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Re: Chum Kiu Love it or Hate it

I suppose that if you assume that to be
'non-abstract' is to have every move directly related to a
physical action? Or to 'see' an attack/response
relationship in every move?<br><br>From the dictionary.com
site:<br><br>1.Considered apart from concrete existence: an abstract
concept. <br>2.Not applied or practical; theoretical: See
Synonyms at theoretical. <br>3.Difficult to understand;
abstruse: abstract philosophical problems. <br>4.Thought of
or stated without reference to a specific instance:
abstract words like truth and justice. <br>5.Impersonal,
as in attitude or views. <br>6.Having an
intellectual and affective artistic content that depends
solely on intrinsic form rather than on narrative
content or pictorial representation: abstract painting
and sculpture. <br><br>So which is it?<br><br>1. does
WC exist above and beyond us regardless of us? I
suppose...<br>2. Oh, no, hopefully not!<br>3. Most likely, to
those in that circumstance. A mystery is a mystery only
to those who don't know it.<br>4. are the techniques
all-inclusive? without point of reference?<br>5. is WC perfect,
and we imperfectly attempting to play it?<br>6. is
the 'form' of WC the be-all and end-all of it's
existence?<br><br>Just some of my humble thoughts on this
matter.<br><br>After all, despite the rambling philosophical attempts
at rendering the fighter uselessly mired in
'thinking' - - a punch really is nothing more than a
punch.<br><br>Rick




Thu Jan 18, 2001 7:36 pm

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Welcome all new members, please feel free to air your views in this club. Maybe we can all learn something from the threads that may arise from ...
sifugen1
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Jan 18, 2001
6:21 pm

I suppose that if you assume that to be 'non-abstract' is to have every move directly related to a physical action? Or to 'see' an attack/response relationship...
crmiske99
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Jan 18, 2001
7:36 pm

"a punch really is nothing more than a punch."<br><br>I used to say that to, but when I think about it a Wing Chun Punch is, in my mind, so much more powerful ...
sifugen1
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Jan 18, 2001
11:46 pm

If you have not done so by now check out the photo section. There are some dummy plans for those who feel like building something....
sifugen1
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Jan 18, 2001
11:51 pm

A punch really is just a punch - it's an interpretation of a Zen Koan - a witty statement that, in essence, proves itself, so is like a logical ...
crmiske99
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Jan 19, 2001
2:18 am

Ok, I see your point, but then again things have a way of going round in circles.<br><br>First, as you say it is difficult. Then you build on it, and then you...
sifugen1
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Jan 20, 2001
1:18 am

Thank you for the invite. I thought this might be an interesting topic.<br><br>Are the forms, or any one form, or any part of any of the forms - ChiGung/QiGong...
crmiske99
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Jan 20, 2001
5:16 am

Rick,<br><br>Most of my internal energy stems from training Sil Nim Tao very slowly but with dynamic tension in part 1 of the form. Arguably Chum Kiu and Bil ...
sifugen1
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Jan 21, 2001
1:58 pm

We train Sil Nim Toa while in the front kick position. This is not trained initially but more so when the student has got to grips with the form.<br><br>Does...
sifugen1
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Jan 21, 2001
2:00 pm

Rick,<br>I think that the Siu Nim Tao form is a king of chi kung. The first section is played slowly and serves to build chi, while the second and third ...
docnature
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Jan 21, 2001
3:48 pm

Steve,<br>In Moy Yat's family we also train siu nim tao in this fashion. We probably start our students on it earlier, however. We ususally give it to the...
docnature
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Jan 21, 2001
3:52 pm

Alan,<br><br>The Forearms also benefit from Heung Sao under tension. This benefits by making the sinews stronger and building longer muscle rather than bulky ...
sifugen1
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Jan 21, 2001
4:25 pm

Alan,<br><br>Yes this is very good. We usually introduce single leg Sil Nim Toa in the gradings before the student is ready to start training Chum Kiu,...
sifugen1
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Jan 21, 2001
4:29 pm

That's interesting - there is a wide variety of ways of doing that early section of first-form.<br><br>I've seen schools teach it very soft, slow and light, ...
crmiske99
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Jan 22, 2001
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Rick,<br><br>We do both hard and soft.<br><br>Part 1 uses hard/tension in forwarding the Tan and Fook Sao into the center line and retracting the Wu/Jum. When...
sifugen1
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Jan 22, 2001
10:03 pm

Yes, that's pretty much the way I learned it.<br><br>I'm originally in the Chris Chan (Chan Shing) lineage. We were taught that the first part was slow and ...
crmiske99
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Jan 23, 2001
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IMHO I think that wing chun is the best martial art. At the moment I am studying WU SHU which is a form of kick boxing it is very good but I would like to...
DDF_652
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Jan 23, 2001
1:20 pm

I think that he is making too much money out of the art he should put something back as he has took alot out.<br><br>from d...
DDF_652
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Jan 23, 2001
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I cant help but agree with you on that one.<br><br>I have studied the martial arts since the mid 70's and done various styles but stuck wit Wing Chun because...
sifugen1
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Jan 23, 2001
6:18 pm

This is a tricky one. My policy is to stay out of the politics that surround the martial arts.<br><br>Those who teach it as a sole source of income believe ...
sifugen1
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Jan 23, 2001
6:24 pm

One of the reasons I have enjoyed this site since joining, is the commitment to keeping politics out of the mix. I am very happy with my style of Wing Chun,...
jfrahm1987
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Jan 23, 2001
6:52 pm

I must agree with joe. I think we can all learn a lot from each other if we can see past lineages and just focus on the Ving Tsun. <br><br>Alan...
docnature
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Jan 23, 2001
7:37 pm

I believe that Dan Inosanto continued to train under Moy Yat of NY, USA a while after Bruce Lee died - to understand the intention of the art.<br><br>For the...
crmiske99
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Jan 23, 2001
9:23 pm

Bravo!...
sifugen1
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Jan 23, 2001
9:40 pm

Ok, I'm clear on that now.<br><br>I knew of the JKD but was unsure about the Wing Chun.<br><br>Thanks,<br><br>Steve....
sifugen1
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Jan 23, 2001
9:42 pm

I would welcome any recommendations for purchasing a Wooden Dummy. Naturally, I'm looking for the most reasonable(cheap) whithout substituing quality. I've...
act7455
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Jan 26, 2001
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If you're anywhere in the new york area you might try Bot Li Tai. Its a store in chinatown that supplys all things ving tsun. I would try there. You ma be able...
docnature
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Jan 26, 2001
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Do anyone has experience teaching bilingual classes? I am interesting in teaching Spanish- English classes, is anyone doing it already?<br>Alvaro...
wttracyca
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Jan 26, 2001
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Hi,<br><br>For me, there is no substitute for a real wooden dummy. Often made from chinese oak they will last a lifetime.<br><br>However, some people get ...
sifugen1
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Jan 26, 2001
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We train Wing Chun while wearing trainers.<br><br>Does anyone train in bare feet?<br><br>Just curious,<br><br>Steve....
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