogroups.com, sifugen1
<no_reply@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Guys,
>
> Welcome to my Yahoo Site.
>
> Hope you enjoy the place and maybe open up some interesting
> conversations.
>
> If you fancy a browse check out my main site.
>
> www.lunkuenacademy.com
>
> Cheers,
>
> Steve.
>
>
> --- In lunkuenacademyofwingchun@yahoogroups.com, "one_inch_gary"
> <one_inch_gary@> wrote:
> >
> > sorry sy-fu,
> >
> >
> > wont happen again,
> >
> > when will we train again, it's been hard to get hold of you.
> > glad you have the wide wold web now it's better like this!
> >
> > G
> >
> > --- In lunkuenacademyofwingchun@yahoogroups.com, "masterthunderfist"
> > <masterthunderfist@> wrote:
> > >
> > > gary, how many times must i tell you, spell it like it sounds -
> sy-fu
> > > mr mactvish
> > > --- In lunkuenacademyofwingchun@yahoogroups.com, "one_inch_gary"
> > > <one_inch_gary@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > shifu,
> > > >
> > > > good to have you on here
> > > >
> > > > G
> > > >
> > > > --- In
> lunkuenacademyofwingchun@yahoogroups.com, "masterthunderfist"
> > > > <masterthunderfist@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > hello all,
> > > > > i am called troy, or to my close friends, mr mactavish - i'm
> > quite old
> > > > > you see - one of the oldest people in my state of arizona, i
> started
> > > > > wing tsun a long long time ago, it wasn't called wing tsun
> then, it
> > > > > was called wing chun, although people used to rib the chinese
> > man who
> > > > > started to teach me, he calledit mo shirk or somethinglike
> that, my
> > > > > first teacher was an imigrant from fatshan, he was a mighty
> man,
> > only
> > > > > small but could happily beat anyone in our bar brawls - he
> liked his
> > > > > drink you see, i guess it was his substitute for opium or
> > whatever the
> > > > > hell they placed in their hokey water pipes. any way i
> digress,
> > i have
> > > > > a nasty habit for it always going on about the irelevent,
> i've only
> > > > > just started yo use the internet you see, it is quite good, my
> > > > > grandsonintroduced me to it abou a week a go and despite the
> > abundance
> > > > > of pornography on the world wide web there is some good sites
> on
> > > > > cookery and the such like, anyway there i go again,
> > > > > lets talk martial arts
> > > > > what type of martial arts do you all practice?
> > > > > mr mactavish
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

hello every one,
glad to be here on this fine day, i would like to ask you all a
question about women and martial arts.
mr mactavish

Hi Guys,

Welcome to my Yahoo Site.

Hope you enjoy the place and maybe open up some interesting
conversations.

If you fancy a browse check out my main site.

www.lunkuenacademy.com

Cheers,

Steve.


--- In lunkuenacademyofwingchun@yahoogroups.com, "one_inch_gary"
<one_inch_gary@...> wrote:
>
> sorry sy-fu,
>
>
> wont happen again,
>
> when will we train again, it's been hard to get hold of you.
> glad you have the wide wold web now it's better like this!
>
> G
>
> --- In lunkuenacademyofwingchun@yahoogroups.com, "masterthunderfist"
> <masterthunderfist@> wrote:
> >
> > gary, how many times must i tell you, spell it like it sounds -
sy-fu
> > mr mactvish
> > --- In lunkuenacademyofwingchun@yahoogroups.com, "one_inch_gary"
> > <one_inch_gary@> wrote:
> > >
> > > shifu,
> > >
> > > good to have you on here
> > >
> > > G
> > >
> > > --- In
lunkuenacademyofwingchun@yahoogroups.com, "masterthunderfist"
> > > <masterthunderfist@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > hello all,
> > > > i am called troy, or to my close friends, mr mactavish - i'm
> quite old
> > > > you see - one of the oldest people in my state of arizona, i
started
> > > > wing tsun a long long time ago, it wasn't called wing tsun
then, it
> > > > was called wing chun, although people used to rib the chinese
> man who
> > > > started to teach me, he calledit mo shirk or somethinglike
that, my
> > > > first teacher was an imigrant from fatshan, he was a mighty
man,
> only
> > > > small but could happily beat anyone in our bar brawls - he
liked his
> > > > drink you see, i guess it was his substitute for opium or
> whatever the
> > > > hell they placed in their hokey water pipes. any way i
digress,
> i have
> > > > a nasty habit for it always going on about the irelevent,
i've only
> > > > just started yo use the internet you see, it is quite good, my
> > > > grandsonintroduced me to it abou a week a go and despite the
> abundance
> > > > of pornography on the world wide web there is some good sites
on
> > > > cookery and the such like, anyway there i go again,
> > > > lets talk martial arts
> > > > what type of martial arts do you all practice?
> > > > mr mactavish
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

sorry sy-fu,


wont happen again,

when will we train again, it's been hard to get hold of you.
glad you have the wide wold web now it's better like this!

G

--- In lunkuenacademyofwingchun@yahoogroups.com, "masterthunderfist"
<masterthunderfist@...> wrote:
>
> gary, how many times must i tell you, spell it like it sounds - sy-fu
> mr mactvish
> --- In lunkuenacademyofwingchun@yahoogroups.com, "one_inch_gary"
> <one_inch_gary@> wrote:
> >
> > shifu,
> >
> > good to have you on here
> >
> > G
> >
> > --- In lunkuenacademyofwingchun@yahoogroups.com, "masterthunderfist"
> > <masterthunderfist@> wrote:
> > >
> > > hello all,
> > > i am called troy, or to my close friends, mr mactavish - i'm
quite old
> > > you see - one of the oldest people in my state of arizona, i started
> > > wing tsun a long long time ago, it wasn't called wing tsun then, it
> > > was called wing chun, although people used to rib the chinese
man who
> > > started to teach me, he calledit mo shirk or somethinglike that, my
> > > first teacher was an imigrant from fatshan, he was a mighty man,
only
> > > small but could happily beat anyone in our bar brawls - he liked his
> > > drink you see, i guess it was his substitute for opium or
whatever the
> > > hell they placed in their hokey water pipes. any way i digress,
i have
> > > a nasty habit for it always going on about the irelevent, i've only
> > > just started yo use the internet you see, it is quite good, my
> > > grandsonintroduced me to it abou a week a go and despite the
abundance
> > > of pornography on the world wide web there is some good sites on
> > > cookery and the such like, anyway there i go again,
> > > lets talk martial arts
> > > what type of martial arts do you all practice?
> > > mr mactavish
> > >
> >
>

yes gary a couple of times it is gretting easier
-- In lunkuenacademyofwingchun@yahoogroups.com, "one_inch_gary"
<one_inch_gary@...> wrote:
>
> Shifu,
>
> yes it's all me.
>
>
> yeah i posted a few times, you?
>
>
> G
>
>
> --- In lunkuenacademyofwingchun@yahoogroups.com, "masterthunderfist"
> <masterthunderfist@> wrote:
> >
> > hello gary,
> > it is you isn't it gary, thank you for telling me about this place did
> > you post yet?
> > i can't seem to work this stuff too well
> > mr mactavish
> > --- In lunkuenacademyofwingchun@yahoogroups.com, "one_inch_gary"
> > <one_inch_gary@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > it's me again,
> > >
> > >
> > > i just want to say, Wow what a nice site you have been looking bit
> more.
> > >
> > > liked the wood break, did that hurt much, looks painful
> > >
> > > i've invited my instructor to this list as well,
> > >
> > > what do you guys talk about then?
> > >
> > > G
> > >
> >
>

Shifu,

yes it's all me.


yeah i posted a few times, you?


G


--- In lunkuenacademyofwingchun@yahoogroups.com, "masterthunderfist"
<masterthunderfist@...> wrote:
>
> hello gary,
> it is you isn't it gary, thank you for telling me about this place did
> you post yet?
> i can't seem to work this stuff too well
> mr mactavish
> --- In lunkuenacademyofwingchun@yahoogroups.com, "one_inch_gary"
> <one_inch_gary@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > it's me again,
> >
> >
> > i just want to say, Wow what a nice site you have been looking bit
more.
> >
> > liked the wood break, did that hurt much, looks painful
> >
> > i've invited my instructor to this list as well,
> >
> > what do you guys talk about then?
> >
> > G
> >
>

gary, how many times must i tell you, spell it like it sounds - sy-fu
mr mactvish
--- In lunkuenacademyofwingchun@yahoogroups.com, "one_inch_gary"
<one_inch_gary@...> wrote:
>
> shifu,
>
> good to have you on here
>
> G
>
> --- In lunkuenacademyofwingchun@yahoogroups.com, "masterthunderfist"
> <masterthunderfist@> wrote:
> >
> > hello all,
> > i am called troy, or to my close friends, mr mactavish - i'm quite old
> > you see - one of the oldest people in my state of arizona, i started
> > wing tsun a long long time ago, it wasn't called wing tsun then, it
> > was called wing chun, although people used to rib the chinese man who
> > started to teach me, he calledit mo shirk or somethinglike that, my
> > first teacher was an imigrant from fatshan, he was a mighty man, only
> > small but could happily beat anyone in our bar brawls - he liked his
> > drink you see, i guess it was his substitute for opium or whatever the
> > hell they placed in their hokey water pipes. any way i digress, i have
> > a nasty habit for it always going on about the irelevent, i've only
> > just started yo use the internet you see, it is quite good, my
> > grandsonintroduced me to it abou a week a go and despite the abundance
> > of pornography on the world wide web there is some good sites on
> > cookery and the such like, anyway there i go again,
> > lets talk martial arts
> > what type of martial arts do you all practice?
> > mr mactavish
> >
>

hello gary,
it is you isn't it gary, thank you for telling me about this place did
you post yet?
i can't seem to work this stuff too well
mr mactavish
--- In lunkuenacademyofwingchun@yahoogroups.com, "one_inch_gary"
<one_inch_gary@...> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> it's me again,
>
>
> i just want to say, Wow what a nice site you have been looking bit more.
>
> liked the wood break, did that hurt much, looks painful
>
> i've invited my instructor to this list as well,
>
> what do you guys talk about then?
>
> G
>

shifu,

good to have you on here

G

--- In lunkuenacademyofwingchun@yahoogroups.com, "masterthunderfist"
<masterthunderfist@...> wrote:
>
> hello all,
> i am called troy, or to my close friends, mr mactavish - i'm quite old
> you see - one of the oldest people in my state of arizona, i started
> wing tsun a long long time ago, it wasn't called wing tsun then, it
> was called wing chun, although people used to rib the chinese man who
> started to teach me, he calledit mo shirk or somethinglike that, my
> first teacher was an imigrant from fatshan, he was a mighty man, only
> small but could happily beat anyone in our bar brawls - he liked his
> drink you see, i guess it was his substitute for opium or whatever the
> hell they placed in their hokey water pipes. any way i digress, i have
> a nasty habit for it always going on about the irelevent, i've only
> just started yo use the internet you see, it is quite good, my
> grandsonintroduced me to it abou a week a go and despite the abundance
> of pornography on the world wide web there is some good sites on
> cookery and the such like, anyway there i go again,
> lets talk martial arts
> what type of martial arts do you all practice?
> mr mactavish
>

hello all,
i am called troy, or to my close friends, mr mactavish - i'm quite old
you see - one of the oldest people in my state of arizona, i started
wing tsun a long long time ago, it wasn't called wing tsun then, it
was called wing chun, although people used to rib the chinese man who
started to teach me, he calledit mo shirk or somethinglike that, my
first teacher was an imigrant from fatshan, he was a mighty man, only
small but could happily beat anyone in our bar brawls - he liked his
drink you see, i guess it was his substitute for opium or whatever the
hell they placed in their hokey water pipes. any way i digress, i have
a nasty habit for it always going on about the irelevent, i've only
just started yo use the internet you see, it is quite good, my
grandsonintroduced me to it abou a week a go and despite the abundance
of pornography on the world wide web there is some good sites on
cookery and the such like, anyway there i go again,
lets talk martial arts
what type of martial arts do you all practice?
mr mactavish

Hi,

it's me again,


i just want to say, Wow what a nice site you have been looking bit more.

liked the wood break, did that hurt much, looks painful

i've invited my instructor to this list as well,

what do you guys talk about then?

G

HI my name is gary,

i train wing Tsun in mesa,

our style is great.

can't wait to start talking about wing Tsun.


G

I have not been monitoring this site for a while due to work on my
main web site www.lunkuenacademy.com

Please note, any messages posted on this site other which are not
relevant will be deleted.

Steve Lyons.

Hi All,

Well its been some time since I've posted anything on this group.
Sorry about that but I've been concentrating more on the web site

www.lunkuenacademy.com

Anyway, I and some of my students are off to the World Conference
this November in Hong Kong so I should have loads of pictures and
stories to tell when we get back.

Also I might be putting an article together for combat magazine kind
of like a diary of the trip with some photo's to boot.

If your going this year or have been before drop me a line.

Maybe we can hook up there and have a chat!

Regards,

Steve.

Dear all wing chun practitioners,
I am a wing chun practitioner from Hong Kong and was enthusiastic in
all styles of wing chun especially the wong shun leung¡¦s. I have
collected some rare videos of wong shun leung (the king of talking
hands, Bruce lee¡¦s si hing who passed away in 1997) that were never
seen before. Now, I would now like to share them out.
1. Wong shun leung seminars of all the 3 forms, and dummy
(with detailed explanation of each technique)
2. wong shun leung interview (with explanation of some chi sao
techniques)
3. Wong shun leung bejing seminar in 96 etc¡K¡K¡K¡K¡K¡K.
All are personal records / in-house productions. They were for inner
door / private students previously. Very valuable.
Interested parties please send email to:
smfong_2000@...
and please indicate your budget.
Yours sincerely,
smfong

In the film "The Silent Flute" there was a great quote.

"You can't step on the same piece of water twice"

Well you can if it's frozen.

Chi Sao is just the same, like water, or at least it should be.
Other than respecting your partner, the important rule is not to be
predictable. Chi Sao if played correctly will be different each time
you play it. Hard thing is to get out of the habit of working set
patterns, it should flow free like a conversation.

Otherwise you become like ice.

Gosh how profound!


--- In lunkuenacademyofwingchun@yahoogroups.com, "kermit_blueme"
<kermit_blueme@y...> wrote:
> Just to say thank you for the response.  Your thoughts do make alot
> of sense.  In my wing chun training, chi sau has been a focal point
> that binds the system together, supposedly giving fluidity to the
> practitioner.
> However, in my past experiences, chi sau with other practitioners
has
> been like a grudge match, with other peoples ego's getting in the
way
> of developement.  Leading to a rigid exchange of 'super stiff' arms
> trying to wade through and score 'points'.
> My views on chi sau are that two people should mutually try and
learn
> something everytime they roll.  I see chi sau as the best way to
> understand wing chun.  To see what techniques will flow from one to
> another under different variables.  What do I use when I'm
> pulled/pushed for example.  Trying a technique out, seeing whether
it
> does the required job.  Looking at the workings of the technique to
> see why it was or was not successful, and looking for ways to
> simplify the technique if possible, with both practitioners
> exchanging ideas and experimenting together.  When both parties
have
> a deeper understanding of the techniques they are using and how
they
> interact with timing and positioning, does this lead to fluidity?
Is
> this how chi sau should be performed? Or is there no set way?

Just to say thank you for the response.  Your thoughts do make alot
of sense.  In my wing chun training, chi sau has been a focal point
that binds the system together, supposedly giving fluidity to the
practitioner.
However, in my past experiences, chi sau with other practitioners has
been like a grudge match, with other peoples ego's getting in the way
of developement.  Leading to a rigid exchange of 'super stiff' arms
trying to wade through and score 'points'.
My views on chi sau are that two people should mutually try and learn
something everytime they roll.  I see chi sau as the best way to
understand wing chun.  To see what techniques will flow from one to
another under different variables.  What do I use when I'm
pulled/pushed for example.  Trying a technique out, seeing whether it
does the required job.  Looking at the workings of the technique to
see why it was or was not successful, and looking for ways to
simplify the technique if possible, with both practitioners
exchanging ideas and experimenting together.  When both parties have
a deeper understanding of the techniques they are using and how they
interact with timing and positioning, does this lead to fluidity?  Is
this how chi sau should be performed? Or is there no set way?

--- In lunkuenacademyofwingchun@yahoogroups.com, "kermit_blueme"
<kermit_blueme@y...> wrote:
> After studying several different martial art styles for some years,
I
> came across wing chun.  Having trained in this art for some time
now,
> I am of the opinion that this art, along with only a handful of
> others is built for pure efficiency in fighting.  However, unlike
the
> other arts of interest I have encountered, wing chun is the only
art
> that is so dependent on training with others to perform many of the
> various techniques included within the style.  Great, instead
> of 'pretending' to apply my techniques in shadow sparring and
katas,
> I actually get to see and feel how my techniques would work on
Hi,

Well you're not wrong but it's not as simple as that.

Playing Chi Sao with more advanced students of Wing Chun does not
mean you will necessarily advance any quicker.

This depends on the senior student and how he/she plays Chi Sao.

Example being, if we were to Chi Sao and I just kept peppering you
with strikes and made it difficult for you, then you would only learn
to flinch. If however I were to Chi Sao at your level and throw in a
few techniques and allowed you to train against them, then your
skills would advance given time.

Wing Chun is as much a frame of mind as it is a martial art.

If you train with a partner of a similar level you can still advance
if you keep an open mind, be prepared to experiment and make mistakes.

Regards,

Steve

www.lunkuenacademy.com



> another person, on a constant basis.  The best example of this is
> wing chun's chi-sau exercises.  To me this is an invaluable
training
> system.  My problem is this, to truelly progress in wing chun, you
> must be allowed to progress.  The aim being, to become fluent in
wing
> chun.  An obtainable goal only with the right mind set, many years
> dedicated training, and lots and lots of chi sau.  If one does not
> regularly chi sau with an advanced practitioner of this art, does
> his/her ability stay at an idle level, not dropping, but not at the
> same time really improving?  Is a student's progression within this
> style governed by his/herself or by the people they are training
> with?  My ideas and philosophies on wing chun, I need to explore
and
> develope for myself.  The trouble with this is that I need someone
to
> experiment my ideas and concepts with.  If I cannot find somoene of
> an advanced level to do this with, will my wing chun ever improve,
or
> will my ability be governed by others?

After studying several different martial art styles for some years, I
came across wing chun.  Having trained in this art for some time now,
I am of the opinion that this art, along with only a handful of
others is built for pure efficiency in fighting.  However, unlike the
other arts of interest I have encountered, wing chun is the only art
that is so dependent on training with others to perform many of the
various techniques included within the style.  Great, instead
of 'pretending' to apply my techniques in shadow sparring and katas,
I actually get to see and feel how my techniques would work on
another person, on a constant basis.  The best example of this is
wing chun's chi-sau exercises.  To me this is an invaluable training
system.  My problem is this, to truelly progress in wing chun, you
must be allowed to progress.  The aim being, to become fluent in wing
chun.  An obtainable goal only with the right mind set, many years
dedicated training, and lots and lots of chi sau.  If one does not
regularly chi sau with an advanced practitioner of this art, does
his/her ability stay at an idle level, not dropping, but not at the
same time really improving?  Is a student's progression within this
style governed by his/herself or by the people they are training
with?  My ideas and philosophies on wing chun, I need to explore and
develope for myself.  The trouble with this is that I need someone to
experiment my ideas and concepts with.  If I cannot find somoene of
an advanced level to do this with, will my wing chun ever improve, or
will my ability be governed by others?

Greetings All,

Please be sure to check put our web site

www.lunkuenacademy.com

If you have any interesting articles you would like to submit, please
feel free to email me at

srplyons@...

Cheers,

Steve.

Matt,

No offence taken, i'ts nice to see a positive attitude.

Good luck on the day,

Steve.

--- In lunkuenacademyofwingchun@yahoogroups.com, Matthew McKenzie
<bassrunna@y...> wrote:
> Steve,
>
> I spoke to Paul today at training and he said the
> exact thing :) i may have put my foot in it a bit! it
> wasn't intended :)
>
> See you on the 15th
>
> Matt
>
>
>
>
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Steve,

I spoke to Paul today at training and he said the
exact thing :) i may have put my foot in it a bit! it
wasn't intended :)

See you on the 15th

Matt




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Matt,

I will have the pleasure of grading you on the 15th.

We shall see, we shall see :-)

Regards,

Steve.

--- In lunkuenacademyofwingchun@yahoogroups.com, bassrunna@y... wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I am new to Wing Chun, having started training about 6 months ago.
> I have learnt a lot so far and at the moment i am preparing myself
> for Red 1 grading. I say i have learnt a lot, i am sure it is
> nothing compared to what i will be learning in the future!
>
> I have noticed with Wing Chun, as i'm sure you all have, is that
> size and age doesn't matter. After traning one evening i was
> practicing the Red 1 Syllabus and came across the Tan Sao. Now,
that
> is not one of my most favourite moves and i have been having a lot
> of trouble getting it right - i guess that's because i'm trying too
> hard, getting uptight and frustrate, and not relaxing. My father
> walked by and i asked him if i could just try it on him. After a
few
> failed attempts i realised that once i had relaxed and not thought
> about what i was doing so much as feeling what i was doing did the
> Tan Sao start to work effectively to the point where i deflected my
> 14 stone father's punch - and he wasn't throwing them in softly!!!
>
> I am learning more and more with each time i train, but even more
> when i let it become natural to the way i react to things; without
> thinking, but doing.
>
> I'll let you know who i get on with my grading - i'm sure i'll
> pass :)
>
> Matt